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Question and break free. Four of warren jeffs children have recently left the flds and are making shocking allegations. Tonight, two of them are telling their story on camera for the very first time. Revealing the kind of man their father was before he became the the profit. I want people to know the truth. I wish we would have opened up about it a long time ago. When a man like that becomes prophet, what happens . Profit, what happened . He can hide his sins behind the title of profits. Utah is so majestically beautiful its often referred to as gods country where mormons finally settled and ultimately divided over their stance on plural marriage where the church rejected the belief, fundamentalist mormons embraced it. But beyond polygamy, theres another tenant that distinguishes the fundamental later day states. Guided by the book of mormon, the flds says one living man on earth has the power to relay the word of god to the people and in 2002 all that power was handed to warren jeffs. As prophet, war ran ruled with an iron fist. He used the banner of religion to prevent underaged marriages and to cover up horrific acts, including the violation of his own child wooifs. In 2011, he was convicted on two counts of Sexual Assault of a minor and given a life sentence. These are the crimes they know about. But theres a new story that reveals much more about warren jeffs and the religion he ravaged. More and more people are starting to leave the flds and two of them are here in Salt Lake City. And they want the world and people back in their community to know something about their father. In the flds, so many people say you have the neatest father in the world. And now i think if they only knew. To the flds, shes an aposttate, a traitor to her faith and to her father. For most of her life, becky has avoided the outside world but today is finding a place in it and has invited me into her home. How are you . Good to see you. At 31 years old, becky is starting over. You completely walked away from the flds. We were always told an evil spirit comes over them and they just do bad, bad, bad things. But i havent experienced that yet. Whats it like to be the daughter of one of the most notorious people in recent american history. Everywhere i go, people say how are you related to warren jeffs . I always just say im his daughter. To me hes two different people. I dont like that one side one bit, but i love the other side. But ach all hes done, i dont know if he can ever be that again. For years, becky has mourn the loss of father she once knew, the one that sang, danced and made her and her brothers and sisters laugh. This is us just eating breakfast together. Today she keeps those memories close and wants to show me a side of warren thats never been seen. This looks like you guys are singing. Yeah, were playing a game called here we go around the mulberry bush. Which one are you . The red head, messy head. Shows the good times we had with him. Saved all these birthday cards he gave me. He gave his children a card every birthday. And made us feel special. So this is all throughout your life . Yes, all throughout my life. These are all before he was prophet. I still get a warm feeling when i look at them. My father loved me. No matter what, do as the prophet teaches. You look a lot like your father in this picture. Yeah, a lot of people have told me that. How does it feel to look at all these photos now . When i look at pictures with my father, it hurts my heart because he did so much good and yet so much bad. Its a pain that has haunted becky since childhood. Warrens abuse of the innocent began long before he became the prophet, he found his first victims at home under his own roof. When i was really young, probably between the ages of four and six, and it was at night and he came in my room and i kept saying father, do you know what youre doing . Are you awake . I was thinking there has got to be a reason because he teaches these strict principles of morals and everything but just scared me. I tried to convince myself it didnt happen but all my life it would come to my mind. I never told anybody. Why didnt you tell anyone . Because father knows best. To me, he was so perfect i kept telling myself, this is an accident, something is wrong. It is not a father daughter relationship. Sexuality is not. But i didnt feel like i could speak up, only he could have his say and i had to go with it and carry on. This is the first time becky has publicly opened up about what her father did to her when she was just a little girl. Its common for child victims of sexual abuse to suppress traumatic memories, keep quiet and internalize their secret and for decades, becky did just that until she learned she wasnt alone. Okay. Here is picture of me holding roy. Roy jeffs is beckys younger brother and he, too, knows what its like to keep a secret. What ive seen of roy is a boy that has tried with all his might to please his father and never could be completely accepted by him. Father excluded him from the other boys and i didnt ever know why. The reason my life has gone the way it has is because of what he did to me. The possibilin quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At at t we monitor our Network Traffic so we can see things others cant. Mitigating risks across your business. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. Geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides. In a suburb of Salt Lake City, 22yearold roy jeffs is enjoying a freedom hes never known. The first movie i watched was in 2012. I was still in the flds. It was in secret. I scoped out the theater and made sure there was nobody watching me. All right. Have a great day. Will do. I felt like i was a really bad person but it was kind of fun. [ laughter ] in many ways, roys life is stranger than fiction. He, too, is the son of the prophet, warren jeffs 11th child. Before his sister becky, roy was the first of jeffs kids to flee. Did you tell anyone that you were leaving . No. If you tell anybody, they will be all over you trying to get you to stay. I didnt want them to change my mind. Why did you want to leave . There was just no more hope anymore. I mean, as hard as i tried to be a good person or to follow their rules, i could never be good enough. Three months ago, roy and becky reunited in salt lake. The city where they grew up. Its taken a bit to get to know each other again. I knew him as my little brother that i took care of. Its a memory that becky and roy share right here in salt lake. At the base of Little Cottonwood canyon sits an abandoned house in a suburban neighborhood this is becky and roys childhood home. As a little kid, i can remember Early Mornings weeding in the garden. My favorite memories are the mountains and reservoir we swam . Youall lived here before you father became the prophet. What was he like back then . Pretty normal. He would take us up the canyon hiking and go on picnics every once in awhile. At the time, warren had seven wives and 20 children. On the outside, the family appeared happy as roy says, a normal polygamist family but beneath the surface, some of those children were suffering in silence. One of my earliest memories is of him sexually abusing me. I was 4 or 5 years old and this is where my dad did it. I remember him telling me, you should never do this, and then he did it to me. He made me feel like i had done something bad. I remember father saying to me, becky, youre acting different toward me, and i remember feeling like i feel different towards you. Now when i think about it, i relate it to the sexual abuse. What was it like for both of you living in this house with him knowing what he had done to you . I just thought that was a mistake. I didnt allow myself to dwell on that all the time. I always felt like he was perfect. I never held him accountable for it at all. When did youall share what had happened to you when you were kids to each other . It was almost immediately. I let him know youre not the only one in this. And how did you feel when you found out . Angry inside. I knew it happened to me and then to know it was a brother, too. And to also be twofaced to us and appear to be such a good person. Yeah, thats the hardest part. Before warren became prophet, he was principal of alta academy, an flds school in st. Lake city, for 22 years. Here he perfected his image as a family man with good morals and religious conviction. In 1998 warrens father the prophet closed the school and called upon his flock to commune in short creek, an flds compound on the utah arizona border. Warren moved his family and four years later after the death of his father, was named the next prophet. He had a sense of power after he became the prophet and automatically started taking control of peoples lives. Started marrying my grandpas wives. Did anybody say anything about it . No, no, because we were taught he did right all the time. We were taught to not socialize, to not gossip, to not talk about what was going on. And why was that . Honestly, now, i think it was to help my dad be able to do what he felt like he wanted to do. He realized he had so much power, what should i do with this power . I can do anything i want, and so he did. And it went clear the wrong way. By the time warren was through, he married up to 80 women, 12 under 16 years old. To the fundamental mormons, plural marriage has always been a principle of faith. Marrying children is not. When he started bringing in 12, 13 year old wives, what are you thinking . Its natural as a daughter to think, why dont you be a father to these daughters instead of trying to be a husband to these young girls . Do you think he used his role as prophet to oh, yeah. To justify oh, yeah, he did. I think he did. He did not have other men marry 12yearolds, only he married 12yearolds. For becky and roy, these girls were once their classmates and friends. But now they were supposed to call them mother. There was one of them i went to school with. How old was she . 14 then. There was probably in all close to ten that were right around my age and younger. And what did you think about the fact that he had these wives that were 11, 12 years old . Then i thought it was cool because they were cute and i was 14 and they were 12 and i you know, naturally had a crush on them. But these girls now belong to his father and if warren suspected disobedience, he would send the offender away to repent. There were no exceptions, even for his son. I was so honest with my dad he knew everything about me. I would tell him about temptations i was having towards the mothers. These are girls younger than me and im 14. He said because youre looking at my wives and being tempted toward them, then i want you to go away from that land. Roy was torn from his birth mother and sent to live with a cousin 500 miles away. I didnt realize how much i loved her and how much she meant to me until after she was gone. Roys mother is warrens third wife. He hasnt seen her in four years. All that remains of their relationship are a few photos. He didnt allow any phone conversations so she would send me mail. She had that picture taken and she sent that to me. Obviously this was really hard for your mom as well. Could she protest . She could but there would be consequences. Do you think youll ever see her again . I dont know. I dont know. Roy and becky have in many ways be orphaned by their faith. There is no way to know exactly where their mothers are, but one possibility is short creek, still home to the flds. Even today, its a place that warren tightly controls from prison. And becky wants to show me for herself. What are your thoughts right now as we embark upon this place where you used to live . On one hand, i dont want people to think im out to get them or do something against them because thats what some people are going to think. I want to get the message across that things arent how they seem. Theres a network that never stops improving. Thats grown faster than any other, covering nearly every american. And these geese. But its not who you think. Squawk its tmobile. Our new extended range lte signal reaches twice as far. And is four times better in buildings. Think you know our lte coverage . Think again see for yourself at tmobile. Com coverage nothing artificial. Just real roasted turkey. Carved thick. Thats the right way to make a good turkey sandwich. The right way to eat it . Is however you eat it. Panera. Food as it should be. Becky and i are heading to short creek, a place she hasnt seen in nine months. Does everybody know four of warrens kids have left . Its pretty wellknown by now. What do you think that means to them . I think it would make them very curious why would they leave . They had everything. They are children of the prophet, why would they leave . Its estimated 5,000 flds members live here, an area that encompasses two towns. At first, short creek feels like any other small town but it doesnt take long to notice a difference. These are such big walled off compounds. When youre in there you feel like you cant live your life freely without being watched all the time. Im noticing all the windows are closed. Yeah, it seems like they would be on red code lockdown right now have. That means everybody shut your blinds, lock your doors. Stay quiet, stay secluded. Dont be seen. I bet thats a security vehicle coming to check on us. Hi. Do you think all these trucks are monitoring what were doing . I think that people have called each other and security is out watching just to monitor the situation. They dont know whats up. Security and secrecy is designed by warren to maintain control over his flock including his own children. When becky turned 18, he married her off to a man 12 years her senior who already had three wives. At first, she protested but over time, they fell in love and had four boys. Becky had envisioned a simple, happy life but all that changed after warrens arrest. From his prison cell, the prophet dictated harsh new revelations that would affect everyone. He banned marriage, school, even toys. If the faithful didnt obey, they risked punishment and no one, not even warrens own kin were immune. In 2011, warren declared beckys husband an apostate, no longer in Good Standing with the church. He told becky to take her kids and leave. I thought, i cant do this because my boys love their father so much. We got to do with the prophet says. So i wiped away my tears and said okay, ill start packing up. I didnt even give him a hug goodbye, i shook his hand and said thank you for all youve done and left. Do you know why he was cast out . He could hold his own and be somebody and that is a threat to father. Becky was ordered to remove any evidence that her husband existed, to cut him out of every photo. Today she has no pictures of the two of them together from their past. Would you say that your father cast out anyone he thought he couldnt control . At first i didnt think that. I just thought if that person is cast out because they are wicked until it came so close to me. But warrens control over beckys life wouldnt end there. A few months later, warren declared becky a bad mother. He then took three of her children away and commanded her to retreat with her eldest son to what is called a house of repentance. We were given strict rules when we got there. We werent supposed to communicate with each other. Like prison. One day i totally lost it and broke down and truly convinced myself i must be a very wicked person. Becky confessed her brokenness to her father but he showed no mercy. He took away her eldest son and sent her childless to live in colorado with her sister and repent. We took pictures and i said ill smile for this picture because this will be my funeral picture. Im going to kill myself. I am. There is nothing to live for. But then, beckys sister revealed something about their father that would change everything. One day my sister starts bawling and bawling and i said whats the matter . My sister said from the ages of about 8 to 17 he had sexually abused her. We both cried together. I thought im not the only one molested. Hes done it to her. It must be something that was in his nature. Thats all. Where does it end . If he had this in him, how can i trust him . How is he really our prophet . How many people do you think your father has hurt . Every Single Member in there. Literally every Single Member has been affected. Every adult i know of has a personal message of correction from him. Today in short creek, life is on hold. In 2008 the world watched as federal agents raided warren jeffs texas con pound and discovered evidence of his heinous crimes. Warren jeffs is four years into a life sentence but those who still follow him seem to be locked into a life sentence of their own. As things look now, they are just going to grow old waiting for something to happen. Why is that . Because the prophet has said only he can perform marriages because the lord has only given him the right to do it. And so nobody is getting married. Nobody has gotten married since the day he was captured and put in prison. What happens if your father dies in prison . Im sure that hes already told somebody to take over if that happens, probably be one of his brothers. His brothers are running things now . Yeah. Lyle jeffs has been in the news lately. Hes warrens brother and enforcer responsible for relaying warrens messages to the people and carrying out his orders. He even declared his own son tom an apostate. Becky hasnt seen tom, who is her cousin, in three years. But tonight shes ready to share her story with him. Hey, tom, how are you . Good. You remember this one. Hey, thomas. How are you doing . Good. Like becky, tom recently left the flds and is also viewed as a traitor by his own father. He told the whole family i was a rank apostate and i did nothing to him. Why exactly did you leave . I got sick of all the restrictions and after i left the church, i still believed warren is who he said he was and i had all the respect in the world for him but i finally got a lawyer and he put all the evidence in front of me. It disgusts me. Becky, do you want to share anything with tom . He molested some of us when we were little and then, you know, my sister, she dealt with it constantly, so of course, we cant support him. Yeah. I mean, to find out thats the man we were supporting, how could this have happened all these years and nobody know about it . I mean, its it messes with your head. It does. When i first left, i thought i made the worst decision in my life and now i come to find out, it was the best decision i ever made in my life. I want people to know that he sexually abused some of his children so that they realize when he accuses them of immorality and sends them away, it doesnt mean theyre guilty of it. I imagine thats how hes trying to hide his own sins, by pointing at others. How many kids do you think your father molested . I dont know, sometimes i think 10, 20. I hope its not more than that. When youre not confident your companys data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At at t we monitor our Network Traffic so we can see things others cant. Mitigating risks across your business. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. My Psoriatic Arthritis im caused joint pain. O golfer. Just like my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. And i was worried about joint damage. My doctor said joint pain from ra can be a sign of existing joint damage that could only get worse. He prescribed enbrel to help relieve pain and help stop further damage. Enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. 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Tom wants to get out of town but due to financial constraints, still lives in Colorado City where he cant escape warren. Its coming from next door . Down stairs. Every day as early as 6 00 a. M. , toms neighbors listen to hours of his teachings. Are most people in Colorado City listening to this now . They are probably not listening to the very same thing that these guys are, but they are listening to him. When i hear his voice, its a constant reminder of how hes lied to us all these years. Hes not a revelator. Hes not from god. And hes a pedophile and needs to be treated as such. So ironic when they consider you the enemy and they are listening to a child molester, pedophile. Exactly. There is no way to follow a man that does that. Its disgusting and wrong and im glad he is where he is. Tom isnt the only one living here whose faith in jeffs has been shattered. Increasingly, people are removing the profit from their lives and tonight a group of former flds members invited me to a meeting to hear why. In the crowd, there are people who are cast out by warren. Others who left on their own accord. Given what you know now, do you think warren jeffs should have been prophet to begin with . No. No. In the church, he was totally wonderful. We had no clue there was anything that he was harming us with. We dont feel abused there. When did the lightbulb go off for you . I found out about his confessions. So disappointed and such an emptiness and a loss. There was a period when warren started assigning men to much younger women. Did you know this was happening, and if so, what did you think . I think to this day the majority of the Community Never pictured 12. We pictured 16, you know, and i understand that in the majority of society, thats really bad, but it wasnt totally crazy in our culture. What about the men who were being assigned to girls 14 . We didnt know about it. There are allegations that warren molested kids when he was a principal. If people had known about what he had done before he became prophet, do you think people could have followed him . No. No way. Absolutely not. No way. I dont believe so. We have to have high morals. The principles that were raised on require that. But if they know that warren was a pedophile, how could they continue to stay . Why dont they leave . If you dont do what he tells you, youre going to be cast out. Warren was very clever in this concept of if somebody starts to get smart on him, get rid of him. We just followed. We didnt have a mind of our own. We didnt do anything except what we were told. We didnt dare to. The price was too high to pay. When do you think it will collapse . I dont expect a collapse at all. I think it will continue to be one by one as men come to some resolution in their heart with what they want to do. People are left hanging without information. They are stuck in a time warp. They dont progress. How do you break that . Thats the big question. But one person in town is trying to expose the flds to the outside world. Ruth olson is an advocate for a nonprofit called holding out help and today showing me the challenges of getting out. Why is it important for you to have a presence and be on the ground here . The church has broken down people to where they feel like they cant trust anybody. We try to establish ourselves so they can feel safe. Do you have any idea how many people youve helped . Ive served hundreds of people here. Ruth and i are on our way to a secret location to meet a 17yearold girl still inside the flds. Ruth is bringing her a computer and movies, windows to the outside world. Who is this girl were going to meet . She is a minor and not able to get out yet on her own. She has a very low education in that she would so like to further that and be part of high school, do sports, things like that but the problem is is that she cant get out. Shes just afraid of one, she doesnt want to go to hell and thats what their religion teaches if she leaves and two, is that she may never see her parents again. Is this a big risk meeting and exchanging money for things she wants like a computer . Yeah, taking a really big risk. Warren hardly needs a reason to kick somebody out. So this girl sent ruth a text saying, telling her the car shes in. So we just saw the car that she said she was in. And it disappeared. I saw it go that way. There she is. Okay. Im going to go talk with her first. Okay. So the girl ruth is meeting is parked right to my right. We dont want to shoot her car because we dont want the vehicle to be identified but ruth is now asking if i can at least meet her and she might agree to have a little chat on camera but its very, very risky so well see. These are the movies that ruth is giving her. Horse camp and princess bride. Shes going to pull up and get out. So shes going to come up. Hi, how are you . Im lisa, nice to meet you. Ive seen this, this is a great movie. Youre going to love it. Here is the big box, do you want me to open it . I have a box. Youre okay . Yeah. What would happen if this is discovered . I really dont know. Are you having a lot of confusion about things right now . Yeah. Well, freedom is nice. See ya. Bye. Do you think she was nervous talking with us now . Yeah, i think she was. Youre exposing her to the outside world. Exactly. Exactly. But i feel like its my obligation to help them see more options out there and if they want out, then we can get them out. The fact the young flds girl still communicates with ruth indicates shes curious about the outside world but that might not be enough to propel her to leave. Its a huge risk. I wonder if things would be different ff she knew the truth about her prophet. 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To be a perfect person, i had to work all the time. My father felt more like a dictator than father. He was always giving out commands and rules. There wasnt a father son connection. Rejected by his father and sheltered from the outside world, roy got used to being alone. Its a feeling today he still remains comfortable with. I almost like the feeling of being alone where im not judged. I just push people away. I dont like letting people in my life that much. In many ways, ex flds are like refugees from another country. Everything outside of their former world is brandnew. I had my first glass of wine last week. Learned how to swim yesterday. Wow. And would you just not have been able to swim. We were taught not to. Why . We were taught that the devil has control of the waters. Any waters. What did you think of the outside world and the world that everybody else lived in . I thought everybody was corrupt because thats the picture he painted. But i was just amazed at how much good there actually is. Just having a few people who care about me is whats keeping me going. Now when roy is down, he has a place where hes welcome. This is the home of a woman who is operating an underground railroad of sorts. Hey, i have an update on a possible home so i want to go through your intake briefly. Tanya tool is the founding director of holding out help. Shes ruths counterpart in salt lake and they call her when theyre looking for a place to land outside of short creek. Tanya and her team have helped thousands of exflds transition into the real world. How did you get involved . We just cutting turn a blind eye anymore. The crazier that warn jeffs was getting, we quickly realized we were going to have an onslaught of people and thats what happened in the last three years. To roy and other exiles, tanya has become like a surrogate mother. Tanya, shes everything to me. Shes been there for me ever since ive left. Shes helped me through a lot. The one gift ive always wanted to able to give to roy is to be reunited with his mother. But the further i get into this, i realize it may never happen. He comes to me with pretty dark stuff. Its so important for me to say lets work through that together. All right, gang, its burger time. Whoohoo tanya and her family have embraced roy and others like him. Tonight, four young men who have left the church join tanya and her family for dinner. Is there anything you guys miss about being there . I miss my family. Do you think youll ever see your family again . Id be real surprised. I dont know. I guess well see how it turns out. Its been nearly a year since becky gathered her four boys and fled the flds. Two year ago she reunited with her husband in a suburb of Salt Lake City and today becky and her boys are rarely apart. Theyre a team of survivors who not only have their whole future in front of them but finally have each other. Whats it like to be out here experiencing freedom with your boys . I dont ever have to worry that theyre going to be taken away from me again. There was always a worry. The boys seems like theyre having fun all the time and climbing trees. Yeah. Like could they even do this . They werent supposed to. What were some of the things that you guys couldnt do . We couldnt run around, nor could we laugh. Thats what i minded. They didnt let you even watch videos and they wouldnt let us even look at a picture of father. Is there anything you miss about living there . No. If they gave you toys, they would take them out and burn them or something. You couldnt have like sponge bob or teenage mutant ninja turtles. He doesnt know who that is. You have no idea . No. Is life here a lot more fun. Its better than that place. Im happy youre free. We would have never unless mama came home and was like, okay, lets just go. What happened to becky and roy was so devastating. 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Becky and roys lives have long been dictated by the religion demands of their father. Now that theyre in control of their own futures, theyre making their own decisions about what to believe and where to go on sunday mornings. Its not the church youre part of, its not the family youre part of, its who you are, its what you do. I feel like im not accountable to anybody but god and that is so much simpler. If you could say anything, Say Something to your father, what would it be . Father, will you please back down and let the people know that you are not the prophet. Stop trying to be the leader and just be our father. Even if youre just our father in prison, ill respect you if youll just do this. I wish i could say that to him. Each of us children, we know what youve done. You cant fool us and tell us everybodys guilty of things when youre guilty of these things yourself. For him to go all those years and he probably thought, oh, good, nobody ever found out. I want to tell him we know now, father. We know. Please step down and let the people be. Please stop hurting families. Ripping children from their parents. I just say i love you and please tell people the truth. Tonight our topic will be murder, as a growth industry. Murder has become an epidemic in america. The last ten years the homicide rate has increased by leaps and bounds. Somebody fired a shot. These tragedies keep getting closer and closer to home. Im afraid to let my children walk out the door. Step out. Ill plead not guilty right now. There has been a disturbing growth and cult phenomenon in this country. There shall be no other. All the elements have risen from one of the most sensational murder trials in american people. Seven people brutally murdered in the glare of hollywood publicity. Master mind of the seven murders. The 70s is a decade of just brutal violence on every front and anywhere that you look in america. At the time of a mass murder, theres a lot of immediate coverage, but usually after a brief period of time, the identity of the perpetrator tends to fade from the publics consciousness, but not so with the manson case. The manson trial begins the 1970s on such an evil note, seven innocent people died. A teenager, abigaillfolge re. Few of you know how good she was. And you had Charles Manson himself. Can leader of the family who didnt show any remorse, or any respect for the system. Are you all happy with your courts . Yes. Am i happy . Its your court. I wouldnt accept it. The problem was he didnt physically participate in the murders, but only he had a motive. He envisioned white people would turn against the black man if he thought they committed the murders. He foresaw the black man would win this war, but he said he would simply not be able to handle the reigns of power, so he would have to look around to the people who had survived, and turn over the reigns to Charles Manson and his family. When the words helterskelter were found in blood, i argued this was tantamount to his fingerprints being found. Today he had an x scratched in his forehead. It is his way of saying hes xed himself out of society. Susan atkins, andlessly van housen sang as they went to and from court. The three women were coached by him every morning. Heres things i want you to do. So they would do everything from sing mocking songs to the judge to when charlie is making one of his impassioned speeches, mouthing the words along with him. I dont have any guilt. I know what ive done, and nobody can judge me. I judge me. Are you bitter . Bitter . No. You have paid a price so far . You have eyes, open them. Charlie manson is a great presenter, but vincent was better. And when you put them into a courtroom, america thought this was entertainment. People go to the Los Angeles Hall of justice where they wait in long lines. Some people are so interested they get to the courthouse at 4 00 a. M. Something else this trial has done is gathered together again those members of mansons family who are not in jail. The world is getting crazy. One read part of a letter that manson wrote the district attorney. I am writing to you because i dont think im getting a fair trial. Im one man standing alone defending myself. Contrast this with the facilities you have available to you. I noted the charls manson case. Here is a man who was guilty, directly or indirectly of eight murders without reason, here is a man yet who as far as the coverage was concerned, appeared to be rather a glamorous figure. The l. A. Times, manson guilty, nixon declares. Manson stands up in front of the jury and shows the jury the headline. A tight ring of security surrounds the hall of justice as the manson jury deliberates. Meanwhile, members of the manson clan continue their vigil at the hall of justice. If charlie were convicted of these charges, what happens to the rest of the members of the family. Theres no if. Charlie will get out. All of them will get out and well all go to the desert together. The jury hearing the charges against Charles Manson and three members of his family brought in his verdict this afternoon. And outside they got the news by radio. Theyve convicted these people, and you are next, all of you. Theres a revolution coming very soon. Today the judge formally passed sentence on Charles Manson and his girls. Death penalty for seven senseless murder. He said not only was the sentence appropriate, but almost compelled in this case, so death and the gas chamber. His name has become a metaphor for evil, catapulting him to almost mythological proportions, and theres a side to human nature, for whatever reason that is fascinated by pure evil. But if the Death Penalty is to mean anything, this was a proper case for the imposition of the Death Penalty. The California Supreme Court ruled today the Death Penalty is unconstitutional. That will save men and women, including charing Charles Manso the Death Penalty. If i dont give you the answer you want . It doesnt matter to me. Its your opinion. I dont have the authority to say anything like that. You have the authority to believe. I believe what im told to believe. Dont you . When youre not confident your companys data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At at t we monitor our Network Traffic so we can see things others cant. Mitigating risks across your business. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. 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And she was shot and found 28 feet further on. Do you have any idea what the possible motive might be for this killing . We have no motive at this time. The Zodiac Killer, this unknown person, committed dozens of murders in the 1960s, the 1970s. We really dont know the full dimensions of the case, but we know hes the zodiac because he started writing to the police, claiming credit in great detail, articulating and explaining what he did to these victims. The chronicle received two letters. They notified us immediately. The criminologist was sent over to the newspaper, as were inspectors, and the two letters were examined and opened. The zodiacs reaching out to the police repeatedly and in great length was something new. The psychotic killer has already murdered five, one at a lovers lane near a lake just north of San Francisco, three others in nearby vallejo, the latest a taxi driver in San Francisco. The Zodiac Killer seems to crave publicity. He sent letters and cryptograms to newspapers and the police, recounting his crimes, threatening more murders, and making bay area residents very edgy. In the 70s, there was a certain kind of killer who had the skill to get away with murder long enough to assemble a body count where they would be classified as a serial killer. In los angeles, a killer the police are calling the hillside strangler has murdered ten young women and left their bodies on the hillsides along the highway. Today the police found another, number 11 they think. Two young paper boys discovered what appears to be the latest victim. The body had been dumped 15 feet down an embankment in a residential neighborhood. The victim was a 20yearold woman, and the body was nude. The series of murders has had a Chilling Effect upon the people in the city. In los angeles, more women than ever before are learning to defend themselves. Susan ball skipped night school for a week. She says she cant sleep because of the murders. I guess i just want to learn how to maybe give myself a few seconds so i can live. There have been enough bodies found over a wide enough area to strongly suggest more than one killer. But police say they really dont know. Today the Los Angeles Police say they have a suspect, a man in jail in another state. Los Angeles Police say they have enough evidence to charge 27yearold Kenneth Bianchi with ten of the hillside stranglings. Police focused on bianchi only after he was arrested last january for the murder of two College Students in washington state. What the police did not know was that there was not one strangler but two. Today in a bellingham, washington, courtroom, Kenneth Bianchi, in the hope of avoiding the Death Penalty, confessed to participation in the los angeles hillside stranglings and accused his cousin angelo buono of being his accomplice. Kenneth bianchi, to a great extent, he was motivated because he was trying to show his older cousin who he revered that he was tough. And for angelo buono, he enjoyed the fact he had his younger cousin listening to him. And we saw this time and time again, pairs of killers who urge each other on, and together they are extremely vicious and violent. Is there any doubt that this is a body . No doubt. Theres a skull and bones and everything. When did you first get word that there might be some bodies buried here . This morning. Had you had any indication before . The man behind the killings was dean corll, 33 years old. He was shot and killed wednesday evening by wayne henley, 17 years old. Henley was one of two teenagers who lured young boys to corlls home. Dean corll would lure kids to his house. Once he had them in the house, he would incapacitate them and put them on what he called his death board and rape and kill them. The texas sex and torture killings have now become the worst mass murders in american history. Four more bodies of young boys were dug up today, and that brings to 27 the number of bodies discovered so far. Some people trying to make it appear that the Police Department has not done all that it could or should have done in these cases. The Police Department feels that these parents are not exactly discharging their own responsibility so far as raising and disciplining their children. These shocking murders finally focus National Attention on a major problem, that of runaway children and what can happen to them. The children that run away from home today are not the children that we had running away in the 60s. In the 60s, we had what we called then flower children, and they ran away for sociopolitical reasons. Today children are running from a situation rather than to a situation. Kids are disappearing, and the police would say, well, they probably ran away. It was to the demise of many who in fact were picked up by sexual sadists like john wayne gacy. In des plaines, illinois, near chicago, a man who served time in prison for sex crimes was let out. Today they found the bodies of at least three young boys buried under his house. Police today found six more bodies under the john gacy house. Illinois authorities today made their first positive identification of the 28 bodies unearthed so far. This grisly search ended tonight and will be resumed after christmas. Prior to his arrest, gacy was well known in the community. He frequently dressed in a clown outfit for the benefit of youngsters. He was generally seen as a man young people liked. The coroner of this county has seen nothing like it. Its frightening. Thats the only word i can use, frightening. Frightening. When youre not confident your companys data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. 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At pg e wherever we work, we work hard to protect the environment. Getting the job done safely so we can keep the lights on for everybody. Because i live here i have a deeper connection to the community. And i want to see the Community Grow and thrive. Every year we work with cities and schools to plant trees in our communities. The environment is there for my kids and future generations. Together, were building a better california. From new york, this is abc news. Good evening. The Supreme Court ruled today that there is nothing unconstitutional in the Death Penalty. The court says the Death Penalty is an expression of societys moral outrage at particular crimes. In the 1970s, we had a fouryear moratorium on the Death Penalty. The u. S. Supreme court ruled the Death Penalty unconstitutional. Eventually, in 1976, with new statutes, the u. S. Supreme court said its constitutional, and then we started seeing the Death Penalty back in place, death rows repopulated with new criminals like gary gilmore. It seems that the people of utah want the Death Penalty but dont want executioners. Well, i took them literal and serious when they sentenced me to death. His crimes were not especially extreme. It was two robbery murders. But when he was convicted, he wanted to die. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. So two years later he was put to death by firing squad and became the very first person in america in this new era to be executed. And his words were lets do it. The order of the Fourth Judicial District Court of the state of utah has been carried out. Gary mark gilmore is dead. Tonight our topic will be murder as a growth industry. These are the National Homicide figures. For the past ten years, every year has set a new high for murder in america. The statistics were stupendous. I mean, Violent Crime of all kinds were soaring. The spectacles that people were seeing on their tv screens were unlike anything theyd had to absorb before. A Small Grocery store has been robbed. The owner of the grocery store, nathan hurt, has been shot and killed. What happened today . As i understand, a man came into the store and had a gun and asked for the money. Then my grandfather reached for a gun he had and grabbed at the mans gun, and it went off. Or he shot him twice, and my grandfather fell to the floor. Why did he feel he had to have a gun . Because there were so many robberies in the area, and he thought he needed it for protection. Today ordinary citizens who would not otherwise dream of having a gun are buying one because they are scared out of their wits. William rubiak is a ukrainian immigrant who owns a store outside washington, d. C. Hes been robbed at gunpoint four times in the past two years. Now william rubiak has bought a gun, and he says next time he will use it. I will shoot, and i will shoot to kill. Fear is the biggest seller of guns. Studies have shown each urban crime wave has touched off a new round of gun buying. We have german rugers, berengers, small revolvers, magnums. Some of these saturday night specials are small and can be palmed in your hand. It was shortly after 10 00 california time when the president left his hotel. Not seen by the following cameras but scattered by secret Service Agent Larry Buendorf was a hand with a gun in it coming through the crowd. The commotion erupted. Secret Service Agents forced the assailant to the ground and then handcuffed her. She was identified as 27yearold lynnette alice fromme, one of the earliest followers of Charles Manson who was involved in the tate bianca murders of 1969. About the same time gerald ford becomes president , charlie in prison writes to squeaky that hes got new rules. They want to do one big thing thats going to get the nations attention back on charlie. So squeaky, wearing a red robe, comes up to the president of the United States with a big gun, points the gun in his face. The secret servicemen wrestle her to the ground, and squeakys first words were, can you believe the gun didnt go off . Following your own close brush with death a few weeks ago in sacramento, i wonder if this has convinced you at all that we need tough gun control legislation in this country . I prefer to go after the person who uses the gun for an illegal or criminal purpose. That to me is a far better approach than the one where you require registration of the individual or the gun. Just minutes after making those statements, gerald ford walked into the street and heard the sound of gunfire. My god, theres been a shot theres been a shot. Were being pushed back by the police. Somebody has fired a shot here. We dont know if anybody has been hit. My god somebody fired a shot. The president was not hit. Witnesses heard the sound and saw a puff of smoke. The woman identified by police as Sara Jean Moore was immediately seized. Sara jane moore jumped out of a crowd, fired off a weapon and was tackled by another citizen. Her background it turned out was as sort of an eccentric, kind of lower rung political figure. She was kind of an odd duck. When gerald ford became president , within the space of one month were two attempts on his life, squeaky fromme and sara jane moore. Both tried to shoot him. Its like, whats going on . Why cant this be stopped . So once again this nation has narrowly escaped the tragedy, the trauma of assassination of our president. Above all else, this points out the need for some additional measures, some additional precautions to protect the life of the highest elected official in the country. Will it take another assassination in our lifetime to finally force some action . 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We hit our peak probably in 1972 when the bronx had 430 homicides. In the 70s, the bronx looked like berlin after world war ii, literally looked like berlin. 1. 5 Million People live in this borough. Once that smoke on the horizon signified industry, progress, jobs. Now it means someone is burning down a building. It has become the arson capital of the world. It happens 30 times a day, and the flames are the signal of a national disaster. Is there anything that can change the situation . The bronx in my own estimation is doomed with a capital d. A lot of gritty stuff went down in new york. And when you think of new york in the 70s, you of course think of the son of sam murders. Christine freund, 27 years old, soon to be married, is dead today. Dead in a shooting that has no apparent motive. The end of 1976, they transfered me to queens homicide. And the first victim i came across was a woman named Christine Freund who was sitting there with her boyfriend coming from a movie and got her head blown off. There was a series of random shootings. The comparison determined it was the same killer using the same gun, a. 44caliber weapon, on these homicides. Therefore, the police nicknamed it the. 44caliber killer. He struck again on april 17th at 3 00 in the morning, killing 18yearold Valentina Suriani and her fiance, 20yearold Alexander Esau as they sat in a parked car in the baychester section of the bronx. We get the shooting back in the bronx, a girl named Valentina Suriani. But at that scene where that shooting occurred left a note addressed to my supervisor, and he called himself the son of sam. He talks about being possessed by a man he refers to as sam and the man he refers to to as his father, and he says his father requires blood. This got peoples attention. I think it was just the sheer randomness of it. The fact you could be doing something as simple as sitting in a car talking to a friend, and someone would come up behind you and open fire. It was pretty terrifying. It was frightening. I was in charge of the nighttime operation. There was part of the task force that wanted to shoot him on sight. That was our job, take him out on the street. We just flooded the streets of new york. Theres people dying, and were trying to stop it, okay . Its everybody. Its not you. Its everybody. Thats all were trying to do. Okay. In terms of the victim count, that doesnt place him at the top of the list in terms of the most deadly serial killers. But it was new york city. And what happens in new york city, well, thats international news. Good evening. Harry is on vacation. Here are our top stories. 100 more police join the hunt for the son of sam killer in new york. The search continues for the. 44caliber killer who has come to be known as the son of sam. He warned in one of his sick and threatening letters to the press and to the police, sam is a thirsty lad, and he wont let me stop killing until hes had his full of blood. It was a really miserably hot summer in new york, and everything went dark. I heard someone on the street go, oh, its a blackout the looters were out almost instantly. And it felt apocalyptic. I remember going to bed that night thinking it was the end of the world. New york city in the Early Morning after a night of no electric power. What it did have in the dark streets was a wild outburst of crime. When the greatest city in the world goes black, it showed a crumbling america. Then you have the son of sam on the loose. We always look for patterns in victims. There was this belief that he was only killing women with long dark hair. I know the. 44 killer is after girls with long brown hair so when i go out, me and my friends go out at night, we put our hair up. My hair was down to my shoulder. I cut it short because of the. 44caliber killer. Well, his last victim was actually blond. A 20yearold new york city girl died this evening a day and a half after she and her companion were shot by the son of sam. Hes the nighttime killer who has stalked new york residential boroughs for a year. A postal worker walked out of his yonkers apartment last night, turned the ignition key in his car, and found himself surrounded by police. Well, he said, youve got me. Police say those words ended the biggest manhunt in new york city history with the capture of son of sam. And this is what they say tripped up the. 44caliber killer, a parking ticket. David berkowitz drove this creamcolored ford galaxy from his home in yonkers to brooklyn. Then police say he went to stalk his 12th and 13th victims. But in the place he parked was this fire hydrant, and police had the lead they needed. When we get him and i interrogate him, my attitude at this time, i want to take him and throw him out the window. This guy was so pathetic. It was like talking to a zucchini. Never blinked, constant smile on his face. After a while i start to feel sorry for the guy. You know, hes gone, right . I feel great. And i think the people of our city will feel great relief. Praise the lord. Its over. Were very, very happy. That was the first thing we heard this morning. It was fantastic. It was great. Serial killers tend to be cunning. That allows them to stay at large. And when they get caught, its usually because of luck. Good luck for us. Bad luck for them. When we caught him, we searched his car. In the back on the seat was the. 44caliber gun that did all the shootings. What more do you need . And then a machine gun fully loaded in the backseat and the night of interrogation that i directed, i said, well, what were you going to do with the machine gun . 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There are so many miracles in this church that its hard to tell about one without telling about two or three because they blend together and make a beautiful flow of miracles. You know, for 30 years, i prayed to a sky god and i got nothing but disappointment and heartache. And now we have a father who loves each one of us so much. How thankful we are for you, jim. Thank you. The 70s were a very fertile period for this new religious movement. What was so interesting about the rise of cults in our country is how many people wanted to ally themselves with these stigmatized and fanatical organizations. And i must say it is a great effort to be god. I lean upon another but no one else has the faculty that i do. When they do, i will be glad to hold their coat. In the meantime, i shall be god, and besides me there shall be no other god. Yeah yeah jim jones was an extraordinary figure. He was a community leader, a social worker and a minister. And he carried his ministry to california. Walk with me walk with me what was particularly distinctive about him at that time was he created a community that was united between whites and blacks. And this came at a time when the country was still very racially divided and churches were not integrated. Some leading Scientists Say we have to have euthanasia. Oh, no. Oh, no. Whos going to decide who and when a person is going to die . We must never allow that because this is the kind of thing that ushers in the terror of a hitlers germany. We must not allow these kind of things to enter our consciousness. I wanted to write a story very much about this guy and his power and the reach he had so i began to contact exmembers. And they said that all is not so good inside, that there were beatings if you got out of line. There was a lot of sex abuse. And the story took on a new life at that point. Very soon afterwards, the Church Members began leaving San Francisco for guyana. He figures, if im in guyana, it really doesnt matter whats said or written. Nobodys going to get me here. We are a happy family were a happy family yes we are it was an escapade thats almost unparalleled in the history of religious movements. They had very little communication with their loved ones at home, and naturally there was concern about where theyd gone and what was happening out there in the jungle. I think that jim jones took his group down there because he was afraid to face the publicity and answer the questions here in this country. He was talking integration. He was talking helping people. He was talking better this and better that. What about now . Whats your impression now . My impression now, that those are fronts for him. I think hes gone crazy. Congressman leo ryan started hearing the name jim jones more regularly, and he wanted to expose what he believed was going on down there that was wrong. And he thought it was certainly worth inviting members of the press to join him. Very glad to be here. This is a congressional inquiry. And i can tell you right now that whatever the comments are, there are some people here that believe this is the best thing that happened to them in their whole life. So its toward the end of the evening. Don harris, who was the nbc reporter, had been Walking Around the pavilion, and two people slipped him notes. And he hands the notes over to congressman ryan who opens them and says, oh, my god, its true. Everything weve been told is true. And then word spread, and more and more people wanted to leave. Now, do i understand you to say that you both want to leave jonestown on this date, november 18, 1978 . Yes. And then i remember seeing this couple with a child between them. You bring those kids back here you bring them back dont you take my kids you could feel the tension. Last night someone came and passed me this note. People play games, friend. They lie. They lie. What can i do about liars . You people leave us. I just beg you. Please leave us. Instead of just letting that plane take off with minimal damage to his movement, jones snapped. Good evening. For about the last 30 hours, we here at nbc news have been trying to establish what happened last night at the airstrip at a place called port kaituma. We do have a particular interest in it. Two nbc newsmen were shot to death there. Don harris was killed. Bob brown was killed. Congressman ryan was shot 45 times. Every time somebody would fall down wounded, they would walk over and shoot them in the head with a shotgun. I was shot five times. I was lying on my side with my head down pretending i was dead. And then all of a sudden they just came and shot me at pointblank range. Theyre shooting. People die, including leo ryan. And back in Jonestown Jim Jones is calling for a revolutionary suicide where were all going to kill ourselves and make a statement to the world. I first flew into jonestown last evening around sunset. There was absolute silence. Nothing living was around. Jonestown last evening was the city of the dead. They found tremendous quantities of potassium cyanide poison. It had been mixed with koolaid. It killed quickly, within five minutes. We will never know how many people voluntarily drank the poison. But other people were either coerced, brainwashed, or took it against their will. They were murdered. I was lifted into this medevac plane, and i was so grateful. Good evening. The searching american soldiers have finished counting the bodies in jonestown, guyana. 910 died in the poison ritual of the peoples temple last week. This was americans killing other americans and themselves. In its own interest for its own wellbeing, this nation will have to find out why. When youre not confident your companys data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At at t we monitor our Network Traffic so we can see things others cant. Mitigating risks across your business. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. There were a lot of strange people who committed a lot of strange crimes in the 1970s, but none of them was as mediagenic as ted bundy. You said you were surprised when you went to jail. Surprised . I dont know. I didnt know what to expect. Never been in jail or arrested before. Bundy is a prolific serial killer. We dont know how many killed. We know dozens. He was handsome, very involved in politics, was in law school. Didnt seem like the glassy eyed lunatic that Many Americans believed serial killers would be. We still dont believe it. This cant be. I keep shaking my head day after day saying how can this be because our son is the best son in the world. What the press wrote about bundy and his crimes wasnt the full detail, the full extent of the barbarism, the fact that he would have sex with their corpses, mutilate the victims, that didnt fit with this image of the boy next door. You wish to issue a statement that you feel that everything will turn out all right, that you are innocent. Do you feel that still . More than ever. You think of getting out of here . Well legally, sure. Bundy was to stand trial on them charge of murdering a young woman in aspen. That trial never completed. During a Court Hearing break he was left alone in a law library. Bundy bailed out of a second floor window and escaped. He hightailed it up in the hills where they chased him nearly a week. He got lost up there and probably would have died of exposure if they hadnt arrested him. They caught him and he was put back in jail and at christmastime 1977 he escaped again. Bundy, starved down to less than 140 pounds, slipped through a hole in the ceiling of his cell and was free again. The fbi responded by putting bundy on its ten most wanted list. Posters with a picture of ted bundy were circulated throughout the nation. Ted did not have a plan when he escaped. He just wanted to get as far away from where he might be identified as he could. So he stole a car and went to florida. His new quarters are cramped. Hes under 24hour guard and faces intense questioning. He is Theodore Bundy, jailed in florida. Bundy was living in tallahassee at the time when five Florida State university coeds were attacked on or near the campus. Two of the young women died as a result of the attacks. The police in pensacola, florida, stopped a man driving a stolen car and found to their surprise and perhaps pleasure it was bundy. I step out, mr. Bundy. What do we have here, ken . Oh, its an indictment. All right. Why dont you read it to me . Youre up for election, arent you . Mr. Bundy you told them you were going to get me. He said he was going to get me. Okay, youve got the indictment. Its all youre going to get. Bundy, having had some law training and a great deal of arrogance, decided to represent himself. For him, he was the star in the courtroom. Since i have been in dade county dont shake your finger at me, young man. Dont shake your finger at me, young man inside the courtroom, the trial will be covered by a still photographer and one television camera. Upstairs there are some 250 reporters and Television Technicians from around the country. Bundys personality is fascinating to a lot of people. He doesnt fit the usual profile of a criminal. When he defends himself in court, its fascinating for people to watch. Each day the courtroom is filled with spectators drawn by a fascination with Theodore Bundy himself or the gruesome details of the crimes. What is unusual to see is many of the onlookers are women, young women. You are fascinated by him . Very. Very. Im not afraid of him. He doesnt look like the type to kill somebody. You try to imagine yourself in his place and see how he is feeling. The bizarre spectacle of ted bundy as a sex symbol really bummed out feminists, as you can imagine. I mean, he became a folk hero. There were tshirts. Because he was handsome. On the other hand, his violence was so incredibly woman hating and his insouciance about that wound up being pretty depressed. I had broken facial bones. I had a broken arm and crushed finger. I had five skull fractures and multiple contusions on my head. Is that man in the courtroom today . Yes, he is. Would you point him out for us, please . Are you prepared for a guilty verdict . I think so. But you never know. Ive never had to go through this before. After 6 1 2 hours of deliberation, the jury had a verdict. 32yearold Theodore Bundy remained composed as he listened. Guilty of firstdegree murder in the strangling deaths of two Florida State University Sorority sisters 19 months ago. It is therefore the sentence of this court that you be sentenced to death by a current of electricity, and such current of electricity shall continue to pass through your body until you are dead. In some ways, ted bundy is an icon of the 70s. He mixed kind of showbiz and violence in a way that had never been done before. At the end of the 70s, weve had a destruction of our innocence that we had at the beginning of the 70s. It became an era when americans began to expect the worst. America had certainly lost its way. Criminals were lauded, and killers were romanticized. It was the news media that helped carry this message that america is a dangerous place, that americans had a love affair with violence. Actually, it was much more like a marriage. And that marriage for some people was till death to them part. For a time, social scientists described the wave of violence that struck our cities as an epidemic. And they identified some of the causes, poverty, broken homes. For some, violence has become a permanent part of the fabric of life. Sociologists call it a subculture of violence. The current wave of Violent Crime is well into its second decade. While we have deplored violence, weve not done much about it. Perhaps this is because confronting the problem of Violence Forces us to confront the most serious defects in our society. A monster my world a madman. I run with a pack of wolves and i got to be a wolf. A master mind of one of the most horrific killing sprees in u. S. History. What do you think will happen when i get out . The savagery that went on that night. It is income pre hencible. Charles manson transformed a group of young women into vicious killers