could get worse. >> the next one should be around 20. i was thinking this one might be as much as 20 but we had a big decline in the labor force as well. so the numbers are going to be probably, is probably going to be best to look at as you said the 22%, it will probably be 25% in the next report and then hopefully from there, it will start to head back in the right direction. >> wow. >> those are depression-era numbers. it's just remarkable, devastating. today's numbers already the worst we've seen since the great depression. let's get to cnn chief business correspondent christine romans and douglass holtz, former director for the congressional budget office. thanks to both of you. christine perhaps i'll begin with you. this caught my eye today, a poll in the "the washington post," when people were asked will they get their jobs back, do they expect to, 77% answered yes, likely. is that likely? >> oh, we certainly hope so, don't we? a lot of those are furloughs and temporary layoffs so we know there are companies who have kept people on the books and paying their health care as they go and get those federally enhanced unemployment benefits to tide them over but the speed of this is just devastating. let me show you this one picture over a couple of months, 21.3 million jobs lost, over two months. how does that compare with the great recession? it took months during the great recession to lose 8.7 million jobs so this is already worse than anything any of us can remember, and this is ten times, ten times the worst previous record for job loss. 20.5 million jobs lost in one month. last time september 1945 was the last record, when japan surrendered and america shut down its big industrial war machine so you're seeing the losses across the board here. half of restaurant workers lost their jobs last month, half of them and jobless rates spike for women, people of color, and teenagers in particular. >> yes. there you go, christine. that is just so telling, and douglas holtz eakin, let's build on that. the economic pain is not equally shared. it's just not and you see it with african-americans at almost 70% unemployment and hispanics almost 19% in this report. >> yes, there's no question about it. you see big jumps up to over 16% for blacks, almost 19% for hispanics. this is an enormous amount of pain, and we see it spread unequally across the economy so hopefully the recovery will be unequal and we'll get those folks back to work first. i think, you know, this is a staggering report, not unexpected, but trying to digest losses of this magnitude is really very hard. the one thing that stands out to me and i want to echo something that christine touched on, in the report of the 20.5 million lost jobs over 18 were described as temporary layoffs. we want to make sure that turns out to be true, that we get enough support for the economy, that those people can get back to work and relatively quickly. that's the challenge now. >> we're going to bring in john harwood now at the wtev-shaped recovery, everything will bounce back very quickly. does the white house have data to back that up or is that the presid here? >> reporter: i think it's mostly cheerleading. nobody has data to back this up because we've never been in an experience like this before. what you saw from the president this morning interviewed by "fox & friends" was two-fold response to say it wasn't his fault, this was a deliberate shutdown of the economy. he said even the democrats are not blaming me for these unemployment numbers and the other as you mentioned was to cheerlead for a rapid turnaround. take a listen. >> we had the strongest economy in the history of the world, the strongest economy we've ever had, and we had to close it, which is artificial. we artificially closed it. those jobs will all be back, and they'll be back very soon and next year we're going to have a phenomenal year. people are ready to go. we got to get it open. and safely. people are ready to go. >> reporter: so he says they'll be back very soon. next year is going to be robust. i would point out that when i talked to doug holtz-eakin last week he said to me, doug, you'll remember, this is not going to be a "v." let's face it, we have to start preparing for what the new shape of the economy is going to be after this crisis passes. >> yes, and doug, to build on that, you ran the congressional budget office, and on april 24th, the cbo just put out their, you know, non-partisan numbers and they say unemployment even at the end of 2021 is going to be 9.5%. so they see something very different than what the president is promising the american people. >> yes, i think that most forecasters do see a return to growth in the second half of this year, so that's a great piece of news, given it's going to fall at essentially an annual rate of 40% in the second quarter, but that's not going to get us back to levels of economic activity, that we had in january. it's not going to get us back to levels of employment that we had in january. that's a much harder task and that's going to take well over a year to get accomplished. >> christine, tell us what folks at home who are watching this, what they should prepare for? you heard kevin hassett say to poppy in the last hour that he expects the next month's job report to be even worse, right, as if it could but yes it can apparently. how should americans expect this to play out over the coming weeks? >> i think it's going to be really choppy, and here's why. until schools open, you can't really have for example a two-parent working family. you can't go back to work. a single parent family. you're having trouble figuring out, a, how to get the unemployment benefits that you need, and b, trying to get child care, and maybe you're also trying to care for a parent or a grandparent. this is a really multilayered problem. you've got the health risk, which is so scary. you've got the job loss, which is devastating. you've got child care and parents situation. i think that for families this is really a unique moment here, and painful. every single one of those numbers, every one of those data points is just like a heartbreaking story, and there's just no playbook for it. >> no playbook, you're so right, christine. thank you very much, christine romans, douglas holtz-eakin, john harwood, appreciate it. >> she's so right there, that each one of those numbers, those millions is a family struggling to respond. >> 100%. now to the push to reopen the country, to help the economy, to help families like that. this time, sunday 47 states will be partially reopened. this despite the fact that only 11 states right now are actually seeing a steady and consistent decline in cases. >> this cnn learned over 1,000 employees in a meat processing plant in iowa have tested positive for d dianne gallagher has more. first stephanie elam in los angeles with somewhat lifting restrictions today. >> reporter: feels like a big moment here in california to some extent, poppy and jim. what we're looking at here is that the state is saying that the data here shows a stabilization in the hospital rates. it's time to start loosening some restrictions we've seen. some manufacturing can come back online, some construction, rental cars, all of that can come back. they're also saying that curbside and delivery for retail can now going to be available for some businesses, so that would be maybe a toy store, clothing, sporting goods, but they're also saying florists fall into the category which is a big deal. they missed much of the time of the year that they have most ofy is this sunday, so we talked to the woman that owns this business here behind me, diana's flower, named after her daughter, michaela is saying that this is a different time, though, and how she's going to operate her business is going to be different. take a listen to what she told me. >> i am not going to open yet, no. i am not going to open for walk-ins. we are going to do, even if it's until the end of the year, we are just going to do online and curbside pickup. i'm not going to open for walk-ins. >> reporter: and one bit of sunshine for people in her position, she says she sees orders coming in are larger because so many people can't be with their mothers or the people they want to honor on mother's day so that is one bright spot but still probably not enough to make up for what they lost, jim and poppy. >> diana gallagher, stunning numbers here, a single meat plant in iowa, a thousand employees at tyson sickened. there was a big push to close this plant for weeks. it stayed open. what happens now? particularly as the president has ordered a lot of meat processing facilities to open, despite outbreaks like this? >> reporter: yes, and it did stay open for a little while as the community around it was asking it to close. tyson did close this waterloo plant for almost two weeks. they reopened for the first time yesterday for the slaughter side of the plant and then today they're bringing back the processing, but the county announced 1,031 of the roughly 2,800 employees there have tested positive for covid-19. now, just the day before, iowa governor ken reynolds said that 444 employees of that plant tested positive. and it appears it's not that the number doubled. they're just using different numbers here. the governor's going with only the number of employees that have tested positive from the on-site testing at tyson. meanwhile the county is going with anybody who is an employee of tyson, including those who tested positive on site as well as those who went to local health care providers and those that have tested positive for antibodies in that serology testing. something else to point out here at this point, jim and poppy, the blackhawk county health director said that again something we're seeing across the country, minorities being affected disproportionately here. 5% of the minorities in blackhawk county iowa are positive for covid-19 compared with 0.8% of the white residents. >> oh. >> wow. >> that is so telling. dianne, thank you, stephanie elam in l.a., thanks again. manufacturers of the drug remdesivir warning they only have enough doses for a fraction of the covid patients worldwide. doctors are not sure how to decide who gets it. plus from football to baseball, to basketball, small signs that sports may start to come back under restrictions. are the right precautions in place? 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>> every day you don't get a drug. it means more patients are potentially going to do badly because time is of the essence when you're talking about treating a virus. >> reporter: so doctors have to choose which of their patients will get remdesivir. >> we're in a tough spot. >> reporter: they're kind of asking to you play god, who gets the medicine and who doesn't. >> it's been challenging. i do believe that people who merited are not going to get it because we don't have enough. >> doctors want to give to their patients who could benefit most but don't necessarily know who the patients are since the study on recommemdesivir hasn't been published. the national institutes of health sponsored the study and told cnn continue plans to publish a report in the next few weeks. would it be helpful to see the actual published results? >> oh, yes, 1 million percent. >> reporter: another mystery, why some hospitals were sent remdesivir and others not and how those hospitals can get the drug. the department of health and human services allocating remdesivir did not respond to cnn's request for comment. dr. chin-hong says he's asked and received no answers. >> what is the process of applying? we were told don't call us, we'll call you. >> reporter: gilead is ramping up production hoping to help a million patients by december but until there's more, doctors will continue to fight for their patients. also news about another drug hydroxychloroquine, that's the drug president trump has been so enthusiastic about. last night, a study was published largest study of its kind in one of the most prestigious medical journals of the world, the "new england journal of medicine" showing it didn't work in hospitalized patients. maybe it will help prevent it or help people early but does not seem to work in hospitalized patients. >> you have to take time and look at the studies before the treatments get advertised as the solution really. elizabeth cohen, thanks very much. let's talk about this with ann roh moan, epidemiologist and director of the ucla center for global and immigrant health. good morning to you, ann. >> good morning. >> could you hear elizabeth cohen's reporting on remdesivir there? >> i did. >> so that is an impossible decision for doctors to be making, who gets it until the supply gets ramped up and it sounds like that's going to take a long time. where does it leave us as a country? >> well, i think it's, you know, a problem that with supply chain and being able to ramp up. we have a very unique situation here, an unprecedented situation where we're coming up with drugs as fast as we can, and then they have to get into production, and production takes time, and distribution takes time and we are still in the very early stages. we don't know about the efficacy of this drug. we only have very small pieces of information at this point that it shortens the number of days in a hospital, and so we're in very, very early days, so you know, the fact of the matter is, we still don't have treatment that we are able to use in masks, we don't have the appropriate testing or a vaccine so we're in early days. >> on the other drug that was touted so much by the president, not just touted but he talked about buying up millions of doses for the national stockpile that is hydroxychloroquine, this new study that elizabeth just mentioned showing no efficacy, that it really didn't do anything to help covid patients. is the time as a country to move on from any hope placed in that? >> i think that this just underscores the need for rigorous randomized clinical trials to be sure we know the utility of the drugs that we are going to be using, and this is just -- this is why there was so much discussion early on about what we know about these drugs, what we don't know. it's understandable, everybody wants to have therapeutics that are ready, and able to be distributed to the rest, to everybody, but the point is, we don't know what works, what doesn't, and if there are any side effects. you have to know these things before starting to distribute them widely. other wiles it's just false hope. >> one thing we do know that is promising and probably the best news i've heard all week, if not in a couple of weeks is what the "new york times" reported about this new study that gives us a lot of insight on antibodies, and immunity, right, because we didn't know before this study how effective having antibodies to coronavirus might be. this says "nearly everyone who has had the disease regardless of age, sex or severity of illness makes antibodies to the virus." the study hints anyone who recovered may return to work safely. of course it's unclear how long protection might last, but is that as promising as it reads? >> i think this is a great first study that shows that antibodies do exist after infection, and that there is some potential for immunity, but again, we don't know how long it lasts, and if there are differences in certain people who may have immune deficien deficiencies. we still don't understand everything we need to know about what kind of, what happens in particular in asymptomatically infected individuals and what kind of immunity they may have, and really and truly this issue of how long does immunity last, and can people get reinfected, because it could be that you have partial immunity. you may not have full immunity and so these things are going to be very important to be able to understand, so that we know who is protected, who isn't, and the extent of immunity. it's all very promising, it's important work, but there's still more to do. >> for sure. thank you so much anne rimon, department of epidemiology at ucla. appreciate your time. >> it's my pleasure. now a critical update on the story we brought you earlier in the week, weeks after an african-american man was shot and killed, there is he, ahmaud arbery, just while jogging, a former police officer and his son have now finally been arrested, and they've been charged with murder. open and we're here to help. if you have an essential eyecare need, visit our website to get connected to one of our doctors. visionworks. see the difference. it's just that it's... lavender, yes it is. old spice, it's for men. but i like the smell of it. 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>> jim, it's a hopeful plan for the nfl. this is the one league of our big four that has been able to skate through here without missing major events and of course held a virtual draft a couple weeks ago that was by all accounts beloved and really fun to watch on tv. so the nfl has got the luxury of time. these other leagues are playing right now, major league baseball and nba and nhl, missing valuable time right now. the nfl is going to start september 10th, that's the plan. they've also built into that new schedule, they just announced they built in, jim, four weeks where they could if they had to lose all four weeks or maybe two of those four weeks made the schedule such there would be home and away games to cut those and if they have to start in october, they could pull that off. >> listen, i watch the nfl draft like it was game seven of the world series. folks are desperate for live sports but there are genuine concerns here about safety. after all, you pack a lot of people in to stadiums for games like this. whether it's football, baseball, basketball, is it likely they're playing to empty stadiums, if and when they do come back? >> empty stadiums, jim, spectat spectator-less sports, add that term to the lexicon with flattening the curving, social distancing, or potentially staggered seating. in other words so a 60,000 or 70,000-seat arena might have 15,000 or 20,000 people in it max and for example if you want to get popcorn or a drink, that would be staggered. you'd be called and you could come up and get it or delivered to you. staggered entry, staggered leaving. you would leave the stadium at the time that you're assigned. this is by the way if we have football at all. if we have the nba at all, any of these sports. i think there's a question whether any of it will start on time but there is hope and sports being an escape a lot of people are hopeful and trying to remain positive. these are just plans, nothing is set in stone. >> let's talk baseball here, because major league baseball reported to preparing to present a return plan proposal to their players and the idea being there would be a shortened spring training in june, and then the season starting as soon as july. notable is major league baseball stops paying its players after may. money imagine that is a big driver here, is it not? the major league baseball plan likely? >> again, you know, we have no idea. that's the headline here i think for almost everything we're talking about. there's no way unless we could get in a time machine and go to september, then i'll come back and tell you. having said that, baseball's plan is an interesting one. they're going to have three different divisions and you'd have the yankees and the red sox playing the nationals, and the phfillies and the metsphillies e mets and that would be fun to watch if it happens. you're right, money drives a lot of this and for example college football is a big conversation. those coaches are probably the antsiest to get back but the money situation getting kids back on campus, students back on campus in the fall for these universities and for these billionaires and millionaires in baseball, nba, same thing. money is going to start driving this, except for the fact that even a bigger deal of course are the governors and the mayors. they're the boss of sports right now. governors and mayors. they're in charge. the officials and the health officials are driving this, roger goodell said that in a statement last night from the nfl. >> final question, just quickly, is it likely that fans see live sports before the year is out? >> well, yes in the sense of for example nascar next week is coming back in darlington may 17th so nascar would be the first ufc, the fight championship is this weekend, a little different. i to think there will be sports. i think most of it will be without spectators, but as you know, jim, it's a tv show for most people, sports are. i love going. you love going to games but in general a lot of people watch it on tv so that's how you start to recoup the money as well. that's the economic principle as well as giving fans something to watch. >> indeed. well, given safety, a lot of americans eager to see something. christine brennan, thanks very much. >> jim, thank you. the coronavirus pandemic could have put their farm out of business, right? pennsylvania family was told they'd have to dump their milk, the supplier wasn't going to buy anymore but they had a better idea. they'll be with us next to talk about what they did but first, most of the world's plastic trash never gets recycled, but one man wants to change that. he's getting conditions like procter & gamble and nestle to switch from using single packaging to reusable packaging. watch this. >> reporter: tom zackey is on a mission to eliminate the concept of waste. >> the act of throwing something away isn't bad. it's incredibly convenient. the problem is where it ends up. >> reporter: and it's a big problem. about 91% of plastic waste ever created has never been recycled. >> we went to all these major companies saying here is this new big idea. come take a risk on it and let's ideally change the world in the process. >> reporter: he called the big idea luoop. buy the same household products you love plus a small deposit and we'll send them to you in durable reusable packaging. when you're done, return them to be cleaned, refilled and reused by someone else. >> i believe that asking the consumer to change anything is an uphill battle. the more we make it feel like a disposable lifestyle, the eelsier it will be to get mass production. >> reporter: how hard was it to sell to companies? 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the community is lining up for more than an hour to get your milk. >> yes, well my husband and i really did not want to waste. we are really against that. so when we were already bottling about not white half of our milk and then the milk company gave us the call to dump their half they were picking up, so we can only pasteurize about 30 gallons at a time, and it takes about three hours, so we just did a call out on facebook and vowed to marathon pbottle to not dump any of the milk and we are still marathon bottling around the clock, 24/7 so that none of that milk is wasted. >> we're so glad you're doing it. it's interesting, i go to the grocery and groceries have limits on how much milk you can buy because people are flooding and supplies are uncertain. i wonder, is this a model that you think other dairy farmers can copy perhaps so that they don't have to waste milk, too? >> it would be a fantastic thing. it would be circling around back to the time of the 1950s and '60s, when they had home delivery and where a small dairy farm produced themselves, with their own establishment, and it would be a very helpful thing for dairy farmers to do it, but it is not an easy thing to set up and get going. it took us a while and that was three years ago when we set it up but it is definitely beneficial for a dairy farmer to look into doing this. >> sure, if you can have lines like that, i mean i don't know if people understand, guys, if we can pull up this picture, those cars in line are all people waiting to pick up milk from you guys, which i think is pretty extraordinary. if you can get lines like that, the margins are higher, if you don't have to sell through someone else. they say necessity is the mother of invention. is that what it was for you guys? >> yes, absolutely. so we definitely did not want to dump that milk, and we didn't know how it would go. we didn't know if we'd be able to bottle it all and have the community show up to get it, but boy, did they respond in a big, huge way, and when i would go through the line and talk and interact with people, the main reason they were here is because we have the principle of not dumping that, not wasting that, and we even had some, working with a ministry that's giving out our milk with their food boxes once a week and that's whey really wanted to come out of it, to show that we're not, not only are we not wasting but we are doing something to help the community and help the people in need. there are so many people struggling and that was our thought, not to waste that milk when there are so many people struggling right now. >> i have a sister named knellie. tell me if i could buy a t-shirt, that's important. before i let you go, knees times are challenging for a whole host of businesses, farmers included. this farm has been passed down in your family for generations. can you make it through? >> we have a lot of local farmers to do the same thing and we are encouraging them. there's a market for what we're doing. people are going back to wanting to know where their food is coming from and there is definitely a market so when ear encouraging the farmers to look at what we do, to try to make it happen. >> i'd buy your milk nofor my ks if i could. mary beth brown, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> make sure you get jim that t-shirt, his sister will appreciate it. thanks mary beth, take good care. >> thank you. this pandemic has been hard on so, so many people out there, one bright spot has been friends and family and neighbors stepping up to help through the crisis. >> yes, see it there with a dairy farm, too. now the cnn heroes team has partnered with the music superstar alicia keys on her good job challenge to celebrate the unsung heroes she sings in "good job" and give viewers opportunity to say thank you. ♪ good job, you're doing a good job, a good job ♪ >> i know you so amazing people in your community who are your hometown heroes you're think being right now and really wanted to tell them -- ♪ you're doing a good job, a good job ♪ >> katie is my high row because she's a nurse and keeps all the sick people healthy. >> thank you and good job to the doctors and nurses on the front lines who are working tirelessly through all of this. >> thank you to all of the million unknown faces out there who are risking their lives. >> thank you to our health care professionals, the first responders, the grocery store workers. >> my mom is a care worker and i'd like to thank her. >> we're the front line workers, thank you for your sacrifice. >> good job to my twin sister, angela, she lives in tennessee, working with young people in the middle of this pandemic. >> to all of those helping us living through the coronavirus. ♪ you're doing a good job, don't get too down ♪ ♪ the world needs you now >> here is your chance. who inspires you? 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