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forever. we are learning new details from police and investigators and hearing new calls for gun control. but before that, i want to pause for a moment and i want to remember the most important thing of all, the two victims at the center of this story, alison and adam. >> i am a virginia girl. >> she was a shining star. >> i wanted to go through a sleep study to see if my job impacts how i snooze. adam and i work the same early morning shift, but have completely different sleep schedules. >> a 24-year-old reporter. colleagues say she never shied away from a story. unfailingly positive. relentlessly hard working. >> in salem, adam ward. >> and her photographer adam ward. >> i have to bring him out. adam, come out from in front of the camera. he is the ugly stepmother. and just looking absolutely gorgeous. >> the pair beginning at interns at wdbj in roanoke, virginia. >> hey, everyone, i'm alison parker. photo journalist adam ward and i are putting the final touches on our special report. >> parker was in a relationship with chris hurst. >> i lost the love of my life. it was not slow and it was incredibly painful and it was immediate. >> ward was engaged, and it was supposed to be her last day at work before moving to a new station. instead, she watched her future husband get shot and killed. >> the most horrific thing is that she was in the control room and watched it happen live. >> enter andy parker. >> i'm not saying let's take away guns. i'm just saying let's make it harder for people with mental issues. >> alison's father, and a new call. >> there has to be a way to force politicians that are cowards and in the pockets of the nra to come to grips and make sense of -- have sensible laws so that crazy people can't get guns. >> a murder captured on live television. a snapshot in time on social media that took our breath away. an evolution playing out before cameras and the country. >> it's been gut wrenching for me to try to get through anything without breaking down in tears. >> of a father now trying to remember his daughter and her co-worker. >> alison was a force of nature. and i think that her life is going to have meaning not just as a journalist, but if we can effect meaningful changes in our gun laws here, you know, this senseless act, this senseless murder will not go in vain. this stuff won't go away. you cannot let this die. >> absolutely not. i do also want to give you an update that we've just gotten today on vicki gardner. she's the head of the local chamber of commerce who was shot in the back, survived this tragedy. she is still in the hospital. she has undergone two surgeries. her family issued a statement saying she is recovering well. they say they are so grateful for the overwhelming love shown by you in support of vicki these last few days for the countless prayers, flowers and phone calls. thank you from the bottom of our heart. you heard at the end of that piece alison's father pleading to have his daughter's murder make a difference. i want you to know that on this program tonight, we will not be naming the shooter at all. we will only be showing his picture when it is absolutely editorially necessary. we do this out of respect for the victims. it is their lives that we will honor. joining me now, cnn contributor casey jordon, she is a criminologist and an attorney. thank you for being with me. >> always a pleasure, poppy. >> we just heard from alison parker's father saying this is his mission. he will push for what he calls sensible gun laws in this country, saying he does stand by the second amendment. when you look at this, his daughter's murder, legally purchased two handguns. he had no known criminal record. but he did have a long history of anger management issues at work. so much so, he was fired from two television stations where he was a reporter, including the one where the victims work. what does his behavior tell you about him psychologically? >> in terms of the shooter, we know that he was very difficult to work with for years. so when everyone says well, he got it in his head to kill his colleagues in the last two years, you have to realize that he had felt maligned, persecuted, picked on, bullied his entire life. and we have records of this going back to his firing from a different station in 2000. so i think our takeaway from this is we look forward to the future in terms of policy changes. guns is going to be a huge issue, but employment law and confidentiality issues are going to be huge, because people who have mental disorders, perhaps who have never been committed, never seen a counselor, never sought out medication or a psychiatrist, can still be extremely dangerous, and there has to be a way to protect the public while still protecting the rights of others. currently, the system is not working and i think last week's murder really proved this. >> it's a great point. we're going to be speaking with an attorney about that later in the program about that line that employers walk, what they can do, what they should do, and what they're legally responsible to do. >> let me ask you about this. in his car, police found getaway disguises, three different license plates. he had a rental car, swiped out his own for that. do you think this was someone with the mindset that believed he could get away with this? >> no, i don't think he ever planned to get away with it. i think the proof is this 23-page manifesto that he faxed to another news network that included something called suicide notes to his family and friends. he knew he wouldn't survive this. when you see these kind of rampages, these massacres, the shooter knows that he is going to die at the end of it and is prepared to commit suicide. what gives him the strength to actually start fantasizing about how to make the ultimate statement before he goes out in a blaze of glory, or sometimes at his own hand. but the key is that he wanted to stretch it out for as long as possible after attacking these two journalists. he had the car prepared. and most disturbing, he had the footage that he tweeted about. but this is what's really dark. he wanted to get away with it so he could connell with the social media terrorism for as long as possible before dying. >> casey jordan, thank you for the analysis. incredibly disturbing. we'll see if this things the way things are handled. his station saying they did everything that he could, he was fired and went through anger management. we'll talk more about that later in the program. casey, thank you. i also want to tell you about some more horrible gun violence, this time in texas. police near houston hoping someone will identify a person who shot and killed the sheriff's deputy last night. deputy darren goforth was filling up his car at a gas station when someone walked up and shot him. deputy goforth was only 47 years old. he's survived by his wife and two children. here's our nick valencia. >> reporter: police say it appears to be an unprovoked execution style killing. >> a witness called 911, let us know one of our deputies had been shot, multiple units arrived, ems arrived on scene, unfortunately the deputy passed. >> reporter: the deputy is identified as 47-year-old darren goforth, a ten-year veteran who was married with two children. >> i have been in law enforcement 45 years. i don't recall another incident this cold-blooded and cowardly. >> reporter: authorities say the uniformed deputy was refueling his patrol car friday evening when this man caught on surveillance camera came up behind him and opened fire. >> the deputy then fell to the ground. the suspect then continued over to him. and shot the deputy again multiple times as he lay on the ground. >> reporter: the suspect then fled the scene in a red or maroon colored ford ranger pickup truck, also caught on surveillance camera. >> how bizarre is this? >> it's a very bizarre incident. people understand it's tough enough being a deputy and being in law enforcement in this country right now. but for people -- the way that they are right now, i have no words for what this type of person did. >> reporter: there's no apparent motive in the case. the deputy had investigated an accident about half an hour before the attack. police are looking into whether there's any connection. >> i think it's important to ask for the prayers of our community, for this deputy, his family, and our department family. >> reporter: nick valencia, cnn, atlanta. >> nick, thank you very much for the reporting. also this. heavy hearts along the gulf coast today as residents pause to remember the day, the day ten years ago when hurricane katrina changed their life forever. >> as we come, we thank you. >> a somber clarinet solo and a wreath laying ceremony mark the anniversary this morning in new orleans. you see bobby jindal speaking there. it was held as a mausoleum where 80 unidentified victims from katrina were buried after the storm. katrina unleashed a staggering loss of life, more than 1,800 people died as a direct result of the storm. for many survivors, rebuilding has been a hard-fought struggle and battles are still being waged to rebound. we will have much more on katrina's legacy coming up later this hour. still to come here, donald trump defending his comments about anthony weiner. >> she's married to a guy who obviously is psychologically disturbed. i think it is a very fair statement that i made, and a lot of people have congratulated me. >> we will explain why this is yet another twist in the clinton-trump showdown. our m.j. lee one-on-one with trump today. hear what he said about running television ads. that answer as well, next. donald trump back on the campaign trail today. he was in nashville in just the past few hours speaking to a tea party crowd. m.j. lee spoke one-on-one with the republican frontrunner. i want you to hear this. >> so far i haven't had to. >> will you? >> i will if it's appropriate. so far i would say i would have been in by ten or 15 million. i can't when it's all news all the time. all trump all the time. on cnn, right? >> reporter: who are you most likely to attack in your first tv ad? >> nobody. i just want to talk about my accomplishments. i'm not looking to attack anybody. >> reporter: so if you ran tv ads, it would be about you? >> i would actually rather have positive tv ads. >> reporter: you talked about the fact that you wouldn't mind raising taxes on yourself? >> i want the hedge fund guys to make more taxes. i know them. they're all supporting jeb bush and hillary. i want the hedge fund guys who pay very little to pay. they make a lot of money and a lot of it's luck. they pick a stock and all of a sudden they make a lot of money. i want the hedge fund guys to pay more taxes. >> m.j. lee joining me now live from nashville. so he's promising to run no negative ads. is he truly living up to that? >> reporter: it's a pretty fascinating answer coming from a candidate who is so well-known for going after his candidates. even at the speech today, and this wasn't surprising, he went after some of his rivals like lindsey graham, jeb bush, not to mention he has been running what you could basically call attack ads, except they're not on television yet, on his social media accounts. you remember the ad that he posted to his social media account recently going after jeb bush and his family connection. take a look at that. >> i think it's a great country. there are a lot of great families. there are other people out there that are very qualified and we've had enough bushes. >> reporter: so it's a little hard to believe that if he were to start running tv ads, that they wouldn't be attack ads, but that's what he's saying for now. he does make an interesting point. so far in the cycle, he has been getting a lot of media attention, and his opinion, he can sort of ride that wave and doesn't have to spend money yesterday on tv ads. a lot of the other candidates have not started ding that yet. but that could change as soon as folks like marco rubio and jeb bush do start going on the air. >> right. we'll be watching for that. i also want to ask you about this. so he doubled down yesterday -- today, rather, on these insults that he threw yesterday about hillary clinton's top aide's husband. former congressman anthony weiner. he called weiner, and this is a quote from him, a "perv." he also suggested, and i have the transcript here, that she shared classified secrets hillary clinton with anthony wein weiner. he doubles down on that today. why? m.j., can you hear me? >> yeah, i can hear you. i didn't catch the end of your question. >> he doubled down on that attack against anthony weiner. what's the strategy here? >> reporter: well, it's interesting, we were talking about how he's so good at going after his fellow candidates. and when he went after a staffer, someone that works for hillary clinton, that's taking it to a different level, and i think questions are being raised about whether that's professional, whether that's something that a candidate should do. i actually asked him at the media availability, well, does that mean that you think your own staffers are fair game? and he answered yes. he wouldn't elaborate, but his answer was yes. he thinks that his own staffers could be attacked and he is perhaps expecting it. i do think that this takes the presidential cycle and, you know, what sort of fair game and what's acceptable to a different page i think, because so far the attacks have mostly been, you know, between the candidates. so are we going to sort of a new stage of the campaign where staffers are also fair game. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. we'll talk more about it later in the program. m.j., thank you, as always, appreciate it. >> reporter: thanks, poppy. >> you do not want to miss the second republican debasmt it will be right here on cnn on september 16th at the ronald reagan library in california. cnn also hosts the first of the six democratic debates october 13th from nevada, right here on cnn. still to come, the roanoke television news crew shooter. his troubled past and his checkered work history. we will talk to one of his former producers who says he saw his tempers flare time and time again with co-workers. we are back in a moment. matter? 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you noticed his anger and rage early on at work, didn't you? >> yes, i did, poppy. you know, as you know, and i'm sure by now a lot of people around the country know, news gathering is a team sport. and it can often be an unforgiving business. oftentimes people look and see the glamour. but behind the scenes, it can get down and dirty, and as a result, a lot of tempers and emotions come into play quite off. most of the time you keep going, but i think you have to come into this industry with the capacity to handle that and to mitigate that and i'm not so sure that mr. flanagan did at the time. he was in his 20s and this was a second job. but he didn't to me seem to have some of the prerequisite -- >> did he come across to you as so rageful, so angry, so clearly mentally unstable, insane that he could carry out something like this? >> no, not at all. i think he was a young man at the time who was very self-absorbed. probably a little bit more than most people that i've met in the business or this industry. i think he was trying to figure out his life and career. he had some obstacles and challenges. but as i noted before, one of the things he didn't seem to come prepared for and deal with is how to handle his emotions and how to take constructive criticism. a vital part of any growth, but a specialty in our business. >> yeah, absolutely. just an unbelievable tragedy. michael walker, thank you very much for joining us. everyone trying to get their heads around this still. >> thank you, poppy. > coming up next, ten years ago today, hurricane katrina, a city flooded, a dome heavily damaged, but a people resilient. our suzanne malvo live for us in new orleans. >> reporter: we're going to tell you the improvements ten years later after katrina, as well as areas that still need some work. we're also going to talk about specifically the school system, a dramatic radical change here in the city of new orleans. we'll have that up next. when you have a migraine, you'll reach for anything to make the pain go away. truth is, most pain relievers don't work like excedrin migraine. it relieves my pain starting in 30 minutes. that's fast! plus, sensitivity to light and sound. excedrin migraine. wow, that was fast. isn't it beautiful when things just come together? 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>> yes. >> great! hi five. hug. i'll take it. what are you looking forward to the most? >> math. >> awesome. love that. >> reporter: it's already one of the most sought after charter schools in the city. >> when i drop my babies off, i leave here with peace of mind because i know they're going to be taken care of. >> reporter: deborah stevenson has already seen a remarkable change in her two granddaughters. >> sky is wonder woman. she can do anything. and she tries. and because they give them that courage. >> reporter: for melissa, innovation and creativity is what her son tristan needed. >> i'm thrilled we were able to choose the type of school that would be tailored to my child. >> reporter: josh, founder and ceo, says the student body is about 50/50, black and white, from both affluent and disadvantage families. >> we believe that bringing kids together from diverse backgrounds is a great way to increase equity, to increase empathy. >> reporter: when hurricane katrina hit in 2005, the public schools of new orleans were considered among the worst in the country. the storm damaged and destroyed most of the schools, including ones like this, abandoned for ten years. the state of louisiana seized more than 100 schools, fired about 7,50 teachers and turned the buildings over to independent school operators, or charters. >> there was a narrative that was created that somehow everything and everyone here was broken. >> reporter: but some community leaders say this experiment has destroyed community schooling and has disproportionately benefited whites over blacks. >> this brand of reform that has been employed in new orleans, and then touted across the nation as some kind of miracle, is simply not working. >> reporter: but a study by tulane university shows that under the charter system, student achievement is up with 63% of students passing state assessment tests in 2013, a 30% increase since 2005. and graduation rates are up from 56% to 73%. >> can everybody do that? >> reporter: initially charter schools were able to recruit the most desirable students. now parents can rank their school choices and go through a centralized lottery process. >> we have no influence over who attends at all. >> reporter: parents say when a spot unexpectedly opens up at a good school, they run. >> when we got in, there were two spots left. and i said thank you, lord. this is for my baby. >> reporter: but some students do not get any of their choices, leaving some parents to question whether the program really works. >> i don't know that we're succeeding necessarily, in that the same sort of quality education is available for everyone. >> reporter: ten years now after the storm. >> we've gone from a school district that was an f to a school district that's about a c level. >> how was the first day? >> reporter: new orleans is still trying, and won't stop until they get that a. >> and some of those teachers, the 7,50 tea0 teachers who were fired, they took their case all the way to the u.s. supreme court. the supreme court is actually not beginning to hear their case. they're hope for some kind of compensation. some have already been absorbed into the is. another thing that has happened too is that some educators say look, be wary of the numbers, because there's a certain group of kids who just dropped out of school altogether and never came back into the school system. got to get those kids back in the schools as well. >> and so therefore, they're not even counted in those numbers. before i let you go, i know it's been a day full of beautiful, somber ceremonies. what's ahead tonight in new orleans to mark this ten years? >> reporter: well, this is going to be somewhat of a celebration. we have seen earlier today very somber memorial service for those, the 80 unidentified hurricane katrina victims. today it's beginning to be president clinton. he's going to be with the mayor, and it's going to be a celebration of resilience. it really is about the people, about the community, and moving forward. we have seen, poppy, in the last three days, three presidents. so it is very clear that this city is really a part of our history and a part of the legacy of so many people involved. >> absolutely. suzanne, you were there then, there now. fascinating report. thank you so much. you will not want to miss our special tonight. anderson cooper returns to the gulf coast for cnn's special report, "katrina: the storm that never stopped" tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern. still to come, the story of helen and chaz, a new orleans resident and golden retriever and a friendship that almost never happened. this is too cute to miss. next. is man kind? 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clutching their lifevests and inner tubes. on shore, most disappear into waiting taxis. one young man bitterly says if death wasn't chasing us we would not be trying this. by day, holiday makers enjoy the same beach. for them, the greek island destination is just part of the view. the remnants of the migrants' treacherous journey litter the shoreline. shoes, clothing, a discarded dinghy. this is just one of the many launch points that surround the turkish capital. mohammad arrived a week ago from syria. they wanted us to confess that we were coming to turkey to be trained to fight against them, he says. after enduring beatings, he says he was finally released. it is the pain of parents who thought they were saving their children, hardly able to comprehend that this is the europe they risked their lives for. >> people here are so angry, so upset. they can't believe that this is happening to them in europe. everyone who we have been speaking to here has been stuck in these conditions for the last four days. >> reporter: macedonian police opened the border for a few at a time. they stumble through, tightly gripping their children's arms. some collapse and are carried off. panic swells. young men throw themselves across. other refugees decide to make a run for it. bolting through any opening they find. darting across the fields. for the refugees, the trek is a pendulum of emotions. from elation at the small moments of respite to sheer despair. these woods make up part of the unmarked border between serbia and hungary, where migrants hide out under cover of darkness to evade capture. exhausted children slump on their parents' shoulders. others, like this 9-year-old, bravely declare that he's not tired. he's from syria. one of his relatives from the isis capital. it's famous, he jokes. a dark humor is all many have left in the face of all they have endured. arwa damon, cnn, hungary. more people have tried to cross the mediterranean into europe so far this year than in all of 2014. consider this number. 3600 people have died trying to cross into just italy, greece and spain by sea in just the last 12 months. they are trying to get out of syria, north africa, places where conflict, terror and poverty make this risk worth it for them, even risking their lives. but some officials think there is a different reason. at least one world leader believes there's a direct link between migrants flooding into western europe and the rise in terrorism. is that really the case? kimberly dozer with me now, cnn's global affairs analyst. let's begin with that. i'm talking about the prime minister of hungary saying there's a clear link between migrants heading to europe and the rising terror threat there. is that correct? >> you know, most european officials who are working with this problem say for terrorists, there are unfortunately easier ways to get to europe. they have the kind of wherewithal, they have the kind of cash influx, isis especially, that they can talk to smuggling groups and get their own ship all to themselves. they don't have to risk piling on to a leaky vessel with 300 or 400 or 500 other people and possibly not making it there. now, what could be going on is once those young people, many of them young people, military age men, get into those european countries, and find no job, no acceptance, that's when you get into dangerous territory. >> isn't that sort of painting with a very broad brush? clearly desperate people? what is your take on that? >> i agree. this is -- you're looking at both economic migrants and refugees who are fleeing war and have a legal right under international law to sanctuary. and you've got countries in europe that already feel like some of their resources are being overstretched by their own population and they're saying we can't let these people in because they might be terrorists. the fact of the matter is, the european union doesn't have a unified plan for dealing with migrants or refugees. the countries at the edges like hungary are supposed to be stopping them and sorting them out and kicking out the economic migrants and accepting the refugees, but this gives them an excuse not to do it. >> also want to ask you this. a former french intelligence agent who heads up the european strategic intelligence and security center in brussels said the islamic state has no need to export fighters from europe because it imports fighters from europe. do you think that's a correct assessment and also, do you believe isis is preying on some of these refugees, some of them who cannot find footing, a job or stability? >> well, you have two different groups of people. you have the young affluent europeans isis wants to recruit to do attacks in their own country by coming to syria, getting training and going back, or just staying where they are and learning what they need from the web. the self-radicalized attackers we have seen so far. then you also have the groups of refugees in camps and places like france, where they don't assimilate well and they don't have possibilities of getting a job, starting a family. what are their choices? those people eventually if something isn't found to give them some sort of safety net or some way to make them feel included, they're targets. >> kimberly, thank you very much. important analysis. up next, they have been buddies and colleagues for years. when we come back, one of the best friends of adam ward, the young photojournalist executed on live television this week, remembers him. i have type 2 diabetes. i started with pills. and now i take a long-acting insulin at night. i take mine in the morning. i was trying to eat right, stay active. but i wasn't reaching my a1c goal anymore. man: my doctor says diabetes changes over time. it gets harder to control blood sugar spikes after i eat and get to goal. my doctor added novolog® at mealtime for additional control. now i know. novolog® is a fast-acting, injectable insulin and it works together with 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