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Convention Center
to accommodate the more than 7,000 people who are expected to show up. Cnn political reporter sarah murray live in phoenix ahead of that event. Were monitoring these comments and well bring them to you live in just a moment from las vegas. But youve learned whos going to be introducing trump later today in phoenix, and its pretty significant. Yeah hes going to have a couple people with him onstage today. The one that you, i believe, are referring to is jemile the father of a young high schooler who was killed by an undocumented immigrant who came here from mexico and was a gang member. Donald trump met with him yesterday in l. A. And hes actually going to be bringing him with him here for this rally today. Theres also going to be another woman joining him onstage. Her son as well was killed by an undocumented immigrant. So you can see the theme here. Donald trump especially beginning to be talking about
Border Security
and the crime that occurs along the border and thats particularly significant in a place like arizona. Its also significant that hes going to be joined onstage by a big figure but a polarizing figure in arizona and nationwide
Sheriff Joe Arpaio
someone known for his im immigration policies. I wonder if you think that donald trump knew and intentionally has made immigration the key focus of this campaign or if it happened to him because of those remarks he made. Because in his announcement that he was running, he made a lot of controversial remarks about a lot of different things. Reporter i think this is certainly something weve heard from jump before in his past considerations about whether to run. I think probably even he was surprised to see how many people latched on to these remarks, and then to see him rise in the polls the way he did. I think the combination of those two things have allowed him and his campaign to believe that this is a winning issue for him and it does tap into a group of the
Republican Party
who is particularly concerned about
Border Security
. It does absolutely. Sarah, stay with us. Were going to listen in here to donald trump speaking in las vegas for a moment. Started scrambling and i thought probably id have to go outside, and if its a windy day, my hair will be blow. But it is my hair. It is my hair. [ laughter ] you can always tell a dishonest reporter actually a great story. But they said, but he wears the worst hairpiece ive ever seen. I said, i cant even give anybody that story. But that wasnt true. So i thought my hair would be blowing all over the place, because we have about 10,000 people. And its an amazing thing thats happening. Its an amazing thing thats happening all over the country. And for a while, as you know they were saying oh, trump wont run. Theres no way hes beginning to run. Why would he run . Hes not beginning to run. Some people said why would i run . Because i have a nice life. I have a great company. Its just things are sort of easy. And other people said oh hell never want to show his financials. Or hell never want to do this or that. Hell never run. So then i announced im running. Then i wasnt going to file my fec original filing. Because when you do that, youre making a very big step. And i filed it. And then they had oh but hell never put in his financials. Because maybe hes not as rich as people think. Not that it matters, but im much richer and youll see that next week. No youll see. I mean you know its like crazy. It is true. Youve heard that right . Hell never file. Because he doesnt want to show that hes not as rich. I said to myself, i want to show that im much much richer than people say. All right, were going to continue to monitor
Donald Trumps
remarks here and bring you some more in just a moment. But i do want to go back to sarah murray, who i believe we still have in phoenix, right . Hi sarah. Lets talk a little bit more about this. Because, look trump hasnt even to this point in his latest round of interviews he hasnt ruled out potentially running as an independent. Do you think that that is something that is scaring some fellow republicans even those that might not want him representing their party, think thinkingthink thinking 1992 . I think there are a lot of things that scare republicans about donald trump. That is definitely one of them. We can see that there is very little disincentive for donald trump. Hes definitely tarnished his personal brand. Thats not stopping him. You heard him say hes willing to release his financials. Its clear there are very few things that are beginning to force donald trump to the side. It would be a problem for him, because suddenly he peels away this corner of republicans who are very concerned about immigration, very concerned about
Border Security
and think donald trump speaks to that concern more so than the other republican candidates in the race. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, sarah. Shell be with us later in the show as we have that live event coming up in phoenix a little bit later. Most controversial comments about immigration. Those remarks linking
Illegal Immigrants
from mexico to drugs, and to rape. Those have erupted into a raging political debate. Lets talk about some of his comments and take a listen to some of who he told our anderson cooper. Ill build a better wall and mexico will pay. If we bring them out, mexico pushes back people across the border that are criminals, that are drug dealers,
Illegal Immigrants
coming in are causing tremendous problems. In terms of crime, in terms of murder in terms of rape. If somebodys an illegal immigrant, they shouldnt be here at all. There shouldnt be any crime. Theyre not supposed to be in our country. As anderson pointed out here are some of the facts from some of the studies. Researchers looking into the issue of immigration and criminal behavior after examining the evidence concluding there is essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime. Also, pew research quoting a 2014 massachusetts study finding that the crime rate among first generation imgrants those who came to this country from somewhere else is significantly lower than the overall crime rate in that of the second generation. Lets talk about all of it with ben ferguson and
Mark Lamont Hill
. Ben, we just quoted two studies. I have a long list, there are a number of studies that point to that same trend. I just wonder how long you think donald trump can stay this high in the polls, galvanize supporters when he is saying things like this that are not based in fact. Well theres a couple things here. One, you look at donald trump. He fell into this. This was pure dumb luck. When he came out in his campaign and started talking without a teleprompter which he bragged about him being brilliant. He had no idea the reaction to his words were going to make this the core center issue of his campaign. So this is not something he preplanned. This is just donald trump, dumb luck. He connected on an issue and he doubled and tripled down on it. The second issue is this. Donald would say i know in response. The person thats going to introduce me, ask them if your studies or your statistics matter because when you have someone thats killed by an illegal immigrant, or an illegal immigrant thats a drunk driver or raped by an illegal immigrant, the study doesnt mean anything to those victims of that crime. He obviously has a very legitimate point to make there. This is resonating with people because there are individuals in this country that have in fact been affected in a negative way by
Illegal Immigrants
who commit crimes. The same way that this guy had been kicked out of the country more than five times in california who made huge headlines by killing an innocent woman walking with her father. So the studies mean nothing to those families because theyve seen the illegal immigrant who murdered their child in front of them and held them until she died and that is the reason why donald trump is connecting with so many people. Were going to have one of those mothers on who was meeting with donald trump last night. Shes going to be on with us to talk about exactly what ben pointed out. Whats your response to that, mark . Well bens right about one thing here right . That these extraordinary, unusual stories will resonate with somebody because there is a kind of fear in xenophobia around mexican immigrants. There are those who will believe whatever you tell them. So donald trump is playing to the cheap seats, thats absolutely true. But it is important to acknowledge what the studies say. There is no correlation between these immigration patterns and crime. As you pointed out, these populations are actually less prone to criminality than the average american. So, no illegal immigrant is not causing the kind of crime that people are suggesting. And i think donald trump is playing a kind of cynical politics that may play to the cheap seats, but doesnt ultimately get him the
Republican Party
nomination. Most people will interpret it that way. Hes speaking about mexican people right now. Lets listen in for a moment. You remember the old days with castro when he emptied his jails and sent them all to the
United States
. Well mexico does similar things in a highly sophisticated and much more sophisticated manner. And we have people in the country, you look at kate, you look at i have a man whos a friend of mine. Jameel shaw. Hes with me. Where are you, jameel . Is he around here someplace . One of the finest people. Where is jameel . Will you come up here for a second . He was on one of the big shows on fox and cnn the other day. I never met jameel. And he was talking about trump. And i said oh no not more. How much can you take . And he was talking me. And then i turned on the sound, and he said theres nobody thats helped us. Weve been forgotten. The parents of children that have been killed by
Illegal Immigrants
. His son was killed by an illegal immigrant. And i said what he is doing now is so important in honor of his son, just say hello. And just give just a brief description, jameel. Because its so so important. He was with me last night, along with other parents of other children that were likewise killed. Real quick. I dont want to dominate mr. Trump. [ applause ] thank you. Thank you. Yeah i just want to you know like mr. Trump was saying. My son was murdered by someone illegally in the country. They were brought here when they were 4 years old and allowed to grow up like a wild animal pretty much. My son was walking home from the mall one day like everybodys kids do. Go to the mall on sunday afternoon. We went to a football clinic in pasadena on the way home. He asked could he go. I said yeah. Be home by 7 00. Around 7 00 i called him. I said, where are you . He said im going to be home soon. Caught the wrong bus. Be there in about another hour. I said ill get you a car. I called him again hour later. Where you at . Thats what i always say. Where you at . He said im right around the corner old man. Ill be there in a couple minutes. And then i heard two gunshots. I mean it was so crisp, like a gun range. Youd know that crispiness tells you how close it is. And i already knew i had a feeling in my chest. I went outside to see, and he was laying in the street dead. And i found out that the guy who did it was released from the county jail just like in san francisco, on his third gun charge. Somebody illegally in the country who had three gun charges already. Hes in jail now for battery of a police officer, resisting assault with a
Deadly Weapon
and gave him eight months in the county jail and let him out four months early. The same day he got out, he had the
Mexican Mafia
orders latino gang members to go out the same day, commit crime so you wont be rehabilitated. So its like an order. You have to go out the same day and commit crimes in the black neighborhood. So my son walking home from the mall, they were coming into my neighborhood just to visit a neighbor. My son ran over there and killed him. Just because he was there. You know he had a guy in the back seat with him that was there just as a reporter to prove that he got out of the car, shot him in the head with a big gun. You know he had a. 45. You can imagine a. 45 into a 17yearold kids head. Dont even have a chance. He was shot in the stomach. While he was laying on his back he had his hands up. They thought he was shot three times because his hands was just really damaged. He had a bullet wound in his stomach and in his head. And they found he was on his back like this and they shot him through his hands into his head. Thats the original hands up dont shoot. We hear the other stuff, you know i mean . [ applause ] that really happened. That really happened. And that day, like mr. Trump was saying, when i saw the tv man, everybody was calling my house. Did you hear what donald trump just said . Like yeah, you know i heard it. Everybody was so happy. My sister was saying for the first time she saw a smile, because i felt hope, you know . I knew there was change coming. People have to change. They want to compete with him. You know you have to change. You cant keep the same path you know . And mr. Trump is willing to go out there and sacrifice, you know his life. Like he said, he doesnt need money, he doesnt need power. Hes powerful already. He has a name. He has what he needs. But he loves america. And i saw that. I could tell. Why else would he be doing this . He loves america. Ae he wants to make it good again. I tell people all the time you know i trust donald trump, because if he can put himself out there like that for black people, because a lot of the latino and black crime is happening in the black community. Used to be all black. Now its all latino. So were pretty much in a different land, so to speak. If he can put himself out for us then i can trust him in everything else. Its like your dad. You know your dad say dont do this dont do that. And, you know you trust him that he knows whats good for you. And i see him almost like a dad. Almost the same age, so i cant really call him my dad. But hes the kind of man that you would want to be your dad. Successful. A loving guy. You see him in tv, you know youre fired, but you see him in real life. Hes a nice guy. I just learned that myself. In my community, i have a lot of black friends and a lot of them are liberals. But theyre ready to vote for trump now. They say, i havent voted in ten years. Havent voted in ten years. But im going to vote for trump. And people feel energized. And we feel happy that someone is willing to go out there and put himself out there for america. You can trust him, too. A spontaneous move there from donald trump speaking at the freedom fest in las vegas, inviting jameel shaw up to the podium. Speaking there. I want your thoughts on this because you just hear jameel shaw get thereupon and say its like your dad you trust him. He puts himself out there for black people. Mr. Trump is willing to sacrifice his life. He loves america. I mean that is powerful unscripted stuff, ben. How does that resonate with voters . Well heres the thing. One, this is raw and real. This isnt prescripted. This obviously is not something that they thought about probably even two weeks ago. And this is the reason why i think donald trump is connecting with people. Because they feel like hes bold and blunt enough and not going to be politically correct. I look at this i believe he honestly believes in donald trump. And if you had a son that was murdered in this way by an illegal immigrant and you see this and one candidate saying im not going to back down and im not going to be politically correct, im not going to be a politician on this issue, you can see why hes drawn to him, unlike all other candidates that seem many times so scripted and so cautious to
Say Something
blunt, and so concerned they might offend somebody in a certain community. This is exactly why his poll numbers are where it is. Can he keep it up there . I dont think he can. I think hes an opportunist that is seeing an opportunity and hes able to use it to his advantage. Mark . I agree with the last part for sure. Donald trump is an opportunist. I think all politicians are opportunists. I dont hold that against trump per se. But i do think that theres something particularly troublesome, almost unsettling about playing into the fears and anxieties and indeed the pain of families who have lost someone due to a tragedy. Yes, a white politician a white republican in particular who gets a black guy to say trump loves black people its a classic move. It makes sense for him strategically. But i dont think it resonates with black voters. I dont think it resonates with republican voters. I think ultimately it will look like someone who suffered to an awful tragedy and is responding in a certain kind of way. Trump is playing to their needs emotionally. Donald trump is a chameleon. Donald trump is someone that looks at the moment and figures out what side is is the best one for him to pick at that moment. Youve got to remember donald trump has given money to rahm emanuel. Hes given money to harry reid. Hes helped nancy pelosi. Hes given money to
Hillary Clinton
. This is not a guy thats a traditional conservative or a gop member. Quick break. Were going to be back with men and mark on the other side. A lot to unpack here. Stay with us. Tor. Yes when diet and exercise arent enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55 . Crestor is not for people with
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Mark Lamont Hill
and ben ferguson. I want you to listen to what
Lindsey Graham
said to cnn this week about
Convention Center<\/a> to accommodate the more than 7,000 people who are expected to show up. Cnn political reporter sarah murray live in phoenix ahead of that event. Were monitoring these comments and well bring them to you live in just a moment from las vegas. But youve learned whos going to be introducing trump later today in phoenix, and its pretty significant. Yeah hes going to have a couple people with him onstage today. The one that you, i believe, are referring to is jemile the father of a young high schooler who was killed by an undocumented immigrant who came here from mexico and was a gang member. Donald trump met with him yesterday in l. A. And hes actually going to be bringing him with him here for this rally today. Theres also going to be another woman joining him onstage. Her son as well was killed by an undocumented immigrant. So you can see the theme here. Donald trump especially beginning to be talking about
Border Security<\/a> and the crime that occurs along the border and thats particularly significant in a place like arizona. Its also significant that hes going to be joined onstage by a big figure but a polarizing figure in arizona and nationwide
Sheriff Joe Arpaio<\/a> someone known for his im immigration policies. I wonder if you think that donald trump knew and intentionally has made immigration the key focus of this campaign or if it happened to him because of those remarks he made. Because in his announcement that he was running, he made a lot of controversial remarks about a lot of different things. Reporter i think this is certainly something weve heard from jump before in his past considerations about whether to run. I think probably even he was surprised to see how many people latched on to these remarks, and then to see him rise in the polls the way he did. I think the combination of those two things have allowed him and his campaign to believe that this is a winning issue for him and it does tap into a group of the
Republican Party<\/a> who is particularly concerned about
Border Security<\/a>. It does absolutely. Sarah, stay with us. Were going to listen in here to donald trump speaking in las vegas for a moment. Started scrambling and i thought probably id have to go outside, and if its a windy day, my hair will be blow. But it is my hair. It is my hair. [ laughter ] you can always tell a dishonest reporter actually a great story. But they said, but he wears the worst hairpiece ive ever seen. I said, i cant even give anybody that story. But that wasnt true. So i thought my hair would be blowing all over the place, because we have about 10,000 people. And its an amazing thing thats happening. Its an amazing thing thats happening all over the country. And for a while, as you know they were saying oh, trump wont run. Theres no way hes beginning to run. Why would he run . Hes not beginning to run. Some people said why would i run . Because i have a nice life. I have a great company. Its just things are sort of easy. And other people said oh hell never want to show his financials. Or hell never want to do this or that. Hell never run. So then i announced im running. Then i wasnt going to file my fec original filing. Because when you do that, youre making a very big step. And i filed it. And then they had oh but hell never put in his financials. Because maybe hes not as rich as people think. Not that it matters, but im much richer and youll see that next week. No youll see. I mean you know its like crazy. It is true. Youve heard that right . Hell never file. Because he doesnt want to show that hes not as rich. I said to myself, i want to show that im much much richer than people say. All right, were going to continue to monitor
Donald Trumps<\/a> remarks here and bring you some more in just a moment. But i do want to go back to sarah murray, who i believe we still have in phoenix, right . Hi sarah. Lets talk a little bit more about this. Because, look trump hasnt even to this point in his latest round of interviews he hasnt ruled out potentially running as an independent. Do you think that that is something that is scaring some fellow republicans even those that might not want him representing their party, think thinkingthink thinking 1992 . I think there are a lot of things that scare republicans about donald trump. That is definitely one of them. We can see that there is very little disincentive for donald trump. Hes definitely tarnished his personal brand. Thats not stopping him. You heard him say hes willing to release his financials. Its clear there are very few things that are beginning to force donald trump to the side. It would be a problem for him, because suddenly he peels away this corner of republicans who are very concerned about immigration, very concerned about
Border Security<\/a> and think donald trump speaks to that concern more so than the other republican candidates in the race. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, sarah. Shell be with us later in the show as we have that live event coming up in phoenix a little bit later. Most controversial comments about immigration. Those remarks linking
Illegal Immigrants<\/a> from mexico to drugs, and to rape. Those have erupted into a raging political debate. Lets talk about some of his comments and take a listen to some of who he told our anderson cooper. Ill build a better wall and mexico will pay. If we bring them out, mexico pushes back people across the border that are criminals, that are drug dealers,
Illegal Immigrants<\/a> coming in are causing tremendous problems. In terms of crime, in terms of murder in terms of rape. If somebodys an illegal immigrant, they shouldnt be here at all. There shouldnt be any crime. Theyre not supposed to be in our country. As anderson pointed out here are some of the facts from some of the studies. Researchers looking into the issue of immigration and criminal behavior after examining the evidence concluding there is essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime. Also, pew research quoting a 2014 massachusetts study finding that the crime rate among first generation imgrants those who came to this country from somewhere else is significantly lower than the overall crime rate in that of the second generation. Lets talk about all of it with ben ferguson and
Mark Lamont Hill<\/a>. Ben, we just quoted two studies. I have a long list, there are a number of studies that point to that same trend. I just wonder how long you think donald trump can stay this high in the polls, galvanize supporters when he is saying things like this that are not based in fact. Well theres a couple things here. One, you look at donald trump. He fell into this. This was pure dumb luck. When he came out in his campaign and started talking without a teleprompter which he bragged about him being brilliant. He had no idea the reaction to his words were going to make this the core center issue of his campaign. So this is not something he preplanned. This is just donald trump, dumb luck. He connected on an issue and he doubled and tripled down on it. The second issue is this. Donald would say i know in response. The person thats going to introduce me, ask them if your studies or your statistics matter because when you have someone thats killed by an illegal immigrant, or an illegal immigrant thats a drunk driver or raped by an illegal immigrant, the study doesnt mean anything to those victims of that crime. He obviously has a very legitimate point to make there. This is resonating with people because there are individuals in this country that have in fact been affected in a negative way by
Illegal Immigrants<\/a> who commit crimes. The same way that this guy had been kicked out of the country more than five times in california who made huge headlines by killing an innocent woman walking with her father. So the studies mean nothing to those families because theyve seen the illegal immigrant who murdered their child in front of them and held them until she died and that is the reason why donald trump is connecting with so many people. Were going to have one of those mothers on who was meeting with donald trump last night. Shes going to be on with us to talk about exactly what ben pointed out. Whats your response to that, mark . Well bens right about one thing here right . That these extraordinary, unusual stories will resonate with somebody because there is a kind of fear in xenophobia around mexican immigrants. There are those who will believe whatever you tell them. So donald trump is playing to the cheap seats, thats absolutely true. But it is important to acknowledge what the studies say. There is no correlation between these immigration patterns and crime. As you pointed out, these populations are actually less prone to criminality than the average american. So, no illegal immigrant is not causing the kind of crime that people are suggesting. And i think donald trump is playing a kind of cynical politics that may play to the cheap seats, but doesnt ultimately get him the
Republican Party<\/a> nomination. Most people will interpret it that way. Hes speaking about mexican people right now. Lets listen in for a moment. You remember the old days with castro when he emptied his jails and sent them all to the
United States<\/a> . Well mexico does similar things in a highly sophisticated and much more sophisticated manner. And we have people in the country, you look at kate, you look at i have a man whos a friend of mine. Jameel shaw. Hes with me. Where are you, jameel . Is he around here someplace . One of the finest people. Where is jameel . Will you come up here for a second . He was on one of the big shows on fox and cnn the other day. I never met jameel. And he was talking about trump. And i said oh no not more. How much can you take . And he was talking me. And then i turned on the sound, and he said theres nobody thats helped us. Weve been forgotten. The parents of children that have been killed by
Illegal Immigrants<\/a>. His son was killed by an illegal immigrant. And i said what he is doing now is so important in honor of his son, just say hello. And just give just a brief description, jameel. Because its so so important. He was with me last night, along with other parents of other children that were likewise killed. Real quick. I dont want to dominate mr. Trump. [ applause ] thank you. Thank you. Yeah i just want to you know like mr. Trump was saying. My son was murdered by someone illegally in the country. They were brought here when they were 4 years old and allowed to grow up like a wild animal pretty much. My son was walking home from the mall one day like everybodys kids do. Go to the mall on sunday afternoon. We went to a football clinic in pasadena on the way home. He asked could he go. I said yeah. Be home by 7 00. Around 7 00 i called him. I said, where are you . He said im going to be home soon. Caught the wrong bus. Be there in about another hour. I said ill get you a car. I called him again hour later. Where you at . Thats what i always say. Where you at . He said im right around the corner old man. Ill be there in a couple minutes. And then i heard two gunshots. I mean it was so crisp, like a gun range. Youd know that crispiness tells you how close it is. And i already knew i had a feeling in my chest. I went outside to see, and he was laying in the street dead. And i found out that the guy who did it was released from the county jail just like in san francisco, on his third gun charge. Somebody illegally in the country who had three gun charges already. Hes in jail now for battery of a police officer, resisting assault with a
Deadly Weapon<\/a> and gave him eight months in the county jail and let him out four months early. The same day he got out, he had the
Mexican Mafia<\/a> orders latino gang members to go out the same day, commit crime so you wont be rehabilitated. So its like an order. You have to go out the same day and commit crimes in the black neighborhood. So my son walking home from the mall, they were coming into my neighborhood just to visit a neighbor. My son ran over there and killed him. Just because he was there. You know he had a guy in the back seat with him that was there just as a reporter to prove that he got out of the car, shot him in the head with a big gun. You know he had a. 45. You can imagine a. 45 into a 17yearold kids head. Dont even have a chance. He was shot in the stomach. While he was laying on his back he had his hands up. They thought he was shot three times because his hands was just really damaged. He had a bullet wound in his stomach and in his head. And they found he was on his back like this and they shot him through his hands into his head. Thats the original hands up dont shoot. We hear the other stuff, you know i mean . [ applause ] that really happened. That really happened. And that day, like mr. Trump was saying, when i saw the tv man, everybody was calling my house. Did you hear what donald trump just said . Like yeah, you know i heard it. Everybody was so happy. My sister was saying for the first time she saw a smile, because i felt hope, you know . I knew there was change coming. People have to change. They want to compete with him. You know you have to change. You cant keep the same path you know . And mr. Trump is willing to go out there and sacrifice, you know his life. Like he said, he doesnt need money, he doesnt need power. Hes powerful already. He has a name. He has what he needs. But he loves america. And i saw that. I could tell. Why else would he be doing this . He loves america. Ae he wants to make it good again. I tell people all the time you know i trust donald trump, because if he can put himself out there like that for black people, because a lot of the latino and black crime is happening in the black community. Used to be all black. Now its all latino. So were pretty much in a different land, so to speak. If he can put himself out for us then i can trust him in everything else. Its like your dad. You know your dad say dont do this dont do that. And, you know you trust him that he knows whats good for you. And i see him almost like a dad. Almost the same age, so i cant really call him my dad. But hes the kind of man that you would want to be your dad. Successful. A loving guy. You see him in tv, you know youre fired, but you see him in real life. Hes a nice guy. I just learned that myself. In my community, i have a lot of black friends and a lot of them are liberals. But theyre ready to vote for trump now. They say, i havent voted in ten years. Havent voted in ten years. But im going to vote for trump. And people feel energized. And we feel happy that someone is willing to go out there and put himself out there for america. You can trust him, too. A spontaneous move there from donald trump speaking at the freedom fest in las vegas, inviting jameel shaw up to the podium. Speaking there. I want your thoughts on this because you just hear jameel shaw get thereupon and say its like your dad you trust him. He puts himself out there for black people. Mr. Trump is willing to sacrifice his life. He loves america. I mean that is powerful unscripted stuff, ben. How does that resonate with voters . Well heres the thing. One, this is raw and real. This isnt prescripted. This obviously is not something that they thought about probably even two weeks ago. And this is the reason why i think donald trump is connecting with people. Because they feel like hes bold and blunt enough and not going to be politically correct. I look at this i believe he honestly believes in donald trump. And if you had a son that was murdered in this way by an illegal immigrant and you see this and one candidate saying im not going to back down and im not going to be politically correct, im not going to be a politician on this issue, you can see why hes drawn to him, unlike all other candidates that seem many times so scripted and so cautious to
Say Something<\/a> blunt, and so concerned they might offend somebody in a certain community. This is exactly why his poll numbers are where it is. Can he keep it up there . I dont think he can. I think hes an opportunist that is seeing an opportunity and hes able to use it to his advantage. Mark . I agree with the last part for sure. Donald trump is an opportunist. I think all politicians are opportunists. I dont hold that against trump per se. But i do think that theres something particularly troublesome, almost unsettling about playing into the fears and anxieties and indeed the pain of families who have lost someone due to a tragedy. Yes, a white politician a white republican in particular who gets a black guy to say trump loves black people its a classic move. It makes sense for him strategically. But i dont think it resonates with black voters. I dont think it resonates with republican voters. I think ultimately it will look like someone who suffered to an awful tragedy and is responding in a certain kind of way. Trump is playing to their needs emotionally. Donald trump is a chameleon. Donald trump is someone that looks at the moment and figures out what side is is the best one for him to pick at that moment. Youve got to remember donald trump has given money to rahm emanuel. Hes given money to harry reid. Hes helped nancy pelosi. Hes given money to
Hillary Clinton<\/a>. This is not a guy thats a traditional conservative or a gop member. Quick break. Were going to be back with men and mark on the other side. A lot to unpack here. Stay with us. Tor. Yes when diet and exercise arent enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55 . Crestor is not for people with
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Mark Lamont Hill<\/a> and ben ferguson. I want you to listen to what
Lindsey Graham<\/a> said to cnn this week about
Donald Trumps<\/a> rhetoric and what he thinks it could do more broadly for the
Republican Party<\/a> and the race for the white house. Lets roll it. When donald trump says whos done many good thing. He sponsors charities for wounded warriors. Hes given a lot of money away to good causes. But as a president ial candidate, he said the following. That most
Illegal Immigrants<\/a> are rapists and drug dealers and they may be some among them that are good. That is reinforcing a narrative between the
Republican Party<\/a> and the
Hispanic Community<\/a> that is going to destroy our ability to win a president ial election. Those are big words. Destroy our ability, our as a party, to win this election. You know the word destroy is somewhat misleading because it suggests that its not already destroyed or at least an extremely vulnerable position. I mean the
Republican Party<\/a> sadly has developed a brand that is connected to xenophobia or racism. Jeb bush just raised 114 million, a record for any candidate this early on in a race by a super pac. Thats very true. I think theres some popular republicans who can help break the cycle. Its not that all republicans are seen as racist but the assumption is if youre racist, youre probably a republican. I had a few friends who had the freudian slip of saying the conservative flag was being taken down. I said the confederate flag. Too often we link those two things. Im not saying its fair to republicans, but its certainly the narrative. I think donald trump reinforces it. Hes going to make everybodys job harder come this spring or winter. Does he make everyones job harder . Of course he makes everyones job harder. But the easiest thing for the actual republicans in the gop field to say is remind people that are jumping on this bandwagon, he is a fraud. He is not an actual conservative. There isnt another candidate running in the gop primary that would be able to survive giving 1 much less thousands of dollars to
Hillary Clinton<\/a> or harry reid or rahm emanuel or ted kennedy, for goodness sakes, or chuck schumer. Yet donald trump has supported all of those people for decades. And the
Republican Party<\/a> has not done a good job theyve done a terrible job. And the candidates have done a terrible job reminding people who donald trump is. He is a guy that is an opportunist and he saw the biggest void that he could fill right now in the gop primary, instead of going up against
Hillary Clinton<\/a>, who he supported just a couple of years ago. Ill tell you one thing, ben hes not the gop. Hes filling this void and being a blunt guy. Thats it. Ill tell you one thing, ben, you better hope he stays in the gop because if he goes independent, hes going to be a nightmare for you guys. Hell be the ross perot of 1992 i agree. Yeah a nightmare for your side. So ben, what do you do then . Because you have so many of these republican candidates saying
Lindsey Graham<\/a> he could destroy our chances. As mark points out, dont want them out of the party. The good news is this we are far away from election day and there is plenty of time. The candidates had a
Strategy Early<\/a> on almost all of them. Do not acknowledge the existence of donald trump and he will dig his own grave. Now what youre seeing is these candidates are coming out. We saw it last weekend, fourth of july. Jeb bush came out, made it very clear his thoughts on donald trump. Youll see all these other candidates that are in these polls that are beginning togoing to all
Work Together<\/a> to get rid of donald trump as fast as they can. Thats not something theyve implemented until literally a week ago today. Do you think, mark, that there needs to be a
Strategy Change<\/a> . Interestingly, it was someone whos not polling highly former new york governor
George Pataki<\/a> who really led this and came out and wrote that open letter and said look to my fellow candidates we have to be more vocal about what donald trump said. Whats the next step . Clearly the ignore him, he will go away strategy isnt working. I think they have to find a way to pull him off the stage. And the problem is when you have a guy who says wild stuff like herman kane in 2012 you can shame them off the stage. You can buy them off the stage. You can offer them a job in the next administration to get them off the stage. Trump is driven by ego. Driven by selfinterest and selfpromotion. He doesnt need the money. Although hes not as extremely rich as he likes to tell us. All those things make him very tough. Instead of telling him hey, youre doing a decent job, he needs to say hey, you need to get off this stage. Other than that isolation. Pretend he doesnt exist. Theres no one thats going to be able to get him off stage by donald trump. I was just going to say, i dont know that he would listen to that. Were going to get a quick break in here. Much more with ben and mark and well keep monitoring these comments from donald trump. Well be right back. Ach have to ride in a different vehicle. The
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York City Police<\/a> have already said theyre going to revise their training because clearly somethings not going right. Its not going correctly if theyre not dew pointing when stop and frisk is actually occurring. Is it because theyre is the report detail because they are scared of being called out on it . They dont understand what happened. They dont understand when theyre supposed to use it. Thats what the report says. You know when the federal judge said its unconstitutional they revised their policy but this report seems to show that the new policy is not clear to the officers who were actually out on the street. So do you know when are they supposed to use it . What are the criteria . Theyre supposed to abide by the constitution. So the fourth and 14th amendment, specifically the 14th amendment which says that you have to have a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. You know the policy in the past was a little too vague. And what critics said, and what the federal judge agreed with, was it amounted to racial profiling. An interesting part of this report was defining racial profiling. And defining what it means to the nypd and its explicitly said in the report that their new policy is that there should not be any racial profiling. No arrest or stop of a person based solely on their race. Right, absolutely. So harry, jump in here with us. Former nypd officer who has very strong opinions on this and i guess id ask you first what you make of the fact that this report found that some of those officers here in new york city arent feeling confident and are feeling misinformed about sort of the line and their personal legal liability and when they can use stop and frisk and when they cant. Ill tell you, cops are afraid out there. Like ive always been saying. The fact that youre going down there trying to be proactive in police work and looking for suspicious activity and then stopping somebody with suspicious activity. The problem is that as they found in the ruling that
Police Officers<\/a> do not know how to clearly articulate their reasons for a stop. Now, thats due to training. Those
Police Officers<\/a> need a lot of training in that position to be able to take the specific positions out there. Not only do you need reasonable suspicion to stop somebody and believe that a crime has been committed, but suspicious activity can also create a stop. So the suspicious activity where somebodys making a move on the street you see somebody hanging on the street and theyre touching a certain area usually a bad guy whos carrying a gun is touching an area all the time to make sure its there. Can we talk about chicago . On this show last weekend, we focused a lot on chicago. There was just a rampant sort of string of murders over the july 4th weekend. A 7yearold boy shot and killed. When you look at a city like chicago, the police chief there basically throwing up his hands saying i could add 10,000 more officers and this wouldnt fix the problem. Really asking for help. Chicago has stop and frisk, right . And its used widely. They might call it
Something Different<\/a> there but they have a form of stop and frisk. All
Police Departments<\/a> have a stop and frisk type procedure that they do when theyre making a stop based on a reasonable suspicion. But the problem here is that officers are afraid to get involved in maybe a certain instance where somebodys going to resist arrest and that resisting arrest will escalate to a point where either that person is seriously injured or killed. Just like what we had happen here with the eric garner case. And thats what
Police Officers<\/a> are really afraid of. Am i going to lose my house . Am i going to lose my pension . Am i going to lose my family because, you know especially when im acting in good faith. Police officers want to know that if theyre acting in good faith, then the city is going to back them whether theyre right or wrong. And this is the only profession where people believe that cops have to be right 100 of the time. All right, weve got to get a quick break in. Important news and the fact that they are obviously going to rejigger and change the training of the officers. Some republican president ial candidates have been working on their campaigns step by step for years. But they are all in the background because of one man right now, donald trump. He is a media celebrity, a politician with no filter and he is holding a news conference. Were going to bring you more of what hes saying next. When you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. Thats where at t can help. At t has the tools and the network you need to make working as one easier than ever. Virtually anywhere. Leaving you free to focus on what matters most. People with type 2 diabetes come from all walks of life. If you have high blood sugar ask your doctor about farxiga. Its a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. Along with diet and exercise farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. With one pill a day, farxiga helps lower your a1c. And, although its not a weightloss or bloodpressure drug farxiga may help you lose weight and may even lower
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Illegal Immigrants<\/a> that are horrible and terrible. There are also legal immigrants that are horrible and terrible. So its a question about rule of law. I am going to ask a question. Ask a question please. My question is did the government of mexico ask you to come up here and make this today . Oh, of course. Ask a question. I knew you were going to say that. Youve got a lot of people waiting. Would you build walls around all the states in the
United States<\/a> to prevent all of those rapists and killers that come from elsewhere in the
United States<\/a> in order to avoid the problem . No id build a wall no i would build a wall between our country and mexico. Because people come from all over the world let me just tell you. Sir, do you want to hear the answer . And all of the people because i encourage legal citizenship. I encourage it and i would encourage it and i would encourage hispanics and i would encourage people from all over. But what i dont encourage is people coming into our country illegally and i dont encourage where a
Government Forces<\/a> some people in that the government doesnt want. And these people reap havoc on our population. Thank you very much for your question. I appreciate it. Next question, please. Mave he said ive been expecting this. It was a little combative between the two of them. What do you make of his answer to the question . Well i think what this is showing us is that donald trump is beginning to have a lot of these confrontations ss across the country because of his comments. He did have this moving moment where mr. Shaw the father of a boy who was killed by an undocumented immigrant, came onstage just now. Hes going to be appearing with him later today in arizona. But you have a lot of ugliness kind of building around this debate that donald trump has started. I was in los angeles with him last night where he was speaking to a group of conservatives in hollywood. There were protests outside. There were
Trump Supporters<\/a> screaming at you know at immigrants who are here in this country, screaming back at them. It just feels like a very volatile situation that is starting to be created around this debate. The thing that people like about donald trump is that he speaks bluntly about these issues. And well see what happens later today in arizona. Mave, i think the question becomes what topic is next right . Ben ferguson one of our commentators was saying this really fell on trump, and then he has latched on to it and talked about it and it has resonated with a lot of people. But the question becomes, in a campaign that is so long what is the next topic . You know i dont know. I mean honestly the immigration debate has so many threads that this conversation could go on for the next year and probably will. It is an issue obviously that the republicans have had a lot of trouble talking about. Right now, certainly trump is sucking all the oxygen out of the race on this topic. But youre going to have to see other republicans come out and talk more about immigration and our relationship with mexico. Marco rubio, for example, did this morning talking about sanctuary cities and the need to really enforce the law. So its taking over and i think this debit will actually really go on for quite some time. All right. Mave reston for us live at the event. Were going to get a quick break in. More from donald trump. He continues to take questions from the audience in las vegas. Well be right back. E going on a trip, but they each have to ride in a different vehicle. The
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Foreign Policy<\/a> thoughts when it relates to the relationship between the
United States<\/a> and russia. Lets listen. Wounded warriors all over the place who i love. These are great people not being properly taken care of by the way. And we have nothing. And iraq. And there is no iraq. Lets face it. Iraq is just a name. But iraq is now meeting with iran about a takeover. And isis is
Building Hotels<\/a> in iraq. You believe it . Theyre building a hotel. Because they have so much money. Because theyve taken over so much oil. Were so stupid. We are led by stupid people. And im very proud of the fact that i was opposed and im a very militaryoriented person. But im very proud of the fact that article came up because all these republican guys and hillary voted for it who would be one hell of a bad president. By the way, she was the worst secretary of state in the history of the country. The worst. [ applause ] and now shes going to be president. And bush is so bad. Who would you rather have trump negotiating with china or bush negotiating with china . Ill give you the answer to that one. So anyway so we have to have a very
Strong Military<\/a> we have to protect our people and we have to have it so we dont even use it, but we have to have it. Because if we have it it wont have to be used. Donald trump, as he continues to take questions. Want to get mark and ben back in here. Who wants to go first . Hes trolling us. Go ahead, mark. I am convinced this is all a big practical joke just to get a response. He just said his
Foreign Policy<\/a> strategy is i want to have a military so that we dont have to use it because if we have it, we dont need to use it. Thats his
Foreign Policy<\/a> strategy. Ben . And also look at this guy and what hes actually done. Hes like can you imagine
Hillary Clinton<\/a> . Shed be the worst president in history. She was the worst secretary state in history. But i did give money to her campaign multiple times and gave more than 150,000 to the
Democratic National<\/a> committee while
Hillary Clinton<\/a> was one of the biggest players in washington. So this idea that everybody is terrible well of course everybodys terrible donald trump, because donald trump is the answer to all of our problems if you listen to him. Yet in reality, the people hes ripping on, he gave money to. He demonstrates go ahead, im sorry. I just wanted to get your take on the fact that he also said in remarks that we were monitoring essentially, jeb bush is nice but jeb bush wont take us to the promised i really think its also important to look at these numbers, these super pac numbers from jeb bush coming in the fact that in the first quarter, they were able to raise 114 million. That is the most of any candidate of any
Party Running<\/a> for the white house in that period of time this early on in a campaign. So its sort of jeb bushs money versus
Donald Trumps<\/a> mouth. I wonder what you think matters more, marc, in the long run. In this
Political Climate<\/a> of the last even 50 years, money wins out over everything. I told you guys this a few months ago. Mitt romney had some im not saying the guy with the biggest war chest always wins. What im saying is people who dont have money versus people who do tend to win. Ultimately if all donald trump has is his mouth and all jeb bush has is money, i would like to put that money on bush. He has a lot of personal wealth. The difference is heres the problem. If donald trump is using personal wealth the wealth is no longer a proxy for voters. Part of why having so much money is important, particularly with small donations as we saw in 08, it means lots of people support him. Jeb bush has a following. There are people who are becoming increasingly energized by jeb bush whether you agree with him or not. Im not sure people believe that about donald trump. Trump is targeting jeb bush. The last thing i want to say, his words demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of
Foreign Policy<\/a>. Its easy to understand that person will be a disaster that person will be terrible ill fix everything. He offered no concrete solutions. His understanding of isis is elementary at best. To say that
Hillary Clinton<\/a> is the worst secretary of state in the history of america is absurd. Do the voters respond, ben, more to complaints and criticism than to concrete solutions . Early on if no one else is saying anything yes. And thats why hes doing well. But he also does not have a principled campaign and thats what you see here. Look at jeb bush good example. He has a principled campaign. You dont want to peak too soon when youre running for the presidency when its virtually a twoyear run for the white house. You want to raise money, you want to set up an organization you want to have people in each state that are your main contacts who are connecting the dots to you and your campaign war chest. This is a very long ultramarathon and donald trump is out there acting like the election is on tuesday of next week when its tuesday of next year. So i think at some point you flame out because he doesnt have the infrastructure that you need to be able to do this long term. This is the moment in time and hes milking it for all its worth but look at his, even his strategies real quick. Hes not giving you any substantive plan on any issue. Hes just ripping on everyone else and saying that theyre poor theyre stupid or theyre incompetent and i am brilliant. Hes a disaster. How long can you keep doing that . I have to get a break in here but i will say you never know because i dont think a lot of people expected him to be polling as high as he is polling right now in multiple states. Stay with me. Well be right back. You wouldnt do half of your daily routine. So why treat your mouth any differently . Complete the job with listerine\u00ae. Kill up to 99 percent of germs. And prevent plaque, early gum disease and bad breath. Sfx ahhh listerine\u00ae. Power to your mouth\u2122 introducing the
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Great Colleges<\/a> right now playing football and learning and doing a great job after that. So you know the whole thing with executive order, by the way, its not supposed to be the way its done. Youre supposed to get congress to do and negotiate back and forth. Tip oneill, ronald reagan. He cant even get his own party to agree with him so he just goes around now and signs executive orders which will be involved in about five years in the slow court system. So i respect your attorney general very much so. Very much so. Yes, maam. Im from telemundo las vegas. In order to win election you have to have the latino vote. That is a fact. Promising jobs and money will not win you the vote. They care about immigration and we are not talking about building a wall or deporting everybody. What is your plan to deal with the millions of are you ready . I am going to create jobs and i will create a better country. We are talking about immigration. What is your plan . Wait wait wait. Mitt romney let us all down. Mitt romney ran a horrible campaign. He choked because in the four weeks before he wasnt there. I dont know what happened. In all fairness to obama, he was doing
Jay Leno David<\/a> letterman. Mitt romney failed and he failed horribly. The fact is that and nobody talks about this he did not energize the base. Many many conservative republicans stayed home. Is that correct, jeff . They stayed home. They didnt want to vote for him. If they get out and vote youre going to win. Jeb bush is not going to get those people to vote. That i can tell you. Okay. You didnt answer my question. Two more questions. Because im going to be in las vegas, i will see the same people. I know im going to like your question. The world trade center. He said 19 people blew up the world trade center. They were all illegal aliens. Oh thats true. I say that. I say it all. Mexico is one country, they are coming from all over the world. You have people coming from the middle east that are going right through mexico and pass the border. The people are coming, i always say that. This isnt just mexico. People are coming from all over the world and they are coming illegally into our country and they are coming from the middle east and we better be damn careful. Okay. How about one more because im going to see you in a few minutes in phoenix. Yes, sir. So mr. Trump, russell gray the real estate guys radio show. I will switch it to housing. Millions of people lost their homes in the last financial crisis. Lot of people think that was driven by fed policy leading up to it and then just the way the whole housing system has worked with the government involvement. What is a healthy housing policy . Such a mundane question. Hes a real estate guy. You are the ultimate real estate guy. Whats a healthy housing policy under the
Trump Administration<\/a> . Owning the home was the american dream. It became the american nightmare. But we will make it back honestly back to the american dream. Owning a home is so important. Its really a good question. Its a very complicated question but its a great question. Thank you. Yes. Mr. Trump, in your speech you say you get along with putin. What about china . I will get along with china, too. What kind of
Foreign Policy<\/a> i have the largest bank in the world as a tenant in one of my buildings. You know the
Bank Industrial<\/a> bank. Good bank right . Big . They pay me rent. They love me. I love china. The problem is the chinese leaders are much smarter than obama and his group of clowns. Okay . Okay. Notice they dont call me a clown anymore . Very interesting how that word disappeared. Do you understand what i said . Yes. I have
Great Respect<\/a> for china. I make a lot of money with china. I own a very big portion of the bank of america building in san francisco. I made a deal with the chinese, a really good deal. They will tell you that. I made the good deal, not them. You know what i have
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