The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. New york saying a crime is not a crime. What is going to be next . The skys not blue . Red is not red, an apple is a banana . It is just a bizarre world. And if thats a defense and thats what theyre going to put forward we are in for a crazy ride ahead. We may already be in one. Jennifer, to you. I just had last hour on a former law school classmate, good friend of rudy giuliani. Hes a former Assistant Prosecutor in watergate. He was just with me. He said that the fact that there is not an official Cooperation Agreement, at least that we know of maybe it is under seal between Michael Cohen and muellers team in the Southern District on this suggest that maybe the Southern District and muellers team dont even need Michael Cohens testimony and that could be a problem for the white house. How do you see it . Well, it is very interesting that Michael Cohen doesnt have a Cooperation Agreement here. It means that they havent been
able to reach that agreement, either because Michael Cohen in the end decided that he didnt want to be a cooperator, or because the prosecutors decided they didnt want to use him because maybe credibility issues or they didnt need him. So that could be it. It is very unusual for someone to plead guilty with a regular Plea Agreement, then become a cooperator later. So i dont expect at this point he will. Hes pled guilty and hes going to take his time and move on with things. They could still subpoena him for his testimony if they want, but it sounds like he wont be joining team usa. How, joey, likely is it, do you think if you ascribe to the belief that a sitting president the precedent that a sitting president cant be indicted. How likely is it that the Southern District of new york will not challenge that assumption and try to indict him . I think it is likely. Just backing up just a minute. I think that he is a cooperator. I just want to be clear about that point because i think it is
critical here. Implicit in his allocution that is when you allocute to a crime, what you are doing in court is you are giving an indication of what you did wrong. The element of finance Campaign Finance doesnt involve an element of directing and coordinating. I think implicit in his actual Plea Agreement is the cooperation because us that how he pled. Having said that, in terms of what the Southern District would do, i think we already know from mueller regarding the department of Juice Tis Guistice guidance because of the political process you arent going to indict a sitting president so leave it to congress. The question becomes, Will Congress have the will, given the development of events yesterday was historic. Manafort down eight counts. Now this information that he supplied. Cohen said basically that the president is a criminal, the president committed crimes. Will congress now have the stomach to go and otherwise investigate in the Midterm Election will have a lot to do
particularly if control changes to the democrats with what happens and if he is actually impeached. Just to be clear, jennifer, if the president did do what Michael Cohen said in his allocution yesterday which is that at the direction of the president i carried out these hush money payments, didnt disclose him, by the way, which would be the crime in it, to pay off a porn star and a playboy playmate. If the president directed him to do that, what kind of crime would that be . Well, its the same crime. The same crime that Michael Cohen admitted to would be the crime that the president could be charged with. As you mention, youre not allowed to take contributions to your campaign that are unreported. Its not the crime of the century, but it is, as weve been talking about, an actual Felony Offense and thats observation actually what the president would be guilty of, the same thing. In addition to what jennifer says which is spoton but in addition to that, conspiracy. With when you agree with another person to violate a law, you have conspired. That is a separate offense under federal law which carries significant jail time. So there are multiple crimes we are dealing with. What i want to know, poppy, is how long could congress sit by and do nothing and at the least, there has to be an investigation into this. Now my big problem here is the republican talking point, well, this is cohens word. This is cohens word. He says that this happened. If there is Documentary Evidence and proof which lanny davis says there is because of the president s own lawyer speaking, i think it means more. If theres hardcore evidence, its a problem. An manafort because the president this morning is playing it the way all of us thought he would, jennifer. Cohen, yes, found guilty on eight very serious felony counts, ten of them mistrial on those. The president this morning writes, a large number of counts, ten, could not even be decided in the Paul Manafort case. Witch hunt. I mean who won yesterday . Mueller on the manafort case . Or the president who sounds like he thinks he did on this. Well, Mueller Won Resoundingly yesterday. Theres no question. The sentence will be the same regardless of how many counts of conviction there were, as long as they got some of those more serious counts, the bank fraud counts, which they did. So there a he no question this was a huge victory for the mueller team here and a huge loss for manafort. Trump can try to play the numbers any way that he wants and, yes, there were ten counts that hung. They could retry them. I dont think that they will, in large part, because of what i said this is 100 a victory for the mueller team. Ploe Paul Manafort is going to prison. We have to wait out the Pardon Question kind of hanging over all of this. But, yes, definitely a win for team mueller and not team trump. Is the language you are hearing from the president this morning praising manafort, calling him a brave man, is that Pardon Language . That is absolutely Pardon Language and it is also the
narrative thats being spun which is that this is a witch hunt, it is just terrible, its ridiculous. Because thaeat the end of the d were going into the political process. And if the American People believe this is all a witch hunt, it is all bad, who ahorri then he survives. Briefly on the issue of who won, this is how it works. The federal government hits you with 25 charges. Right . In this case, 18. If one of those charges you are convicted of, its a loss for you. It is a serious felony. The fact that he was convicted eight times over, these ten other charges not to say theyre not significant, but they are irrelevant in the grand scheme of declaring this a victory. This is a victory for mueller, true and true, over and over. Without question. Just this week, if the truth is not the truth, a crime is not a crime, the sky is still blue. And you are in front of it. I am joey, thank you. Jennifer, thank you so much. If the president is about to give his excampaign chairman a
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from the new york times. Even the president s staunchest defenders acknowledge privately that the legal setbacks that he suffered within minutes of each other could open fissures among republicans on capitol hill and expose mr. Trump to the possibility of impeachment. How much do you buy that . Have the last 17 hours really moved the needle for republicans in the house if they would ascribe to articles of impeachment . If you look at the initial response from republicans, i think you have to say it did not move the needle. Now we are still in the early hours after both of these backtoback legal decisions. But republicans pretty much seem to be where they were which is that they are looking to the Mueller Report and looking to questions of collusion, saying there is no collusion, trying to make the case that if theres no collusion, then there should be no impeachment. Theyre trying to distance trump from Michael Cohen. Privately certainly republicans express a lot of concern about
the political situation that trump puts them in for the midterms. But at this point they still look at polling and until that polling shows that there is a significant break among trump voters, i dont think youre going to see much of a shift from republicans. I dont think youre going to see them pull away from the president right now. Yeah, ron. I was going to say, youve talked a lot this morning about republicans are reluctant to move on the president because they are afraid of the base and afraid of his voters. There is truth to that but thats not the whole story. Congressional republicans have bought into the political strategy that the president is pursuing for the midterm which we saw again last night with his talk about undocumented, the best way to do that, whether on policy or circling the wagons around the president , they are taking the risk of sending the message to voters who are even ambivalent about trump that they will not provide any restraint or oversight and thats why i think
the past 24 hours matters. It really puts that into relief. That the Republican Congress is basically putting all of their chips on the idea of maximizing republican turnout by maximizing unity and taking the risk that voters who find this uneasy or a threat to the rule of law or just they want more of a check on a volatile president either wont turn out or will be willing to kind of bite their lip and accept this kind of deference to the president. You know, julie, to exactly rons point. Alan dershowitz, constitutional law professor at harvard, hes written a book, the case against impeaching the president. Heres how he put it. Heres what he posited last night on fox news. Some stations are already playing the Funeral Music for president trump. But this is much more complicated, much more nuanced. To that what do you say, julie . Well, its perhaps more nuanced politically. Ron is right, this is really going to come down to a question for congress. I think what democrats are debating right now is what their strategy is going forward. You have people in the party who want to take a really aggressive approach on this question of impeachment and essentially run on that. What you are seeing Democratic Leaders do is try to thread the needle a little bit, be a little more indirect in talk about trying to tamp down a culture of corruption that trump has fostered in washington, try to make this a question of checks and balances. Thats an argument aimed at independent voters, it is an argument aimed at moderate republicans but there the left flank of the party that really wants to aggressively run on impeachment. I do think if democrats take back the house theyll face this debate over whether they have to follow through on that promise if thats one of the reasons that they do take back control. What would be the straw for republicans, ron . Would it be a pardon of manafort . I dont think there is a straw in things that trump can do. I think the straw would be the loss of the house. The predicate to any kind of
serious republicans reconsideration in their relationship with trump is evidence that his approach is hurting the party electorally. As long as it seems to be delivering the things they want in judicial appointment, in taxes, in regulatory like repealing the Clean Power Plan this week while the west is burning with wildfires, as long as thats happening, i think the Critical Mass of republicans will not challenge him and that is the indispensable i think predicate for all of the republicans who are quietly uneasy about the direction hes leading the party, both in terms of morality and in some cases in terms of policy. We are just weeks away from the Kavanaugh Hearings, as well. Thank you, both. Republicans dodging talk. At least right now. About these two bombshells that dropped in the last 17 hours. Democrats are digging in. Is it the right move for them though . Were in a constitutional
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Richard Blumenthal of connecticut just moments ago saying the Kavanaugh Hearings should be postponed given the developments in the last 18 hours. Joining me now to discuss that and much more, senator chris van hollen, democrat from maryland. Senator, do you agree and do you stand with your fellow democratic senator Richard Blumenthal on that . Should the Kavanaugh Hearings at this point be postponed . Yes, poppy, i do believe they should be postponed, both for the reasons senator blumenthal outlined, but also because we have an administration thats continuing to hide very important and very relevant documents about Brett Kavanaughs record. I think whats happened in the last 48 hours just adds additional fuel to the need to see those documents. We have a nominee who has a very extreme view of president ial power who, if hes on the supreme court, would be in a position to effectively bail out the president. So we should see those documents. Senator, who is hiding what
documents . Oh, the administration has said that the documents that Brett Kavanaugh was involved with when he was in the Bush Administration are not going to be available to the senate for review and they are going to be hidden from the American People. Despite the fact that Brett Kavanaugh himself has said that those documents were very important in forming his judicial views and other views. So you have a major part of the kavanaugh record that theyre hiding right now and thats unacceptable. The public should have a chance to see whats in there. Senator, let me get you on all of the other news thats unfolded here this morning. Youve seen the reaction from the president to both the manafort guilty verdict and the cohen guilty pleas. The language that he is using about his former campaign chair, Paul Manafort, who is now found guilty of eight felonies, facing 80 years in prison. Is that he is a good man and that hes a brave man. Do you believe that signals a pardon . This is a very dangerous thing for the president to be
signaling in a couple ways. First of all, Paul Manafort now has been found guilty by a jury of his peers on eight counts, and felonies, as you just said. For the president to try to trivialize that in some way sends a terrible message around the country about not standing up for the rule of law second, if the president were to try to exercise his pardon power, it would be a gross abuse of power here. There are Justice Department guidelines for pardoning. The president has ignored those already in his term. If he were to pardon people who could testify against him in different areas, it would be such an obvious part of an obstruction of justice claim that i would hope that judges would conclude that that is even beyond the bounds of president ial pardon power. But as we know, thats something
for the courts to decide. Thats pretty broad power that the president holds on that front. Lets talk about potential articles of impeachment against the president. What the polling shows us is that if democrats retake the house in november, 2 out of 3 democrats think that they should push forward with articles of impeachment. You have been among the democrats in congress who have warned against that, who said dont go so fast, let the Mueller Probe play out, dont necessarily run on this. I wonder if the last 17 hours and what weve seen with cohen and manafort and what we heard from cohen in court, pointing directly to the president , does that change your position or do you maintain the position on impeachment . No, no, poppy, it does not change my position. I think we should allow the Mueller Investigation to play out. Look, just yesterday we had the conviction of Paul Manafort on eight counts. We had yesterday, of course, what happened in the Michael Cohen plea deal. We need to allow the mueller
investigation to take its course. I do think it is more incumbent than ever for the president to step up and do what he said he wanted to do for months and months, which is tell his side of the story, but tell it under oath, tell it the same way Michael Cohen did, under penalty of perjury. Here they are trying to undermine Michael Cohen, but he swore to this under penalty of perjury. The president is refusing to do that. Now i think the public and republicans and democrats should be asking themselves, why is the president refusing to do what he boasted about many months ago, which is he wants to tell a story. Tell your story, mr. President , tell it under oath. All right. He may still. We will see what final decision is made. This afternoon you and other senators will be Behind Closed Doors for briefing on election security. Given what has happened in the last 48 hours, microsoft uncovering the russian attempt to interfere in our electoral process again. Facebook closing down 652 pages,
many of them tied to russia. Russia is at it again. You and senator marco rubio have this Bipartisan Legislation that would act if more sanctions are slapped on russia if the dni can determine that, yes, russias meddled again, and they would be mandatory. Right . Thats right. But your republican colleague in the senate made an interesting point, rob portman. He told the new york times, i think sanctions are necessary but it is obviously not working the way wed like it to. Does he have a point given the fact that despite all of these sanctions, russia is still at it . Well, what weve learned is that slapping on sanctions after the fact and sanctions that will remain on, regardless of russian conduct and behavior, are not going to incentivize them to change their behavior. Which is why all the testimony that weve heard from National Security experts and russia experts is if you really want to deter putin and the russians, you have to make it clear in
advance what the penalty will be if they engage in interfering in our leaks. Thats what the bill senator rubio and i have outlined. It just doesnt add additional sanctions now. What it says is, if we catch you again, vladimir putin, you will face automatic severe penalties. And that is a way that we can try to change behavior. Doing stuff after the fact is punishment, but it doesnt create that incentive to prevent future conduct. I know that the speaker has been willing to majority leader, rather, has been willing to bring this up for a vote. Just quickly, has the white house indicated to you that the white house is open to this legislation, to signing this legislation . So, Secretary Pompeo has testified before congress that this kind of framework is something that they think can work. But they have a lot of questions about the details. But poppy, as you know, the
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had her picture on the side of it. I think yesterday something that stood out to us was the gasp and cries and moans from people who showed up at this News Conference hoping for better information. Thats not what happened here. In fact they learned the worst about mollie. They found she had been killed. They could not believe that someone in this community could possibly be at the hands of that. Listen to the neighbors who used to live right next door to her and their pain in this story. Were devastated. Were heartbroken. Were sad. Not not for us. I mean for mollies family. I mean we know them all so well. And this community, sometimes they say it takes a village. Well, this village really showed they showed up. Reporter you have to think about this family and also the idea, even investigators were
asked about this how could you miss the corn field . Look, there he theres cornfield everywhere. We talked to a neighbor who lived by a corn field where the body was found and they are so upset, talking about locking their doors now. Something they dont normally do. A neighbor turned over some very to investigators. They went through inch by inch and they saw a dark colored car. They also saw mollie running by. Then of course rivera, according to investigators, told him he followed along, even circled back a few times, got out the car, started running alongside of her. Thats when she threatened to call 911, according to rivera, or which he told investigators. At some point he said he blacked out, then threw her car in the trunk. Obviously something very disturbing. Ryan young, thank you. Our hearts are with all of them right now. Happening today, ohio state Board Of Trustees is deliberating the fate of the football coach there, urban meyer. Well explain now. Hey allergy muddlers. With amazing amenities like movie theaters, Exercise Rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. And theres never been an easier way to get great advice. A Place For Mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a Perfect Place. A Place For Mom. You know your family we know senior living. Together well make the right choice. My Digestive System used to make me feel sluggish. But those days are over. Now, i take metamucil every day. It naturally traps and removes the waste that weighs me down. So i feel. Lighter. Try metamucil and begin to feel what lighter feels like. And try new metamucil fiber thins, made with 100 natural psyllium fiber. A greattasting and easy way to start your day. But we need the help of experts. Pg e is an integral part of our Emergency Response team. They are the Industry Expert with utilities. Whether it is a gas leak or a wire down, just having someone there that deals with this every day is pretty comforting. We each bring something to the table that is unique and that is a specialty. With all of us working together we can keep all these emergencies small. And the fact that we can bring it together and effectively Work Together is pretty special. They bring their knowledge, their tools and equipment and the proficiency to get the job done. And the whole time i have been in the fire service, pg es been there, too. Whatever we need whenever we need it. I do count on pg e to keep our firefighters safe. Thats why we ask for their help. I do count on pg e to keep our firefighters safe. Its the Ford Summer Sales event and now is the best time to buy. You ready for this, junior . Yeah, i think i can handle it. No pressure. Thats just my favorite boat. Boom. laughs make summer go right with ford, americas bestselling brand. And get our best deal of the summer zero percent financing for sixty months on f150. Get zero percent financing for 60 months plus 2,800 bonus cash on a 2018 f150 xlt equipped with 2. 7l ecoboost. Welcome back. Urban meyers Coaching Future at ohio state may soon be determined. The universitys Board Of Trustees is meeting right now. This mornings Bleacher Report. Literally as we speak, this is going down. Things are changing. The Board Of Trustees and president of ohio state have been meeting since 9 00 in morning. Urban meyer has been seen on site, so thats now adding speculation that a decision on his future could be forthcoming. This Bleacher Report brought
to you by ford, going further so you can. He has been on paid leave since ohio state began investigating what he knew about Domestic Violence claims against zach smith who meyer brought with him from the university of florida. Smith who has denied the abuse allegations was fired from the team last month, three days after his wife received a protective order. Meanwhile in the midst of a busy news day for president trump, he turned the topic to sports at a rally yesterday in West Virginia after months of disparaging nfl players over their decision to protest, the president is now taking aim at espn for recently announcing it will not air the National Anthem before the networks Monday Night Football game. It was Just Announced by espn that rather than defending our anthem, our beautiful, beautiful National Anthem, and defending
our flag, theyve decided that they just wont broadcast when they play the National Anthem. We dont like that. So the nfl put its National Anthem policy on hold last month while it continues to have discussions with the players on how to handle it. In the meantime, that means there is still no punishment for players demonstrating during the anthem. Thank goodness we have baseball to talk with right, poppy . Talk about a bittersweet moment. New york slugger jean carlos was traded from miami in december. He made his return last night and received quite the reaction from former fans. The yankee called it, quote, one of the more special moments of my career, for sure. Stanton spent his first eight seasons in the league with miami but it was yankees fans who got the last cheer of the night
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congressman Duncan Hunter of california, and his wife lived large enjoying a 14,000 thanksgiving vacation to italy, 6,500 vacation to hawaii, over 11,000 in personal purchases from costco, 5,700 on themselves and their kids at walmart and tickets to a steelers game all allegedly from Campaign Donations. The list goes on and on. Despite warnings from the congressmans own treasurer to stop spending Campaign Donations on personal items. Hunter was a Founding Member of the trump caucus during the 2016 campaign and the indictment alleges that he and his wife knowingly conspired with one another to disguise the Campaign Funds for personal use. They are charged with wire fraud, falsifying records, Campaign Finance violations, and conspiracy. Meantime a spokesman for hunter says the congressman believes the indictment is, quote, purely politically motivated. This as House Speaker paul ryan
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