The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. Does not change even as this Story Changes dramatically. We know there could be legal consequences. That aside, are there political . Well, thats one of the interesting things because weve weve seen these tweets over the past couple of days. This tweet about Jeff Sessions which a lot of legal analysts and experts have said, boy, that could really do you damage in a court of law, that could be obstruction, that could contradict the other statements. But in the court of Public Opinion and what President Trump believes and what his advisers believe is that attacking this investigation is really the best way to succeed in that court of Public Opinion. And there was definitely a shift after the Michael Cohen raid and weve seen in recent months about the president racheting up his attacks on this Mueller Investigation and im told that is because he very much believes and his lawyers advised him that this as a sitting president not going to be trial that plays out in a court of law. It will be if anything comes of this, a trial that plays outs in the court of Public Opinion
down the investigation. You dont see repudiation of comments, they are running in lock step with him now. They are motivated to come out in 2018 and try to take the house back and i thnk you would see a racheting up of investigations and see subpoenas and certainly a lot more oversight from the hill if democrats won the house and majority in 2018. All of that said, im not sure it would be a sure fire bet. I think the prospect of impeachment could backfire as well. I dont think we know at this point. I think we would be careful not to make too much implications because its a long way to november. The Mueller Probe could be done by then and still see more lingering action and see democrats take over. The president is out on the Campaign Trail saying were going to see a red wave not a blue wave, according to his numbers as well. You even saw adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the Intelligence Committee in a vocal opponent of the president say over the weekend, again, warning fellow democrats dont run on this, dont run on impeachment for precisely the
point you make. Lets listen to Something Else the president aesz lawyer said over the weekend. Chocking all of his denials about the Trump Tower Meeting and et cetera and intent, up to Bad Information. Heres more. I think its very important to point out in a situation like this, you have over time facts develop, thats what investigations do. Facts develop, facts are facts, right, you either know them or dont and it is very possible that a lawyer for the president could be kept in the dark about facts. But do facts develop over time . Of courbviously not. Facts dont develop they are set in stone. At the very best this was a reckless statement on the part of the jay seck colow and at the worst it was a bold faced lie. I think what were seeing here is that the president is a bad client. Theres a reason why there are
many white color criminal Defense Attorneys who have turned down this representation. Its not a good thing when your client lies to you. You cannot adequately represent your clients interest when you are getting Bad Information as it were from your client. Josh, one final thought. As the president and his legal team decide if hes going to sit down for an interview with mueller, that decision, who knows when its going to come. They keep seeming to say a few weeks. They have been saying theres nothing else here. Weve given all of these documents, et cetera, you had the former white House Counsel to president obama now professor at nyu over the weekend saying that trumps attorneys argument that he shouldnt have to do an interview with mueller because he doesnt know anything, doesnt that now change that he said on twitter this was to get dirt on my opponent, essentially, doesnt that change . Well, a lot of episodes that the president provides acknowledgement, one of the key players in a certain situation,
whether from the firing of james comey, episodes around michael flynn, his pressure on Jeff Sessions to try to force that Attorney General to resign. Theres certainly a case to be made that the president could provide unique information because he was one of the key players. That said, the interview is not a sure thing at this point. The president as we reported and others have as well, continues to wants to do it. He seems to think he can talk special Counsel Robert Mueller into seeing it his way. I think his lawyers seeing his depositions over the years, seeing his tendency not to always tell the truth to say it lightly are more concerned about an interview with special counsel. And weve kind of been in a hold here, theyve been proposals, lots of negotiations and were still really nowhere firm and its august. I think youll see in the next few weeks something will have to materialize because were approaching election season and midterms and i think the president wants this investigation over with and i think theyll have to make
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believes theres a strong possibility of a second summit between kim jongun and President Trump. That source also says it could happen sometime later this year. No exact mention of a date though, will ripably joins me, and let me be clear, this is not the white house saying this. This is someone close to the kim regime. Whats your read on it and why would they want to put forth Something Like this . When you look whats been happening over the last week, the official lines between the u. S. And north korea have been increasingly harsh, mike pompeo was calling on nations to continue enforcing sanctions against north korea, of violating u. N. Security Council Resolutions and growing its Nuclear Program which is backed up by u. S. Intelligence. And not following through on the June 12th Agreement in singapore. If things dont happen in terms of sanctions relief and peace
tra treaty they may walk away. They still flatter him and say that President Trump wants progress but its u. S. Politics getting in the way. And of course President Trump sent a very nice tweet to kim jongun last week thanking him for his nice letter and saying i was wondering if this was a hint, ill see you soon. Now the source is telling me in fact it is a strong possibility at least from the north korean perspective that there will be a second meeting between trump and kim sometime later this year and north koreans are pushing for this to happen before the midterm elections in november. They think that trump wants to tout north korea as success before the midterms and they want to give them that opportunity. They hope that direct negotiations between kim and trum much will get the north koreans a better deal in the end. We have to watch and see what happens. That is soon if that were to be the case. Will riply, thank you for reporting and important context. At midnight tonight, the u. S. Will reimpose sanctions on iran. Months after President Trump announced he was pulling u. S. Out of the iran nuclear agreement, the white house is expected to provide more details
in a call starting right now, this hour, well bring you those when we get them. The president also readying his response directly at the president and lets go to the state department. Michelle kosinski joins me for more. This is the first action after pulling out of the iran agreement that they would slap back these sanctions. But this is just part one, right, michelle. The tougher sanctions come in november. Yeah, i mean this targets irans ability to bank the american dollar, which is a big deal. Aviation, that is expected to have an impact in the meantime leading up to this, so Many Companies and European Companies included have gotten out of iran. So the white house wants to emphasize that they believe their regime is working but then this is kind of like a show that the u. S. Is serious about doing this, including that the u. S. Will sanction European Companies
even if they continue to do business. November 4th is when the as sanctions come back on to iran against its oil sectors and Energy Sectors and central bank. Thats expected to have a bigger impact as irans economy is in deep, deep trouble and its been facing increasing protests now going on for days, poppy. Thank you very much, well get into this more next hour and let us know what does come up on the call going on right now with the white house. Ahead, a crucial vote in ohio tomorrow, a neck in neck race to tell us a lot about the upcoming mid terms, what should be a safe seat for republicans is not looking safe at all next. I dont keep track of regrets. And i dont add up the years. But what i do count on is boost®. Delicious boost® high protein nuritional drink now has 33 more protein, along with 26 Essential Vitamins and minerals boost® high protein. Be up for life. Morning. Morning. What do we got . Keep an eye on that branch. Might get windy. Have a good shift. Fire pit. Last use 0600. Id stay close. Morning. Get ready to switch. Protected by flo. Should say, protected by alan and jamie. Right . Should it . When you bundle home and auto. Run, alan . You get more than just savings. You get roundtheclock protection. You get more than just savings. At t provides edgetoedge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your healthcare business. So that if she has a Heart Problem the staff needs to know, they will theyll drop everything can you take a look at her vitals . Share the data with other specialists yeah, im looking at them now. Theyll drop everything hey. Take care of this baby yeah, that procedure seems right. That one too. At t provides edge to edge intelligence. It can do so much for your business, the list goes on and on. Thats the power of. When your patients tests come back. [beep] [beep] [beep] our members shop a little differently. So we reward every purchase. Lets see what kate sent. For you. For all of us. Thats for me. Navy federal credit union open to the armed forces, the dod, veterans, and their families. In a special Special Election toex, republicans in ohio risk losing a seat in the district they have controlled for three decades. Thats why President Trump made a special trip there for a rally this weekend. We must elect troy balderson. We have to elect troy. I need your vote august 7th. The Special Election is an Ohio 12th District and last major race before the midterm and may reveal a lot about what well see in november. In fact it is john kasich, says it should be an easy win for rpz. Listen. The chaos that seems to surround donald trump unnerved a lot of people. Its kind of shocking, this should be a slam dunk and its
not. Joining me now david urban, former Trump Campaign strategist. Thanks for being with me, david. Thanks for having me, poppy. How are you . Im good. Kasich is right, look at the polling numbers, balderson at 44 and Danny Oconnor at 43 in a district that the president won by 11 points and district the republicans have held on almost as long as ive been alive, three decades. Is kasich right, this isnt a slam dunk because of the president . Not surprisingly governor kasich is taking a jab at the president and given their rocky past, i dont think thats any surprise. And poppy, look, in all of these races, all of these Special Elections especially candidates matter. Candidates matter to a great deal. If you go back and think about where the democrats have been successful this these tight races and Ralph North Rum and conner lam in pennsylvania and danny obrien and these folks
oconnor im sorry, Danny Oconnor. These folks are a far cry from candidates like ocasiocortez, they are Blue Dog Democrats both Danny Oconnor as well as conner lam both have said they would not vote for nancy pelosi for speaker. They are trying to distance themselves from the Democratic Party that means run as republicans. That may be but your party needs to have the stronger candidate in the critical districts if youre going to win. I want your reaction to what else kasich said. You heard this interview with george stephanopoulos, why he is supporting a republican candidate and then something stunning. He came out against this border separation policy. He came out against the tariffs and came out for fixing social security. You know, on his website or whatever, i asked him the other
day, why are you bringing trump in . I dont have anything to do with it. Is he surprised President Trump was come and didnt want to come . Did you invite trump in here for president . He said no, i didnt. So i think donald trump decides where he wants to go and they think they are firing up the base. Either the republican candidate balderson didnt ask the president of the United States for help in this very tight race or he did and he doesnt want to admit it. Thats your read . Poppy, listen, i dont i dont know what conversation he had with the president or didnt have with the president but i cant imagine Somebody Running for a house seat that would not want the president of the United States to come in, especially in ohio 12 as you pointed out. The president carried so decisively. Look, that race was a very, very tight race its a place where you do face uphill challenges from for example suburban women. You know that. Right, no, listen, exactly. I think that you need to get make sure as you know, need to make sure your base turns out in these low number kind of Special Elections race thats held in august when most people are out on vacation someplace with their families, its going to be a pretty low turnout. So one of the strategies here, make sure your base turns out and turns out forcefully. Thats why the president is there. It sounds like youre preparing for a potential loss and what the narrative should be on that if you do lose. Youre saying its august, no one is watching but ohio 12 matters. No, it does matter greatly, poppy. Each one of these seats matters a great deal. Look, the republican candidate won a very tough primary, a tenway primary beat out one of my very close friends, guy named tim cain, won by 28 of the vote. 28 of the vote got him to this point where he is now. These tough bruising primaries do have an impact on the general
election as well. Yeah, david, let me get you on a few other topics since you know the president well. He made very clear to everyone over the weekend something that he wouldnt say and didnt say before. And that is that he said about the Trump Tower Meeting in 2016, quote, this was a meeting to get information on an opponent. Information from russians on Hillary Clinton. This is the an tij this ses of what they said over again, the statement he dictated in july of last year, said this meeting was primarily discussed a program about the adoption of russian children. So which one are we supposed to believe, david . So poppy, look, im going to push back on that. My good friend Jonathan Swan at aixio has a piece out that says, look, whats the big news here . There is no breaking news. This is exactly what the president said on July 13th Of 2017 one year ago. I think if we go back and look
at the statement from july 13th, 2017 he says the exact same thing and jonathan has it right. I read jonathans piece, the president dictated we know this because of the letter sent to muellers team admitting he did dictate that july 8th statement in which it said the meeting was primarily about russian adoption, nothing else to see here and now the president is saying its information on an oppone opponent. The American People should believe which one because it matters, doesnt it . It does matter. It does matter, poppy. You know what, it is very confusing and i would say the latter of the two statements, right, the july 13th statement, i believe. I dont believe that the president theres a lot of folks out there opining that the president knew about this meeting at some point along the way. Im not so certain about that. I go with a July 13th 2017 statement where he said look,
this is a meeting about people potentially offering up they came in under goois about lifting sanctions on the mag knit ski act and offering Opposition Research on a candidate. Look, we know from the email chain setting up this meeting to don jr. That it was about dirt on Hillary Clinton and he said if its later in the summer i love it but im Running Out Of Time and i do want to get you on something so important. That is the media, the freedom of the press, and as you know over the weekend ethe president said the fake news is the enemy of the people then he said they, meaning us, the media, can also cause war. Is that taking this too far . Is that dangerous . To have threats against their life . Look, sure, again, i think that the president is krek, look at the words, fake news as he said is bad he said they can also he
calls cnn fake news. And you know its not i dont think he called the entire network. Yes, he does, he writes it, you wouldnt be on this network if you thought that and they, meaning the media, they can also cause war. I understand you work for him and friend of his, is this taking it too far . Yeah, look, i think its taking it a little bit too far. I think there are very, very many good journalists in america and across the world and people risk their lives every day to get the truth out all across the world. But at the same time, there are lots and lots of bad journalists. To say there are no bad journalists is just naive for anybodys account. There are bad doctors and bad lawyers and bad accountants and to think there are no bad journalists, just does not doesnt pass a straight face test. Except you know the president groups together Huge Networks and newspapers and says they are all fake news then says they can cause war so i appreciate your candor. Listen, poppy, let me put it this way, i dont think anyone at cnn or journalists that you or i work with cause war. How about that . I appreciate that. Nice to have you. Come back soon. Thank you. The president who told us quote, tariffs are the greatest and plans a multibillion Dollar Rescue Package for farmers hurt by trade wars now claims tariffs will bring down the National Debt. Its a big promise. Well fact check it next. Hi im joan lunden. Todays Senior Living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, Exercise Rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. And theres never been an easier way to get great advice. A place for mom is a free service
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strategy is. But that is cutting the National Debt by large amounts, paying it down just by tariff strategy alone is not possible. You also look at the cost of this to American Companies and consumers steven moore, cocacola said theyll charge more for coke because aluminum and winne bago will charge more for rvs because of the tariffs. You have the Budget Director acknowledging were going to run a trillion dollar plus deficit for at least the next four years, i mean by the preds own calculation, do we need mortar i haves . Tariffs or taxes, thats one reason i dont like them because they are taxes but they do collect money. Little History Lesson for the first 100 years of our nation, as christine knows, the primary way we raised revenue for the federal government was through tariffs. Im not justifying but i dont like tariffs but let me give you a status of where we are on this trade situation. I think President Trump had a
major advance a week ago wednesday in europe where it looks like we could get a nice agreement with europe, buy more of our Agricultural Products and Manufacturing Products and oil and gas. I talked to the trade people over the weekend. They feel good where we are with mexico poppy. They feel like were making good advances with britain. And so i think where were at right now is the strategy which ive always thought was a smart strategy, which is isolate ch china, china is a big, big problem. Poppy, you said trump is launching a trade war with china. I think if donald trump were on he would tell you, were not launching this trade war, this was launched a long time ago by china where they are restraining our exports to china and they are treating and stealing. They steal 300 billion of intellectual property. Most americans agree that cant continue any longer. We need to retaliate. And the question becomeses at what cost for consumer. There will be a cost to the consumer, no doubt. The president pointed to the Chinese Markets in his argument. And said the Chinese Markets are down 27 , the stock market and said that is evidence the Trade Strategy is working. Theres a huge government focused deleveraging going on there, cutting Debt Campaign going on and the trade spat. It has not been good for Chinese Markets. But i think using the Chinese Markets as somehow a barometer for how americans will feel better about paying more for a car or more for a coke, those are two different economic statistics. Im not quite sure that that sells his argument there. You know, look, the Long Term Strategy here, in the short term there will be pain because these companies American Companies paying this tax will have to find domestic sources, right . Long term. The white house strategy is that long term youre going to exchange for the balance of trade. The irony here is that the chinese have sort of shifted from that manufacturing world to the chief manufacturing staff and want to be the leader on the things that really matter like
ai and stuff like that. Were almost in a way fighting the Trade Battles for 25 years ago. Thats a great point. Thank you both, next time youre on, first answer to you, im out of time today. Thank you both very much. President trumps attack on the media, reaching a new level, accusing journalists of causing war but members of his own white house are breaking with the president s message on that. The first person to survive Alzheimers Disease is out there. And the Alzheimers Association is going to make it happen by funding scientific breakthroughs, advancing public policy, and providing local support to those living with the disease and their caregivers. But we wont get there without you. Join the fight with the Alzheimers Association. Its a peaprotein, glutenfree pate. Gman . whistles its a burrito filled with plants
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what obama did. Reporter this ghost rider reviews him self as john sands, a postal worker who rides up from kentucky each year and sees proof of trumps brilliance in the booming economy. They say its the trump bump, people are feeling so good. Reporter rod woodruff says his campers have an average income of 95,000 a year. 70 are homeowners in the United States. Lots of people own multiple motorcycles. We have a Tattoo Parlor up here. Weve got food and pizza and anything you want at the free access cross roads. Very good. Do you have your own jail . No, we dont need one. You dont need one. Violence and arrests are incredibly rare for a crowd of this size. One reason is most folks share the same values and those that dont keep it to themselves. I see here in motorcycling is a microcosm for the whole country. Get the feeling sometimes that people dont believe Whats Going On is right have become very quiet. I think theres a lot of h hypocrisy because i feel like everybody wants freedom and rights but god forbid somebody disagree with you, youll get your head bitten off. Reporter a couple months back the president aimed at harleydavidson. The company shut down a factory in kansas city, laid off hundred workers and said because of the tariffs they would have to start production in a new country overseas which begs the question, is this the ultimate loyalty test for his base . Do these folks pledge allegiance to the president or hall harleydavidson . I have to go with what makes america better. If harley wants to go somewhere else, ill choose different bikes. I love the man, think hes doing a wonderful job. Reporter despite the president s disdain for my profession, they could not be
nicer. Do i strike you as an enemy of the people . Not at all. Were sure glad to have you here. Reporter no amount of earnest reporting will change their minds. Because if you look at russia and the Mueller Investigation and theres a lot red flags and dark clouds. Thats usually a lot of politicians but one they are picking on because hes on the outside. If you look at the clintons how come they can do things and no one else can. Im old enough to remember when the base loved Harley Davidson and hated russia. It seems it flipped a little bit. I dont think theres any reason to call him out or try to be friendly with anyone. If they dont want to be friends, its a whole other story. Even vladimir putin, a dictator, a murderer . He met with kim jongun as well. Fake news. We all know it. Touch me. Touch me. Donald j. Trump. Hell tell you. Reporter Back Downtown our presence sparks a debate between some fox news fans from texas and bonnie
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tweet, yes, the president wrote at the top, fake news hates me, theyre the enemy of the people, blah, blah, blah, they can cause war. But come on. I mean, he points to all the Major News Networks and major newspapers. Its a very cynical strategy, trying to divide between good outlets and bad outlets. Trump does this sometimes. Its bs, and it should be called out. I think we look at these tweets. Think about whats different this time. It is changing. Trumps tone is changing. It is getting worse. Think about during the campaign. He would call us dishonest. Then he started saying fake. Then he started saying were the enemy of the people. Now hes using words like disgusting. Using words like dangerous and sick. You know, thats dehumanizing language. Thats the kind of language he also uses to talk about immigrants sometimes. Its trying to strip away peoples humanity. And as david knows, that never ends well. Look at the history books. That never ends well. Sure. And david, when you look at, you know, the insults, we can take
it, right . All journalists have thick skin. Thats okay. Whats not okay is language that could further a dangerous environment for journalists. I mean, brian, youve pointed out katy tur, for example, pointing to threats against her, an nbc journalist. In your newsletter. So, i mean, at what point, david gergen, you know, do you get into the territory of making it dangerous for journalists . I think that weve already entered a period of danger. And that is and it may get worse in the next few weeks. The president is using these rallies of his base to make the press the scapegoat. To make the press the punching bag. And the more he does that and goes after the press as, quote, the enemy of the people, a famous phrase that goes back to the French Revolution when enemies of the people went to the guillotine. You know, that is whips up crowds. It makes it seem like when you strip, as i think brian has well
said, you strip the press of its legitimacy and humanity. Then there are going to be crazy people out there, especially in a culture with so many guns, who are going to be thinking about maybe ill just take one of those guys out. Weve already seen that in annapolis. So i think this is as the president looks down the road, this white house looks down the road at a lot more allies, they ought to tone this down. And get back into a place of but who will mainstream relationship. But Brian Stelter, the president has shown no sign of backing off on this one, of reining it in on this one. No, hes raising the temperature. Hes not lowering the temperature. And unfortunately, all of his friends, like Anthony Scaramucci and ivanka trump and Kellyanne Conway is saying hey, theyre not the enemies hes not listening to them. He is doing this, because his back is up against the wall. Because real news is so damaging to him. Hes trying to tell his fans to only believe what he says. And thankfully, most americans