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CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy Harlow January 18, 2018

Staff john kelly told fox news. In fact, its the complete opposite. He has evolved in the way hes looked at things. Apparently chief of staff kelly also does not think his boss is very informed when it comes to the wall. He told a room full of members of congress that the president was uninformed, his word uninformed, on the issue of the wall during the campaign. A source familiar with all of this this morning tells our Caitlin Collins that has left the president fuming ave. Listening to all that john kelly said, that he hated his comments. Caitlin collins t one who broke that news. What else are you hearing . Reporter thats right, poppy. President trump fuming saying his views on the wall had evolved since he was on the campaign now that he has taken off kelly said. Clearly weaw the result of that on twier when the president directly contradicd what his chief of staff said. Im told by sources inside the white house that the president hated john kellys comments where he said his views on the wall evolved after he made similar remarks during those meetings with democratic lawmakers on capitol hill where he said the president s views on the wall and immigration had been misinformed during the campaign and now had changed since he was in office. The president directly pushing back saying his views on the wall have not changed. He still wants a wall, still wants mexico to pay for it. Were certainly seeing the backlash of that. This is surprising because we dont often see the president often contradict john kelly. He always says he has Great Respect for him, hopes he stays chief of staff for quite some time. Though hes confident, the two men often on immigration. Were clearly seeing a break in that right now, john and poppy. Any sense kaitlan, steve bannon said things about the president and was excommunicated from trump world altogether. Reporter any time somebody speaks out on the president or contradicts him or undermines him, its something that can turn the president s attitude toward that person. Weve seen it with steve bannon, jeff sessions, all people the president has turned on. We havent seen him do that with john kelly. Theres no indication that would happen with this. It could be the one thing that sets the president off, john and poppy. And kelly said a whole lot more in that interview that well get into that in this hour. Lets get to the white house. Abby phillip, can you see the president fuming . Reporter early this morning the tweets came loud and clear. And i think the message was clearly heard. This is not going to be the last we hear from the white house on this issue. It comes at a critical time when the white house is trying to sort out the issue over daca, the immigration issue and the government funding issue. Were hearing a lot from the president on both things. I think the idea that john kelly right now is in the doghouse on immigration is critical. Remember, he was tasked by the president with taking the leado. He went to the hill yesterday to liaise with congressional lawmakers. Now hes being undercut by the president himself. On government funding as well, youre seeing the president tweeting a little bit about what he thinks he wants from a shortterm spending bill. Meanwhile, let me play a little bit of what john kelly said last night that prompted from the president a rebuke on social media this morning. Hes very definitely chaepgd his attitudes towards the daca issue and even the wall. He has evolved in the way hes looked at things. Campaign to governing are two different things. Reporter we will hear directly from the president later today. Hes going to be going over to the pentagon and later to pennsylvania. Im sure well have plenty of opportunities to hear directly from him a little bit about, especially on the ending issues on the hill, what he thinks about it and how he thinks those issues ought to be resolved. Abby hill for us at the white house. A great deal of confusion all of a sudden. Not only is he contradicting his over chief of staff, he seems to be undercutting an effort from the Republican House leadership to pass a temporary spending plan to keep the government open. Everyone is confused now where the president stands. Lets go to Suzanne Malveaux on capitol hill for the latest on that. Reporter good morning, john and poppy. Could a president s tweet undermine essentially and blow up negotiations for the shortterm spending bill . Very possibly. In the next 24 hours, the president reversing his position. This is what republicans have been worried about for days now, tweeting out this morning that c. H. I. P. Should be a part of a longterm solution, not a 30day or shortterm extension. Why . Its so important. You had House Republicans crafting what they thought they could get support for on the house side and the senate side by providing six years of funding to this Critical Program. Its something democrats are on board with, republicans, meant to sweeten the pot to get people on guard with the shortterm spending bill to swallow this, if you will, along with delaying taxes, obamacare taxes, electrical devices and extending the government for another month. What do people do now . Thats the big question. Is this going to impact those they were able to bring to their side to say, okay, well take the shortterm spending bill, deal with daca later, because weve got this Critical Program that is very popular, bipartisan and so many people want. Hard toreject. Now the president who once said, okay, its good for the spending bill, is now saying no, it is not. How does this play out . House republicans will be getting together behind closed doors trying to figure out how to get 218 critical votes on the house side. There will be a vote expected later in the day, between 7 00 and 8 00. Well see how it goes. John and poppy, it goes to the senate side to see if they have enough democrats for the supermajority vote to push it forward on the senate side. Its far from clear to see if the shortterm spending bill will pass now, what the president actually is pushing for, what he wants and whether the government is going to shut down. John and poppy. Suzanne malveaux, thank you very much. Who knows where else well be this morning if the president is fuming as is reported now. Joining us Nina Malika Henderson and cnn commentator matt lewis. The news from the white house, the president hated the interview that john kelly did last night, hated being called uninformed ever on the issue of the wall. Woke up this morning, directly contradicts him. Trouble in paradise. Trouble in paradise indeed. John kelly is someone the president has praised, wanted to be his chief of staff, comes with kind of the image of being a general and taking control. My initial thought about this was that kelly went out there to reach the president. You go on television to talk to the president. You go on fox news particularly to reach the president. It seemed like it was a trial balloon, to try to move the president and get the president to reckon with this idea that there probably isnt going to be a wall in the way he thinks its going to be the wall, with the capital w and from sea to shining sea. It clearly backfired and backfired in a big way. This president is en sis tent on what he wants, he hasnt changed, hasnt evolved and the wish list is something thats not going to go over on the hill. I will say the president isnt saying this morning he still wants a 2,000 mile wall. He said part of it is seethrough. He said he always wanted this new wall, which isnt true. Matt lewis, we cant ignore kellys background leaving dhs. He knows whats feasible and not feasible. Nias point is fascinating one, that hed have to go on cable news to talk to the president rather than walk into the oval office. What are the repercussions here . Is this something that would get steve of staff kel bannoned, if y will . I dont think were there yet. John has a good point. If, in fact, the chief of staff went on fox news to get the president s attention and to move him in the direction of accepting the fact that youre not going to have a 2,000mile wall, that there are some areas where geographically it doesnt make sense. There are borders. Donald trump is now conceding that. So i think trump has evolved. He has evolved. His tweet today concedes that john kelly was right, you dont need or want its not practical to have a 2,000mile wall. Maybe what kelly did actually worked. Donald trump is moving. Now, he has to save face. He cant admit hes being that he has evolved. I think if youre optimistic here, maybe something good comes from this. Maybe john kelly has a rough day at the office today. But i dont think its bannoned just yet. John kelly has had rougher days than this. For him it matters. He can take this im sure. But it probably isnt comfortable. Amy, this is just part of what the president is doing this morning, undercutting his chief of staff, but also undercutting house leadership. Theyre trying to get a stopgap spending measure through. As part of this deal, they wanted funding for the Childrens Health Insurance Program, six years. Now the president says no to that all of a sudden. Hes saying no, we think, to the deal on the table. Whats the thought . Its blowing everyones minds on capitol hill. This is the second time this week hes done this. He did this on the senate side, this bipartisan immigration compromise. He came in and said no, they worked so hard to get this deal together and couldnt quite make it happen. Now hes doing it again. I think a lot of lawmakers are frustrated. Theyre saying, okay, were actually doing the dealmaking here, negotiating on a bipartisan way in the way you want things and youre getting in the way. I think this is frustrating a lot of people. Ive been hearing from a lot of people in the last few hours who are frustrated by the way things stand right now and they want things to move ahead and they think the president is getting in the way. Mitch mcconnell in what i thought and still think this morning is a stunning statement, he was messaging the president as well directly saying we dont even know what the president wants. Lets listen to Mitch Mcconnell. Im looking for something that President Trump supports. Hes notet indicated what measure hes willing to sign. As soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convi e convinced we were not just spinning our wheels. Here is how the white house responded to chris cuomo last night. Listen to this. The president has been pretty clear about what it will take to get us to the next phase. Theres been plenty of discussion back and forth and wed be happy to contact the Leaders Office another time about this. Matt lewis, our other panelist tweets, why does Mitch Mcconnell insist on waiting for trump to define exactly what he wants on immigration. Matt have a point . I think we know what he wants. We dont know what he will sign. He wants to 18 billion for the wall, end to chain migration, end to the visa lottery. Will he settle for something less . Thats what Mitch Mcconnell was saying, this whole idea of what he will actually sign. Its still unclear what he will settle for. You heard Lindsey Graham talk about this, that youre not going to get everything you want in this deal if youre the president. Youre going to have to give a little and get a little, particularly if theres a phase two to the reform which seems unlikely now, even though lipid say graham kee tking about it. Matt les, he just gave senate democts a reason to vote against this. He gave those ten democrats runs in tight races, however you want to look at it, he gave them a reason to vote no if they were looking for one. I cant quite believe thats what the president was trying to do. But does this make it easier for the democrats now . Yes, it absolutely does. Republicans are in a tough spot. We were already in peril of a Government Shutdown. Republicans have to worry about the Freedom Caucus people who are worried about the budget, you have to worry about the National Security hawks who dont think were funding defense enough. Then you have to are wouldry about getting democrats why would they do anything to help donald trump and republicans . They have incentive for not cooperating i. Cooperating. Its a very delicate procedure, a surgical thing to negotiate a deal. Youre trying to delicately purt together this coalition, and at the 11th hour donald trump comes in and sends out a tweet that i think invites more chaos and invites people to sort of have an excuse to say, no here is my question. What i dont understand is this. Does donald trump realize this was actually a sixyear extension for c. H. I. P. , not a shortterm extension . I was wondering that. Or does he just want to keep it as leverage for bargaining for a longterm budget deal . Its unclear to me if he understands this even. Thats a really good point. Even though its included in a shortterm continuing resolution, it still spans s ye. It doesnt change what its included in. May 2nd of last year the president tweeted this. Our country needs a good shutdown, in september, to fix this mess. I dont know. Is that what hes asking for this morning, amie, by all of this, by giving democrats a reason to say no . Would there be any world in which he would want a shutdown . Its marred to say. The thing that really is mindboggling is democrats in the house would force democrats in the senate to force this and the dominos would have fallen and it would have been much easier to pass this thing going forward. Now hes kind of stopped that from happening. The whole thing is kind of up in the air. I think thats why a lot of people are throwing their hands up in the air going why are you doing this in the 11th hour . Matt lewis brings up a good point. Paul ryan might be on the phone with the president right now explaining this to him like paul ryan had to explain the fisa issue last week. Within the next hour we might see the president soften his language. Maybe the House Republicans continue to push this. If the c. H. I. P. Funding is still . There, no matter what the president says, maybe it doesnt change the equation. It may get to the 218. Thats what weve heard from democrats. Democrats dont want to shut down the government. Its not on brand for the democrats to shut down the government. They believe in government. Its more of a republican idea of shutting down the government. Him throwing in these wrenches and these sort of tantrums on twitter is leaving everything a mess. A quick show of hands as we go to break, do you think theres more likely a shutdown now more so than 30 minutes ago . Raise your hand if you think the answer is yes. Yes, ill do maybe a small one. Amie, where did you hand go . Im on the fence. Anything can happen. I think theyre willing to put something together maybe. Thank you, guys. The president s private Attorney Says the president is, in his words, very eager to sit down with special counsel bob mueller. But has anyone told the president that . He said something pretty different last week. Plus, what is being called Steve Bannons blunder. His purported slipup during a meeting with investigators on capitol hill. What wasnt he supposed to say and the scramble to save the seat. 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Ooh, ooh hot just gonna stay home on the farm, eat a beautiful idaho potato, and watch tv with my dog. Tv anncr the big idaho potato truck pulled into town today and its really a sight to see. Oh man. Lets go. distant you comin, boy . Sfx dog gulp woof. New this morning, President Trumps lawyer says President Trump is very eager to speak with bob mueller. Thats a far cry from what the president said a week ago. Well see whahappens. Certainly ill see what happens. Whenhey have no collusion and nobody has found any collusion at any level, it seems unlikely youd even have an interview. This as axios reports steve bannon had what they call a major slipup when he faced the House Intelligence Committee. He refused to answering a lot of questions, but did admit to talking to Top White House aides while inside the white house about the controversial trump tower meeting with a russian lawyering promising dirt on hillary clinton. Joining us is susan kennedy. Susan, lets begin with the stark contrast between what ty cobb said and what the president said a few days earlier. Is this the a dance over what the president will do and wont do in a potential interview with mueller . Weve seen the president shift his story over time, theyre happy to cooperate and then taking steps to limit the testimony. Its really hard to imagine that the president is genuinely eager to sit down with special counsel. Who is eager to sit down with federal investigators to answer sensitive questions. At the same time even ty cobb expressed nervousness. He said, i hope this isnt a interview with mueller. F the theres a l ovidef ee there that theyre willing to talk to special counsel mueller, but feeling pretty nervous about it. Also interesting from ty cobb, he says he thinks the whole thing will be wrapped up in four to six years. Timeline keeps changing. Before it was thanksgiving, then christmas. Now four to six weeks. Another key data point in the last 36 hours. Theres a delay in a checkin to do with a judge that was supposed to be this week. They pushed it back three months at least at this point, susan. What does that indicate to you about the timing of this whole thing . Ty c

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