track. look at the clock there. it is now less than 25 days until americans head to the polls so both campaigns today blitzing the swing states. trump is in north carolina. pence hits florida. bill clinton hits ohio and chelsea clinton is in pennsylvania. hillary clinton is notably absent. we will discuss why in a moment. let's begin with trump's response to the allegations. cnn senior political reporter manu raju joins me live. trump's camp vehementley denies the accusations but his running mate, mike pence, is the one out doing network interviews saying we have hard evidence and you will see that in a matter of hours. that's what he said on the "today" show. >> reporter: yeah. we'll see what it has to say. it's clearly an effort by donald trump to paint himself as the victim of an un rrelenting political and media establishment, the campaign trying to show themselves as the outsiders battling the insiders, also completely attacking these allegations saying they are completely false and vicious. here's a little bit of what he had to say yesterday when he fired up supporters in a very fiery speech yesterday afternoon. >> these vicious claims about me of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. we already have substantial evidence to dispute these lies and it will be made public in an appropriate way and at an appropriate time, very soon. >> reporter: so we will see what he has to say when he brings out this evidence, but i can tell you that republicans don't really know how to respond down ticket. they believe this race is spiraling out of control and they are trying to survive and control their own seats. later today, paul ryan expected to address college republicans, the first time he will answer questions today. we'll see if he addresses donald trump and these allegations. >> manu raju from madison, wisconsin, thank you. we appreciate it. multiple women have come forward, you have heard them. they detailed what they call sexual misconduct and unwanted advances at the hands of donald trump. one of them is a former miss usa contestant. she shared her story with don lemon last night. listen. >> they lined us all up and trump went down the line, and he shook your hand and you know, looked you over, looked you up and down, head to toe. it was just checking everybody out. >> and you thought, you felt? >> i felt very dirty. it was very creepy. it's kind of like when you're at a bar and a creepy guy is checking you out. that was the experience for me. >> donald trump and his campaign have staunchly denied all of the allegations brought against him, calling them quote, vicious reports, pure fiction and outright lies. for more on the allegations against donald trump, i'm joined by deb feyerick. these allegations span many years, many decades. one that has gotten the most attention, she did an interview with anderson last night, is from the '70s. >> absolutely. she's one of six women who cnn has confirmed were essentially the targets of unwanted attention by mr. trump. the woman's name is jessica leeds. she was 38 years old at the time. donald trump would have been about 35. they were sit ting on an airlin together in first class. they began to talk. then all of a sudden mr. trump raised the arm rest and began to move towards her. this is her story. >> he was grabbing my breasts and trying to turn me towards him, and kissing me and then after a bit, that's when his hands started going -- i was wearing a skirt and his hands started going towards my knee and up my skirt, and that's when i said i don't need this and i got up -- >> is that literally what you said? >> i don't know if i said it out loud or -- but -- >> that's what you were thinking? >> i do remember thinking the guy in the other seat, why doesn't he say something. >> do you know how long that went on for? >> not real long. no. no. i would say just about, what, 15 minutes. that's long enough. >> that's a long time. >> yeah. >> now this woman, jessica leeds, had a second encounter with mr. trump a couple years later, and she remembers it very, very vividly, as do many of the women who have made these allegations against him. mr. trump has no recollection of it but here's what miss leeds said happened at that time. >> i hand him the ticket for his table and he looks at me and he says i remember you. you're the woman from the airplane. now, he used another word. >> what did he say? >> it's obscene. it's obscene. i just -- i don't want to go there. >> you know, one of the reasons these women are now coming forward is because they watched the debate on sunday in which anderson asked mr. trump whether in fact he -- this was just talk, whether any of this had ever materialized. and he said no, no, it was just talk. a lot of women stood up and they said huh-uh, and the reaction has really been very immediate and very visceral as well. >> trump has said he will sue the "new york times" who first published miss leeds' story. the "times" said basically bring it on. >> absolutely. it's not just the "new york times." it's "the palm beach post." it's interesting because the "new york times" general counsel wrote a letter basically saying the essence of a libel claim is the protection of one's reputation. mr. trump has bragged about his nonconsensual touching of women. no suit has been filed but threats have been made. >> thank you. we appreciate it. we will talk about all of this. with me now to discuss it, democratic strategist and hillary clinton supporter robert zimmerman. cnn political analyst, rebecca berg, national political reporter for real clear politics. and david cantonese from "u.s. news and world report" and scottie nell hughes who supports donald trump. thank you for being here. good morning. yesterday, trump said he has evidence to disprove these allegations. today on the morning shows, his running mate mike pence doubled down. listen to what he told matt lauer on "today." >> if there's a time to come up with that evidence and show us that evidence, this is the time. has he shown you that evidence? >> well, matt, i think it's coming. it's coming in frankly probably in a matter of hours. i know melania trump, through her attorneys, has already reached out to one of the publications, "people" magazine, to call for a retraction. >> that's different than showing us evidence. >> well, just, you know, stay tuned. there's more information coming forward. but donald trump has made it very clear that he's categorically denied these allegations. he can't be more definitive than that. >> scottie nell, let me begin with you as a trump supporter. categorical denials, yes. evidence, no. we haven't seen any evidence refuting these claims. we hear that that will come in a matter of hours. what kind of evidence do you think that could be, because as deb just reported, there are six different claims here. >> well, unlike us talking about accusations, i as well like to have substance, i like to have facts. i think that's why we're waiting on this evidence. you can google, you can start doing your research and you will see there's definitely some loopholes and some issues with some of these women's stories that we need to talk about. >> let's talk through some of them. >> well, like i said, it's not my place to say because i have not seen what the trump team is actually reviewing. i have my own personal experience -- >> what are the loopholes? >> there are. >> what are they? what are they? >> this is my own personal experience. miss usa even admitted when we were talking about miss arizona, even t beauty pageant winner admitted there were chaperones in the room. isn't that the whole job of a chaperone -- >> what? >> chaperones in the room. there were contestants and chaperones when mr. trump entered the room. that is the sole job of a chaperone is to make sure inappropriate activities do not exist. you have to look at the timing of this. >> are you saying because there were chaperones it didn't happen? are you saying they're lying? >> if a chaperone was in the room, she should have -- first of all, stopped it from happening. that is their sole job. more importantly it should have been made prominent, should have been made public. something other than 20 something odd days before an election. that's just one of them. that's my own personal observation. there's other evidence out there. let's wait, let's actually deal in facts now, not pure accusations. we are in america. we are innocent until proven guilty. >> we are waiting for that evidence to come out. as soon as it does, i can guarantee it will be on cnn. let's listen to what was said this morning, just a few hours ago, on "morning joe." ben carson, a big obviously primary competitor with mr. trump, now a supporter of mr. trump, was asked about these accusations. let's listen. >> are you saying that these women are lying? >> that's your characterization because you need to characterize it that way to try to make me the bad guy. >> no, no, no, no. you just said -- it's a question. >> stop. stop. stop. stop. stop, stop, stop, hey, can you turn her microphone off, please? >> no. >> turn her microphone off so i can talk? >> no. no. it's a simple question. yes or no, do you believe these women are lying or not? nobody's trying to paint you as a bad guy. we just want an answer. straight talk. >> it doesn't matter whether they're lying or not. >> of course it matters. >> listen, it doesn't matter whether they're lying or not. what matters is that the train is going off the cliff. we are taking our eye off of that. we are getting involved in other -- [ speaking simultaneously ] >> rebecca, your thoughts? >> it's pretty amazing to me that ben carson would get on television and say that it doesn't matter whether these women are being truthful because of course, if they are being truthful and there's no evidence so far to dispute their accounts, this is a very bad piece of news for donald trump. it really lends itself to this larger narrative that he does demean women, that he don't treat them with respect. this is a very serious problem for the trump campaign. i think donald trump himself realizes that and recognizes that based on the public statements he has been making and the push-back he has been making. but it's really crucial that we have not yet seen this evidence that donald trump keeps talking about to potentially dispute these women's accounts. it really shows me at least that this campaign was not prepared for some of the attacks that might face them, and donald trump notably is one of the few presidential candidates in my recent memory who hasn't submitted to extensive vetting within his own organization so that they could be prepared for some of these attacks. >> it's interesting, anderson cooper asked cory lewandowski last night, trump's former campaign manager, about the reporting that's been out there that apparently lewandowski wanted to do opposition research on his own candidate and trump denied that request. anderson asked if that was true and lewandowski said he wasn't getting into that. you say you believe they weren't prepared for some of what was to come. at the same time, look at the numbers. let's pull up this fox news poll. brand new fox news poll not only shows clinton ahead nationally by seven points. what it shows is a 19-point gap among female voters, republican and democratic voters, women. he is behind by 19 points. what does he need to say, to do, to narrow that divide? >> look, there's not going to be evidence to disprove this happened. how are you going to provide evidence to show that he didn't put his hand up a woman's skirt some 20, 30 years ago, that he didn't force himself on a woman in a pageant 10, 15 years ago? there's not going to be irrefutable evidence. this is a case of now six women coming out against his word and it looks worse and worse by the day. now, if you're a republican, you are probably pretty suspect about the timing of this, that all these women came out at once, decided to come out at once. i think that's a legitimate question of why they came out now. but look, donald trump was already losing this campaign, already in a terrible position with women, before all of this happened. >> we know just to jump in there, robert, what trump's response is and his surrogates' response often is, but look at how bill clinton treated women when he was in the white house, then when you say well, he's not running for president, they point out hillary clinton and they say look at how she treated those women or things she said in public and private about those women. do you think it would behoove hillary clinton to speak more publicly about that time, to speak more publicly about those women? >> absolutely not. because those situations are not germane to her canned ddidacy o her. tom foreman and jeffrey toobin made it very clear hillary clinton had very little to do with those situations -- >> why not? those women do feel, if you are talking about believing everyone, right, those women do feel like hillary clinton shamed them or pressured them not into saying anything. i absolutely understand the facts and that they are very important and tom foreman laid them out on cnn. you can go to cnn.com. but my question is, why would it not behoove her to speak more openly about them and address what they are saying this presidential candidate, how she made them feel? that's my question. >> because here's the point. hillary clinton didn't in fact target these individuals despite all the right wing spin about that. she obviously defended her marriage and her husband, but the more important point is, she's focusing on running for president, focusing on her vision for the future for this country, and let's also remember it was donald trump who didn't believe those women that attacked -- that attacked bill clinton, he called them vile names and in fact, the chief prosecutor in fact persecutor against bill clinton in fact also didn't investigate many of those individuals as well, because he didn't believe them as well. so it's very important for hillary clinton to keep focused on her message, on her future and the country and not fall into the trap of engaging in the right wing spin or the right wing debate. at the end of the day, donald trump has to hold himself accountable because the issues at stake are issues he bragged about doing. he's the validator. >> have to leave it there. thank you all very much. coming up, michelle obama's trump take-down. you have heard it by now. she didn't even have to say his name. it made waves. ♪ everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. inside everyone is an incredible cook, someone who can cook an amazing meal any night of the week. farm fresh ingredients, step-by-step recipes, delivered to your door for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery blueapron.com/cook. and still haveealthy, gum disease. use gum® brand for healthy gums. soft-picks®. proxabrush® cleaners. flossers and dental floss. gum® brand. hillary clinton has harnessed the star power of the white house enlisting the president, vice president and first relady to campaign for he. but their speeches, anything but typical stump speeches. they confronted the sexual assault allegations against donald trump head on and the first lady, michelle obama, gave weight to why some call her the closer. >> because i can tell you that the men in my life do not talk about women like this and i know that my family is not unusual, and to dismiss this as everyday locker room talk is an insult to decent men everywhere. the men that you and i know don't treat women this way. they are loving fathers who are sickened by the thought of their daughters being exposed to this kind of vicious language about women. >> let's bring in cnn senior political correspondent breamna keilar. michelle obama is getting the most attention from what she said yesterday, this at the same time hillary clinton is not out campaigning today. she's raising money. why that strategy? >> i think she's trying to keep her powder dry. right now the clinton campaign believes that donald trump is in free-fall and they don't want to do anything that will cushion his landing in any way. you can see that when you see how they respond to the leaks of john podesta's hacked e-mails, the wikileaks e-mails and the things in there they just don't want to discuss. they are even saying they are basically raising the question of whether they are real or not. if they were fake, they would certainly say some of the individual e-mails are fake. you can see they are trying to kind of pivot away from her doing anything in a forum that is going to make news. they want the news to be donald trump and what are really bad headlines for him. at the same time there's a concern, this is something hillary clinton outlined in a very safe forum on the "ellen" show and that is that some voters may think that she's actually doing well enough that they will stay home and not go to the polls. here's what she said. >> there's a lot that is coming out which is distressing on many levels, but i don't want anybody to think this election's over, because it's been so unpredictable up until now that i'm not taking anything for granted. we have got to work really hard for the next three and a half weeks because who knows, who knows what can happen. >> the big concern is the enthusiasm factor. there are some voters out there who really would like to not vote for either one of these candidates but some of them i think, they think in a pinch, would maybe vote for hillary clinton because they don't like donald trump but if they feel she's doing well in the polls they will say you know what, i'm not going to go out to the polls. i think that's a concern the clinton campaign is having right now. >> absolutely. i have heard it from so many people not excited at all about going to the polls for either candidate. thank you very much for that from washington. let's bring in robert zimmerman and scottie nell hughes. let's talk about the enthusiasm gap quickly first, because i heard it yesterday from a clinton supporter who said to me why isn't she doing better with all this. take a look, the national polls matter but the swing state polls really, really matter. when you look at ohio, robert, they are within one point. trump is beating clinton by one point in the critical swing state of ohio. why is it that hillary clinton is not out there rallying her base? why is it that she's not exciting people that are on the fence and instead, staying off the trail, keeping her powder dry, raising more money? >> actually, in fairness, not only is she raising more money which has helped build her campaign to this level, let's also remember she's also doing debate prep and she has won the last two debates very solidly. i think her strategy is working in that regard. let's also be realistic about the fact we are a divided nation. as a matter of fact, bill clinton himself never got 50% when he ran for re-election. barack obama only won by 4% over mitt romney. let's understand this is going to be a close election. >> are you saying there's as much enthusiasm for her right now as there was for barack obama in 2008? >> i think clearly her enthusiasm is growing, as larry sabato pointed out, enthusiasm for democrats grows as the campaign moves closer to the end. we are growing there. but the bigger point is democrats have to understand this is going to be a close election. we can't take any margin in the polls for granted, and the greater concern i have personally is that the level of attacks that are coming at both hillary clinton, the reality of donald trump's conduct, it could clearly suppress the vote. could clearly convince people just to stay home because they are disgusted. that's not the answer. >> it's an interesting point about suppressing the vote. kellyanne conway, trump's campaign manager, as you both well know, scottie, was on cnn this week with anderson cooper and he asked her about that strategy. is it the strategy of the trump campaign right now three weeks out to basically suppress turnout from clinton's supporters. do you believe there's merit to that argument and if so, is that a smart strategy? >> i think there's merit to that argument but let me take off my trump supporter hat and put back on my strategy hat. i think this is a problem both campaigns have right now. as i talk to every day people, the question isn't about am i going to support hillary or trump. the question is am i going to vote and if i vote, am i going to be held responsible for whoever gets put in the oval office, the actions they do. i feel like america right now because it's gotten so dirty on both sides are like i don't want to have any responsibility, i don't want people to look at me and say that's your person, you voted for them. i feel like that detachment is coming from both sides. now, on the trump side, the one good thing is we are seeing his rallies are bigger than ever. 10, 15, 20, 25,000 people standing in line, doing these rallies. if anything, this is energized his base for sure. >> he already has his base. scottie, he already has his base. >> but it's about motivated. >> he doesn't need to convince them. he needs to convince others, right? you want him to win. what would you whisper in his ear to get those on the fence to come out for him? >> well, he's got some cards stacked against him right now because i think hillary clinton is smart in doing this, she's staying off so she's not asked about everything going on with wikileaks that's coming out. that's extremely damning to her. so she's staying off the trail so she doesn't have to answer those questions. >> to be clear, she has held far more press conferences than donald trump has in the last month and a half, two months. since she started holding them again. >> also, scottie -- >> i don't consider being on a plane a press conference. you talk about both sides not talking to the other side's media, the more favorable media. >> 30 seconds. final thought. final thought. >> excuse me, scottie. let's be clear. whatever she is talking to the press, it's a great deal more than donald trump is doing in terms of talking to the press. but the bigger point is, as you see hillary clinton has more and more support amongst swing voters. now she's winning among suburban women by 24%, winning among women by 19%. you see a campaign that's growing and building support. >> got to leave it there. it comes down to election day and it doesn't matter what we say. it matters what the voters do. have a great weekend. thank you for being with me. coming up, trump and clinton are in a virtual tie as we just showed you in ohio, but can trump voters win over, can trump win over the voters there by a wide enough margin? 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talk to your doctor about xiidra. welcome back. this is "cnn newsroom." i'm poppy harlow. so glad you're with us. the candidates and their surrogates barnstorming ohio and here's why. a brand new poll shows this race could not be tighter in the buckeye state. that's why you have the president and bill clinton there today. the stakes could not be higher. no one has won the white house without winning ohio since 1960. jobs and the economy are a top worry there and in other key swing states like pennsylvania and florida. so we have been traveling through those states hearing first-hand from the voters. here's what they told us in ohio. >> this neighborhood in cleveland, ohio was one of the strongest for president obama in 2012. mitt romney did not get a single vote from people living in these homes. not one. people living here have been struggling economically for a long time and they still are. so the question is, will they come out in droves for hillary clinton the way they did for president obama? >> hillary! >> hilary is the best candidate. >> that's a no-brainer. >> reporter: there have been decades of economic despair and a dwindling faith that politicians will help. >> i think the democratic platform has said the same thing we have heard for about the past 50 years. >> reporter: over and over. >> over and over. >> reporter: since the war on poverty was declared. jeff crosby used to be in gangs. that landed him in prison. now he's working to keep kids from the same life he lived. >> it's one of the highest crime areas in cleveland. >> reporter: this is. >> yes. about ten gangs over here. what's up? you good? >> yeah. >> i think the democratic party is taking us for granted. the republican party literally ignores us except for trump. trump is striving to make anyone roads but he's a polarized figure. >> i just don't trust' donald. >> because he got money? that ain't everything. >> i'm willing to vote for a clown before donald trump. >> reporter: really? >> yes. with a red nose. i do agree with republicans sometimes but i don't agree with nothing that donald trump stands for. >> reporter: that brings us to the second part of this ohio chapter. 200 miles south. we are in pike county, ohio, and this place matters a lot. not for the number of votes here, but because of what it represents. it used to be solidly blue but it's been moving more and more red. in 2012, this was the closest county in the country. mitt romney won here by a single vote, just one vote. it's 96% white, largely blue collar and unemployment here is high. these are exactly the voters donald trump has been speaking to. if his message isn't resonating here, he's in trouble. >> i would say right now you're looking at a coin toss. >> reporter: coin toss among union workers who until now have been solidly blue. have you ever seen anything like that before? >> no. >> reporter: donald trump says he's the one to bring these jobs back. he's the one to build up your industry. >> donald trump is saying that, that's total propaganda. where's his merchandise made? what does he have to offer to american industry? nothing. >> reporter: many here do believe trump and see him as their best shot at getting ahead. since 2000, ohio has lost nearly a third of its manufacturing jobs. >> he got a lot of things that is amazing that he's telling us he can do for us. >> reporter: angie runs a real estate firm here. >> it means more jobs, better paying jobs. >> reporter: you voted for president obama in 2008. >> yes, i did. >> reporter: her faith in the obama administration has faded. >> i think trump is a businessman and the country is a business and needs to be run as a business. >> reporter: when we met angie she was leaning towards trump. now after the "access hollywood" tape surfaced she's reconsidering. you are a life-long democrat? >> yes. >> reporter: you are voting for hillary? >> no, i'm not. >> reporter: no? >> my dad was a coal miner. they put the coal miners out of work. >> reporter: we left ohio asking this question. why does economic pain from one town to the next push some people left and others right. >> see the voters there are clearly divided on who will be better for their personal economy. this was filmed before the 2005 "access hollywood" tape of donald trump surfaced. we called back all of those trump supporters in all the swing states and nearly every one with the exception of just a few are still supporting donald trump. you can see much more on our special report, your money, your vote tomorrow night 7:30 p.m. eastern here on cnn. coming up, a rare surgery separating two toddlers conjoined at the head. 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how are the guys? they look ready. >> reporter: 7:15 a.m. this is the day the mcdonalds have been waiting for for the last year. the hope that jaden and anias, 13 month old conjoined twins, will be separated at last. what were you thinking when we went down the hall this morning? what was going through your mind? >> it's not real. it's really not even real. to me it's like another surgery from before. >> are you talking to me? >> reporter: the boys were born sharing 1.5 centimeters of brain tissue. they have undergone through complex operations over the past five months to slowly separate them. today, is the fourth and final stage. >> here is the model of our present set of twins. and we have, this is anias on this side and this is jaden on this side. >> reporter: no one in the world has operated on more twins than neurosurgeon dr. james goodrich. when you first met the mcdonalds did you lay out any specific statistics? how did you approach it with them? was it more of a scientific discussion or emotional one? >> the goal is to ideally have both children come out without neurological issues but one has to be realistic. you cannot separate two brains, particularly if there is fusion, without the potential risk of something happening. >> reporter: helping improve those chances of a good outcome, 3-d models like these. life-like, anatomically perfect and available in the operating room. they act as a blueprint to practice and review before the operation even begins. want to give you an idea of what's happening here. in order to do this operation they have to continuously move the twins so this is the position they are in beforehand and they essentially flip like this and then like this so now they will focus on this part of the bone and this part of the brain. 4:30 p.m. just about seven hours after the operation began, nicole, christian and their entire family are playing the waiting game. do you feel anxious? are you settled? how do you feel? >> like i have a little nervous energy. >> reporter: how about you, nicole? >> what's waiting in my stomach is for that phone call, okay, we're into i call it the land of the unknown. >> reporter: an hour later, the surgical team hits the land of the unknown. then well past midnight, they continue to work through the twins' brains vein by vein. then 2:11 a.m. it's been about 17 hours now since they started operating. you can see for the first time jaden and anias are on two separate operating room tables. >> incredible. two separate operating tables. >> first time in their lives. >> how are the boys doing? >> well, this literally is just ending. jaden is -- went up to the intensive care unit. he was doing pretty well. anias literally just got out of the operating room. longest operation ever for this surgeon separating conjoined twins. it will take some time. the whole team knows that. the boys will stay sedated for a period of time still. >> how did the parents come to this decision? for me, watching it this morning and thinking how does a parent decide to do this? >> you know, it was very difficult. this is in some ways not just a life improving operation but some could argue a life saving operation as well. conjoined twins, twins who are conjoined this way, 80% don't make it to their second birthday. only 10% of them survive to their tenth birthday after the age of 2. but they still had a hard decision. the mom said to me i'm grieving today, the day of the operation, i'm grieving because i know my boys should be separated but i love them the way they are. >> of course. >> and that was really powerful because she's so used to interacting with them and they are delightful, they have their individual personalities. >> one is the quieter one, one is more -- >> he tries to roll over to try to get the other one. he steals his toys. it's really interesting. >> to hear her say they are perfect, that just shows you a mother's and a parent's love for these amazing kids. >> no question. and she found out, she did all the research and did this all on her own, moved her family from southern illinois, small town, to the bronx all for the love of her family. >> incredible. i know you will bring us the story when these two little boys are running around. >> i hope to. i really hope to. >> sanjay, thank you. we'll be right back. you knmegared omega-3s... but did you know your eyes, your brain, and your joints really love them too? 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>> yes. >> it only gets better, my friend. >> be sure to watch anthony bourdain's "parts unknown" sunday night 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. that does it for me. see you back here tomorrow afternoon. for now, "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hello. i'm john berman. >> i'm kate bolduan. happy friday. look at live pictures right now of cleveland, ohio. hello, cleveland. john made me do it. a battleground state where early voting started just this week, where any minute now, president obama will be campaigning for hillary clinton. we will bring you there live as soon as it begins. donald trump also hitting a battleground today. north carolina. yesterday, he went to battle against the women accusing trump of forcing himself on them in years past. trump calls the claims outright lies and calls the accusers horrible liars. one of those accusers, jessica leeds, says donald trump assaulted her on a plane more than 30 years ago.