Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello 201512

Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Carol Costello 20151204

Than one terrorism suspect the fbi was investigating and they may have been trying to cover their tracks, this married couple. Inside their home, police find a computer with its hard drive missing and two smashed cell phones found near one of the crime scenes. Also inside the homes thousands of rounds of ammunition and a dozen bombs and materials to make even more explosives. The photos obtained by cbs news also say the Remote Control car and unexploded bombs found at the site of the massacre. The family though is still in disbelief. I could never imagine my brother or my sisterinlaw doing Something Like. This especially because they were happily married and a six month old daughter. Its mind boggling. We cant imagine the loss everybody has gone through. All the people injured and hurt badly. Our thoughts and prayers are going out to them. We have a lot to cover this morning. But lets begin with the investigation. Victor blackwell is in redlands outside the couples home. What have you found out . Reporter it a peers the physical evidence here has been completed here. You can see over my shoulder the window and front door have been board up, effectively shutting down whats been described as the bombmakie inine inine inin. Now trying to get answers to the questions why. Two smashed cell phones thought to belonged to them. Also found a computer with a missing hard drive. Investigators believe it may have been removed or destroyed potentially to cover their tracks. Investigators issuing subpoenas to Major Service providers to try and retrieve information. If you look at the preplanning that went in, there was obviously a mission. We know that. We dont know why. It would be irresponsible and premature to call this terrorism. Rizwan farook appears to be radicalized and has had contact with International Terror suspects. The fbi has been cautious not to rule out any possible motives. It is possible this is terrorist related, but we dont know. It is also possible it is workplace related. 12 pipe bombs. Hundreds of tools that could be used to make more bombs, and thousands of rounz of ammunition. These videos report to show explosive devices found at the home. We intercepted them before that happened obviously. Overnight, one of the First Police Officers on the scene of the shooting describing it as an unprecedented tragedy in his career. It was unspeakable, the koornage that we were seeing, the number of people who were injured and unfortunately already dead. And the pure panic on the face of those individuals that were still in need and needing to be safe. Hundreds gathering late thursday inside san manuel stadium in San Bernardino to mourn. God bless america as the names of each of the 14 victims were read aloud. So far no manifesto discovered but a Law Enforcement official tells cnn also the fbi has begun interviewing farooks family members and they are said to be cooperating. Carol . Victor, reporting from nearby from that redlands neighborhood where the couple lived. Sources also tell us that farook appears to have been radicalized. But there are reports that point the blame elsewhere. So lets talk about that. Buck sexton is a former cia intelligence analyst. And also retired sergeant who served 20 years with the apd. Im going to cough. Because frankly there is smoke in the air. And we dont know where it is coming from. I apologize. I want to play part of an interview from cbs this morning from a coworker who sat near farook the past five years in that county building behind me. Lets listen. Do you believe that he was radicalized . Yes. By the wife. I think he married a terrorist. He married a terrorist . Yes. So we dont know what he bases that on. But buck, what do you make of it . Given how careful were being about making any sweeping conclusions here or coming to any conclusions, i think honestly too cautious and careful in some ways when it comes to deciding this was terrorism. I i you could say you are 99 sure this was terrorism and you have this one individual who blames the wife. We would certainly need to know more than just his word here. But if you line this up on a sheet of what you would expect in kind of incident, if it was in fact Jihadist Terrorism, which i would say it is a 95 or 99 uncertainty at this point that it was. It would all be checked off. So that this would be one more addition i dont think is particularly meaningful one way or the other to get a better sense of how maybe this could have been caught by Law Enforcement. She passed a check. As, you know, they purchased the firearms legally. Im not sure there is a lot we can take from who in the relationship was quicker to radicalize and well have to know more about their digital fingerprint to get that 100 certainty everybody seems to be bent on getting. Police also found smashed cell phones in a garbage can near their home, and a computer hard drive that was missing. Do those things points to terrorism as well. I have a different slant on that. And although they were obviously trying to hide what they were doing, i dont really blame the wife. And i dont view this as the terrorist, jihadist type of activity. I think it is a workplace issue. And im not really convinced that the wife was actually a willing participant. Shes not here to tell us, right . And understanding the cultural difference, women dont run those households, so perhaps she was coerced or even forced to participant. We just dont know. They had all of that fire power with them. They had cover their faces. Police they certain on to another mission. That wouldnt be just a workplace. Thats speculation that they were on to another mission. And we dont know that. I believe if they wanted to act more damage they could have in that building. They were focused on people in that room that were coworkers. And they could have attacked others on their way in and out. And we know there was a significant amount of time between the time they were murdered or killed and the time they left that facility. They didnt hurt anyone after they left. So for me this seemed very christopher dorneresque with a twist. The brotherinlaw interviewed on nbc this morning said pretty much the same thing. His brother was a bad thing and he had problems at work and it was Workplace Violence. That would seem to ignore many data points. For example when were already going through the backgrounds of the individual. We were told for example in the first 24 hours one of them had appeared to have become more religious and may in fact had radicalized in the last year or two. When you also look at the preparations they made here for what would be called Workplace Violence would be extreme. And even beyond that the notion that a husband and wife team would be engaged in workplace olence would be something of a first. As i said are, if you are lining these up, this is a near certainty this is Jihadist Terrorism in my opinion. I know they are slow to say it because there are pressure at the top coming from people. That is why there is so much foot dragging. That is why everybody is saying we cant find the motive. The motive to most i know who have worked in counterterrorism is obvious and clear at this point if we want to get to that last 1 or 5 certainty i can understand that. But i think at this point it should be treated as the terrorist act at least and that is how its being investigated. Thank you so much. In the meantime the attorneys for the families are speaking with cnn and questioning accounts of the massacre. They are doubting the accuracy of the information from police, including reports that farook was radicalized. Im just telling you straight out that it doesnt it doesnt make sense. It looks like if somebody had military training or something, yes. But there was none of that. And this person was not aggressive. We sat with the fbi for three hours and they tried to identify some characteristics or some affiliations he might have had to could have led him to act in this way and they couldnt find anything. They were totally stumped. Totally frustrated. Okay. Were going to have much more from this interview coming your way in just about 20 minutes. We also have new details about the 14 people who were killed. Victims like robert a. Dams, who married his teenage sweetheart and cherished his 1yearold daughter. And a mother of three who moved to the u. S. From iran to escape religious persecution. And yvette, she leaves behind her parents and three sisters. Last night the president spoke about the victims. Their loss is our loss too. For we are all one american family. We look out for each other. In good times and in bad. And they should know that all of us care about them this holiday season. They are in our thoughts. They are in our prayers. And we send them our love. Dr. Sanjay gupta joins me now. 21 were also injured in that attack and you have been following their progress. A lot of families have been coming out of hospital, carol and i think just wanting to talk. I think it relieves some of their anxiety. I think it is cathartic in some way. And one of the family members gave me details about what happened to her. And describes her sort of lucky. Which is a strange word to use in this context but take a listen to what he said. Finished in the restroom just went going back towards the Conference Room at the moment got all the bullet was flying towards her. And she got she with a few other people hide inside the bathroom. Four, five people together. And she realized her hands are bleeding and her stomach also got hit but not lifethreatening. Right hand was a little more serious. It went in and out. And the left was much less serious injury. So it is like a miracle. And two bullet came above her head and hit the wall. It is a miracle the way she survived. Again, used the word miracle. But she walked into the bathroom and came out and i guess the shooting had already started in the hallway before they went into the kompb Conference Room and she ducked back. Also, all the doctors that went into the hospital, they hear what is happening and they just go. And this picture was just sort of remarkable. There are four or five doctors at every bed just waiting for the patients to come in. That was what it took to be prepared. And as a result in this hospital, arrowhead, six patients i think they are all going to do well, they are going to be discharged over the next several days. Great sanjay. Thank you for that. Still to come in the newsroom. It doesnt matter what the name of your city is, you have to be prepared to deal with it. One on one with the first responders. They tell me about what it was like to arrive on the scene first. Aveeno® positively radiant moisturizer. With active naturals® soy. Aveeno® naturally beautiful results®. Feel it start to kind of wrap itself around me. Lowly then the next thing i know its morning. With tempurflex youve got the spring and bounce of a traditional mattress then it also adjusts to my body. My cloud feels so comfortable. It feels like somebodys hugging you. How can a bed do that . vo theres a tempurpedic for everyone. Find the feel thats right for you. Give yourself the gift of your best nights sleep. 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But at the same time we all recognized it was a real call and just immediately switched modes and responded. So how long did it take you to get to the scene . Gosh i dont. It was like 4 00, right . It was quick. We had a quick response. So as you entered the building, it had to be intense. It was very intense, you know. Its the scene of a tragedy. And you just witnessed a tragedy unfold. Were there shots being fired as you entered the building. No. The shots had already they had already ceased by then. But it was a tragedy. In the same respect you understand there is a very real threat out there that is willing to coharm to more people and the idea is to get to the threat. We have a tactical medic with us and they immediately went into a triage mode. He was the first there offering medical aid. And his experience i think probably saved some lives. We saw someones cell phone video and we heard one Police Officer say, dont worry if anybodys going to be shot it is going to be me. Ill take the bullet for myself. Who was that officer. I dont know. But that mentality carries through the Law Enforcement and that is the code that these officers live by. And that is what they are willing to do every day. Take me through that process. You get into this bear cat. And what happens . Were responding to the scene. We trying to get there, we know an officer has been shot. We know it is obviously a highly critical or a Critical Incident in which more lives will be lost so were trying to get the Armored Vehicle there as fast as we can, with the intention of being able to provide some level of safety to the officers taking the gunfire, or the citizens in the neighborhood. So as the bear cat pulled up to that suv, could you see into the vehicle and see what might have been inside the car. We could tell we had a suspect in the backseat. We could tell that the suspect was armed with a long rifle. Later found to be an Assault Rifle. But we couldnt exactly see much more than that. They had 1400 Assault Rifle round, 200 handgun rounds. They had fired 76 shots at officers. Officersed had returned fire. They had thrown what looked like pipe bombs out of the vehicle. Stills you are approaching, even with the Armored Vehicle it had to be nerve wracking. It is nerve wracking but i mean who else is going to go up there . Did you ever think this kind of thing would happen in San Bernardino. I think we just live in an age where it doesnt matter what the name of your city, you have to be prepared to deal with it. Fortunately the men of our department were trained to deal with this to the best of their ability and i think it was on full display yesterday. My thanks to lieutenant walker and Sergeant Harris and as great as that operation went, you know, they have prevented loss of life, more loss of life i should say. The day after the tragedy, lieutenant walker called all of the s. W. A. T. Team members into a room and they sat down and went over what they did right, what i they did wrong, what they could do better and how they could be better prepared for the next time because no one believes that a next time wont come. Still to come in the news room, attorneys for the family of the San Bernardino shooter speak out the cnn. It just doesnt make sense for these two to be able to act like some kind of bonny and clyde or something. It is just ridiculous. Well hear more from their attorneys next. Came out today thousands of people to run the race for retirement. So we asked them. Are you completely prepared for retirement . Okay, mostly prepared . Could you save 1 more of your income . It doesnt sound like much, but saving an additional 1 now, could make a big difference over time. Im going to be even better about saving. You can do it, it helps in the long run. Prudential bring your challenges its a housewife whos in control of the finances. 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