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Virginia this morning. He talked with alisons boyfriend and her father earlier. Tell us more, chris. Carol in these situations the big question is always why. And maybe the best way to have something positive come out of this is to remind us of what is lost and the value of human life involved, that maybe it moved an unsettled soul to think before they commit violence. And we have beautiful opportunities to get to know who was lost and understand the value that these people held, even at this young age. 24yearold Alison Parker, 27yearold adam ward. The father wanted even in his pain to let people know what was missing now in his life and what the situation means to him. Heres some of what he had to say. Its sense less that her life and adams life were taken by a crazy person with a gun. And if i have to be the john walsh of gun control and look, im for the Second Amendment, but there has to be a way to force politicians that are cowards and in the pockets of the nra to come to grips and have sensible laws so that crazy people cant get guns. It cant be that hard. And yet politicians from the local level to the state level to the national level, they sidestep the issue, they kick the can down the road. This cant happen anymore because alison was one of you guys. This has got to hit home for journalists. She would be texting me right now, saying, dad, what did you think of my story. What did you think of it . Im never going to hear that again. She was so loved by all. And my heart is broken. But i want to try and do something that will change that and make her life will do something meaningful for her life so this doesnt happen to someone else again. She was a special young lady and i think people across the country and certainly around here realize that. We at least take solace in the fact that she lived she was only 24. She just turned 24 last week. And she packed in a great life in 24 years. She did a lot of things. And she was most of all, she was happy with what she was doing. She loved what she was doing. She loved her family. She loved chris very much. At least we know from the Law Enforcement officials she didnt suffer. And you know she led a happy life. But i just wish i could touch her soul right now. Because im sorry. I its tough for me right now. Of course its tough for him right now, carol. And you know, as you well know and you handle these situations very delicately. You dont want to make something more difficult for a man, a parent in andys position. He believes things need to change. And he deserves that opportunity, especially now. And her boyfriend, chris hurst, is an anchor here at wdbj, what the community is calling their news family. And he wants people to know that alison was only 24, but she was so much more than her age. She had lived so much. And she had given him a love for nine months that most people never have in their lives. Our love story is just like, i think, adam and melissas. And real quick, adam was the best boyfriend and fiance. Way better than me. Going the extra mile to prove his love to melissa was something that i have never seen before. And the way he proposed to her was elaborate and well executed. They were going to be a wonderful married couple. What did he do . He said it up so that she was exactly where he wanted to be, got down on one knee. And always made melissa feel special. These were two people like myself who maybe never thought they could get that kind of love and they got it. It was at the christmas Station Party last year, the way she looked. Youve seen her. Beautiful, stunning. And the energy that came out of her also. Inside and out. I saw her at the Christmas Party wearing this gold sequinned dress. And everybody said she looked a little bit like taylor swift. And she had this beautiful red lipstick on. I stood in the corner and said, chris, youve got to do something or youre a fool. And something came over me. And i went up and made my move and asked her out a couple of days later. And we had our first date on january 1st. You said you felt tremendously lucky. You couldnt believe she returned the affection. Yes. Im not one to really put myself out there for dating. Its a tough job that we have. And we dont get a lot of free time. People in the business tend to know each other and get each other and we got each other. Something came over me and i decided to go for it. We were both so lucky that that occurred because she told me and her parents told me last night that she was the love of my life and i was the love of her life. These situations, we see them so often and every one has its own special qualities and all of them share the same horrible questions. For all the unknowns that remain, carol, we hope for a better discussion than what weve had in the past. But you never know. What is known is that this young women and this young man were very special people to those in their lives and those in this community that they touched. You know, we remember victims like this in each and other incident that happens where gun violence is to blame. And nothing is ever done and nothing ever changes because people hide behind their old tired arguments. And ill just say it. It makes me angry. It just makes me angry. I think thats understandable. I think its an emotion thats shared here on the ground and in the community. And you know, yet this woman came up to me yesterday and shes been here her whole life. What she spoke about was the anger, that theres too much of it and not the righteous one that youre discussing, but how people treat one another and how they voice their own problems and how they deal with whats going on inside of them and how we treat each other. And yes, guns, yes, Mental Illness. When you tell a story about what is lost and how beautiful these people were and how much they had to offer, you hope that if nothing else that may move an unsettled soul to think before they decide to hurt others. I wish i could believe you, but i dont think so, because the answer to rage in this country has become, hey, you disrespected me, im just going to pull a gun and ill cull my rage that way. We have to get rid of that. We dont have respect for guns anymore. Look, i hear you. Y youre making smart points. Know what the status of the debate is, we know what the questions are. This country for all the talk about money and politics and corruption has always ultimately been what the people want to make it. And these situation raise the same questions every time. Where it leads often winds up making the hope for change just that, only hope. And you just hope that it gets better and the conversation is had. More than anything else, we want the people who remember who was lost here and remember what it means to their loved ones. Thanks. Well get back to you. I appreciate it. To the tabloids here in new york the daily news and the post are facing outrage today for their shocking front pages. Im not going to show you the front pages. I have them right here. But on the pages of both are freeze frames of the camera. Angry tweets. Just went to get coffee and saw the covers. Cant believe their front covers. And then in all caps disrespectful. Another tweet, the entire daily News Editorial Team should be fired. And this,almost tweeted out the appalling deal daily news cover before realizing thats exactly what theyre trying to get you to do. With me now roanoke mayor david bowers and marly e ly otoole. I want to get your reaction to these covers. I havent seen them. But they remind me of matthew bra brady, the civil war photographer who took pictures of the battle scenes of the civil war. They were appalling and provocative at the time but they helped the American People begin to understand the horrors of war. I mean, at some point when are we going to understand the horrors of gun violence in our country. How many massacres do we have to have at Virginia Tech or Church Shootings in charleston or Movie Theater shootings in lafayette, louisiana, or shooting of journalists here in roanoke before the public cries out and says what it is that they want us to do. We just havent reached a consensus on this in america in my opinion. It is interesting what you say about these tabloid covers though, mr. Mayor. You say in some way maybe they can show the horror of gun violence and maybe something will be done . I guess, again, i would say that was the effect that Matthew Brady had 150 years ago on the American Public. Theyre horrible pictures, i would guess. Ive not seen them. The shooting itself was live on television here in roanoke. I didnt see it. I saw the film afterwards. Its horrible and sickening and maybe it will cause us to think about the horror of gun violence in our country and how it seems to be more and more prevalent. And innocent people are dying. I knew Alison Parker. I knew of adam ward. I didnt deal with them as closely. She was bright and intelligent and she just had a great energy in the mornings here at wdbj. I think everybody did love her and the community is mourning the loss that these two roanokers today. This killer, he was never deemed mentally ill, so he was easily able to buy a gun, right . I dont know the circumstances of that. He bought a gun. These are the circumstances that cnn uncovered. So he was easily able to buy this gun. Mr. Mayor, what is the answer in your mind to stemming gun violence . Do we need gun control laws . I think people ought to go back to church. I think in america people ought to go back to church. I have a saying on a plaque in my house. When life gets to be too much for you,just kneel. Thats what i believe. I think people ought to pray more. We are praying for these poor souls now. Were praying for these families. Were praying for these wdbj employees family. Were worried in communities about these things happening. One thing is to pray, go to church, do positive things instead of all the crazy things in our society we seem to be doing with drugs and Domestic Violence and drinking and all the other things that seem to be awful in our society now. I also believe in the power of prayer, mr. Mayor. I also believe in the power of pr pr prayor and i believe deeply in god. But i believe praying would be the solviolence in our country. There has to be a lot of thought, a lot of prayer, a lot of consensus building. To my way of thinking, thats the very first thing weve got to do. Thank you so much for joining me. I so appreciate it. Now id like to focus on you mary ellen. Thanks for standing by and waiting. I appreciate it. I really want to find some answer to this, if possible. There were many signs in this mans past that he exhibited volatile behavior, that there was something unbalanced about him. But as far as we know, he never got help. Right. Thats a problem. But as i am listening to all of this information come out about him, there are other people clearly in the United States who are evolving down the same road that he did yesterday. And the one thing that Law Enforcement really needs to do in working with companies, in working with schools and universities is this. Our Mental Health system is broken. Got that. The gun control argument is at a stalemate. Got that. But when you do have someone that youre firing or expelling from school and they manifest these kinds of behaviors, you cannot just boot them out the door and hope your problem is gone. There really has to be some way to monitor them, which maeeans that you may have to pay an off duty officer or a private investigator for the next five years to go by and check on them. For five years . He was fired from that television station two years ago. I understand that. When you have someone as volatile as this, its very extreme. Most people you fire, theyre upset and they leave. When you have someone as volatile as this one, they have to be monitored. Until we can fix the Mental Health system, those are the recommendations we made in the fbi to employers, to schools, you have to monitor this person. And that just means going by and checking on them. Im just saying, so you were putting the onus on employers and to monitor someone for five years can be an expensive proposition. How is that even possible . Well, people do it, though. Its not a fulltime job. But clearly youre very sensitive to this. We dont have a Mental Health system where you can take somebody and put them away. And that will probably never happen anyway. So what weve found works the best is to just stay in touch with the person, see if theyre getting worse, if their hatred, if their attitudes are deteriorating and if theyre talking about buying guns and in fact they are buying guns, because from the information right now he was legal in purchasing that gun. So short of everything thaeelse thats not working, im just saying we would make that recommendation in the fbi, not all the time and not really frequently. But every now and then if somebody was that concerning to us, we would tell that company you have to do something to monitor them. Mary ellen otoole, thank for your insight. I appreciate it. Youre welcome. Just moments ago the morning team held a moment of silence for their fallen colleagues and we will too. It was yesterday around this time that we went live to Alison Parker and photo journalist adam ward. They were at Bridgewater Plaza near Smith Mountain lake to report on a happy event, the 50th anniversary of the lake, just a feature. The peacefulness of our community was shattered. As we approach that moment, we want to pause and reflect what made these two so special, not just to us, but to all of our hometowns that wdbj7 serves. Please join us now in a moment of silence. woman you want to eat. 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It is with heavy hearts and deep sadness we express our deepest con doll edolences to t families of Alison Parker and adam ward. We are also praying for the recovery of vicki gardener. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and with wdbj station family. In the meantime were learning new details about what motivated the killer, including the plan for yesterdays attack that seemingly began weeks ago. Reporter the day he was fired from wdbj tv february 1st, 2013, the shooter told his bosses im not leaving, youre going to have to call the efing police. Colleagues say he threw a tantrum. Police did indeed escort him out of the newsroom. Internal mem rows obtained by cnn show his brief one year employment was racked with aggressive behavior, poor journalistic performance. At one point the station referred him to mandatory counselling. After his firing form eer colleagues tell cnn they were concerned for days he would come back. Jeff marks is the stations general manager. It was i guess a little bothersome he was still in town and would be seen by our employe employees. Again, what do you do . He sued the station for discrimination, the suit dismissed last summer. Record show he worked at tv stations in greenville, north carolina, savannah georgia. And he was fire from a station in tallahassee, florida for what the news director described as odd behavior. A lawsuit filed alleging racial discrimination. The suit dismissed. Hours after the shooting he writes alison made racist comments meaning Alison Parker the reporter he killed but never worked with. Its unclear if he ever seeceve met. He writes eeoc report filed. At tweet, adam went to hr with me after working with me one time. He meant the stations Human Resources department. Adam was adam ward, the photographer killed. The station says no one saw this coming. He did make some accusations against people some time ago. You can never imagine that somebodys going to come back and act on those issues that were so old. About a week ago the shooter started posting pictures, an apparent life history, highlighted from his childhood, high school and beyond. And in the rambling 23page fax to abc news he said his plan was to kill after the charleston shootings earlier this summer. Later he writes, administration for the south Korean National mass killer responsible for the shootings at Virginia Tech and the Columbine High School killers. His final tweet, i filmed the shooting. See facebook. Drew griffin, cnn washington. With me now cornell west. Hes a professor, author and activist with black lives matter. Did race play a factor in this killers rampage . We dont know. The fundamental question is how do you get at this spiritual decay and this moral decadence in this society as a whole . All of us have to deal with rage. How do you filter that rage through love . And this is a larger question. We live in a society that resolved around money and image. So it pushes out wisdom and empathy. And we dont have a push button solution. Gun control legislation, crucial. But if our souls are still shot through with the callousness and indifference towards others the fact that he used the charleston Church Shootings as an excuse, those were the most forgiving people on the planet pi its a disservice to them. Its disrespectful. I think he was a gay brother, im told. Hes dealing with being margi l marginalized in his other community. Its not an excuse. The killing of any innocent person is wrong. We dont have a language to describe it. At the same time all of us are wrestling with this rage. And how do we express it in such a way didnt his rage come from an unbalanced place, though . He was a sick person, though, wasnt he . I dont think he was mentally ill. I think he snapped. I think he reached a point where he snapped. The problem is we live in a society where people dont give or get enough love. They dont give or get enough justice. They dont give or get enough community. When youre isolated and insulated that rage bubbles up. And lo and behold you get a bigger thomas. I have his work history right here. It sounds like he used these things as excuses for violent behavior. He could have. We just dont know. The important thing is this is not an isolated incident. This says something about us as a nation, as a people. How do we come to terms with contempt . We see it in regard to our dear brother trump, you see . What did you say about the precious mexican brothers and sisters . No matter how you try to nuance it, it shows a hostility and a contempt. How do we talk in such a way in which we show an empathy and a sensitivity . Where is the integrity . Lets talk about the gun issue. Chris cuomo talked to donald trump earlier and on the gun issue he said some things that some politicians say. This was a mentally ill person. Guns dont kill, people do. We know that. I mean, its true theres not a push button solution to this. Were in a spiritual crisis. Its a moral crisis. What kind of people are we . The only way you get out of it is through love exemplified and enacted. Justice is what love looks like in public. When you have a love deficit, you have a justice deficit. And the question becomes how do you make things accountable . Im very much in favor of tight gun control. Different culture. How do we hit it head on . Brother Martin Luther king, jr. Told us. The disposition solves the conflict by means of violence is something were going to have toe come to come to terms with. And hes trying to talk about integrity, honesty, dee sevcenc. Bernie sanders supported a ban on assault weapons. He was against brady bill. We can have integrity and have addition agreement on isn this regard. People can deal with their rage through family, community, be it church, mosque, synagogue that allows us not to have to kill one another. Ill be right back. Care of my heart. Thats why i take meta. Meta is clinically proven to help lower cholesterol. Try meta today. And for a tasty heart healthy snack, try a meta health bar. I wont belabor this because i dont need to. We want to show you the entire interview with andy parker, that would be Alison Parkers father who was struggle with the fact that his daughter whas killed o live television. Mr. Parker, thank you for joining us. I know this is an incredibly difficult time for your family i also know that its important for you to share who your daughter was in her life, not just in her death. How are you this morning . Well, i could be better. Yesterday i really didnt think i would be making the news round circuit. Had no intention of doing so. And then as i reflected during the day, i realized that alison was a journalist. She did what you guys did. And she would want me to do this. So thats why im here. Ive gone through the usual emotions of being numb and then, you know, uncontrolled grief and sobbing all day long. And then, you know, anger. But my souls been crushed. In one of your statements yesterday, you said something that i hope youre feeling as well as saying, which is the measure of solace that you get from knowing that while your daughter had such a young life at 24 years of age she made so so much of the time she had and touch sod many people. Is that helping . It is. The out pouring from the community and i think the nation at large obviously this is a big story nationally. You know that has been a comfort. She was. She was such a special person. She loved everybody that she was loved by everyone and you know it was and she touched a lot of lives. Obviously it shows in the tributes that have come her way. Ive got to tell you. Ive not watched any television. I didnt see any of the recounts. I didnt want to. After the fact im hearing just, you know, how much she has been loved. And i certainly it doesnt surprise me. Part of how you want your daughter to be remembered is that you want something to come out of the situation. You were very strong last night when you were talking about how we need to be better after a situation like this. What do you want now . Well, you know her life was cut short. She had she had so much potential. And its senseless that her life and adams life were taken by a crazy person with a gun. If i have to be the john walsh of gun control and look, im for the Second Amendment, but there has to be a way to force politicians that are cowards and in the pockets of the nra to come to grips and have sensible laws so that crazy people cant get guns. It cant be that hard. And yet politicians from the local level to the state level to the national level, they sidestep the issue. They kick the can down the road. This cant happen anymore. Alison was one of you guys. This has got to hit home for journalists. And journalists are targets. And were not talking about, you know, someone going to syria and being in the cross hairs of isil. Were talking about two young people that were doing a benign story about a marina opening or celebration and someone and a crazy person with a gun shoots them. Aknno i know the nra are going to say, oh gee, if they were carrying, this never would have happened. Ive got news for you. If alison and adam had been carrying an ak47 strapped around their waist, it wouldnt have made any difference. They couldnt have seen this coming. I dont want to hear that from the nra. I got a call from the governor yesterday and i told him exactly what my plan was. If i have to be a crusader on this, im not going to rest until i see something happen. He said, andy, you go for it. Im right there with you. Weve got to have our legislators and congressmen step up to the plate and stop being cowards about this. Andy, you know what youre going to hear. Obviously youre very emotional right now and its motivating you and you have to put emotion where you can in this situation. We just had donald trump on. Hes leading in the polls. He said these are tough issues and im for the Second Amendment and i dont think that you should take away more guns, that doesnt seem to be the answer and Mental Illness is tough and we should do more. Those things sound great and we hear them from politicians all the time and yet nothing changed. The two sides are very rooted. The law is what it is. And change is hard. What do you say to those issues . Of course. Im not saying lets take away guns. Im saying lets make it harder for people with mental issues. Like this guy that killed alison and adam, to make it difficult for them to purchase guns. Theres got to be a mechanism that gets put in place for that. I dont think thats unreasonable to do. How many newtowns are we going to have . How many sandy hooks . How many alisons is this going to happen to before we stop it . Im challenging you, the media, because again, this is one of your own. And i know how the business works. You know, its a great story for a couple of days and then it goes to the back burner and nothing happens. But i can prom you and i can promise the American People im not going to rest until i see something get done here. Youre being motivated obviously by the loss of your daughter. You know theres been a great o outpouring of support for her. And the eyes of the country are on this story. What do you want them to know about your daughter . That she was she was kind and she was sweet and she touched everybody. And that, you know, im standing here now. And you know, i got to see her in action and doing stories like this with the cameras set up. She loved us and we loved her. And i talked to her every single day. Every single day i talked to her. Right now she would be texting me right now saying, dad, what did you think of my story . You know, what did you think of it . And im never going to hear that again. She was so loved by all. My heart is broken. But, i want to try and do something that will change that and make her life will do something meaningful for her life so this doesnt happen to someone else again. She was a special young lady. And i think people across the country and certainly around here realize that. Often maybe the best thing that comes out of a situation like this, andy, is that people get a respect for the victims who were involved and what is lost when somebody decides to take out their anger the way that this madman did. And your daughter in her own way is becoming the best example of how precious life is. And you got to see it even in her boyfriend chris who you know so well, the love he had for your daughter and the love she had for him. That is one way your daughter will live on in the hearts of the people who loved her. It is. And you know we can at least take solace in the fact that she lived she was only 24. She just turned 24 last week. And she had she packed in a great life in 24 years. She did a lot of things. And she was most of all she was happy with what she was doing. She loved her family. She loved chris very much. And what we know from the Law Enforcement officials, she didnt suffer. And, you know, she led a happy life. I just wish i could up ttouch h soul right now. Im sorry. Andy, dont say youre sorry. I know this is difficult for you. I know it is. I know you feel you have to come out because you want people to remember her the right way and what you think is important in this. Please take care of yourself and your family. You know we will stay on this for the right reason. I appreciate it. Our hearts and pray yours go out to you and your family. Thank you. She would have wanted this. Thank you. Were watching wall street very closely after yesterdays huge surge. Will the market continue to make up for a six Straight Days of losses . Okay. Well, just minutes now to the trading day. Lets check the big board. You can see the dow is up more than a little over 200 points. Of course, as you know, the dow closed a whopping 619 points up yesterday. Thats the biggest oneday gain since 2008, but still not enough to make up for the 1,900point drop we saw in less than a week. Well keep you posted. On to politics. A new quinnipiac show shows donald trump continuing his dominance. 28 throwing their support to trump. Thats a double digit lead over his closest rival ben carson who has just 12 . Jeb bush, ted cruz, and marco rubio tying for third. Scott walker coming in at 6 t s while john kasich and Carly Fiorina are tied for sixth. When quinnipiac asked voters about the first word that pops in their heads when they think of the donald, the responses were not as favorable. Topping the list, arrogant followed by blow hard, idiot, businessman and clown. Theres also a few we had to blur out to make this image tvfriendly. You can just imagine what those descriptors might be. Here to talk about this, mindy fin, republican political consultant and ben ferguson, a political talk show host. I love were blurring out words on a candidate running for president. Its just unbelievable, right . Yeah. What do you make of those descriptors . Well, two things here. Donald trump, the narrative that its him against the world has obviously solidified his base. It also could hurt him in the long run, but i dont think hes worried about that. He is sucking up all the oxygen in the room. Hes continuing to gain over other candidates, and i think the biggest point about this poll is donald trump has been able to literally dismantle one of the best grass root campaigns weve seen with jeb bush, and jeb bush has been able to raise a lot of money. The establishment very much behind him, and yet hes tied and keeps dropping in these polls, and ben carson is also telling. Ben carson and trump may only have one thing in common, theyre both not politicians, they have not held office and there seems to be a big appetite for that in the gop. Okay. So, mindy, im curious about something. Mitt romney raised a lot of money, too, but he was just a bad candidate. Is it possible jeb bush is just a bad candidate . I think its too early to tell. Look, donald is beating the field by a wide margin so the story here is really donald. It started out as amusing and now it definitely has to be taken seriously. I agree with what Carly Fiorina said yesterday, donald is a wakeup call the entire country needs to take seriously. I think at this point though actually hes dangerous and anybody who is still kind of looking at it and thinking it will just ride it out and its kind of amusing, its time to take a closer look. Why do you say, mindy, hes dangerous, his candidacy is dangerous . Hes a bully. Carol, this morning i dropped off my 3yearold for first day of school and i thought about what are my hopes and dreams for him as he goes through his school life . What are the lessons i want to teach him . We all look to our kids and we want them to be a leaders. Its not be a bully, name call, think of bim as bimbos and dogs. You know, its not i actually kind of look at the donald a bit like an abusive boyfriend. Theres an allure, hes filling kind of a need and a void and people are attracted to him but ultimately hes a bully. Hes going to punch you in the eye. Okay. I dont think hes an abusive boyfriend. I think he is the nontraditional candidate, and eats nhes not go take crap from anybody and i think thats why people are liking him, because he is not going to focus group anything he says. He goes on stage and i dont think he exactly know what is hes going to say. Hes real, hes raw, hes in your face. Yes, some of the things he said are absolutely offensive to people, but i think his whole point is being pc has gotten us in the mess were in right now, so im not going to run the country the way that others have, and im going to make America Great and im going to fight hard against other countries when theyre fighting hard against us. Hes talked about that with russia and putin, with isil and people say, you know what . Id rather have a bully than somebody thats going to be politically correct all the time and get nowhere with it. There is a caveat to that because also this quinnipiac also shows, mindy, that trump top was quinnipiac calls the no way list. 26 saying they would not support him as a nominee. Thats just below the 28 who rank him as their first choice. So it seems to me is it possible people are just enjoying the show for now because, i mean, we have, what, more than 500 days still to the election . That does explain some of his support. A lot of it is what ben said, is that theyre attracted to his outsider image. You know, they see our current president as weak and kind of politicians in general as weak and too poll tested and politically correct, and donald is the opposite of that. Hes the answer to that. What i suggest though is that thats an overreaction. I think many people looked at the first debate and they looked at the fact he doesnt have clear positions on policy. I mean, he actually entered the race and many of his previous positions are not conservative, they are actually quite liberal. He was a friend of Hillary Clinton. And a good friend. A good friend. What i see now is really an overreaction and the fact he continues to rise in the polls is why wi say its time to get beyond seeing him as amusing and the trend is troubling. Thanks to both of you. I appreciate it. So what is the first word that pops into your head when you hear Hillary Clinton . 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This morning haunting words from the father of the woman murdered on live television. Andy parker vows that his daughter, alison, and her colleague adam ward, will not remain the victims of yet another senseless killing. Angry at times and choking back tears at others, he says their deaths must open a new National Dialogue on gun violence. Cnns chris cuomo is live in roanoke this morning. He spoke to him just a short time ago. Tell us more, chris. Reporter well, he says, carol, that he is forcing himself to deal with the media, and as you know its one of the tough calls for us is whether or not you take someone who is in pain and put them on television, but he is aware of his pain, all too aware, and hes also aware of the opportunity and he says he wants people to know who his daughter was and more importantly he does not want her death to go without meaning. Not just to his family but to the reasons why he thinks this happened. But listen to him in his own words. I could be better. Yesterday i really didnt think i would be making the news round circuit and just had no intention of doing so, and then as i reflected during the day, i realized that, you know, alison was a journalist. She does what you guys did did what you guys did, and she would want me to do this. So thats why im here, but ive gone through, you know, the usual emotions of being numb and then, you know, uncontrolled grief and sobbing all day long, and then, you know, anger, but my soul has been crushed. Reporter in one of your statements yesterday you said something i hope youre feeling as well as saying which is the measure of solace you get from knowing that while your daughter had such a young life at 24 years of age, she touched so many people and she made so much of the time she had. Is that helping . It is. The outpouring from the community and, you know, i think the nation at large, obviously this is a big story nationally, and, you know, that has been a comfort, but she was, she was such a special person. You know, she loved everybody that you know, she was loved by everyone and, you know, it was and she touched a lot of lives, and obviously it shows in the tributes that have come her way, and, you know, i got to tell you, ive not watched television. I didnt see any of the recounts, i didnt want to, but after the fact im hearing just, you know, how much how much she has been loved and, you know, i certainly it doesnt surprise me. Part of how you want your daughter to be remembered is that you want something to come out of this situation. You were very strong last night when you were talking about how you think we need to be better after a situation like this. What do you want now . Well, you know, her life was cut short. She had she had so much potential, and its senseless that her life and adams life were taken by a crazy person with a gun, and, you know, if i have to be the john walsh of gun control, you know, look, im for the Second Amendment, but there has to be a way to force politicians that are cowards and in the pockets of the nra to come to grips and make sense have sensible laws so that crazy people cant get guns. It cant be that hard. And yet politicians from the local level to the state level to the national level, they side step the issue, they kick the can down the road. This cant happen anymore because alison was one of you guys. This has got to hit home for journalists, and if journalists you know, if journalists are targets, and were not talking about, you know, someone going to syria and being in the crosshairs of isil, were talking about two kids that were two young people that were doing a benign story about a marina opening or celebration and someone and a crazy person with a gun shoots them. And i know the nra, their position is going to be i can hear it now. They are going to say, oh, well, gee, if they were carrying, this never would have happened. I have news for you. If alison and adam had been carrying an ak47 strapped around their waist it wouldnt have made any difference. They couldnt have seen this thing coming. So i dont want to hear that argument from the nra, and you know thats going to happen, and im going to take it on. I got a call from governor mcauliffe yesterday and i told him exactly what i plan was. If i have to be a crusader on this, im not going to rest until i see something happen, and he said, andy, he said, you go for it. Im right there with you. Weve got to have our legislators and our congressmen step up to the plate and stop being cowards about this. Reporter youre being motivated obviously by the loss of your daughter. You know theres been a great outpouring of support for her, and the eyes of the country are on this story. What do you want them to know about your daughter . That she was kind and she was sweet and she touched everybody and that, you know, im standing here now and, you know, i got to see her in action in doing stories like this with a camera set up. She loved us and we loved her, and i talked to her every single day. Every single day i talked to her, and right now she would be texting me right now saying, dad, what did you think of my story . You know, what did you think of it . And im never going to hear that again. She was so loved by all, and i know my heart is broken, but i want to try and do something that will change that and make her life will do something meaningful for her life so that this doesnt happen to someone else again. But she was a special young lady, and i think people across the country and certainly around here realize that. Reporter often maybe the best thick that comng that come situation like this, andy, are people get a respect for the victims and who is lost when somebody decides to take out their anger the way this madman did, and your daughter in her own way is becoming the best example of how precious life is, and you got to see it even in her boyfriend chris who you know so well, the love he had for your daughter and the love she had for him. That is one way that your daughter will live on in the hearts of the people who loved her. It is, and, you know, we can at least take solace in the fact that she lived she was only 24. She just turned 24 last week, and she had she packed in a great life in 24 years. She did a lot of things, and she was most of all, she was happy with what she was doing. She loved what she was doing. She loved her family. She loved chris very much, and at least we know and i know from the Law Enforcement officials, she didnt suffer. And, you know, she led a happy life, but i just wish i could touch her soul right now because im sorry. Reporter i told andy not to be sorry for sharing his pain. Hes trying to give a purpose to his pain. Hes trying to take this opportunity, as difficult as it is for him to let people know what was lost and in his opinion let them know why things were lost, and the job then becomes for us obviously, carol, in all of these cases, and there are so many, to create an urgency through an intimacy with those who are lost, in this case alison and adam and her boyfriend, chris hurst, is a talented young anchor here at d wdbj and he talked to us about the love of his life. Our love story i think is just like adam and melissas, and real quick adam was the best boyfriend and fiance i could ever imagine, way better than me. His spontaneity to show his love. Going the extra mile to prove his love to melissa was something i have never seen before and the way he proposed to her was elaborate and well executed and they were going to be a wonderful married couple. Reporter what did he do . He set it up so that she was exactly where they wanted to be, got down on one knee, and just always made melissa feel special and those were two people just like myself who maybe never thought they would get that kind of love, and we got it. And for me, you know, it was at the station Christmas Party last year. The way she looked. Chris, you have seen her on television. Beautiful, beautiful. Stunning. And the energy that came out of her also. That, too. Inside and out. So i saw her at the Christmas Party wearing this gold sequin dress and everyone always said she kind of looked a little bit like taylor swift and she had this beautiful red lipstick on, and i just stood in a corner. I said, chris, you got to do something or youre a fool. And something came over me, and i went up and made my move and asked her out a couple of days later and we had our first date on january 1st. And you say you felt tremendously lucky. You couldnt believe that she returned the affection. Yes, yes, yes. Im not one to im not one to really put myself out there for dating, and, you know, its a tough job that we have, and you dont get a lot of free time. People in the business tend to know each other and tend to get each other and we got each other, and but something came over me and i decided that i had to go for it, and we were both so lucky that that occurred because she told me and her parents told me last night that i was the love of her life and shes the love of my life. So where is the hope . Why do these keep happening . Carol, you said it makes you angry, and you know what . I have a better answer for you now. Of course youre angry. Youre angry because you know that there are solutions to this. These are not impossible problems. Are they intractable, are they difficult, do they deal with the frustrations and problems of politics . Yes, but none of those are reasons for no solution. Of course theres a better way to deal with guns in this society than we are. Any fool would know that. But what the preferences are for those solutions or will there of is where we get caught. Could we do better with the mentally ill . Of course we can. You ask any clinician or any politician who has taken time to study it, of course we can. Theres better monitoring, better treatment. Representative tim murphy has a bill right now going nowhere in congress. Of course the gun policy doesnt make sense right now. Of course it doesnt. And thats why youre angry because there is a necessary frustration when youre faced with situations that are so obvious that dont change over time. I have been in 20 different states covering this since columbine. I have been to far too many. The questions are always the same and the answers dont come and we know they dont come. Thats why youre angry. The other frustration is we live in a country with unbelievably smart people who can find solutions. Yet we all sit back and say, what can you do . There are evil people in the world. Well, of course there are, but to say theres nothing we can do about it, thaebs just the cowards way out. Thats not the american way. I just dont understand that. There are solutions. We just have to sit down and talk about them like reasonable people. Reporter well, the question is who are we . And i mean that in two different ways. One is who are our leaders and what are they really interested in and how does that really manifest . And also theres a second we, which is, and this will sound amorphous or pollyanna and people think its off point, but its the core of the point. How we treat each other. What you said america is. America has always been about sweet strength. Where is that in our Society Today . What is our culture about violence. How do we treat one another . It may seem nebulous and off the point. It isnt. All these cases come down to that. When people are angry, what do they do . It comes down to respect and how we care about each other. Thats right. I will just say i will just button it up here, chris. You know, when i was a girl, i lived in rural america. I had a gun. Im not against guns. But i dont understand why responsible gun owners dont want to do anything to get the bad gun owners, the irresponsible gun owners, out of the way. To make sure that guns dont land in the wrong hands. Because those irresponsible, violent gun owners give everybody a bad name, including responsible gun owners, and they should be leading the fight, and i dont understand why theyre not. Reporter you understand why theyre not. You understand the politics that are involved. The question is what will make the difference . Because youll hear them come out and say the right things right now, but what happens tomorrow, what happens next week, what happens a month from now when you have parents like andy all over this country wanting something to be different for everybody elses kids than what happened to their own. Chris cuomo, many thanks. I appreciate it. The wdbj news team has shown so much grace in covering this difficult story. Their morning team held a moment of silence for their fallen colleagues, and we will, too. It was yesterday around this time that we went live to Alison Parker and photojournalist adam ward. They were out in the field. The story was like so many others they did all the time, reporting on our hometowns. They were at bridge water plaza near Smith Mountain lake to report on a happy event, the 50th anniversary of the lake, just a future. It was during a conversation with Vicky Gardner about another reason why we love living here when the peacefulness of our community was shattered. As we approach that moment we want to pause and reflect and we want to share with you once again what made these two so special not just to us but to all of our how mametowns that w serves. Please join us now in a moment of silence. Looks like we have some sort of sea monster in the water hazard here. 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I think its notable he goes into a rambling detail about his life talking about his past employment as a teen model he says and a male escort and then a Television News reporter. He talks about being a black man and a gay man and feeling discriminated against and harassed. I think one of the most important quotes comes talking about race. He says hes somewhat racist against blacks, whites and latinos. He refers to the Charleston Church shooting as one of the final elements that triggered him to buy a gun and prepare for this attack. He said if you wanted a race war, you got a race war. There were racial overtones to this and some people have started to call it a hate crime. He also talks about being inspired by past killers, including the killers in columbine many years ago and Virginia Tech in 2007. He actually refers to them by name and says they inspired him to commit his act of crime. Just unbelievable. Brian stelter, thanks. I appreciate it. The killers admiration for other mass murderers has reignited the debate over guns in america. Not that it matters because you know talk is just talk. But there is a small sign that something more than talk is happening at walmart. The retailer announced it will stop selling militarystyle semiautomatic weapons, including ar15s. Walmart made that announcement on the same day two journalists were gunned down. Gun control advocates have been fighting for this, but listen to what walmarts ceo told us recently. Our focus as it relates to firearms should be hunters and people who shoot Sporting Clays and things like that, so the types of rifles we sell, the types of ammunition we sell should be curated for those things and we believe in serving those customers. We have for a long time a we believe we should continue to. To be clear, gun sales have been strong this summer. The fbi conducted 1. 6 million background checks in july alone. That includes all types of guns. And, no, the killer in virginia did not use an ar15, but he is another example of a troubled, volatile person able to easily purchase a gun. As the New York Times points out, more americans have died from guns in the United States since 1968 than on battlefields of all the wars in american history. Yeah, try to wrap your head around that one. With me to talk about all of this, david cullen the author of the book columbine and colin godda goddard, a survivor of Virginia Tech. Colin, you still have three bullets in your body. When you hear this virginia killer admire the man who shot you, what goes through your mind . Its incredibly disturbing and, frankly, none of us should be thinking about admiring these people or giving really them any notoriety they dont deserve. So my mind on that is pretty short. What i then focus on is how do we stop the next series of shootings thats going to happen in this country because weve done nothing since the last one. Thats where i spend most of my focus. I want to talk about that, but i want to pause for a moment because this killer in virginia also expressed admiration for the columbine killings, and dave, thats your area of expertise. Columbine continues to inspire mass murderers. Why is that . Well, its sort of the template. It kind of kicked off this whole series of these copycats. It wasnt the first one, but it was the one that brought it to a new level and really kind of showed these people the level of notoriety they could get, what it could do for them in terms of fame, infamy, and really how much the media would make a tv movie out of them, would be, you know, all coverage all the time for about a week as were doing now and make them the center of attention. Im really glad that in this case more so than other cases we have seen more of an emphasis on the victims this time. You know, in some ways it helps for us as media people, but theres just two of them. When you have 10 or 15 people, you can only do like little vignettes of 30 seconds or something. When theres two, we can really focus on them. We need to figure out a better way of doing that because we always say we want to focus on the victims do. Reporter lets focus on that for a second, the notoriety that these mentally ill people derive from doing these vial, evil acts. Copp colin, the New York Times features frame by frame shots. The killer wore a go pro to tape what he was doing. Did the new york tabloids go too far . I think they did. I wanted to hear it from you. I mean, in a basic way i think when you watch the live feed that happened yesterday morning, it shows you a small glimpse of what a shooting is really like. You heard the gun shots. You heard the screams. You could see the blood. You felt how horrible it is and thats just a small part of how truly terrifying these examples are. So when the conversation around guns or gun deaths and look at the bigger statistics can get lost in numbers and talking points, those moments bring back the reality of this is the situation that were trying to avoid. This is what were actually trying to prevent from happening to other people, and so its incredibly difficult to watch, particularly people who have experienced it themselves, and i think to a certain extent people should see that, but at the same time we should not be giving it repeated, repeated air time that we are to then give the notoriety to these people. And i hear what youre saying and cnn has chosen not to air any of those images anymore and we did so sparingly even yesterday. Colin, i want to like i want to talk about something you just said because the mayor of roanoke, i interviewed him earlier this morning, and he, too, said these images might bring home the carnage and make people really understand that we need to deal with this problem. Is that sort of what youre saying as well . Yes. You know, 88 other americans dealt with what alison and adam and vicky dealt with yesterday on an average american day. 88 of us will deal with that same kind of scenario again today. That is the reality that we are dealing with in this country in 2015. And the disconnect is the American Public wants something to be done but we have elected officials who give talking points and then nothing, and we let that be the case repeatedly and we have the same conversation over and over again. So instead of having frankly, pointing the cameras at us to talk about this, you should be pointing the cameras at the elected officials who sit on the committees who refuse to hear bills on this subject, who refuse to even have a discussion or a hearing on gun violence in america. Those are the people who should be held accountable at this point in time. Colin, did you hear Alison Parkers father and what he said to chris cuomo . Incredibly moving what he said. I couldnt really know why. But what hes trying to this si come to be. How is it such that dangerous people continually get their hands o guns easily in this country and so hes on point when he says a background check is something we should require on all sales. We only do that for some sales right now. Its not done for all sales. That ought to be done and the fact that the father at this point in time was willing to say that and champion that is incredible and something that americans should rally behind. Well, i want to ask you a bit more about that because, you know, after your own tragedy, you vowed to fight for stricter gun control laws, and nothing much has happened. What has that been like for you . Nothing much has happened here in congress which is just frankly unacceptable and needs to change. However, there is progress happening on the state level. The state of washington passed background checks on all sales by a vote of the people last fall. Even just this year oregon became the 18th state to do background checks on all sales. So there is movement happening. We certainly need a hearing in the house of representatives here in congress. Like i said, the fact theres nothing there repeatedly is unacceptable. And so thats where we are going to focus all of our attention to keep building on the local level and forcing our elected officials to do something here in d. C. I can see the anger behind your eyes, colin. Weve been in this situation before, carol, and when you continually get media requests asking what are your thoughts, how do you feel about what happened, what can be done and you repeat the same things over and over again it can get infuriating when you realize that unless the conversation pivots to those people who are sitting in those chairs in those committees, were going to have this same conversation again until that happens. So lets go do that. All right, colin, thank you so much. And dave, i dont mean to neglect you. So just going back to your point about, you know, how not to inspire these mentally unbalanced people to commit acts of horrible violence. I dont know if theres any one answer because i do believe people have the right to know, you know, who shot someone else. I believe they have the right to know everything. Well, yeah. I think there are some answers. So where is the line . Well, i think its a matter of scaling back in how we do it. People definitely have a right to know, but in this day and age, i mean, you can google his name. Its going to be out there. You can get his image. That doesnt mean that we need to say it over and over again and show his image repeatedly, especially when we sort of visual wallpaper where its background. A couple years ago i was talking about this, how the media should stop using the image as the intro to the segment about whether we should do lots of it. It was over and over the perpetrator for no purpose really. I dont think it needs to be wall to wall 24 hours. You know, im not in the tv business, but perhaps an hourlong show could devote 20 minutes or something to it. Does it really need to be all day for an entire week afterwards . Anything that sort of like lets the killers know were not making you this starring role, were not making you playing right into your hands. This guy did it on live television, and then filmed it himself just in case the live tv didnt get it and to put it on television. What more do we need to have tell us that these people are trying to get on television . That theyre reaching for this infamy and were playing into their hands . I hear you. I havent mentioned his name once in my two hours on television so thanks for being here. I appreciate it, dave. And thanks to you, too, colin. Thanks, colin. I appreciate it. Still to come in the newsroom, likely voters were given one word to describe Hillary Clinton and most of the answers, well, not too flattering. 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For Hillary Clinton the days of joking about or dismissing criticism of her use of personal email while she was secretary of state may be over. Clinton taking a more serious tone on the issue during a Campaign Stop in iowa. My use of personal email was allowed by the state department. It clearly wasnt the best choice. I should have used two emails, one personal, one for work, and i take responsibility for that decision. So lets talk about this. Cnn political analyst and editor in chief of the daily beast john avlon is here. Hi, john. Hey, carol. So why the change in tone . Well, i think she needed to change her tone. And this was a decidedly different approach. This wasnt joking about wiping servers off with a cloth. This was her saying i understand why people are upset. I get it. I made the wrong decision, and i take sponresponsibility for it. And thats an important step. A new tack in addressing this not only from a communication standpoint but also asserting what she did when she did it was permitted under the rules and trying to be as transparent as possible Going Forward about serving over information and giving any testimony thats necessary, but clearly the previous tack has not been working. The problems have been compounding so this is overdo u but probably welcome. Voters like a little humility. Why didnt she do this sooner, it was just weird. Yep. Yep. It was weird. Nothing more said on that. Lets take a look at this new quinnipiac poll because it shows mrs. Clinton still maintains a double digit lead with voters, but shes lost 10 Percentage Points in the last month. So will this trend continue or will her new tone make a difference . Well, clearly its the hope of the campaign it will make a difference. I think whats significant about this poll, its the first poll showing a biden hypothetical candidacy could do better against some republicans. Thats got to make Hillary Clintons camp nervous in part because its sort of a red flag to a bull about getting biden in the race. A bit of a reality check here. She still is doing twice in this poll as well as joe biden or bernie sanders. Thats significant, but the downward trend is troubling and those five words you mentioned, that association at the top. Those numbers are really troubling when you have five words and three of them is negative and synonyms for liars. The quinnipiac poll asked voters about the first word that comes to mind when they thought of Hillary Clinton. That word was liar followed by dishonest followed by trustworthy, experience, and strong. So thats kind of a weird mixed bag, right . Its a weird mixed pag but the first three are basically synonyms for having a truth telling problem. Thats no good for the Hillary Clinton camp. 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Theyre tabloids, they deal in the sensational and theyre very sensational this morning. Well, im certainly an advocate of free speech and freedom of the press so they have the right to do that. However, there is such a thing as taste and there is a reason why even though were in the digital age lets look at print journalist. Theres a reason why they call it the front page. I personally think its in bad taste to put something that might be disturbing to people on the front page where people could see it against their will if theyre walking on the street. Its on the newsstands. Its out there. Its in public. I think that if i were the publisher of those tabloids, i certainly would have run pictures, but i would have run them in a more discreet place so as not to inflict them on people who might not want to see them. And thats the way i would do it. You know, i spoke with the roanoke mayor earlier this morning and he hadnt seen the pictures but i described them to him, and he had an interesting take. Lets listen. They remind me of Matthew Brady, the civil war photographer who took pictures of the battle scenes during the civil war. They were appalling at the time. People were they were provocative at the time, but they helped the American People begin to understand the horrors of war. I mean, at some point when are we going to understand the horrors of gun violence in our country . Okay. So basically what he was saying, michael, is people actually need to see images like these to like bring home the horror, the true horror of gun violence. Well, his position was a partisan and a biased position of his own feeling as to what people need to do for the benefit of any social progress. So i dont necessarily buy into that. I believe in free press. I believe in free speech. The First Amendment is very important. And i personally do believe that publishers and editors should not take it on themselves to determine what people need or what people should be protected from seeing. So when i said dont put it on the front page so as to protect the sensibilities of other people that might not want to see that, i think that thats a smart thing to do. But i think its equally warped to say its my job to shove this into the consciousness of the people that they have to understand the horrors of war by putting it in their face. So i think theres a middle ground, carol, and i think that most reasonable journalists were talking about journalism here, were not talking about entertainment or sensationalism or titillation for the sake of selling newspapers or getting, you know, media ratings. Were talking about the pure principles of journalism we we dont hear that much about anymore. I think that its important to not edit stuff that people as adults need to know but on the other hand we walk such a fuzzy line with sensationalism and attention getting devices. I think that that should also be taken into consideration when making presentations to the public. I hear you. Michael harrison, thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate it. Still to come in the newsroom, gop frontrunner donald trump is gearing up to take his next stage. Protesters have vowed to be there. Well talk about that next. I brought in some protein to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized im new ensure active high protein. I help you recharge with Nutritious Energy and strength to keep you active. Come on pear, its only a half gallon. Ill take that. Yeeeeeah new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. All in 160 calories. Ensure. Take life in. Rheumatoid arthritis like me. And youre talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic, is is humira. 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Im here in grenville, South Carolina, right now where were waiting for donald trump to come here and speak. Outside are dozens and dozens of people already lining up to hear him spoke. He spoke with chris cuomo on new day earlier today and asked about his lead in the polls. Listen to what he said. I see the response that i get, chris, and, you know, im honored by the polls but im not that surprised to see it. I also see my competition. I see people like jeb bush who is a nice man, but hes not bringing you to the promised land. I see others and i respect everybody thats running. It takes courage to run. It really does take a lot of courage, even if youre a politician it takes kocourage t run but i will say we will get them there. Reporter as you can see, carol, never missing an opportunity to take a jab at jeb bush. This open war between trump and bush will be a fascinating story line to follow in the coming weeks. Absolutely. M. J. Lee, thanks so much. Whatve we got . 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Thank you so much for being here with us. Thank you, kim, and i bring with me the best prayers and best wishes of all the folks of southwest missouri and northwest arkansas to wdbj 7 and all of roanoke area. Our hearts are broken with yours and certainly were here to do everything we can to help you get through this. Yeah, we appreciate it. We need everyones help and love and support right now. Yeah, we do. Awesome. Thank you so much for joining me today. Im carol costello. At this hour with berman and bolduan starts right now. Hello, everyone. Im kate bbolduan. Im john gberman. Today the entire country in mourning over the murder of two young journalists shot and killed while on the air. Wdbjs morning show paused for a moment of silence for their colleagues the very minute that Alison Parker and adam wards lives were taken yesterday. As we approach that moment, we want to pause and reflect and we want to share with you once again what made these two so special not just to us but all of our hometowns that wdbj 7 serves. Please join us now in a moment of silence