Beyond a reasonable doubt is that we have a standard in this country where we will let nine people who are guilty go free so that we do not convict one innocent. Thats what the definition of beyond a reasonable doubt is. And jeffrey, you accept the jury virkts in other cases. Why is this case different . Why are people having such a difficult time with o. J. Simpson when the jury has an opportunity to review the evidence, you had skilled prosecutors presenting the case, they made a decision. How come people cant accept that decision where we accept jury decisions in thousands of cases every day in this country. Heres something no, i accept the jurys verdict. I recognize that was the jurys verdict. But i dont have to agree with it. I disagree with jury verdicts all the time. That doesnt mean that the jury verdicts are wrong. Thats just my opinion about them. Certainly it is that was the verdict in the case. I dont certainly i certainly accept it in that sense but do i agree with it . Absolutely not and i think every citizen who follows this case, you know, has a right to an opinion. But and my opinion was that the jury got it wrong but i certainly accept the jurys verdict. Its official and it counts and its over. But doesnt mean its right. Its not over. So what about a discussion of, you know, moving forward. I mean, the man is, you know, granted parole. He will walk out of this lovelock correctional facility at some point as early as october. What will jeffrey toobin, what will his life be like . Its my understanding hell continue to enjoy a healthy nfl money and Screen Actors Guild from his life on the big screen. Well, i think his life will be a lot like what it was like from 1995 to 2007 which was basically a pariah from his old life as an actor, as a sports caster, as a pitchman, but you know, the last i heard, his pension was Something Like 300,000 a year, which is plenty comfortable to live on. Hell live in florida, which has bankruptcy laws that will allow him to protect virtually all of his money from the goldmans and the browns from their civil judgment. Thats a principal reason, as i understand it, why he moved from california to florida. And you know, his life will be very much more seedy and less glamorous than it used to be and he will be surrounded by these leeches, these memorabilia dealers, these creeps he was involved with that got that, you know, were in that Las Vegas Hotel. Thats going to be his life. Selling memorabilia, selling his signature, doing interviews for money. Its a far cry from the old, you know, life in brentwood, but its a hell of a lot better than being in lovelock prison. Well, brooke, i hope his life is more reflective of what we heard from his daughter. She talked about the support from his family, she talked about the support from his friends. Ive read a report that he plans to live with his younger daughter whos graduated from boston university, and i hope he has learned his lessons about being around those people that jeffrey just referenced and that he does take to heart the, you know, the desire to spend time with family and friends who really care about him and not allow those lecherous people to be a part of his life. To prey. This is a second chance. I hope he takes advantage of it to live a peaceful life under the radar would be the best advice i think anyone could give him. Thank you. Danny, i havent heard from you yet. Watching all this and thinking of his future, who say you. Where do i begin. How do i bat cleanup in this situation . I have so many things to talk about. First of all, i dont think this was as much of a slam dunk as mark and jeffrey suggested. I think under nevadas guidelines, yes, his risk factors were low, but this was the highest level of severity of a crime, and because of that, thats why they had to look at all these sort of surrounding factors. Now, once you do that and you evaluate o. J. s performance, which theyre allowed to do, in talking about what he did, how would any of us grade that . Is anyone here on this panel going to give him above a c in how he represented himself today, a c plus maybe. Why did he keep talking. Every time he spoke about not going to aa, you were like stop talking. And its so frustrating, paul, mark, when we talk to clients, you tell them how to behave yourself in front of a judge or a parole board and they nod their head and then they go and say, im going to do it my way and thats exactly what o. J. Did. He figured he could explain himself and you see this a lot. This was not the time to testify on the liability phase of the trial that happened nine years ago. This was the time for contrition, for remorse, and i dont think he did a particularly good job of showing it. You know, one of the classic, classic things you tell your client not to say, dont say youre remorseful because you dont get to see your daughter graduate or you dont get to go to a wedding. Thats not remorse. Thats selfinterest. Except for one thing, danny. It worked. It did but my point is, paul, i think this was a much closer call. It was never a slam dunk. I think it did stand in doubt, and even the game system that the nevada parole board has needs four people unanimous. If any of them disagree, it went to the full board and then he could have lost. But whether you thought when i watched the whole thing and i remember exactly where i was when i was watching this whole trial play out that you were covering. You were a child. I was in high school but i remember very clearly, and whether you thought the glove fit or not, watching him today and watching, i forget, one of you referenced some of the softballs from the commissioners, you know, did you get the sense that any of them were almost star struck by him and does that affect we know that one was a kansas chiefs fan. I still have to as he pointed out. The guy the parole board member who was wearing the black shirt had a Kansas City Chiefs tie on. Now, it is true that o. J. Was a star for the Buffalo Bills. Youre not a chiefs fan. You keep bringing this up. It would have been even more significant had it been a Buffalo Bills tie or he played at the end of his career or usc where he was a star or at San Francisco 49ers where he ended his career, but it was weird to have like, you know, out of all the ties he could have worn, to wear an nfl tie. Moving past the tie. Im a little obsessed with the tie. What was the question . Were they star struck. Oh the fact that this is o. J. Simpson that they are questioning. Yeah, i mean, i think they seemed nervous. Was that a factor in the decision making. They all seemed to be reading their questions and none of them responded to what he actually said. Listening. He was, you know, listening. I mean, the thing i keep fixating on that he said that his claim that he had led a conflictfree life, you know, you dont have to be extremely attentive to this case or to this story to realize that is not a very accurate characterization of, you know, his life. I mean, you know, most people in life do not have convictions for domestic violence. Most people dont have an exwife with multiple 911 calls saying its ohi. J. Simpson, youe been here before, hes going crazy again. Those are not obscure facts, especially since they were alleged allegedly supposedly steeped in this trial. Is his lawyer walking over to the microphone. He is. Hello, how are you. Heres my intention. My intention is to come out and answer maybe a couple of questions for a few minutes and then im going to go back and spend time with psimpsons famiy and mr. Simpson and then ill come back out again so this is going to be very brief. If youre going to Say Something, you probably should identify your full name, your News Organization and the Parent Company of the News Organization before you ask, okay . Is that fine . Is that a fair deal . All right. How can i help you. How important do you think bruce fromongs testimony was in the ultimate decision . I think it was pretty it certainly didnt hurt and i think it was actually very influential that he came in and he did what he said he was going to do to me what i talked to him on the phone over the course of a couple of weeks, which he was going to testify favorably for simpson. So, i think it was very, very good, and obviously if he had testified negatively, it kind of was going to be contradicted by what he had been telling me. Thats kind of why i felt it was important to bring up that conversation with him to say what hes been telling me all along. But right now, mr. Fromong is there with mr. Simpsons family. Theyre all talking right now. He actually would mr. Simpson actuallimented actuallime actually wanted to see mr. Fromong. Its not being permitted at this time for various respected reasons for the Nevada Department of corrections and so but theyre friends. They were friends. This was a big mishap. So i think it was actually very, very positive. What, in there . I dont think he said anything to me. You know, i mean, the mikes were right there. You would have caught it but i dont think he said anything. He was just very happy. He was very emotional if you were looking at the cameras. He was very emotional. So next question. Is he worried about how hes going to be received by the public . Not at all. No. Hes been in the media spotlight since he was 19. If he didnt explain it if he didnt explain it on camera, he certainly splexplained it, you know, in private so hes also used to dealing with media attention. Thats never been a problem for him at all. Listen, do you know that Jeffery Felix is a complete fraud and everything that you said i was watching you earlier this morning when you were giving your testimony cant you tell that that guy is the biggest fraud on the planet . Did we lose it . Okay. So we lost it. Again, he said this is the attorney of o. J. Simpson, he was going to be brief but hell walk back out to the cameras. Lets take a pivot from the panel, go to paul outside of lovelock, nevada, outside this Correctional Center where o. J. Simpson has been for eight and a half or so years now. And heres my question. Tell me about his life so far. We talk a lot about how hes been this model prisoner and its my understanding he sort of counseled, you know, multitude of prisoners forgive me. Were going back to the lawyer. You have gone on and perpetrated a fraud for this jeff felix whos supposedly gar guarding the juice guy, you embarrass the make a mockery of the Corrections Officers over here who are actually doing a really good job and mr. Simpson has very positive things to say about the department of corrections. The wardens have treated him great. They actually treated him terrific. This jeff felix is i mean, you see that mullet and how his hairs dyed, right . You dont buy credibility from people who look like that and you should have at least tried to vet the story. For the last year, you could have vetted the story. Im a little bit agitated when i see you maybe im taking it personally because you were the one on the news repeating everything that jeff felix said, every bit of which is false, every bit of which is unverifiable and untrue but you were doing it this morning. So jeff felix is a fraud. I dont want to take any questions about jeff felix. I dont know what he ill tell you exactly what jeff felix is. He was here. He worked in the canteen, and mr. Simpson, like every other inmate, when they go to canteen once a week would see this guy and he was like a minstrel. He would sit there and tell jokes, he wanted to impress mr. Simpson and thats the end of it. He couldnt identify mr. Simpsons cell, okay . Maybe he knows the unit because someone told him but he couldnt identify the cell and ive already got it in this has agitated me so much that i have it in progress to strip this guy of his pension benefits. What goes on in this prison here between the Nevada Department of corrections and its personnel is confidential and i violate that had by publishing that silly, ridiculous book that he did, so im starting the process right now of getting his pension stripped and if it isnt clear with the Nevada Department of corrections or whoever has the benefits now, the rules definitely need to be changed or clarify that had when a corrections officer like mr. Felix discloses confidential information of course its false, but even when he does so, based on someones celebrity, you just get your pension benefits stripped. So lets see how he likes that when he sees the consequences of his actions right now. Im just going to yank all his pension benefits. Next question. Did you expect o. J. Simpson to take such a defiant stance, especially in his early testimony, essentially relitigating the whole case. What do you mean . How was he defiant . He continued to insist that it wasnt his responsibility, that he had been bamboozled into the crime. I disagree with your characterization of that. It was an explanation for what was going on. You know, i mean, i dont think he hes taken plenty of responsibility. Any time Something Like this happens, you obviously wish you could do better. The biggest thing here, what made this case more so than what it was were the guns. Okay . And so that took this case from being kind of a, you know, somewhat of a laughing stock of a case to serious when guns are involved. It was his right, essentially to, go back there and get his stuff back. One would think that would be i dont think he said it was his right. I think he said he wanted it and the stuff was his. He didnt feel entitled he felt entitled to the property. He now knows that obviously you cant go, even under nevada law and most laws of the united states, you cant go and take property even though its 100 even though its 100 not in dispute that the property belongs to you. You cant go back and take it by force. If for some reason you stole this from me right now and i come and i see that you have it, i cant go and beat you up and hit you with anything to take it back for myself. I cant do it. And so thats it. So thats it. Im not sure where you said he cant take responsibility. Hes taken responsibility. He was just offering an explanation. Next question. All right, well, thank you very much. The answer is no. The parole and probation, the Nevada Department of parole and probation, which is known as p and p, thats a question you can refer to them but the date they stated is the date they stated. Did anything inside there surprise you . Im trying to think. No. I mean, theres there was a lot of preparation. You know, normally, these hearings, i think, to actually do a perfect hearing, a parole revocation hearing like this, you probably could have prepared a lawyer probably could have prepared for less than an hour. You see my file here, how much i have. I dont have books of reams of things. The whole file is in here. And this one obviously was dealing with the onslaught of the media requests, dealing with various things, and dealing with the Nevada Department of corrections through their liaisons and dealing with the department of parole and probation through their liaisons. My intention right now is to go spend more time with mr. Simpson and his family. I dont think there was anything that was surprising because we controlled were able to control a lot of things so well, so much, and especially the hearing, the biggest part of the hearing obviously for me was making sure that certain information was kept obviously theres a 10,000pound elephant in that room and i think we were successful in making sure that that elephant was sleeping and that it was washed and very clean and that it and that it never started, you know, rearing its head or knocking things around. So that was, for me, thats 100 success when that was excluded and kept out. Thank you. In the letter that you read web cast, webisodes. That was just a letter he had communicated to assemblyman fumo and that was just in the letter. That was the content of the letter. I just read it. But you but his words were maybe hell do that was a letter from him to assemblyman fumo and hes just saying a letter because he had just taken a computer course and obviously one of the things he learned in computer courses is if youre doing any modern day computer stuff, web pages, blogging, all that stuff so he said that. Its not something i would ever advise. Whats your name and your organization . No, no, i wasnt referring to that at all. Come on. You know exactly what i was referring to. Come on. Did you ever doubt that he would get paroled . Well, the answer is yes, yes and no. Yes, because mr. Simpson is obviously a very polarizing figure. Hes very, very well loved. Hes but also hes held into contempt by a lot of people and he also wanted to thank the media for, you know not thank the media, excuse me, thank his fans who have communicated through the media you wont publish the positive things that are said about him but fans have sent in mail saying theyve sent information to the media and ive never seen any of it published, maybe one article or Something Like that. He wants to thank them. He wants to thank the ndoc, thank the p and p, all these organizations, so hes just so polarizing, going back to your question. Hes just so polarizing that its it was hard to really know the certainty of this. Ill tell you one thing that made me very optimistic, and ill be very frank with you here. The one that i think that made me very optimistic is that the and this is something i dont think was published is that the parole commissioners here that you saw, the four individuals and then theres two others that are still active, its a commission thats seven total, those commissioners are actually appointed. Theyre not elected officials, okay . So theyre actually appointed by the governor and more importantly, and this is whats important, this is why i started feeling very, very good about this, they can only be removed for impeachment. Almost like a federal judge. Their terms expire, but they can only be removed for impeachment, so they can make decisions regardless of the outcry and the heat on them, okay . Thats unlike the process that mr. Simpson has been exposed to for the last nine years where hes dealing with an elected judges, elected judges, elected judges, and listen, who wants to be the judge who has to run for office that says, i did something favorable to let o. J. Simpson go. I mean, we put on when i say we, attorneys tom pataro and ozzie fumo and trish palm, all phenomenal lawyers, they actually helped prepare for this hearing today. They put on one of the strongest habeas cases youll ever find, okay, after t