Polls. Check this out with me. Trump is down five points to clinton in a fourway race. Donald trump takes more hits on what has been a very, very bad week for him. The controversies continue to pileup over his taxes, his foundation, the clintons their marriage, the fidelity issues hes questioning and also a beauty queen. Folks, we are five weeks away to this president ial election and we are expecting kaine to seize on trumps recent follies, echoing Hillary Clintons take on Donald Trumps refusal to release his taxes. Heres my question, what kind of genius uses a billion dollars in a single year . On the other side, pence will have some trump cleanup and no doubt amplify trumps attacks on clintons political scandals. You can bet he will also argue as an insider kaine wont change washington, a message donald trump is putting right back at the forefront. While my opponent focuses on small petty things, we are discussing the vital issues facing our country and our people. She will do everything she can to distract from the issues and her enormous corruption and criminal conduct. A campaign of distraction funded by wall street investors. Lets begin with Sunlen Serfaty just outside the debate hall. Sunlen, beginning with how are each of the candidates preparing ahead of the big debate . Brooke, i think when both candidates take the stage it will be very clear that they are very well prepared. By all accounts both candidates have approached their debate prep in a very serious, consistent and disciplined way. Theyve both been running through question and answers with aides for months and the last few weeks, certainly at a higher intensity. And both have had these fullfledged mock debate sod theyre getting a sense of how tonights may go. On the spot tonight will be mike pence after Donald Trumps no good very bad week. Certainly he will be facing a lot of questions and will be on the defense about his own running mate, now, pence has signalled the direction that he would like the debate to go in tonight. He has said he is readying an attack obtains record but while the center of the political universe feels like its here in longwood, there is a lot of action away from farmville in Longwood University thats going on today. You have nearly the full contingent of highprofile clinton surrogates on the campaign trail. Were talking bill clinton, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren. And Hillary Clinton out there this morning campaigning hers f herself. She held a town hall in pennsylvania where there was a very poignant moment with a 15yearold voter. Heres that exchange. At my school, body image is a really big issue for girls my age. I see with my own eyes donald trump does when he talks about women and how they look. As the first female president , how would you undo that damage and help girls understand they are so much more than what they look like . Youre right. My opponent has just taken this concern to a new level. Think about it my opponent insulted Miss Universe. [ laughter ] how do you get more acclaimed than that . But it wasnt good enough. So we cant take this seriously anymore. We need to laugh at it, we need to refute it, we need to ignore it and stand up to it and especially the bullying. There are too many young women online who are being bullied about how they look and being shamed and mistreated. That moment, that questionandanswer falls right in line with the line of attack that the Clinton Campaign has been pushing against donald trump. I bet no time at all this will be spliced up and appear in a political ad by team clinton. Sunlen, thank you so much. I want to bring board off of that last comment. I have Scottie Nell Hughes with me, she supports donald trump. Commentator sally kohn who backs Hillary Clinton and jackie kucinich, Washington Bureau chief for the daily beast and my friend and senior Political Correspondent brianna keilar. The ladies panel. Love it. Scottie, let me begin with you. Coming off of the question from the 15yearold on body issues. This isnt going away. I realize it was Hillary Clinton being asked about it but everything that happened with the Miss Universe, womans body issues and a grown man discussing at 3 00 a. M. On twitter, how does he handle this . With a classy approach and not only ignore it but move on. This shows Hillary Clinton doesnt want to talk about policy. The fact she just released this ad not talking about her policies on how shes going to help these women rather going negative against the words mr. Trump has said in the past and taking them out of context. I dont think this means she doesnt want to talk about policy. Shes being asked about a body image question. But then she releases this ad. We have yet to hear how shes going to help the 12 of women that only 12 feel comfortable theyve saved enough for retirement. Obamacare that is failing right now and the majority of excha e exchanges. Sally, has she addressed. It she would rather talk about body image. Scottie, i love you but even though you support mr. Trump you cant do his thing where you repeat something enough it becomes true. Its not true. You must be confused because donald trump is the one who has no policy solutions when pressed for details. He lacks them over and over. Hillary clinton has policy details. Shes spelled them out in speeches. She just gave a speech on economics. She put them out in a book. Theyre all over her web site. She actually has plans. You may not like the plans but say that. But to say she doesnt have them, number one, and, number two, donald trump which boggles the mind has kept this issue at the forefront for the last week, Hillary Clinton hes the one who attacked Miss Universe in the first place, belittled her, went in on her with her exercise session during the press, fat shamed her and he started the tweets, went on fox news and said she was the worst ever. I dont see Hillary Clinton fact check. Hillary clinton turned last weeks debate into a middle school drama by bringing up yes, youre right, Hillary Clinton did it all by herself. He has the right to defend himself. And by the way, just saying youre going to raise taxes on the wealthy is not the way to have a plan or solution. Okay from plans to polls i look and you and i think polls. I wonder why. Lets talk about the polls that we have in today. This is a new poll of likely voters showing clinton leading trump by five. Were a couple days out from the Town Hall Forum in st. Louis. Talk about the high stakes. There is a lot of pressure, theres so much more interest in these debates. Normally in a case like this i think its two candidates trying to prove theyre ready to step in at a moments notice. That may be part of it. But what i find so interesting about it is you have a lot of democrats who and republicans who would prefer tonights Vice President ial debate was the president ial debate. There are a lot of democrats who would be more comfortable with tim kaine than maybe Hillary Clinton and certainly a lot of republicans who would be more comfortable with mike pence as the nominee than donald trump. So i think above all its do no harm but i think these are two candidates who have a strong grasp of the issues and the policies. One of the struggles for mike pence is going to be picking and choosing where he agrees he clearly has disagreements with donald trump. Hes captain cleanup a lot and he sort of softens the things donald trump says, is able to gloss over them but i think theyre going to be some things where he feels like he can defend them more and maybe he feels in his all right indefensible and he has to figure out how hell do that. Its a tricky gig because you have to be up on your own policies and the folks at the top of the ticket that may not jibe with how you felt. Let me ask you, jackie. Theyve been throwing out toptiered surrogates today including bill clinton who was out, he made news for better or worse using the word crazy and obamacare in the same sentence. Here he was. But the people that are getting killed in this deal are Small Business and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies. Why . Because theyre not organized, they dont have any Bargaining Power with Insurance Companies and theyre getting whacked. So youve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care and then the people are out there busting it sometimes 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. Its the craziest thing in the world. First of all, is he wrong . And second of all will there be cleanup . This is why bill clinton is a blessing and a curse in his campaign. Hes bill clinton, hes going to say what he thinks and yet this isnt helpful. Hes not talking about his wife, hes talking about obamacare and thats not why hes there. Hes a huge draw, particularly for bluecollar workers which is why theyre sending him to eastern ohio so this is why he really connects with people but you take that with, you know, him maybe going off topic and hes going to talk about medicare next week. Hes supposed to be Hillary Clintons surrogate and this is what hes doing. Will voters associate hillary with obamacare . Oh, i think theres no doubt. And i think what youre hearing some of the surrogates say is we just heard Amy Klobuchar and she said ive always believed obamacare was a beginning, not an end. The issue to what we heard bill clinton say is there is some truth to that and some people are feeling that, but thats a side effect of jackie and i covered Health Care Reform on the hill from beginning to end. Yeah, you did. And what we remembered was at the beginning of it was were going tackle the cost and they bent the cost curve which means its increasing less fast, thats pretty bad. So its still an issue that people are feeling and clearly that is something that kind of needed to be pared but tackling the cost wasnt something that was politically palatable so its something that needs to be achieved. In that regard hes not wrong. How do you feel . Im glad hes the new surrogate with the trump campaign, thank you, bill clinton. With 15 of those Health Care Exchanges failing, thats why in 2010 republicans were able to come back is because of obamacare and how much we were hurting. You couldnt keep the doctors you were promised. This is a great thing. I hope mike pence capitalizes on this and lets talk about how the Affordable Health care act as hurt the middleclass and women. I dont think if its something that necessarily helps donald trump because you could have people who are liberal and say it didnt go far enough and thats why and i dont know if thats something that plays to Donald Trumps advantage as maybe like a bernie sanders. If she were up against bernie sanders. Im on obamacare, i can categorically say it is better than what i had before obamacare but it is not as good as what it could be and Hillary Clinton, fortunately, has a plan to make obamacare better by including a public option whereas donald trump, like the rest of the republican party, only wants to repeal it and has no plan for what he would do for the 20 Million People who would lose health insurance. Not true. And it goes to what were going to see in tonights debate which is tim kaine, who represents both a candidate in Hillary Clinton and in a party which is about moving the country forward. Its about embracing immigrants, its about embracing womens rights. Its about trying to provide opportunity and health care for all versus mike pence who actually i hope people take away from tonight where they may not know where donald trump stands on issues, we very much know where mike pence stands on issues. He stands for backwards policy on gay rights, on womens rights, on immigration across the board and i hope people are paying attention because that should give them a sense of who donald trump is that he picked this man as his running mate. We saw the pictures, tim kaine formerly on the Richmond City council, this is how he started up to governor then senator, pictures of him arriving here at Longwood University. Ladies, thank you so much. Appreciate. It thank you. A quick reminder, cnns full coverage of tonights debate starts at 4 00 eastern leading up to the main event. Then its mike pence and tim kaine debating tonight at 9 00 eastern. Please watch live here on cnn. Just ahead, you know its 2016 when a republican senator is now backing off calling her nominee a roll model for kids. You will see the tape. Plus, donald trump claims there is a race riot in america monthly. Is that true . Lets discuss. 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Were talking politics this evening ahead of the big debate at Longwood University. Let me tell you this, donald trump defending revelations about his possible tax avoidance touting it as proof of his business savvy. In pueblo, colorado, trump confronted the issue, addressing it head on and boasting about it. Here he was. I have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. And to the benefit of my company. My investors and my employees. Honestly, i have brilliantly used those laws. With me now, Sara Huckabee sanders who is a senior trump advisor. Nice to see you again. Great to be here. Welcome to beautiful farmville, virginia. With the way mr. Trump addressed this last night saying the way he used the tax laws, is that him do you see that as him essentially admitting he didnt pay the taxes for a number of years . I think its him saying i followed the letter of the law which is what we would expect for any businessman and any american to do is to follow the law that was given. I dont understand why the Clinton Campaign would make this an issue because in this race theyre the only ones that have helped write or pass any legislation. If theyre upset with anybody, they should be upset with themselves. Hillary clinton is the only one that ever played a role in passing or writing law, not donald trump. All he did was follow a law that was written. In following the law that was written, would you agree with the Rudy Giulianis and Chris Christies of the world who would call it genius . I do. Maybe im wrong but im sure when your accountant gave you taxes you didnt say you know what . I dont think youve asked me to pay enough, let me add more. Nobody does that rk, they pay w theyre asked to pay, what theyre required to pay under the law and i dont know why we would expect different rules for donald trump than any other business person in the country. Okay, what about the issue also of regular folks who do pay their share thinking how the heck do you lose a billion dollars . That was 1995 a billion dollars, that could be a hundred billion dollars today. Thats a lot of money. What does that say to his business acumen . I think if you look at it in the full context of his life, he was able to go through were looking at one year. You look at he was able to fight through the recession, lose that money and come back and create thousands of jobs. The only job Hillary Clintons ever created were government jobs. Those arent real jobs. Thats me and you paying more taxes to do that. One billion dollar loss in one year. And i think one of the reasons that people like donald trump is because hes a fighter. He got knocked down and he came back. He built a massive fortune not once but twice. Thats the american dream. Thats what most people want. They want to be able to build Something Like that. Hes done it not one time but two times and i think thats a Great Success record and something he should be talking about. Let me ask you this moving off of that as a woman. We were talking in the last segment with my panel about this 15yearold young woman who asked Hillary Clinton the question about body issues and the wake of what donald trump did and said and tweeted about the Miss Universe bit last week, body shaming, weight issues, the videos of the gym from years ago. I mean what does he need to say to put this to bed because shes still talking about it. I think one of the biggest issues that women care about im a mom, a working mother.