30. Thats nothing. And i know youre saying its a different world. Donald trump is different. Again, i just come back to the fact that this is not a primary campaign. You need to reach hundreds of millions of people, not a small slice of the electorate. 732 people on the clinton payroll and trump with 70 people on the payroll. We had more votes, almost 14 million votes in the primary than any other republican primary. This is not a primary campai campaign. I understand. Her salaries covered have to be 10x what our salaries are. What theyre doing is taking money and spending it on things. We are leaner, meaner, more efficient, effective. Get bigger crowds. Get better coverage. Very important to understand that mr. Trump can go directly to the people and thats not what hillary has to do. Theyre going to waste millions of dollars on paid advertising which consultants and others make a fortune on and thats not the trump model. Your philosophy is that you should continue to stay lean and mean. You have to grow but you have to grow smart and strategic and efficient. If this was the business world, people would be commending mr. Trump for the way hes run the campaign on 50 million beat candidates of spending three times that and hillarys bernies case four and five times that. They think money equates to votes and proven time and time again the money spent doesnt equate to the votes you get. Youre painting a nice picture of the Trump Campaign and state of play. If its that way, why wouldnt you be the Campaign Manager . Im proud of the campaign and understand the reality of building an infrastructure, coupled with the rncs 500 people on the ground and all the resources why couldnt you be the person to do it . I dont know the answer to that. But what i know what do you think . I know ive had a privilege and an honor of being part of this 18, 19 months and i have no regrets and im so thankful for this chance and i know that what i will do moving forward is share my advice of what i know with mr. Trump and the team if they want it. Ill still chair the New Hampshire delegation to the Rnc Convention next month and me and every person i know will continue to vote for and support donald trump. Such a good soldier and youre loyalty here is exactly why, one of the main reasons he kept you on for so long. Its not just loyalty. And belief in him. I get that. I guess my question is, somebody tuning in to watch this might be thinking that, you know, on another planet because youre making it seem like everything was really great an i get that thats your, you know, your instinct because youve been so loyal to him but it just doesnt make sense in a logical way if things are that great why you are not still at trump tower. The campaign is moving in the right direction. Thats the most important thing. Building out the campaign is something thats very important to do. And i can tell you, again, ill give any advice i can to the campaign but at the end of the day voters will have to make a choice. Theyll choose Hillary Clinton or choose donald trump. Two more questions. They have to choose trump to save our country. We were talking about structure and you were also in charge of communications. When mr. Trump said, this is the speech to give after orlando, and it was doubling down on the muslim ban and delivering a speech that was by republicans almost universally thought what was that . How involved were you and were you encouraging him to do that . I dont think thats true and what he is said and given credit for, stepping up and making a speech immediately after the terrorist attack and calling it what it was which is radical islamic terrorism and you know what . Thats not what im talking about. Talking about the policy prescription. I understand. Look. But did you encourage him to do that . Did you say this is right on . We have a problem in the country. Not going to answer my question. We have a problem and hes going to point it out, Political Correctness, a problem. Not turning people in because theyre afraid of being profiling. We saw this in San Bernardino and the attacks and neighbors knew they were making bombs in the home and refused to turn them because they were afraid to be called racial profiling. We have to get away from this, save our country and our country and if that means turning somebody in policy an rhetorical response to orlando was right . If you were to rewind and you had a time machine and do it all over again, would you do it the same way . The immigration policies are a us aster. We cant vet people coming into this country. Syrian refugees or any other country, a simple background check. The San Bernardino killer came in on a k1 visa. Married to an american citizen and the state Department Said we cant look at the facebook and social media accounts to determine jihad terrorists in you. Theres something wrong with our government that cant do that to protect our own citizens and we need a better system in place and what donald trump has said is hell fix that system on day one of him becoming the next president of the United States. Can you take me behind the scenes on the comments of the judge in did you say to him, you know what . Mr. Trump, you might not want to go that far and say those things about something that is so explosive or did you say, right on . No, no. Its not a binary decision. You have a judge in san diego whos ruled against him on summary judgment, and the case should have been dismissed on. The lead plaintiff got out and continued the case an time and time and time again and over 10,000 people with evaluations saying that this is a great institution, he went out and found scholars from the best institutions to put the courses together. Sounds like you said right on. And the judge refuses to make rulings which are fair and equitable. The fairness of this, calling that into question. When you have the lead plaintiff asked to be removed from the case, over 10,000 respondents, 98 of the people that took the courses responded favorably in video or written evaluation or both and some plaintiffs in this case, right, what these people want is to go after mr. Trump seeing deep pockets and the judge should have ruled on hes calling into question the ability for a fair and honest assessment of the evidence presented to them and i think thats okay to do. So you were did anybody come out and say, you know what . Did anybody have a conversation as part of a Campaign Meeting or anything of that sort saying, you know what . This is something to pull back on and you said, no, no. Right on, go for it . Wasnt a conversation like that. Everyone has an opportunity to weigh in on issues and could be what we like to call surround sound advocacy. End of the day. Im trying to get some specifics about, you know, kind of the one of the raps on you is that you fed his worst instincts. Look. I think if thats the rap they want to tell me or put on me, i think whats fair to say is anybody who knows me and known me over a long period of time knows im a very straight shooter. Much to my own detriment on many occasions. I tell it the way it is. Im not smart enough to lie and cant remember the lie i told. I give my best opinion and recommendation. Thats an obligation to anybody i work for, mr. Trump or a different company. All i can do is give my best advice an counsel. Ill give you my best advice and if its something you agree with, great. If you disagree, thiss okay, too. We have had many conversations with we have either agreed or disagreed but at the end of the day i dont take it personally. I give my best advice. Whats your biggest regret . On this campaign . None professionally. None . My biggest regret theres human. Flesh and blood. Not being able to have my family more involved. They live in New Hampshire. I have four young children. Its tough on them because theyre 5 and 7 and 9 years old, great ages and want me to be around and thats fun. Campaigns are so allconsuming, so time consuming, difficult to go home and explain what your day was like. Thats not a regret at all. I have no regrets as it comes to this campaign. Im given an opportunity and privilege and somebody said to me 18 months ago, youll be managing the candidate through 37 state victories, 14 million votes, more votes than anyone in the history of the Republican Party, i would say, is that possible . Look what hes been able to achieve an im a small part of that. So i have no regrets at all. Still going to be involved in the head of the New Hampshire delegation, leading the New Hampshire delegation on the floor of the convention. Ill make sure that every delegate is voting for donald trump and every person will that i know come november. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thanks. Wolf, back to you. Thanks very much. Excellent interview. Lets get some analysis. We have Gloria Borger with us, niamaleka henderson and ron brown steen. What did you think . I think dana asked every question she needed to ask him and like he was in an alternate universe saying he didnt know why he was fired and that the campaign had been going well. And that one thing that did strike me, wolf, asda that tried to point out to him, obviously dysfunction in this campaign, he kept on talking about the people who have been here, quote, from the beginning. Right . And its clear when he kept saying that to me that there was this split between the folks like corey who had been there since day one and newer people like Paul Manafort brought on later on in the campaign and didnt talk about being relentlessly on mess and. He was usually supportive of donald trump saying he can run a different kind of campaign because he can go directly to the people. Talking about the support he has in congress. Even mentioning paul ryan and Mitch Mcconnell whom as you all know have said theyll support the nominee and, you know, had difficulty with trump. So, stayed on message as if he had not just been fired. Ron brownstein, dana asked several times, why were you fired . He said, i dont know. Clearly he knows why he was fired and didnt want to get into it. Yeah. First of all, they have to save that tape and play it in Journalism School of a respectful but relentless interview. Thats right. I think that was a big evasion. But i thought he betrayed the answer with the two themes in the interview and two basic issues argued that the approach that worked in the primary would work in the general. At one point he said donald trump had the finger on the pulse of the public and the past 15, 16, 18 months in a way that no one else has. Thats been true for republican primary electorate if you look at the overall ratings with the broader general election electorate, it is a much more questionable statement and second time making that argument said, look, as gloria pointed out, what we did the lean and mean primary organization directly to the people would be what would work, could work again in a general election and i think in both of the lines of argument of lewandowski he kind of showed i think the limitations and extraordinary loyalty, showed the limitations and kind of a vision that would help explain why a decision like this was made. Amazing loyalty to donald trump. He did. I mean, almost like listening to donald trump. Right . He talked about judge curiel in the same way as donald trump did. He talked about the muslim ban and the response to orlando in the same way that donald trump did. He talked about not needing infrastructure, running a lean and mean. He also argued essentially to win the white house using twitter and facebook. He talked about leading polls in new jersey which isnt true. Everything according to Corey Lewandowski is awesome and going his way and the way that donald trump approached this. Nothing has gone wrong. Everything is going according to plan and i think in some ways made a case for why he shouldnt be there i mean if hes a mirror up to donald trump then im sure donald trump needs someone to tell him Different Things about how the campaign is going, be a little bit more critical because in this interview, i think he called him the best speaker the country has ever seen and sounds like something donald trump would say about himself. Say what you will, gloria, about donald trump, fires someone in a visible way, an awkward, embarrassing way and the person fired is totally loyal. Its clear to me from listening to this interview with dana that coreys loyalty is to donald trump. Coreys remains loyal to the candidate. I think his problem was with the people who worked for the candidate or the candidates family quite frankly. Who disagreed with his strategy and disagreed with his management style. I mean, another point that dana tried to keep hammering in was his management style. Which is abrupt and difficult and i was told this morning, you know, people couldnt get any work done. It was a matter of his work product not getting done. The need to expand the campaign. And he denied all of that. And said, look, im tough and i expect a lot. But, you know, he denied every point that dana was making which other people numerous other people have made over the last months about corey and i think with trump there was finally a trau that broke the camels back and may have been his daughter and soninlaw. Major political news. Everyone stand by. We have to take a quick break. We have got a lot more analysis coming up of da ins interview with the ousted Campaign ManagerCorey Lewandowski. 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My goodness, the interview my colleague dana barb had with the former Campaign Manager of Donald Trumps campaign, he is now out. Im talking about Corey Lewandows lewandowski. He is ousted, the family members put pressure on him to do something about lewandowski. Moments ago, lewandowski was sitting here for 20 minutes asda that bash asked every question in the book. From your perspective, what happened . Why were you fired . I dont know. I dont know the answer to that but i know we have we have been able to achieve in this Campaign Cycle is historic. We had a candidate who june in last year announced to run with no elected Office Experience in a field of 16 and went ch went on to get almost 14 million votes and changed the way people look at politics an im proud to have been a small part of that and running as the outsider of this campaign, which he has done, running against the corrupt washington, d. C. Establishment and Political Correctness is something im proud to be part of. So you think it was appropriate for donald trump to make the change and let you go . What i think is that the voters have a binary decision coming up on election day, to vote for Hillary Clinton and the liberal policies or put someone in place to change washington and i will do everything i can to make sure that the latter of those two happens which means donald trump is elected president. If i can do that from inside the campaign, it is a prif lenl. Outside the campaign is also a privile privilege. Did mr. Trump himself call you this morning and say, i dont mean to use this term but its the term, youre fired . I had a nice conversation and said to him its been an honor and privilege to be a part of this. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. 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