by the way, brokered convention is when no one singular candidate has enough delegates for that nomination. so then you have these deals that are made, brokered, to select the nominee. and that meeting, that was reported in "the washington post," spurred carson today to release this statement in part, it reads like this -- if this was the beginning of a plan to subvert the will of the voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, i assure you, donald trump will not be the only one leaving the party. so let's go straight to senior political rather nia-malika henderson who has the scoop. let's begin with this carson third -- third you know party option ticket. explain what you know. >> you know, this is strong words from ben carson who is typically pretty mild mannered. but i think you see him very much trying to line himself with donald trump. ben carson in a very odd position in this campaign right now, declining in some of those national and state polls, so here he is, in a very strong statement. we get this in our in box at about 8:00 this morning, part of it says i will not stand by and watch a theft. really accusing the rnc, they are sort of already trying to orchestrate some sort of deal. now the rnc has come out and said listen, this was just, you know, kind of an everyday meeting that they had. this was partially discussed, the idea of a brokered convention. but this was no sort of the preview of some kind of brokered convention or them hatching a deal at this point. he's also come out and said subsequently, carson has said, that he doesn't really think he would run as an independent. this is very much like trump did. he sort of made the threat, and then made it seem like it was very unlikely. but you know, chaos, chaos, chaos in so many ways. >> all right. so then similarly though, the chaos continues because as you've been reporting, there's turmoil within the carson campaign. >> there is. there are really two carson campaigns. there's one that's kind of the informal campaign that's made up of armstrong williams and ben carson. add the thing about armstrong williams is he has no official role in the campaign but he's very close to carson and he has taken some pot shots at the campaign saying that they haven't really prepared carson in the way that they should. you remember the meeting last week where he seemed to be sort of off his campaign in talking about international affairs, pronouncing thomas -- hamas as hummus and people mocked him for that. and the campaign has come out and said well listen, armstrong, you aren't always that helpful to the campaign, either. armstrong in the past has come on air, for instance, and criticized ben carson saying he's got to be tougher and be used to the kind of scrutiny that we're going to give him as he is in this presidential campaign. they have said, listen, it's a work in process. they're trying to be one, unified campaign, going into the iowa caucus where they've identified about 100,000 voters. they think if they can get 35,000 of those voters to caucus in their favor, that they could win but at least they want a third place finish. and then they can continue from there. >> okay, nia-malika henderson, thank you so much. back to sort of her first point, first here on cnn, one of the top organizers of the republican national convention responded to carson's statement. sean spicer is who i'm talking about. he said the controversy really much ado about nothing that the dinner was simply informing those attending how the process, the convention, would work. >> it really is. i mean, honestly we have a dinner a night with people who have expressed an interest. like i said three weeks ago we had 150 members of the press here where we walked through the same thing. we meet with people all day long who have an interest in this process. pundits, members of the media, donors, campaigns. people have questions about the process, we answer it. but here is the bottom line in all of this. republican voters will choose the delegates that will go to the convention in cleveland next july. those people will decide the nominee. that's it. bottom line. >> so joining me now the editor in chief of the washington free beacon. matthew thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> let's take a half step back because when everyone is waking up and realing this "washington post" piece about talk to this broker convention what would lead to a brokered convention? what would that look like? >> the way that the political analysts that i trust describe it is right now the republican field is so large, and the delegate allocation pool in the different states are so complex that you could have a situation if all of the candidates remain in the rails for awhile, where no one candidate has the required number of delegates to actually wind the nomination. this is something real clear politics has written about. i think that may be what the people at the rnc meeting nia-malika was reporting on were discussing. >> and then people are saying that that would be so different than for example in '76 it was ford, reagan, that was two candidates at the time. and as you point out this is so many more and who knows how many rounds it could go. there is that. number two there's this element now, senator ted cruz and this leaked audio, "new york times" changed in this private fund-raiser. here's the clip. >> i like and respect both donald and ben. but i think in both instances, and particular you look at paris, you look at san bernardino, it's given a seriousness to this race. that people are looking for who is prepared to be a commander in chief. now that's a question of strength, but it's also a question of judgment. i think that's a question that is a challenging question for both of you. my approach much to the frustration of the media has been to bear hug both of them, and smother them with love. because i think the people run as who they are. i believe that gravity will bring both of those kaps down and i think the lion's share of their supporters come to us. >> all right. so that was at his fund-raiser. and these politicians have been around. they know that people are going to have cameras and record things. but that said that was -- that was private. and then you have this tweet since then saying quote the establishment's only hope, trump and me in a cage match. sorry to disappoint, donald trump is terrific, #dealwithit. >> matthew as i'm looking ahead to vegas and our republican debate, how do you think the dynamic between these two, between cruz and trump, will play out for all of us to see? >> well i think it's up to donald trump. because in that tweet you just read, it's exactly what ted cruz said in private he was going to do which is continue to bear hug donald trump and wait, basically, for his campaign to fade away. i think there's real danger in any republican waiting for donald trump's campaign to fade away. but i think in the debate tuesday you'll see ted cruz try to avoid conflict and the matter is up to donald trump. does he want to initiate conflict with ted cruz since it's cruz who's creeping up in the iowa polls. >> he is creeping, indeed. you write this piece in the free beacon about the party divide gets to how trump's candidacy may first republicans to realize their party may be changing. tell me how, matthew. >> look i think the party's nominee is a reflection of where the party is going. and you saw that in 1964 with barry goldwater. you saw that in 1972 with george mcgovern. you saw it in 1980 with ronald reagan where he brought in religious voters and brought in urban voters who were part of a new deal coalition. so it's very possible that what we're seeing in donald trump is a new change in the complex and the character of the republican party, bringing in new voters, and maximizing kind of the white working class voters who have always been a part. but a neglected part of the republican coalition. if that happens then the party of reagan and george w. bush will probably cease to exist as we know it. after this election. >> which is what is making a lot of establishment republicans shake. matthew, thank you so much with the washington free beacon editor in chief. thank you. and a reminder as we mentioned the big debate in vegas four days away. it is tuesday, december 15th. 6:00 and 8:30 p.m. right here on cnn coming up next we have to show you these pictures here. these divers, fbi, what they just found in the water where investigators have been looking for evidence connected to the killers, that terrorist couple in san bernardino. we have the latest there for you. also, a disturbing new warning, isis, using machines to create fake passports. why this could change the game. and a jury convicts a former police officer accused of raping 13 black women. moments ago the women who survived his attacks broke their silence during an emotional news conference. we have it. we will play it for you. do not miss this. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. oh no... 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did this couple hide, toss something in that water? the fbi isn't saying. one theory is that that hard drive that is conveniently missing from the killer's home computer, could it be in the water? what the fbi is saying is this, is this the husband had ties to a terror recruiter, and a group of jihadists in california, it was a group arrested back in 2012 for trying to travel to afghanistan to join al qaeda. and, now a warning to americans, as the manhunt in geneva, switzerland, intensifies you have six terror suspects linked to the paris attacks who are now missing. which means they're on the run. so how does this tie to a threat here in the united states? i can tell you that a source is telling cnn that intercepted communication was picked up between extremists connected to isis, who were discussing not just possible attacks in geneva, but we're learning they were discussing attacks potentially in chicago, and in toronto. this as the u.s. warns of a new threat posed by fake passports. fake passports. a new intelligence report suggesting that isis actually has a machine capable of making these passports. here is the director of the fbi. >> are you concerned that isis has the ability to create fraudulent passports or other identification documents for its operatives that has a practical -- that is a practical matter it would be almost impossible to detect? >> yes, mr. chairman. the intelligence community is concerned that they have the ability -- the capability to manufacture fraudulent passports. which is a concern in any setting. >> let me bring in the ceo and editor of foreign policy magazine, also author of national insecurity. welcome back. thank you very much. >> glad to be here. >> let's begin with what comey was talking about. this passport, this printing machine. first of all, how would isis have even -- where would this have come from? >> they've been gaining ground across syria and iraq and they went into a town where it was thought these machines existed and they took them over. >> government buildings? >> right exactly. and you know, we have to recognize that if you're going to have a terrorism mission, you're going to try to conceal your identity. you're going to try it across borders. and there are a bunch of ways to do this. you can do this with manufactured passports, you can do this with stolen passports, you can do it by sneaking across the border. so, you know, it's a worrisome development. but it's not unexpected development. >> so you're not surprised, because you know people have been sitting in that seat for, you know, a year and a half talking about isis' level of sophistication, this is you say par for the course. >> yes, isis' level of sophistication is growing as isis grows and they do more of these things, they become more sophisticated. i think we also have to keep in mind for example that we had these attacks in san bernardino, and they had u.s. passports and visas. so, you know, it doesn't take -- >> k-1 visa. >> it doesn't take a syrian passport to create this kind of threat. there are a lot of ways. >> what about that that frightens you the most though of what we know so far with regard to san bernardino? >> about the san bernardino? >> yeah. >> well i think it's kind of the new normal. right? i think isis is the first open source terror group. they're essentially saying, you want to sign up, you're it. >> go freelance. >> go freelance for us. >> and then we'll take credit for it. that's an incredible force multiplier. it means that anybody disgruntled. anybody radicalized can go take action and all of a sudden it looks like isis is everywhere all the time. they didn't necessarily recruit them. they didn't necessarily train them. they're not part of a hierarchy. and so that makes them look scarier and scarier. if you're a terror organization, your job isn't just killing people, it's spreading terror. >> i know a lot of this is perspective. we were talking commercial break about a piece you wrote last week that ruffled some feather about sugar versus isis being more deadly. i would love to hear more about that in the sense i'm looking forward to the debate and some americans are frightened. because i'm looking down at my notes, this is the latest "new york times"/cbs news news poll, most americans fear a terror attack it's the highest it's been since the days after 9/11. so americans will be watching because they want answers. they want these candidates to say this is what i will do if i'm elected in the oval office to keep you safe. >> well, look, fear is a very powerful thing. it's those kind of feelings that drive elections. it's not cerebral, it's gut. >> yeah. >> and we're living in a moment where you sit here every day and you're reporting on a different terror attack on a regular basis. >> yep. >> and we've seen that. and that drum beat makes people nervous. >> there's rhetoric out there that does, as well. >> having said that we have to keep it in perspective. it's a serious threat. we need to do what we can to contain the threat. 600 times more people will be killed in the united states this year from gun violence than from terrorism. and many more people will be killed from obesity than from terrorism. and so these threats are bigger threats. and we can't allow the ones that dominate the news or that scare us the most to take our attention away from the big things. governor christie a couple weeks ago said it was irresponsible of president obama to be dealing with global warming when he should be dealing with terror. but let's be serious, the degradation of the environment of the planet, which will dislocate hundreds of millions of people, cause untold suffering, and may be irreversible is actually much, much bigger than the threat that could be caused by a relatively small terror group like isis. >> david rothkopf, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >> next he stood trial accused of raping 13 african-american women. now a former oklahoma city police officer has been convicted. prosecutors say he used his badge to take advantage of these women. some of the survivors, they are now breaking their silence. >> he just picked the wrong lady to stop that night. >> i feel like i was in survivor mode, so i had to do what he was making me do. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. 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>> exactly that. >> really? >> without question. this is egregious -- as egregious as it could possibly get. let's not forget, brooke, how we got here. and how we got here is as i'm sure mel will speak to is the bravery of the woman we just saw there and to go forward and say i'm just an average citizen but i'm going to go forward and trust that the police will do the right thing. that they'll investigate the case and get to the bottom of it. they certainly did. she went in june of 2014. by january he was fired. they ultimately uncovered that there were 13 other victims. it went to the grand -- it went ultimately to a jury trial and then you wonder will the jury do the right thing? will they do the right thing because there are 13 african-american women, and there's an all-white jury. >> all-white jury. >> and will they scratch the surface? and could they relate? they sure did. to the tune of 263 years that they confirmed to that judge. now, the last part of it is this, then you wonder when you are at that jury trial you wonder, you know, will the defense really go in to it with the victims and say, you're from the poorest of the poor neighborhood. you're a drug dealer. you used drugs. you're a prostitute. you're a criminal. and they played that card. and the jury rejected it, and they rejected it resoundedly and ultimately that was the great strength of the prosecution, to say who would this police officer do this to? people he thinks he can get away with it. you know what? he sure didn't. >> tells you that the jury was very angry about that tactic, too, about attacking the victims and pointing out that they were either prostitutes or had records or were addicted to drugs. we believe, brooke, that the last woman that you were showing in the clip with the bob-style hairdo is the woman that broke the case. she's a 57-year-old grandmother. now think about this. your own grandmother driving home from playing dominoes, she gets pulled over, not in a neighborhood she lives in, but a neighborhood that this police officer had been targeting. she is then forced to do these unspeakable acts. she fears for her life, but when she got home, having no record, having no reason to fear the police, having always respected the police, she called the police. and so i see this as a story not only of this amazing woman being very brave in a moment where you could have just tried to make it all go away and pretend it never happened. but it's also a story about a police department that does the right thing. >> they did. >> yes, they did. because they believed her. and you know what else they did? it took them just a month to go, you know, there are these six other unsolved cases that look like what happened here. >> and it snowballed and they uncovered and they peeled back the onion and this is what they got. >> 263 years recommended in prison. we'll watch for the sentencing. >> consecutive time, by the way, brooke. which means that each and every victim has a compelling story unto its own and something he did unspeakable as to each of them. so i look -- >> 18 different acts. >> sentenced and sentenced and continue. he's not going to see the light of day. >> joey, mel, thank you. just in to cnn we have audio from the united states supreme court justice antonin scalia under fire for comments that multiple people are calling straight up racist. we'll play that for you next. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. could protect you from diabetes? 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>> i am all right, sir. let's just begin. i feel like we need for people who are watching more context. here you have justice scalia, he's talking to this attorney representing the university of texas at austin. give me more context in this conversation. >> well, you know, justice scalia responded, or as you said, he's no stranger to controversy. his remarks very much so bold and blunt. i think to properly contextualize his statement requires that there be a bold and blunt response. we're looking at some very alarming, very concerning statements coming from a sitting supreme court justice. and quite frankly, these remarks were racist, and they were highly offensive. but the biggest issue that many should take away from scalia's remarks is the fact that you have a sitting supreme court justice who uses an amicus brief that he does not name, he does not give a source for in terms of where the brief came from, to say some pretty offensive things, or make some pretty offensive suggestions. and i know people have said well these weren't his words. these weren't his arguments. but the trouble with that is that if scalia didn't believe that this were a viable argument, if he didn't believe that there was some level of credence attached to what was written in this amicus brief he would not have offered that in challenging the attorneys that were arguing the case. and the fact that he did shows some really concerning things about his attitudes about black learners, and the aptitude of black students in college. >> it is definitely significant what a, you know, sitting justice was saying. and you know, some of us were talking about it earlier today. if you had a politician, i.e. donald trump and if donald trump were to say the exact same thing we would be all over it. and here you have a justice, justice scalia saying this, and he is an incredibly powerful authoritative position. >> you're absolutely correct. it's really important that people understand the level of power that the supreme court has and for him to sort of openly, under the cover of this anonymous amicus brief come out and say, you know, listen, it may not be a good thing for black students to be able to go to schools like the university of texas, should raise some real concern. but i also think that beyond that, it will be interesting to see whether this conversation will spill over or traction with respect to the conversation in the presidential election right now with respect to the presidential candidates. is anyone going to be asked or anyone going to comment regarding their philosophy in terms of the types of justices that they would seek to appoint if elected president, and what ideological -- what ideology they would seek to advance if they had the opportunity to appoint some supreme court justices. >> don't know if you've heard. we've got a debate coming up on tuesday. that could be interesting talking about the philosophy of appointing justices. charles koegman jr. thank you so much. we'll see you back here in new york. thank you. next i just mentioned donald trump because he's under fire for proposing to block muslims from traveling to the united states. my next guest is a blasting his idea. fareed zakaria joins me next. po, a penguin loaded a toy car onto a racetrack. zoom! it took off... ...going faster and faster, and twisting and turning, until finally, it stopped... ...right in our driveway. but dad, penguins live in the south pole. the lexus december to remember sales event is going on now, with some of the most magical deals of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. iand quit a lot,t but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology, helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. 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>> you know, it was a hard piece to write. i've been doing this kind of thing for about 25 years, commenting on public policy. i've never written a column that i can recall that ever said, as a indian american, as a muslim. i believe in trying to persuade people with logic and reason, and argument. and not, you know, use my identity as some kind of badge one way or the other. and so do i think to a large extent, most of my viewers probably don't know where i come from. >> right. >> but i felt like this was a case where trump was making it so difficult to stay in that common space where you are having a kind of argument about the ideas. because he was branding an entire group of people one way that i had to kind of stand -- come out and be counted. it felt like i couldn't just hunker down and pretend this would pass. >> why do you mean as an american you're appalled specifically? >> because i think in america of all places, people are allowed to have many different identities, to shed some of their own identities, to take on new ones. that's what the whole process of being and becoming an american is all about. and what trump is doing to really he's trying to push you back in to the box of one of your identities and say, this is the only identity i can care about. you know, you may be whatever you think you are, father, husband, a writer, a businessman. i'm going to look at you only in this one way. >> mm-hmm. >> and i'm going to discriminate against you in that one way. and that idea, it's really how very bad things start. i watched it in the balkans. i watched it in iraq where all of these communities used to live pretty peaceably together and then politician comes there and he says these people are different. they're the problem. and you categorize a whole community. not just a few bad people. you -- >> broad stroke. blanket approach. >> and then what happens is, you know, so that community starts getting defensive. the other people get suspicious. and the downward spiral of segregation and discrimination begins. >> the line from the muslim american soldier you were talking about who was a refugee from bosnia said it like this. i know how things work when you start whipping up mistrust between your neighbors and friends i've seen them turn on one another. and that does seem to be the beginnings of what's happening here. what next? >> well you know, trump is almost encouraging it. he's saying to people spy on your muslim neighbors. look and see if they're doing anything suspicious. report on it. now, look, obviously if anybody detects any kind of suspicious illegal activity, any kind of terror, you know, quasi-terrorist activity, of course you should report on it. >> yeah. >> but you know, what he's doing is really saying all these guys are suspicious. monitor their mosques. eavesdrop on them. you know, see what they're doing. and you know, the real tragedy here is that the united states, muslim americans, are very well integrated. people from around the world come here to see how well we do this. yes, you've had this one, you know, very sad case in san bernardino, which is a complicated one because the woman was actually from pakistan and lived in saudi arabia. >> right. >> not really a classic american immigrant story. but by and large we've done this very well. and what might happen, because of what trump is doing, is we will end up with the same kind of problems europe does where the communities live apart, are suspicious of each other, they became ghettos of exclusion, and then radicalism and jihad. >> thank you for writing this. thank you for joining me. i can tell it felt different. that's one perspective. we're talking next hour to a christian soldier who wrote this incredibly poignant letter to muslim americans. many time fareed thank you very much. make sure you tune in as always to fareed zakaria gps sunday mornings here on cnn. it is an american tradition the army/navy football game played tomorrow in philadelphia. that is where coy wire lucky you got sent. i have my oldest friend played football at navy so i always feel a little you know, biased on this one. but you know, listen, these are soldiers, these are sailors. this is a phenomenal day for them. >> yes, and navy's won 13 straight so they're rolling. look this is a heated rivalry. it's one of the true treasures of american sports. it dates all the way back to the year 1890. it represents the pageantry, the sportsmanship, the respect and all the very best of college football. and the action's picking up. moments ago the apache helicopters made their practice runs for their flyovers tomorrow. and then the leapfrogs, navy's parachute team descended from about 4,000 feet in the sky into the stadium on their practice jump for tomorrow's big game. just as this event is so much more than a game, navy's record-setting quarterback keenen reynolds is so much more than just a football player. this guy is an inspiration. let's take a look at his scholastic course list. we're talking about national security decision making in the cyber age, politics of irregular warfare, not the ordinary course load of a football player, brooke. this guy is disciplined, a dedicated future leader of our nation. i asked him about his erudition outside of the game. >> the courses we take are priming us for what we need to be successful out in the fleet as leaders. >> when you hear about the things that happened in paris and now in san bernardino, california, does that move you? 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>> there's nothing wrong with it per se. if other religions could be accepted as well as have their own displays. there can't be one dominating voice to all the voices. >> so how is it received? >> a lot of people threatened to destroy it. but for the most part i felt like it was met with acceptance and curiosity. >> do you celebrate christmas? >> i do, actually. i personally just view it as more of a time to be with my family. >> so you don't think christmas should go away, even though it is the day that commemorates the birth of christ? >> no. not at all. i feel like everyone should have the right to celebrate their religion, but every voice has to be heard. >> every voice has to be heard. here she is. lisa ling joins me live from los angeles. i was watching a bunch of different clips and it's all these different voices. i had no idea. so correct me. satanists, they don't actually worship satan? >> so, the satanic temple is a new religious movement, and the followers are very defiant about the fact that they are, in fact, a religion. because followers believe devoutly in the seven tenets of the satanic temple. but they don't actually believe in the devil, or satan, or any other deity. more than anything, they really are kind of a political action group, and they exeist to protet the imposition of what they stay are judeo christian values on our political system, in our politics and in public life. interestingly enough, even though this group has chosen satan as the head of it, a lot of the issues right now, the idea of respecting people of other faiths, especially during this time, a lot of these issues are very relevant right now because there's a lot of scrutinization of people who espouse different beliefs, if you know what i'm talking about. so even though this group is trying to use one symbol, really, they're trying to get people in this country to recognize and appreciate people of all different faiths. >> i was watching the mother who lost heir son, and you know, she felt strongly about joining this because of a tenet on civil rights. tell me more about these voices we'll hear from. >> well, we know that in schools across this country, there have been issues with administrations in some cases recognizing kids who might be gay. and banning people who are gay from student offices, and this woman that we featured found solace with the satanic temple because her son committed suicide after a lot of pressure from friends and family members, and she found that the imposition of christian values into the school system to be one of the reasons that may have pushed her son to take his own life. >> hmm lisa ling we will, indeed, be watching. lisa's special "the belief of satanists" on "this is life" 9:00 eastern here on cnn. thank you so much. we continue on top of the hour on this friday afternoon, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me. we are just four days away from cnn hosting the final republican presidential debate of 2015. and now there will be not just one, two candidates on that stage in las vegas who are threatening to revolt from the republican party. you have the news today. ben carson has just opened up the option that he could run as an independent. it's a card, as you know, that donald trump has been playing. carson's threat comes after a report that republican party leaders talked about the possibility of a brokered convention when the republican national convention happens next summer. contacts in history here, the last time something like that even came close to happening was way back, 1976, a brokered convention is essentially when no one single candidate has enough delegates for that nomination, so the deals are made. those are brokered on the commission floor then to select that nominee and that spurred ben carson this morning to release this statement. and it reads like this. if this was the beginning of a plan to subvert the will of the voters and replace it with the will of the political elite, he goes on, i assure you, donald trump will not be the only one leaving the party. so with me now, ying ma the deputy communications director for ben carson. ying, thank you so much for joining me. >> brooke, thanks very much for having me. >> so let's just begin with this news that there is this potential of a third party run. what would -- what would it take for ben carson? what would that last straw be for him to mount an independent run for president? >> brooke, it's not so much about an independent run, it's about standing up for we the people. dr. carson is running in a very unconventional campaign, and americans across the country have responded to him enthusiastically, and overwhelmingly, and what we object to is the likelihood of this race being fixed by the prty establishment, and we did see a report in "the washington post" talking about these party insiders, trying to find a way to -- to get the nominee, or nominees that they would prefer, and what we believe in, is that the american people will not stand for that. the republican party's primary voters certainly would not stand for that. and we hope and pray that reports of these back room deals are not true. but if these reports are true, the party should be ashamed of itself. >> let me get to that. because it's an important "washington post" piece that you raise. but, sean spicer, from the rnc, who we have now heard from, responding to -- i'll get back to that. but back to this third party threat from dr. carson, he said the rnc is constantly having dinner with, you know, folks from different kauns. this is sean spicer earlier today here on cnn. >> it really is. i mean honestly we have a dinner a night with people who have expressed an interest. three weeks ago we had 150 members of the press here where we walked through the same thing. we meet with people all day long who have an interest in this process. pundits, members of the media, donors, campaigns, people have questions about the process, we answer it. but here is the bottom line in all of this. republican voters will choose the delegates that will go to the convention in cleveland next july. those people will decide the nominee. that's it. bottom line. >> okay so a couple of questions. one, based upon that, he said he's having dinner every night, ying, has your campaign ever had dinner with sean spicer, reince priebus, anyone from the rnc at all this season? >> so, i don't keep track of who has dinner with whom. but i certainly know that -- >> certainly you would know if you're talking to rnc. >> we certainly have conversations with the rnc. and we were not invited to the dinner last night. i am sure that if the rnc -- >> has it brokered convention in any of the dialogue with the rnc on the phone at dinner whatever has a brokered convention ever come up with the carson campaign? >> well, i think there are all kinds of different possibilities, right? but we don't object to people talking to the rnc. what we do object to are the political elite, the so-called washington establish mment tryi to impose their will on primary republican voters -- >> i'm not asking you about the washington elite. i'm grateful that you're giving me the time from the carson campaign. i want to know with regard to the carson campaign if you all in discussions with the rnc that presumably you have had over a course of time that the notion of a brokered convention has at all come up? just yes or no. >> i'm not here to make public whatever conversations we have with the rnc or internally or anyone else about the possibility of a brokered convention. >> i'm just saying if you take issue -- >> that's not the point of our -- >> -- coming up as was reported from "the washington post" it is important to know whether it's come up in the past with your campaign. >> no, actually what we -- what we are taking issue with is not so much the brokered convention but the possibility of a number of party insiders, the political establishment, trying to subvert the will of of the people. the process will play out the way it will play out. but that particular report i'm referring to in "the washington post" specifically talked about a number of these insiders trying to find a way to push for the candidate or a candidate they prefer and those are establishment candidates, and it is no secret that there are plenty of party insiders who prefer candidates who are not outsiders, such as dr. carson. you know, we believe that that -- the decision of who becomes our nominee ought to be left to the people, the gop primary voters. not left to people in these motel rooms. >> let me ask you about. are one of our senior political correspondents nia-malika is reporting on the carson campaign and that it's in chaos and it's centered around armstrong williams carson's long longtime friend, he's upset because he says your camp never seems to prepare dr. carson, and then you couple that with an embarrassing "new york times" story raising questions about dr. carson's grasp of foreign policy, not to mention the dip for carson in polls. i'd love your response to that. >> well i think those reports are really blown way out of proportion. you know all these people talk about our campaign in crisis. i go to work at the campaign every day and i work closely with the senior management of the campaign and none of us see any kind of a crisis. i think it's much more -- >> is there bickering between -- >> look mr. williams is a very close friend of dr. carsons. we're all aware of that. he wants exactly the same thing that we want, which is to get dr. carson elected as president. are there disagreements sometimes? sure. are there instances when we have found mr. williams is not helpful? sure. there are always going to be tensions at campaigns. you know, there are lots of us within the campaign who disagree with each other, too. but you know, we are focused on one goal and that is to get dr. carson elected because we believe he's the best candidate in this race. >> with understand and with you know some of the concerns raised over dr. carson's knowledge of foreign policy just quickly, how, how is carson a man who wants to be the leader of the most powerful country prepared when he pronounces hamas hummus. >> brooke i think once again that is a very petty point. dr. carson normally, in fact he rarely, ever, reads a speech. that day, you know, the speech that you're referring to, he read a speech probably it was the first time that i've seen him read a speech and i think his pronunciation was something that people couldn't hear very clearly. what people are forgetting is the real point. dr. carson appreciated very much the content in that street and it reflects greatly on our policy adviser who wrote it and he wanted to make sure that he got every point across. and people who have complained about dr. carson's foreign policy credentials really ought to look at that speech. it has great ideas about how we ought to stand by our ally israel and yet everybody is forgetting all about that, and focusing on just one word. and that is truly what is silly. >> we look forward to seeing dr. carson on that stage tuesday night in las vegas. ying ma, thank you so much. >> thank you so much, brooke. >> let me turn now to our cnn political commentator michael smerconish, saturday morningses here at cnn and before we talked tuesday in the debate you were listening to my conversation with ying ma there deputy communications director of dr. carson's campaign. thoughts? >> the party has an obligation to remain neutral, right? they can't show any favoritism among any of these candidates. but they'd be derelict in their duty if they didn't game out hey what happens if no one reaches the requisite number of votes? >> rubio and bush supporters according to a "washington post" were at that dinner. >> true, they were. but i believe i have to take the rnc at face value, that they're constantly having these types of meetings and these type of confabs. i don't see any reason to believe that this was an agenda item. it seems as if the conversation wondered in to the foreseeable future. >> clearly what she's -- that campaign is worried about, though, washington elite. >> if others had a seat at the table and this was planned they too should have a seat at the table. there's no doubt about that. but the party has an absolute obligation to know where it's going especially in this incredible season. it is incredible. let's look ahead, specifically we talked a lot about trump, obviously, ted cruz seemed to be for the most part pretty friendly. now we have this audio taken from a fund-raiser, "the new york times" got it. >> i like and respect both donald and ben. but i think in both instances in particular you look at paris, you look at san bernardino. it's given a seriousness to this race. that people are looking for who is prepared to be a commander in chief. now that's a question of strength, but it's also a question of judgment. and i think that is a question that is a challenging question for both of them. my approach much to the frustration of the media has been to bear hug both of them, and smother them with love. because, because i think, look, people run as who they are. i believe that gravity will bring both of those campaigns down. and i think the lion's share of their supporters come to us. >> i believe that gravity will bring both of those campaigns down. this is what he's saying behind closed doors. tweet from senator cruz is this. the establishment's only hope, trump and me in a cage match sorry to disappoint. real donald trump is terrific, #dealwithit. how does that play out tuesday night? >> i think the reason we're all so taken with this audio is because the two have played so nice with one another. and if you look at the monmouth survey in iowa. we get caught up in these national polls, they are running one and two. cruise one, trump two. how long does this last? donald trump maintains he's a counterpuncher. he never throws the first blow or so he says. i wonder if he'll continue to take that posture with ted cruz if cruz passes him in other state polls. you've just seen from ted cruz he has no intention of going after the donald prp >> okay. so the -- those two. then you have the rest of the candidates, and we still don't know like the podium positioning which i'm also totally fascinated by. >> right. >> you have the establishment sort of taking on donald trump -- >> and getting no payoff. >> and again -- >> getting no payoff. >> right 54% of republicans support that ban on muslims entering the country. so given that, how do republicans then thread the needle, because obviously republicans are watching. >> right. >> and then you have on the other side of the stage trump. >> i've been thinking a lot about this because we're getting ready to go to vegas to cover this. nothing has stuck to trump so far. he really has been the teflon don. and there's no reason to believe that that 30% to 35% of the republican vote can be cracked. i mean look at the alisyn camerota focus group. >> totally fascinating. >> these are true believes ready to go to the mat for him. frank luntz, these people are ready to walk through fire for donald trump. >> what do you do if you're the other guys on the stage? 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>> yes, mr. chairman. the intelligence community is concerned that they have the ability -- the capability to manufacture fraudulent passports. which is a concern in any setting. >> this as we are also getting word this afternoon of a possible isis terror cell in geneva, switzerland. right now six terror suspects linked to the paris attacks. they're on the run, and a source is telling cnn that those extremists, who were discussing possible attacks in geneva, also mention attacks on toronto and chicago, as well. so, joining me now, a paris-based correspondent who we've talked to a number of times. he's been insteadible with us. stefan, thank you so much. i want to ask you about this passport machine in just a second. but i want just you to react to the fact that looking down this geneva police chief saying there is the possibility of the presence of an islamic state terror cell there. why say this publicly? your reaction? >> well, actually, yesterday the secret services of switzerland got the information off the u.s. intelligence services that probably six persons were hiding in or around geneva. the alert level was immediately stepped up, in geneva and the surroundings. the swiss police had enough information to believe that this six pose a direct threat to swiss security, and they also disclosed this information to the swiss media, which basically led to a well sort of panic in swiss city. but they had enough reasons to believe that their information was correct, and apparently they were already looking for them for a couple of days. geneva now is on the french border. so it's frite likely, well it's plausible that suspects from france went to switzerland, it's pretty easy to cross the border. but until now they haven't found these persons. but they still have reasons to believe that these six suspects are still in switzerland. >> and we understand that a trigger for this geneva terror alert, that there's this precise threat, an associate of that salah abdeslam, the so-called eighth paris attacker had crossed into switzerland. he and this associate, they're still at large, as well. and so when you look at the map of europe and you think of all these points that are now involved with all of this, i'm wondering how are european countries talking to each other? i know they have to be sharing intelligence. >> yes, well that was, of course, one of the weak points before the attacks already in january, with the charlie heb dough attacks. one of the weak points in europe is the lack of information between the european intelligence services. now, within the european unions there are basically no borders anymore. it's pretty easy to travel from one country to another country. you can compare it from traveling from the state of kentucky to the state of texas, four instance. there are no border controls. now this is in theory not a problem. but the problem is that all these intelligence services they really don't want to exchange information. this has changed a little bit. but the thing is that a lot of politicians think that this touches the sovereignty of the national countries. now one of the problems with the attacks on the 13th of november was that one of the main suspects, salah abdeslam was able to go to belgium, just north of paris. only a two-hour car ride from paris. because the border guards did not have the information that he was a suspect. now, there has been a lot of talks in the last couple of weeks since the attacks in paris. and one of the goals of the european union now is to improve collaboration, but also to -- the go ahead for the so-called passenger name register, which is a huge database of all european passengers taking an airplane inside europe, with all the data, their names, their credit cards, much more information. this is something that france has been trying to push, the european parliament was not really keen on adapting this plan. but it is looking like this plan will never go -- nevertheless go ahead before christmas, something that was basically unimaginable a couple of weeks ago. so it shows how close the european intelligence services are collaborating now right now. >> well, the unimaginable has happened. stefan de vries thank you. live in paris tonight. up next, after donald trump's proposal to ban muslims coming to the united states, a christian soldier's open letter to all muslims. it has been shared hundreds of thousands of times around the world. more of his message. plus we'll talk to captain davis swann and ask what it was that made him share this. and his response to donald trump. that's next. today people are coming out to the nation's capital to support an important cause that can change the way you live for years to come. how can you help? 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>> sure. in the section you guys asked me to read was really where i want to show that i stand with my fellow americans, and muslims that are in my community. it says, we share a common enemy in the radical islamist. they want to drive us apart, and to fear each other. they want your children to grow up hating my children. they want you to believe our way of life is evil and that we must be punished for it. they produce a barrage of internet propaganda aimed at isolating your children from those not like them in attempts to recruit them to do evil on their behalf. every terrorist attack is an attack against innocent people, and attack against peace and normalcy. it's designed to stir a violent response from those attacked and create more hatred between us and them, and sadly, it's working. >> captain swan, what specifically, we've had a lot that's happened lately, what specifically prompted you to take the time to write this? >> i actually wrote it the day after the paris attacks. because i knew it was coming. with this further division that seems to be happening between muslims and non-muslims. but, i want to share a really convicting story about a friend of mine named fasel. he lives here in nashville where i live. fasel is a muslim, and an iraqi refugee, he came here to the u.s. in the early '90s to escape genocide when saddam was gassing the kurds. he actually saw most of his family slaughtered right in front of him. he fled to turkey. he lived in a refugee camp there for about three years, and then nashville was one of the cities that accepted, you know, a large population of those refugees to come to the u.s. well fast forward 25 years, he is now the head janitor at the elementary school where my church meets. we're a small church. we don't have our own building yet. but anyway, every sunday morning, fasel, an iraqi muslim immigrant, unlocks the doors at the school for us so we can set up our church and worship jesus. i wrote it because i fear that americans -- i believe that americans are allowing fear to let them behave or make them behave in a very un-american way. i don't know if i could come up with a more convicting story than fasel's to show the unity that i share with the muslims in my community, and you know, this is the kind of thing our founding fathers wrote about. it's not just -- it's not just what they believe the country should be. it's who they were. and that's why i joined the military to protect. >> we're grateful you did. and, you know, hearing a story about fasel, also reading about your time in northern iraq and how the kurds were with you it is incredibly convicting. following that up, though, you write this one line where you talk about fear and hate, we must neutralize them. how -- how would you propose we do this in this -- in this atmosphere of hate rhetoric? >> yeah. it's -- it's certainly that rhetoric is aiding our enemies. you know, fighting terrorism is something that must be done in our department of defense, our intelligence agencies. they have a tough job to deal with it. and i realize, me being part of the military, i'm, you know, i'm part of that. and we must deal with it. but, you know, another thing you got to do to defeat terrorism is -- is make your communities tight-knit, and close. it's hard to hate up close. so i just -- i encourage people, not to give crossside looks at each other, not to assume something about somebody, i mean, being an immigrant in this country, and building a life here is like the most american thing you can do. that's -- that's how this country was built. so don't, you know, don't look at somebody that looks different than you, and stray away from them, invite them into your homes, bring them cookies, have them over for dinner, learn about them. i think you'd be surprised that there's -- you have a lot more commonalities than differences. >> it's all those little things. i'm so glad we're going into the weekend and hearing your message. it's the little things that add up to one big thing. captain david swan, thank you so much for sharing the letter. for taking the time with me. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, christy turlington burns joins me live on a statistic that may surprise you. that's next. we stop arthritis pain, so you don't have to stop. tylenol® 8hr arthritis pain has two layers of pain relief. the first is fast. the second lasts all day. we give you your day back. what you do with it is up to you. tylenol®. ♪ (vo) some call it giving back. we call it share the love. during our share the love event, get a new subaru, and we'll donate $250 to those in need. bringing our total donations to over sixty-five million dollars. and bringing love where it's needed most. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. technology empowers us it pushes us to go further. special olympics has almost five million athletes in 170 countries. the microsoft cloud allows us to immediately be able to access information, wherever we are. information for an athlete's medical care, or information to track their personal best. with microsoft cloud, we save millions of man hours, and that's time that we can invest in our athletes and changing the world. ladies and gentlemen, the 2015 cnn hero of the year is maggie doyne. >> when you heard your name said on the stage -- >> from anderson cooper's mouth. >> -- from anderson cooper's mouth. what went through your mind? 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did they switch you to an hmo maybe? >> i don't know. >> that's just a shame. that's a shame. all right, my love. did they tell you how much it was going to cost? >> like $50, i believe. >> yeah, it's interpret the i high. >> "giving birth in america" is produced by global maternal health advocate and the founder of every mother counts christy turlington-burns who is here with me in new york. such a pleasure to meet you. thank you for swinging by cnn in this series. you think this is america, how is this possible? what -- i mean two women dying each day from childbirth or pregnancy? >> that's right. here in america which is always a shocker to every other audience i speak to around the world. this is unacceptable, right? most of these deaths are preventable. we know how to save these lives and we should be doing a better job, especially at the cost you mentioned. >> so what prompted specifically this series? >> i got into this whole space because i had a complication after delivering my first child 12 years ago here in new york city. >> wow. what happened? >> i had a postpartum hemorrhage. something -- i great birth experience but in the aftermath there are unexpected things that happen that you can't predict when and to whom it will happen to. so having the quality of health care providers most women should have at that time is essential and we're trying to work at making sure that all women have thatting a dress >> i want to play one more clip. this is from rural montana. >> all my friends that have had babies since we've lived here it's just straight up scheduled inductions. if not scheduled c-sections. because they have to drive. i'm sure that's part of it, it's just easier. >> so -- i mean you point out your birth complication happened here in new york city but still, the rural needs in this country, you almost don't -- you don't realize it, right? >> that's true. the montana story in particular is pretty eye opening because you could almost argue that it's the same as subsaharan africa or another part of the world that distance is a huge factor. here we have a woman in montana who just lives far away from care and there are very few health providers in that state so she goes home and postpartum a complication arises and because she's so far away this is a dangerous scenario for a woman. perfectly healthy. mother of other children that rely on her. you could just break it down and see these are universal challenges and universal solutions exist for these barriers. >> i love you're giving these mothers a voice as well. in the final 45 seconds, tell me about your foundation. >> sure. every mother counts was started after i made my first documentary film "no woman no cry" five years ago with the hope we would be a place where more people could get engaged, take action, share their stories. so a big part of what we do when we share the challenges around the world through film and story telling, we provide solutions. this shouldn't be a policy level only conversation. it touches all of us so we have a voice in this situation and we can make improvements if we work together. >> if we work together. the series, it's an entire series on cnn.com, just go to cnn.com/mothers. christ christie tuy turlington burns, to meet you. i'm brooke baldwin. see you back on monday. in the meantime, "the lead" with jim sciutto starts right now. thank you, brooke. oil is tanking and the dow takes a dive. 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