They describe the young boy, the 10yearold son phillip, as being found on the remains of a mattress remains of a bed where there had been so much burning that the whole bed frame had been consumed by fire so had most of the mattress and even the floor underneath it all. So these are the details we have so far poppy. We just got these documents. Were hoping to learn more in court here. Were hoping to have more details in court. Basically what we have so far is a little bit of a laying out of a few more details of what we already knew. Were waiting right now, hoping any minute now that mr. Wint is actually going to be in front of the judge here in the superior court of the district of columbia. Think about, tom, the other people he was found with. Five other people i understand. One, the Authorities Say, is his brother. What about the other folks . Do we know who he was with and why . Reporter we dont know the details of why he was with them. We dont know who all they are. At the moment theyre not being charged. They havent yet come up with charges on those. Thats the word from the authorities here. Were very much hoping one of the u. S. Attorneys is going to come out and have a word to say after this is all done. Maybe well get more answers then. But this does seem to be complicated in the sense we dont really know the details. My experience tells me authorities are also sorting through the details, trying to figure out what they can be told by these various people. So i would expect them to be relatively cagey until somebody opens up and tells them something that really explains all the details of what happened. We dont even know if any of the others were involved in this part. We know right now mr. Wint is the only one charged in these four homicides. Just so tragic as they focus on the suspect here. You got to remember the family and these four people and this little 10yearold boy who the Authorities Say look like he was tortured before he was killed. Tom foreman, thank you very much. One of wints former attorneys says thats not the client he knew. He describes wint as a gentle man, not mean, a man trying to find his way, and a patriot, the kind of guy, he says you take to your grandmothers house for dinner. But wint does have a lengthy criminal past including assault and burglary charges. Investigators first connected wint to the murders after finding what they say is his dna on a pizza crust left at the crime scene. His former lawyer says even if thats true it doesnt mean that he went inside the mansion or that he killed anyone. Listen. I know him to be a kind gentle, nonaggressive person someone you wouldnt mind your grandmother going to lunch with. Hes not the guy that did this. I met with him many times. Ive observed hundreds of thousands of people in my life completed 30,000 cases in court. When im sitting across from a person hours at a time i can tell theyre kind and gentle. He was not a mean aggressive person at all. He was a young man finding his way, a student at prince Georges Community college. He tried to get into the marines. He was patriotic. Ive had many cases the dna findings have been thrown out of court. We dont know who conducted this dna and how it was done. It needs to be scrutinized. Why are the police letting out piecemeal, little bits of evidence in a chinese water torture method . They need to conduct themselves in court and not keep talking to the media, trying to brand this guy. So that is wints former attorney who represented him in six different incidents. Joining me now to discuss, defense attorney randy zeleny. Also with with us troy slaten. Thank you for being here. Troy lets begin with you. If this pizza crust is the only dna that they have in this case right, its sort of shocking to people that if he was in this house for hours and hours, how is there no other dna . But lets say its just the pizza crust. Is that enough to get a conviction . It may not be enough to get a conviction but it may be enough for probable cause to hold him to answer to these charges, which is a much lower standard. Of course the dna will have to be examined to see how it was collected and all the other evidence. Circumstantial evidence is sufficient in a case like this. Randy, what do you think . Its so difficult to say. What were talking about, first of all, a little evidence 101, the difference between direct evidence and circumstantial evidence. Its as simple as, if you want to know whether or not its raining outside, well if youre outside and the rain is falling on you, thats direct evidence of rain. If you go into the subway and its not raining and youre in the subway and see people coming down and theyre wet and they have umbrellas and their umbrellas are wet, you didnt see it rain you dont have direct evidence but you can naturally infer. So where does this dna on pizza crust fall in there . Look not to be flippant but if thats all that they have can you say that theres no other plausible explanation . It is his former boss. Maybe he was in the neighborhood stopped by. They had pizza. Dont forget the movie my cousin vinny. You had the wrong people. Those things can happen. Simply dna, not enough. Troy he fled. He knew the authorities were going after him. The Authorities Say when they caught him last night, he had 10,000 cash on hand. Well thats more circumstantial evidence. The fact he fled thats called consciousness of guilt. In every single criminal trial when a person leaves the scene, when they run, when they try and evade the police theyre allowed a specific jury instruction that the prosecutor always gets and is always afforded that says that when somebody leaves that means its consciousness of guilt. They knew what they had done was wrong and they were trying to get away from the authorities. Randy. Go ahead. No go ahead. Jump in. In a circumstantial evidence case every other explanation has to be excluded to a moral certainty. Flight they found him in maryland. He went to new york and then came back. I would argue thats what risk of coming back. The fact he had ten grand in cash on him. Again, he could have been going to buy a used car. So you cannot at this particular moment exclude every other explanation to prove his guilt right now. Troy i think its interesting. Look, he has a criminal record as we talked about, but no significant history of violence. Theres no murder charnlsges, no aggravated assault, no kidnapping. You say criminal acts tend to increase over time. Explain what you mean. Thats true. His former attorney said oh this is a guy that would be great to have lunch or dinner were grandma. Well in 2010 he was caught with a machete. I dont know about mr. Zelin, but i certainly wouldnt want a guy coming to dinner with my grandma with a machete. Criminals very often start small and get big. Randy, put yourself in the shoes. Youre going to be the defense attorney okay. What do you do . The first thing im going to do is look at evidence. Right now all we have is the dna on the pizza crust. As my colleague indicated, were going to tear apart that from how it was collected to how it was analyzed. Do we know thats all they have . Thats all we know right now. Again, i would not argue that was consciousness of guilt from a risk of flight standpoint. I would hope that my client made no statements once he was taken into custody. Right now we dont have a murder weapon. Right now we dont have a motive. So weve got a long way to go before we Start Talking about a conviction certainly beyond a reasonable doubt. And lets not forget hes presumed to be innocent. Thank you very much. Good to have you both on. Have a great weekend, guys. Coming up next bikers declaring war on some Police Officers after that shootout in texas. A new warning suggesting that biker gangs, some of them may have bombs and grenades and be poised to attack Police Officers. How are the police preparing . Well talk about that next. Also cnn sits down with an interview with a waitress and a former bartender from the twin peaks restaurant including one who saw that entire standoff first hand. Hear what she has to say. Also isis advancing, terrorists getting closer and closer to baghdad as critics pounce on president obama for saying the United States is not losing this war. Color is a beautiful thing, i know, i know. 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What the warning also says is officers family members could be at risk as members of the bandidos and black widows may, they say, seek retaliation for sundays shootout in waco that left nine bikers dead. Four of those bikers were killed by police. Lets go to cnns alina machado. When you look at this, some are critical of this information. They say, how realistic of a threat is that really . Where is it coming from, and how seriously are the authorities taking it . Reporter well poppy, authorities are definitely taking it seriously in light of what happened over the weekend in waco. The bulletin is based on unsubstantiated information from an informant who claims to have obtained it from members of the bandidos and another group called the black widows. You know the Texas Department of Public Safety issued this warning, saying they believe some members of the bandidos were actually giving the group grenades and c4 explosives to retaliate against police for what happened in waco texas, over the weekend. I want you to listen to what the Waco Police Department has to say about this new threat. The incident that occurred here sunday afternoon was an absolute tragedy. However, those of you that were there know that we did absolutely nothing to start that. We would ask you to remember that and remind you that although you have totally different ways from us Law Enforcement did not start the melee that occurred at twin peaks on sunday afternoon. Reporter obviously the message is lets keep the peace here. Authorities not just in waco by the way but authorities all over the state of texas are on alert since this shootout happened over the weekend. So yur in moure in mingus. A rally was planned here. Obviously, because of what transpired last sunday, its been canceled. What is the sheriff doing there to prepare in case anyone shows up with any ill intentions . Reporter the sheriff tells us that he is prepared for the worst, but again, hoping that nothing will happen hoping for the bestcase scenario. Hes hoping it will be a quiet weekend. One of the biker groups involved in sundays deadly shooting over in waco texas, was the cossacks. They typically have a meeting, a rally in this town in mingus every year. This year after what happened they decided to cancel it. I want to show you a sign here in town. It says the cossacks have agreed to cancel the mingus employee blowout, which is the rally, for the safety of mingus. The road leading to the cossacks property is blocked off. Its just down the street from where we are. So far, were told that no one has showed up and the hope here is no one else will show up and that things stay calm in this town. All right. Alina machado live for us there. Thank you for that. And police say 170 bikers all of those who were arrested in waco on sunday came there to be violent. But an attorney for one of those men behind bars says his client was a bystander, not a brawler. Well he was in the parking lot. The meeting hadnt started. He heard a gunshot, fell to the ground, then the melee broke out. Thats all he knows. He was there to attend the meeting. So what did happen . Obviously there are a lot of different accounts depending on who you talk to. Our very own gary tuckman sat down with a waitress from the twin peaks restaurant where the bikers had gathered. She says she was there when the first shots were fired. Two women who worked at the twin peaks restaurant one of them a waitress who was there when the shots rang out. Amy, who doesnt want her real name used doesnt want her face shown for her safety says the trouble started in the parking lot. First it seemed like a simple fistfight. Were they yelling and screaming . Theres a little bit of yelling. You couldnt hear exactly what they were saying. You could hear a little bit. Amy says almost all the bikers were on a patio outside of twin peaks. A patio that fits about 100 was standing room only. Next thing you know a gunshot went off. A couple fired after that. What are you thinking . I honestly didnt know what the hell was happening. I didnt know if gunshots were going to be flying towards the building or just back and forth between who was shooting. There was a lot of screaming. You hear all of us oh my god, whats going on just start screaming and take off running to the back. Some of the people were down squatting and running at the same time or crawling to the back. Employees and some customers hid inside a walkin refrigerator and freezer. How many people were in there with you . There were seven waitresses and then one customer and like six or seven, maybe eight of the kitchen staff and back of house staff. It was pretty scary. Because we were like and we were trying to put stuff in. On the refrigerator where we were, we had racks to move in front of the door to kind of barricade ourselves. So if anyone were to come in trying to actually get after everybody, we at least were protected. But what were you discussing while you were in the refrigerator with everybody . Just if we were even going to make it through. After about 10 or 15 minutes, bikers outside the refrigerator, at least some of who ended up being arrested told them the coast was clear. You walked out in a line your hands up. Who told you to put your hands up . The police did. Somebody up in the front was told to put their hands up so they passed the word back. We were just passing it back to each other. You went out with your hands up. You must have been very relieved. A little bit, but it was nerve racking having guns pointed at you. By the police. Uhhuh. Veronica williams left her job as a bartender a week before the shooting. So its your opinion that the police gave your bosses fair warning, the possibility of a bigtime trouble with these guys. Yes. Veronica says she was working in the restaurant last month when cops came to talk to the bosses. Tell me what the Police Officer told your managers. He said there was conflict between some of the motorcycle clubs and it would be in the best interest to not have any biker events. But events continued to be held. The top manager at the waco twin peaks did not return our phone calls. Today amy is grateful to be alive. I look back and were all beyond blessed it wasnt worse than it already was. Gary tuckman, cnn, waco texas. Really first time weve heard from someone directly who was inside of that restaurant. All right. Coming up next, breaking news in the fight against isis. Authorities say they have arrested two wouldbe terrorists on u. S. Soil. Well bring you the details on that next. 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