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think should be a hero. you are in the cnn newsroom i'm in ana cabrera in new york. the meeting is on. the white house not cancelling president trump's historic face-to-face with his russian counterpart, vladimir putin. even after friday's indictment accusing 12 russian members of the russian military of aching the u.s. election system. these russians are accused of hacking democratic emails, stealing voter data poisoning u.s. democracy. president trump is blaming someone for the 12 russian's actions but it's not putin. instead i points the finger at his predecessor, barack obama. all this cochems amid growing calls from democrats and at least one republican to scrap monday's summit. such a move would not be unprecedented. president obama cancelled the planned moscow meeting with putin in 2013 after russia gave asylum to leaker edward snowden. our corps correspondent in scotland, what is the administration saying about why it not canceling the summit. >> ana it's clear that the white house and president trump are not letting the indictments get in the way of the helsinki summit they have been planning for with vladimir putin. the white house is not even really acknowledging the link that is implicit in the indictments between russian state actors and the hacking of the 2016 election. president trump instead sent several tweets from his golf course not far from here in turnbury blaming president obama and saying it didn't happen under his watch. he said the russian individuals did their work during the obama years why didn't obama do something about it? because he thought crooked hillary clinton would win that's why. had nothing to do with the trump administration but fake news doesn't want to report the truth as usual. but of course none of this is about whose watch it happened under but rather about who was responsible. and especially just a couple of days before this helsinki meeting this really seems to underscore that president trump is hesitant to blame vladimir putin for this. he has said in the last couple of days that he plans to talk to putin about election meddling. but the president says he doesn't want to belabor the point. doesn't want it to get in the way of a summit that he thinks should be about several other issues and about building a potentially positive relationship with russia. on the other hand, as you pointed out, a lot of democrats are saying that the president should go ahead and cancel the meeting that the indictments really poison the well and prohibit any sort of progress being made on the united states front. and john mccain a republican senator sfr arizona also weighing in saying if president trump is unwilling to stand up for the united states with putin in this meeting he should cancel the summit. but the -- but the white house is not really taking any of that seriously. they're saying the summit is going ahead as planned. they've also said that president trump and putin plan to meet the press in some kind of news conference during the summit as well. it remains to be seen how forcefully the president will bring this up in his meeting. but we no he so far that the president doesn't really want to talk about it publicly. he doesn't want to criticize vladimir putin publicly. what he does privately may be another matter ana. >> abbey phillips thank you. deputy attorney general rod rosenstein said he told president trump about the indictment earlier this woke. and here are the highlights of what the president would have seen. russian military officials -- officials think about this -- hacked the emails of hillary clinton campaign officials. they also hacked into computer systems at the dnc and the dcccc the democratic campaign congressional committee where they could see every key stroke employees made and steal passwords and data like opposition research and election plans. niece hackers went after voters too trying to hack into election systems in at least 21 states and in some cases they were successful. in fact, they stole info belonging to around 500,000 voters. that's also spelled out in this indictment. let's discuss with cnn legal analyst michael zeldin. he worked closely with robert mueller during his time at the justice department. michael does it seem that mueller may be in the home stretch of the investigation that he is about to wrap it up? >> i don't think we know that ana. what we know and see mueller has given us sort of a one-two punch. back in february he gave us part one, which was the use of social media, facebook and the like, to stage an interference by the russians into the 2016 campaign. now, we have seen part 2, the hacking of the democratic national committee and d triple c computers as another effort to interview with the 2016. what mueller shows us in the two indictments which have to be read together is what the russians did sort of unto us. now what we have to see is whether mueller is going to see whether or not anyone here cooperate pd with that effort. . he has not yet signalled an interest in dieting anyone on that. it may be that the evidence doesn't support it. but we have yet to see what his conclusion is with respect to that cooperation. so i think that's what's still ongoing with respect to this aspect of the counterintelligence investigation. >> i know you and others in the legal community have talked about how you start wide and narrow down. this indictment did come three days before his meeting with putin. do you think mueller purposefully timed this release? >> well, mueller reported to rod rosenstein when the grand jury was going to be ready to make the indictment. and i think that between the two of them they zoided that we're just going to go forward on normal time schedule, which was to release it as it was released. rosenstein briefed the president before it was released. and the president could have said to rosenstein you know, look this isn't going to help me in communications with putin when we go to helsinki. can you hold that until after i get back? he could have done that but he didn't do that. so presumably the president, rosenstein and mueller felt informs the best time to do it. and they did it. and in some sense if the president wants to address this issue with put opinion this is very empowering of him. because he has a document from our justice department which details that which putin has denied. so it's a good opportunity for the president if he wants to take advantage of it. >> there is an interesting tidbit in this indictment. and it reads, quote, on or about august 15th, 2016, the conspirators posing at gucifer 2.0 received a request for stolen documents from a candidate for u.s. congress. the conspirators responded using the gucifer 2.0 person aire and sent the candidate stolen documents related to the candidate's opponent. we also know the russians gave stolen information to an american lobbyist. i mean, is this potentially illegal? >> it could be. everything ana is fact specific in the law. so if that candidate for congress knew that gucifer 2.0 had stolen information and requested that stolen information and then further transmitted it in the course of his or her campaign, that could be interstate transportation of stolen property, receiving stolen property, aiding and abetting. so, sure, those things are potentially criminal. but as i said at the outset it's very fact specific and we need to know what did the individuals communicating with gucifer 2.0 know about the contents of what gucifer had? whether stolen or not. >> thank you very much. we always appreciate you joining us. so now knowing what we know about russia's election meddling, what does president trump say when he sits down with putin? let's talk with over ann apple balm. column knit within kim dozier cnn global affairs analyst. ann, welcome. good to see you kim. the official response from the whus and the president doesn't even mention russia let alone condemn russia's actions. and do you think that's strategic in some which because of the upcoming summit? >> look, trump has been denying that russia had any responsibility or any role in the election from the beginning. he denied it during the campaign even as he was asking russia for help openly. we saw him do that. it's not very surprising. i think he understands this whole case as something that undermines his presidency and his election. and so he sought to deny it from the beginning pimd be very surprised. i hear some of your commentators speculating what he might say to president putin. i would be surprised if he brought it up and of course putin will deny it because he has been all along. i'd be surprised if he pressed the issue. this is not what trump wants to talk about and he wants to avoid it as much as he can. >> the president said himself he plans to bring up the election meddling. but to to your point he was expecting a non-s answer or deflecten from president putin. i'm wondering kim how do you the president moving forward with the summit let alone meeting one one-on-one with members of the national security to me team or intelligence operations. >> look, the charges against russia and russian election meddling are things he has known some time. things the intelligence community has briefed him on whether or not that's been reflected in the mueller comments. the mueller indictments are another nail in the coffin accusing russia of carrying this out. but look at his wider pattern. if i'm channelling trump officials i've spoken to and some supporters they say he does this with people he thinks are adversaries, whether the chinese premiere in his first year in office, or the north korean leader. he flatters them. he wines and dines them. he has a warm conversation with them and then the tough talk comes later. just like any business negotiation. to take counterpoint, some of the nato and european officials i've spoken to are really going to be studying this closely. because they understand that there is a certain familiarity breeds contempt and that he treats them with a certain amount of contempt or outright open contempt. but they want to see just how much putin can get him to agree to in public. and that's how they measure his presidency moving forward. >> ann, let me play for you what we were just discussing about what the president has been saying at least leading up to this meeting. this was before the indictment came out. but it was just yesterday he said this. >> i know you'll ask will we be talking about meddling? and i will absolutely bring that up. i don't think you'll have any gee, i did it, i did it, you got me. there won't be a perry mason i don't think. but you never know what happens. but i will absolutely firmly ask the question. and hopefully we'll have a very good relationship with russia. >> so now we have this indictment, 29 pages. not just russia's efforts to influence voters through propaganda. i mean it shows how russia went after america's actual democratic machinery. they got info on 500,000 americans including birth dates, even partial social security numbers. and does this change anything? >> look we are talking about the president of russia, who is a man who had troops on the ground in ukraine and denied that they were there. and we could all see they were there. and yet he said they weren't there. so i'm not sure why anybody is expecting him to react to robert mueller's indictment or however specific it is, however many gru officials, that's russian intelligence officials he names. i'm not sure that anybody expects putin to respond by doing anything other than laughing. that's what he does when he lies. he lied to angela america. . to barack obama. he lies to his own people. there is no particular reason to think that he will react any differently than he ever has before. you know, the real question it seems to me is whether this meeting gets to -- whether we learn something for fundamental, which is what is trump's real relationship with putin? why does he praise him so frequently? why does he talk about him as an ally and friend for more than a decade? you know, those are -- there is some mysteries to their relationship or at least to trump's feelings about putin that have never really been revealed. i'm hoping that's what we learn from the summit that we will get some explanation, we will see a reflection in the conversation and in thescription afterwards of what happened that explained that. >> maybe that's the perry mason moment we all need to watch for. kim, i want you to listen to what the director of national intelligence can be current dni dan coates said last night. >> it was in the months prior to september 2001 when according to then cia director george ten et, the system was blinking red. and here we are nearly two decades later. and i'm hear tories the warning lights are blinking red again. >> kimberly, i know you have a lot of contacts in the national security commune. what do you know about the current threat? >> well the current threat is something that is much discussed, much recognized by the intelligence community, by the pentagon. and it is something they daily fight against. so you get a bird' eye view of what president trump is getting briefed probably nearly daily. that said, what trump hasn't done to our knowledge is to declare some sort of war on cyber threats by russia, the same way there was a declaration of war on al qaeda, war on terrorism. and while every day you have national security professionals battling it out in cyberspace against moscow, what you don't have a concerted effort with extra resources like we had in the war on terror. and that's what they don't seem to be able to get across to the president in the briefings to him. and it's a -- it's a matter of frustration for a lot of people thp. they think maybe it's going to take a major hack before he gets that they are not just adversaries but enemies probing the u.s. defenses every single day. >> kim dozier and aen apple balm thank you for being with us. how exactly did the 12 russians carry out the crimes spelled out in the new mueller indictment? 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>> well, it's good to be with you ana. it's painful to hear. but i think that what is at the bottom of all this is something that's been known for a long time and really is what's at the heart of the mueller investigation which is that crimes were committed. the computer fraud and abuse act was wroeken. there was a conspiracy to do it. it was run by 12 senior military intelligence agencies -- agents at the direction of vladimir putin. there was money laundering involved. we now know there is the -- there is enough information that the fbi has that robert mueller has that they can prove that in court. >> okay, now as i read the 29-page indictment i kept coming across the details like what i just read and i was like oh, my gosh it could happen to any of us. the phishing emails are out there. when you lock back do you remember that email specifically and did it raise red flags for you? >> you know, there is a back story to that involving a couple of different people in the campaign. but, no, i don't remember getting it. and you know, but, the files that were obviously opened up, the russians stole them. they delivered them to -- through wikileaks to do maximum damage to our campaign. and all, again, as our intelligence community has assessed helped donald trump get elected president. and you know, to this day he refuses to admit it. keeps joking around about it. and attacks mueller and the investigators, refuses i think to stand up for america. we will see what happens next -- on monday when we meets with vladimir putin. what he should do is -- is insist that first of all that all of this activity stop. and that- or else there will be tremendous consequences. but as the director of national intelligence said, the red lights are blinking but i think the white house is essentially asleep at the switch. >> i mean, it is striking that the president's response and the former white house statement that they put out after this indictment had no mention of russia. in fact, it does go on to point fingers at the past administration. let me quote the russian individuals did the work you during the obama years why didn't obama do something about it because he naught crooked hillary clinton would win. that's why had nothing to do with the trump administration. john, did u.s. officials count too much on clinton winning? do you wish obama had done something more? >> i -- look, i think that they knew more than i think the public knew. they did put pout a letter on october 7th saying the russians were trying to interfere in the election. but, you know, obviously, again, this has been the subject of a good deal of commentary and discussion. particularly at the end when jim comey decided to reopen and then close the email investigation of hillary clinton. and yet provide no information about the fact that the fbi was also looking at russian connections to the trump campaign. i think that definitely hurt us. and i think if -- i think if my friends in the obama administration had to do it over again they would have done it differently. >> do you think any campaign is prepared for an attack like this? >> well, look, these are extremely sophisticated agents. they're not just russians obviously that are -- and the chinese do it as well, the north koreans, the iranians. but i think that, you know, the difference between 2016 and what i think we saw going back to 2008 when the chinese hacked into the obama campaign and the mccain campaign was those were intelligence operations. and for the first time really in the united states context, the russians weaponized the fruits of those intelligence gathering efforts in order to help one candidate against another. that was new. and of course it had been done in eastern europe and in moscow's backyard but never done at that grand scale in -- in the west and particularly the united states. and it's -- again it's high time the president take that seriously and try to do something about it. instead i think what we'll see is more of the same from trump, which is, you know, to try to be buddy buddy with a guy who completely attacked our democracy and -- and you know that's a sad commentary on the state of the presidency. >> but does a comment like that help in terms of the politicization of this issue. >> comment like mine i'm telling you what i think. i agree with mr. rosenstein who said yesterday that we should try to -- to manage this matter in -- dsh by putting partship aside, not acting like democrats or republicanings. i think he put it well when he said that this is an issue of vital national security, we ought to come together. but then when i watched the president's tweets this morning it's hard to take that seriously. >> john podesta thank you for joining us i appreciate your time this weekend gloo good to be with you ana. >> 17 days trapped undergrouting ground. that was the reality for 12 boys rescued from a cave in thailand. we walk you step by step through the extraordinary rescue next. the winter of '77. i first met james in 5th grade. we got married after college. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester, neither did our story. and that's why we'll always drive a subaru. introducing e*trade personalized investments professionally managed portfolios customized to help meet your financial goals. you'll know what you're invested in and how it's performing. so you can spend more time floating about on your inflatable swan. 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[ speaking foreign language ]. >> in came the piping and the pumps and thai navy seals as the water continued to rise, the equipment for a serious diving operation was transferred by hand and by hoist deep into the cave. where were the boys? could they be reached in time? the place is known as the big cave for a reason. almost seven miles of tunnels and recesses, nooks and crannys. anxious distressed relatives could only wait. and offer prayers. >> i cannot expect but every minute is important. >> the cave was met by french divers in the 1980s is among the longest in thailand. but it's the first few miles of the cave that concern us here. the most recent survey was carried out by this man, vern unswerth. a british caver who has a home in the area his questions was call in the british experts. >> we got the thai authorities to understand they needed expert divers out here. cave diving it's specialist. it's like diving with -- you can't see three inches in front of your face. and they needed world class divers. and that's what we got. >> rick stanton on the left a retired firemen from coventry. and the it consultant from bristle. in cave diving they are pretty much as good as its gets. at the request of the thai command center they were flown out from britain. on the ground they almost passed unnoticed two guys in dark shorts ante shirts and wellington boots. they made the first exploratory dive on wednesday june 27th four days after the boys went missing. the challenge was immediately obvious. the waerpt the color of cold coffee almost no visibility, swimming againstatorent of water, the engorged stream running through the cave. the divers were able to hey down a guide rope and on the seventh day of diving, monday, july the 2nd they found the boys perched on a reccy ledge and were met by an unforgettable chor us of little voices. >> how many of you? thirteen? brilliant. >> what day is it the boys ask? >> monday. monday. you have been here ten days. ten days. you are very strong. we are happy too. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> okay. >> england, the uk. >> oh, indeed. a nice surprise. england home to manchester and. the divers were warmly embraced by family outside. hugs all around. they brought hope out of the darkness. the boys were joined on their ledge by navy seals, given food and emergency foil blankets and medicine. they sent messages to parents, wrote letters that were carried out. their coach helped keep their spirits up during the ordeal in the tiny refuge, less than half the size of a tennis court. the coach sat at the back. he had been a buddhist monk in his youth and taut them to meditate to pass the time. on friday july the 6th, tragedy struck. one of the thai divers saman lost carbness as he replaced oxygen tanks and died. he was 38. the retired thai navy seal he volunteered to join the rescue effort five days earlier. his death change the mood in the cave. now there was a growing urgency about a rescue. we know it happened over three successive days, sunday, monday, tuesday, july 8th, 9th and 10th. thai navy seefls released footage of it. the boys carried out on military stretchers wrapped in foil the last mile or so. we glimpsed a face here and there. each boy regularly checked on the way out by doctors. but the most dramatic and daring part of the rescue happened off camera in this submerged part of the cave system. >> these divers, you know, they went in on three consecutive days. that's tough. you know, four be, five, six hours each time. you know, in not so nice conditions. but superhuman. >> we know the boys were sedated in some way. an australian cave diver dr. richard harris was part of the too many. he is an anecessa. they had full wet suits, full face mask. alien to them but the only way. >> the most important thing was a full face mask which we acquired on sight with positive pressure to enable them to breathe and to not feel anxiety during the process. >> it seems then the boys were somehow escorted out one by one by pairs of divers before being put in stretchers preponderate uk, aufrmts, denmark, the divers left inside the cave indicated they came from over the world. but there is a general reticence about talking about what each did. another pair of british divers. chris jewel and the left and jason malcein were involved in escorting the boys out but weren't prepared to reveal more. >> our role was to help transport the boys under water through the caves to bring them out. >> and not forgetting the anonymous acquire at the time of thai navy seals who kept the boys company on the ledge the seven days they were the last out after the boys. >> to get any of them out alive would have been a miracle. but to get 13 out of 13, will not happen again. it's the biggest miracle ever. >> after the rescue, the sense of overwhelming relief and gratitude on the streets. you could see it in their faces. something wonderful had happened. the salute for an ambulance taking one of the boys to hospital. this woman didn't have to say anything to let us know how she felt. her nephew had been saved. [ speaking thai ]. >> from his hospital bed and still in quarantine the youngest and last of the kids to be rescued paid respected to parents. all had relatives kept behind glass. the youngest has the longest name in the team. here he is glimpsed in the cave. his nickname is titun. he urged his parents not to worry but get ready his favorite fried chicken. his father was drained by the ordeal but eternally grateful his son survived. >> 13 will not be an unlucky number anymore. >> we now keenly await to hear the boys' version of the events. the coach, nick glass, cnn, with the extraordinary story of how the wild boars and their coach were lost and found and safely rescued. >> incredible story. the boys and their coach, they are sending messages from hospital beds. going on camera, one by one sending thanks to rescuers. and for the support they received from around the world. we wish them the very best and we'll be right back. ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia. these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com at crowne plaza, we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we're all business, mostly. i'm trying to manage my a1c, then i learn type 2 diabetes puts me at greater risk for heart attack or stroke. can one medicine help treat both blood sugar and cardiovascular risk? i asked my doctor. she told me about non-insulin victoza®. victoza® is not only proven to lower a1c and blood sugar, but for people with type 2 diabetes treating their cardiovascular disease, victoza® is also approved to lower the risk of major cv events such as heart attack, stroke, or death. while not for weight loss, victoza® may help you lose some weight. 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