Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom Live 20190429 : comparemel

Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom Live 20190429

The world. Im Rosemary Church from cnn World Headquarters in atlanta. Cnn newsroom starts right now. A u. S. Religious community is in shock after a holy day turned into a day of terror. A gunman killed one person and wounded three others at a california synagogue on saturday. It happened in the city of poway on the last day of passover. This woman killed in the attack is being praised as a hero. Lori kaye was shot stepping between the gunman and the rabbi, possibly saving his life. The rabbi is recovering after being wounded, and he spoke about the attack on sunday. And i walk into the lobby, and i see lori laying on the floor unconscious, and her dear husband, dr. Howard kaye, who is like a brother to me, is trying to resuscitate her. And he fants and hes laying there on the floor next to his wife. And then their daughter, hannah, comes out screaming, daddy and mommy whats going its just the most heart wrenching sight i cut ha could have seen. I got up on a chair right there and i look at our congregation and i said [ speaking Foreign Language ] we are a jewish nation that will stand tall. We will not let anyone or anything take us down. Terrorism like this well, three people were wounded in that attack. Cnns sara sidner spoke to a little girl hit by shrapnel and she has more now on the shooting. Reporter you heard rabbi goldstein, who was injured, his fingers shot off by the gunman, talking about other people inside his synagogue who were also victims. Including a little girl named noya dahan, who was 8 years old and hit with shrapnel in the face and in the leg. We spoke with her and heres what she had to say about what happened to her on saturday. My uncle, he was holding my hand and he was, like, grabbing me and stuff, and the person who was shooting, he was aiming at him. So he it hit him in the, like, it went like that. It hit me, too. So you got hit with shrapnel . Yeah. Little pieces . No, like the main one is pretty big, but these ones are little pieces. So, this was like a pretty big piece. And then it went back here. So the piece of shrapnel went in your leg and then came out the other side . Yeah. What were you thinking then . Did it hurt . In the first place when it was like gushing blood, i didnt even feel it and then after, like, they wiped it and then, like, the blood was off and it was, like, it felt like i had a giantest bruise ever. It was just hurting bad. Her father says that his daughter was saved by her own uncle. He was grabbing all of the children up, trying to get them out of harms way when he too was hit in the leg by a bullet and his niece hit with shrapnel there. The father also described the terror and the heartache as he watched the gunman take aim at the people he loved and killed one of the congregants. Our sara sidner reporting there. Well, now to sri lanka, which remains on high alert amid warnings more attacks could be imminent. The countrys president has banned the burqa some muslim women wear. He calls them a Security Risk and a flag of fundamentalism. This comes in the wake of the deadly easter bombings. Police think a local extremist group, ntj, is behind the bombings. They are focused on the groups leader who died during the easter massacre. His sister tells our sam kylie up to 18 members of their family are missing and feared dead. Reporter their plots foiled, three terrorists rant. Bombs primed and on the brink of annihilation, they boast of taking their families with them. They made that video as the police and army were closing in on their position and then they took the time option, suicide and the murder of their children and wives. Reporter two brothers and the father of zahan hashim, the alleged mastermind of sri lankas massacres, killed themselves, their three wives and six children with three bombs. The hashim brothers were identified by the police and their sister who spoke to cnn. We have hidden her identity for her own security. Translator i have a suspicion that the six children who died are from our family. Reporter hashims daughter and wife somehow survived and are stable in hospital. While they recovered, families of people his gang murdered in nearby bat cloe was were unable to attend services on sunday. There are government warnings of more attacks like this where last week a hashim follower is filmed on cctv idling outside the church waiting for the end of sunday school. Heads down the alley, sets off his bomb. The blast is felt by worshippers and then they are struck with incredulous terror. He killed 26 people, 14 of them children. This family lost sheron, 12, and sara, 10. He loved art. She was sporty and mischievous. Their sister is now an only child. How do you feel about the payment wpeople who did this to you . Translator because we are christians we arent expected to retaliate. We didnt expect this to happen, but still we cant do anything. Do you agree . Translator yes, the lord has taught us about love. We cannot do anything but they will reap what they sow. Reporter taerror has been sown here, but and cnns nikhil kumar joins me now from colombo, sri lanka with more. So, nikhil, what is the latest . On the hunt for more suspects as the country remains on high alert fearing more attacks there. Reporter thats right, rosemary. The country is on high alert and there is this ongoing search for more suspects, people who might be plotting more attacks. Dozens of people were arrested over the weekend following that shootout in eastern sri lanka that sam referred to in his report. And, you know, the hall thole te security serves uncovered as they raided those places, 150 sticks of explosives, ball bearings, isis flag, other paraphernalia, all of that pointed to the sophistication of this terror cell. We know from sri sri lankan mps who told cnn their security details had received warnings of further attacks in the works. So this is very much a tense and a fluid situation that is still unfolding as the authorities here dry to get ahead of this group and other perpetrators who might be out there. Coming in concern in the aftermath of the Easter Sunday attacks when we learned that the authorities received advance warning. We know they heard at least thrice from indian intelligence that attacks could be in the works. For some reason, they didnt take any action on that intelligence, so now theyre working as hard as possible to get ahead of this group to make sure no further attacks take place. Yesterday was sunday, one week after the attacks. As sam mentioned, people couldnt go back into churches from the Catholic Community here for their services. The archbishop of colombo had a private service at his home attended by the president , the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition in a show of unity that was broadcast live on television here so worshippers could join in from the safety of their houses. All of it underlining just how tense and how fluid the situation here still is more than one week on from those devastating attacks. Rosemary . And nikhil, whats been the reaction there to this burqa ban and whats behind that . Reporter so, the president s office, rosemary, announced this last night, sunday night local time. Comes into effect today on monday. The reaction so far, the main body of islamic clerics in this country, theyve supported it. They say that were supporting this to aid the Security Services to identify the perpetrators behind those Easter Sunday attacks, their associates, who may still be out there. So the message very much from all quarters is that we support this as the Security Services go into small towns around this country, go into village to try and find other people who may be plotting further attacks. The emphasis here very much is to make sure that nothing untoward happens now because, you know, for people here, they spend a decade now coming out of the shadow of a devastating civil war, which ended in 2009. Theyve spent a decade rebuilding. Theyve spent a decade embarking on a process of reconciliation and the last thing that anybody wants here, weve been speaking to people over the past week from the Muslim Community, the christian community, buddhist, hindus. Everyone has said the same thing to us, the one thing they do not want to see compromised now is that process of reconciliation. So the community is trying as hard as possible to hold together, and so far everyone is supporting this and other measures, even as these measures, you know, there is a palpable climate of fear here. Even as people try to come to terms with that awful death toll, they are quite fearful when they go out. Nonetheless they say, look, first and foremost, this threat needs to be dealt with. Rosemary . The Sri Lankan Government dropped the ball on this. The pressure is on to ensure that there are no more attacks across the country. Well keep an eye on that. Nikhil, we shall talk again next hour. Many thanks to you. For more, im joined now from portland, oregon by randy, the chairman of the coalition against hate crime and a sociologist. Thank you so much for being with us. Glad to be here. So we are witnessing an increasing number of hate crimes like this targeting places of worship. The churches in sri lanka. The synagogues in california and pennsylvania. The mosques in new zealand and many more other examples. What is behind these violent and hatefilled crimes and why are we seeing more of them, do you think . Yeah, i mean, its time to really start putting this in a global perspective. Were not really seeing something that is just happening in the United States or any particular country, were seeing a global trend towards nationalism. That there is a rejection of globalization and the complexity of the Global Market for these kind of nationalist movements, whether its brexit in england or hindu nationalism in india that people are pulling up the drawbridges and wrapping themselves in the flags and engaging in their violence targeted at each other. People were perceived to be either the causes of the national changes or the conspirators behind globalization. The targeting of muslim immigrants, jews believed to be part of a global conspiracy, the media has been a target. These pseudo fascist nationalist movements. Why do you think thats happening, though . Do you think leaders are helping to fuel that way of thinking . Yeah, i mean, this has been the big issue, that the leaders arent necessarily the cause of it. Theyre kind of a manifestation of this nationalistic trend, but theyre adding fuel to this fire that will ultimately leave the world in ashes. There is this real hyping of this nationalist rhetoric whether or not they intend to, theyre fueling a lot of these people who are kind of in the margins and not able to comprehend the complexity of the world at the moment. And they find solace on the internet, in the underground, in the notion of armed revolution and solving problems through these sort of hypermasculine violent means. So im afraid to say that were looking at a lot more of these types of attacks until we get a handle on how to help these people manage the complexity of the modern world. We did, though, all witness the Prime Minister of new zealand, adjust Jacinda Arden r out to the Muslim Community in a way few other leaders have ever done, and weve also seen some religious leaders unite in the aftermath of attacks on synagogues, mosques and churches in the United States and elsewhere, it has to be said, but these are rare events, arent they . What will it take for other leaders across the globe to do the same . And what difference could that make if they do that . It could make a big difference. We have to have people less defensive. Weve been using the term fragility. We have a lot of fragile leaders who want to build walls as opposed to Opening Doors and kind of acknowledging some of the mistakes of the past. And so the road map we have from former members of extremist groups, whether theyre jihadists or White Supremacists who have come out of that movement have told us the way they came out is because the people they were taught to hate actually opened their hands and their hearts to them and kind of gave them permission not to hayes these people. So we know how to do it, we just have to have good leadership that can follow that path. That can be, you know, a little bit vulnerable in a time when everybody wants to kind of be in a defensive position. And i think thats the way out. Right. And its important to look at those ways out. How do you think these perpetrators of hate crimes like this explain and justify their own actions . Is it all about revenge and taking vengeance on those who have attacked their people . So we have this endless cycle. Yeah, i mean, its really the sort of simplistic way of looking at the world, this us versus them binary. They get pulled in because theyre finding their analysis online, theyre fining their analysis from extremists and theyre not really engaging in the world as we know it, the way that most people are. So there is this kind of petri dish of extremism that happens while these people withdraw from the world and find their community online, and then it magnifies it and then all of a sudden there is this justification for violence. And what they see as their global holy war that leads them to commit these acts of violence, and they believe that theyre justified in doing it. Hopefully we will see better leadership across the globe on this particular issue to help people realize this isnt the path we want to go down. Randy, thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Pleasure. Well, the people of spain have voted, but with the countrys political divide deeper than ever, it will take a lot of work to form a functioning coalition. Well take a look at that when we come back. Stay with us. 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Pnc make today the day. Ahhhh were here. Path we want to go down. Well take a look at that when well, the white house battle against congressional oversight may intensify this week. U. S. Attorney general william barr is scheduled to appear before the House Judiciary Committee thursday to discuss the Mueller Report, but a source tells cnn barr objects to Committee Lawyers joining in the questioning, and hes threatening not to show up if that doesnt change. Barr is also opposed to a closed session with Committee Members to discuss the full report. The House Judiciary Committee chairman said if barr refuses to testify, the committee will subpoena him. Natasha lindstat joins us now from colechester, england. Shes a professor of government at the university of essex. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for having me. Attorney general bill barr threatening not to appear before the House Judiciary Committee because of objections he has to the format. Why do you think barr is so worried about being questioned by Committee Lawyers . Well, i think hes worried about being questioned by Committee Lawyers that may have much more expertise in this particular subject than Even Congress members who themselves often are lawyers and some of them are former federal prosecutors. But the level of expertise may lead to a line of questioning that from the republicans perspective will get into nitpicking, Fact Checking and that may not make him look particularly good. One of the Big Questions is about obstruction of justice. And why he seemed to present the findings of the Mueller Report in such a different way in his press conference and in his fourpage summary than the actual report revealed. So theyre going to want to get to the bottom of this. He has if there are experts sort of asking him this in a way that sort of puts him into a corner, he might not be so happy with that. There is another view why having expert lawyers to question him might be a good thing. Typically when politicians are questioning people in these hearings, theres a lot of political grandstanding. Its a lot of it is for show, and it sometimes gets off track from the real purpose. So though its unusual to have their counsels question someone, its not unprecedented. Right. And it may enable us to get to the facts a little better. So what are the optics of a u. S. Attorney general refusing to appear before a committee because he doesnt want to answer questions about the Mueller Report . Well, i think it just illustrates how polarized u. S. Politics is at this time. Someone was describing it almost as a war zone. There are two sides. Theyre very clearly stuck in their interpretations of the Mueller Report. They seem to have vastly different interpretations of the Mueller Report. And it just looks that the, you know, the democrats in the house who are pursuing barr and the republicans are on completely different pages. Hes threatening he might not show up. I do think they are going to be able to come to some sort of deal and he

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