projecting a death toll of 240,00 to by the first week of november. yet, president trump is set to hold a crowded rally this hour. the fatale pandemic absent from his messaging three weeks from election day. he and his advisers continue to embrace herd immunity which would require 60 pe% of america to contract the virus. now dr. anthony fauci is sounding the alarm. >> there will be so many people in the community that you can't shelter, that you can't protect who are going to get sick and get serious consequences. so this idea that we have the power to protect the vulnerable is total noninnocensense. you will wind up with more infections of vulnerable people which will lead to hospitalizations and deaths. i think we just got to look at that square in the eye and say it's nonsense. >> it is not a public health strategy, despite the white house selling it at house. that includes the world health organization. one of the organization's chief scientists said this in part. quote, there will be a lot of guidance coming out that i think an average person, a healthy young person might have to wait until 2022 to get a vaccine. the coronavirus numbers that we are seeing reveal the fall wave of this pandemic is officially upon us. i want to bring in our cnn senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. i think we all expected first wave, second wave, but it feels like we never got out of the second wave, that it is two waves with barely a trough between them. what does that mean for the months ahead. i think that's a perfect way to put it. you can think of it as sort of surge after surge. what it means for the coming months is really not good. there was a lot of hope over the summer. let's try to get these numbers down so that we go into the winter with the lowest possible case load, but that's not what's happened. if you take a look at cases across the united states, most states are seeing an uptick. there is a 16% increase in cases nationwide from the previous week with more than 50,000 cases, new cases every day. and the reason why we want it to be in a good position for winter, which we're not, but the reason why is really two reasons. one, once it starts getting cold, you can't have those nice socially distanced picnics or barbecues. it's too cold to be outside, so people are going to head inside. they will be in closer contact with one another. another, the flu season is upon us. it is going to start sort of november, december, january. those numbers, you know, could get high. and then you're overloading hospitals, not just with covid cases but also flu cases. brianna? >> yeah. we have many challenges ahead her. elizabeth, thank you so much. instead of watching the originally scheduled presidential debate, tonight there will be dueling town halls with the president and joe biden. here is how we get to this point. the president refused to do a virtual debate after he was infected with coronavirus, so that debate was canceled. biden scheduled a town hall with abc and nbc decided to hold one with the president at the exact same time. so in short the president forfeits the game and instead of it counts as a loss, he is given another game to play but without an opponent. when the commission offered a virtual debate following the president's positive coronavirus diagnosis, he bailed. >> i'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. that's not what debating is all about. you sit behind a computer and do a debate. that's ridiculous. >> he wasn't like interviewing remotely, unless of course it is with his pals. he appears on fox, which is exactly what he'd do during a virtual debate. but this is hardly the only excuse he has peddled over the years in regards to debates. >> i heard that the commission a little while ago changed the debate style, and that's not acceptable to us. i beat him easily in the first debate. they want to change the rules. that's what they want to do and allow the moderator to cutoff the microphone. >> the format and rules have pretty much remained the same for the last 30 plus years, through eight elections. the only reason they're contemplating a change now is because of the president's behavior, interrupting his opponent at a feverish and unproductive pace. but of course it is not just the format. >> this is a commission that's a very left leaning commission. i frankly wouldn't have even used it, and i could have done that except it's been used for years. but this is a clinton/obama type commission. >> no. the commission is, and has long been, made up of both republicans and democrats. and the commission's current chairman was chairman of the rnc for six years. but even then the blame always seems to turn to the moderator. >> you have called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. >> i don't have a lot of respect for megyn kelly. she's a lightweight. she gets out and starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> i'd like to know, anderson, why aren't you bringing up the e-mails. it's nice to one on three. first of all, i guess i'm debating you, not him. but that's okay. i'm not surprised. >> chris was terrible. he was protecting biden the whole night. >> two of those moderators were actually from his favorite channel. but the excuses can also be much swallower. >> last time i had a big problem. they oscillated my mics. on the first debate they oscillated the mic and they oscillated it very, very seriously. >> he baselessly insists audio issues were because of sabotage. there is even a pattern of the president baselessly accusing his opponents of juicing before debates. >> we should take a drug test prior. because i don't know what's going on with her, but at the beginning of her last debate, she was all pumped up at the beginning and at the end it was like, oh, take me down. she could barely reach her card. >> well, he's on some kind of an enhancement in my opinion. we don't want to have a situation where a guy is taking some kind of a -- >> it's like athletes. >> no, no. i want to take one. i'll take one. he'll take one. we should both take a drug test. >> of course that is not fact-based, and it's absurd. but it's also par for his course. before his first debate, president trump and his favorite channel even pushed the old ear piece myth. >> the trump team asked to inspect the ears of each debater or electronic devices or transmitters. >> going back and forth over things like ear pieces. >> on the ear piece, what's the truth? does the trump campaign standby the fact that you believe that the biden campaign refused an ear check? >> that is correct. >> the president wants everyone to look in the ears to see if there is a device in there. joe biden says no way. >> bathroom breaks, transmitters and drugs. >> it is a cynical, cynical strategy. the president and his allies push and push conspiracy theories and misinformation. they repeat them ad nauseam so that millions of viewers just end up adopting it as fact. >> now, he's already saying that he can't do the debates because of covid. do you believe it? >> imagine biden spending six hours on stage with donald trump? he can't do that, so he's not going to do that. >> trump needs to have an alternative if joe backs out. i put it at 90% he's not going to debate. >> normally an incumbent challenging pushing for as many debates as possible. not joe biden and not his supporters. they want him to stay hiding, and that's for good reason. >> we're going to debate trump. actually, trump cheats. i don't think that's going to happen. >> but what's funny about the president and his enabling prop began diss at fox, when it's time to pay up, when they are proven to be wrong, there is no accountability, there is no apology. they just drop it like their absurd predictions never even happened. and then they move on to the next bogus b.s. they cycle on repeat. the irony here, though, it is not biden who refused to show up to a debate. it is trump. with me now is karl bernstein, our cnn political analyst, journalist and author. karl, nbc says that if they move the event to a different time slot, they would be violating their agreement to give both candidates the same platform. i know you see it differently, so explain to us how you see it. >> well, first of all, it's nonsense. the idea of the debates and the town halls going back to john kennedy, richard nixon, first presidential debates is to give the people of the america, the voters, the largest possible audience to see these two candidates and what they have to say and to serve the democratic electoral process. and what nbc has done here is indefensible. it could easily show this debate and schedule it for later in the evening. it could re-run it later in the evening. it could tape it, delay it, but what they have chosen to do, nbc, is to be conned by donald trump, and that is what has really raised the most serious journalistic questions and the reason that so many people who work at nbc and msnbc are so set by what nbc has done here, capitulating to donald trump's demands that will allow him to cut into joe biden's audience, essentially, because msnbc, cnbc, these cable channels, abc which is broadcasting biden, has no similar cable channels. so obviously trump will get the larger audience. but the real thing is that nbc has capitulated to an absolutely unacceptable demand that serves the interest of one of the two candidates. there is absolutely no defense for this. >> does this stack the deck in favor of president trump in your view, or would you not go that far to say that? >> no, it stacks the deck against the american people by not giving all of us the opportunity to watch both debates at separate times. that's the problem with it. we can -- sure, we can watch reruns of it and all the rest, but there is no reason whatsoever going back to the purpose that these debates were founded on and the town halls that this can't be accommodated in a fair way. no, i would think, in fact, that because nbc is so under the gun now that suse savannah guthrie, would hope and expect she's going to be tougher with donald trump because nbc is under a microscope now. >> karl, let me ask you about that. because savannah guthrie is a good interviewer. >> that's what i said. >> yeah. like you said, she is a sharp lawyer. so, you know, in that way, you know, she's very -- she's talented in that way with asking questions and following up. do you expect that actually, you know, the president, this isn't going to be a cake walk for him and he could get some very tough questions. >> of course i expect that. but we got to go back to a basic question here is. nbc news, one of the premier networks has aggregated the public trust and for reasons that are absolutely inexplicable except commercial ones has allowed this presentation to go forward on this schedule which serves the interests of one of the two candidates instead of the interest of the people of the united states. i was the abc bureau chief in washington in 1980 and '81. and at the time, myself and the two other bureau chiefs from cbs and nbc established a rule that we would not take on our air events from the president of the united states, carter and then reagan that had a political -- a sly political tinge. and the idea was that we would not be manipulated by the president into giving air time on the president's demands instead of journalistic principles. and that precedent that we established back in 1980 with nbc news has now been aggregated by nbc news in such a way that they're going to be hurt by this. it's a shame, and they ought to take some actions over there and say, look, we're going to reschedule this thing even at this late hour. if donald trump walks and doesn't want to come on the air at a later time, then the hell with it. but there is no journalistic reason whatsoever to undermine the interest of the people of the united states by favoring one candidate, which is what's happening here. this is really to enable donald trump to crow, oh, i got the better ratings and all the rest. this isn't about a rating contest. that's not what these debates and town halls are all about. nbc ought to be reconsidering their decision, even at this late hour because they have been conned and manipulated. let me adherd here all of us in journalism have been conned at one time or another by donald trump, but we've gotten smarter and we've gotten better at ate. and one other suggestion for both nbc, abc, cnn, all of us, i think going forward in terms of fact checking, maybe we need, and especially tonight, some kind of simultaneous fact checking, whether it's a crawl at the bottom of a careen when one of the candidates presents outrageous lies and falsehoods, we need to be calling it as quickly as we can in real-time. we're going to make up some new rules that serve the best attainable version of the truth instead of the interests of the candidates. and donald trump has run rough shod over the truth as we all know. that's his basic m.o., basic methodology. and in the interest of journalistic principal, we need to alter the way we're covering these debates and town halls in the next couple weeks and all the appearances we put on the air of both presidential candidates. >> karl bernstein, thank you so much. it is always good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> a bar owner who hosted a donald trump jr. event is now suffering from a severe case of covid and he says he wants to punch president trump over his response to it. he's going to line me live next. plus, former president obama emerges and responds to president trump accusing him of treason. and a super spreading event and now dozens of men are refusing to cooperate, telling officials they, quote, work for satan. look, this isn't my first rodeo and let me tell you something, i wouldn't be here if i thought 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and stable that way for eight hours before they released me. i just wanted to get the heck out of the hospital. you got to fight this thing. you just can't lay there. one of your posts, chris cuomo had the best remedy that i followed, fight. lay on your stomach. you've got to fight this. this thing wants you to be lazy. it wants -- it gives you fatigue. that's the oxygen level. you got to fight. and i'm fighting. yesterday i had a bad day. i couldn't catch my breath, and that's one of the reasons why i'm going to the doctor today, but i feel better today. it comes and it goes. this virus, it is smart. it attacks weakness. and we all got to take this thing very seriously. that's why i'm putting this out there. i want -- it's an ugly virus. i have an ugly face. i want this -- the american public, this is real. this is not a hoax. >> and, mark, you, i know, have or had, i should say, three rules at your bar. you don't talk about politics. don't talk about religion. don't talk about someone's wife. but it seems like maybe it's time to add a fourth rule, which is that rules are meant to be broken because here you are talking about politics. what is your message to the president as you have a message as well to the american people. what do you want the president to know? >> well, whatever i say to the president, it's going to go in one ear and out the other. he doesn't want to hear from me. i'm doing this for the american people. this is what it's all about. he's a narcissist. donald trump is all about himself. he's not about for us. he's about donald trump. so let's just move passed that. let's concentrate on this virus. we got to listen to dr. fauci. we got to listen to dr. birx, science. science is what's going to get us out of this. we don't have a plan. we haven't had a plan from day one. basically, all 50 states were on their own, and that's wrong. we've got to step up as a team. we're the united states of america, not the divided states of america. and we got 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something in fact happened, he comes up with conspiracy theories. and now is basically portraying the raid as having gone after somebody who was other than osama bin laden, which is absolutely incredibly ridiculous. so ask the seals, ask me. ask bill mccraven, admiral mccraven who headed up that mission, ask president obama and all of us know that that mission went after osama bin laden, got osama bin laden and sent a clear message to the world that nobody attacks the united states of america and gets away with it. that's the fact. that's the truth. and that's what we all know to be the case. >> yeah. i mean, i suspect you never thought you would have to answer a question like this. it's just so absurd. you know that, right? it's like it's not funny, but it's just absurd. that's the quality of it. president trump has said that he doesn't know much about qanon other than they like him. in georgia and other states, there are republican congressional candidates who openly tout their ties to qanon. do you think that the republican party is becoming a conspiracy theory party? >> well, you know, i -- i sure as hell hope not. but at the same time, the more i see these kind of crazy conspiracy theories going around, the more there are groups like qanon and other conspiracy type groups that breed on these falsehoods about america, about who we are, it's part of the frightening path that we have seen politics take over these last few years, and it's part of the reason that we're polarized and divided, because there are these phony presentations that try to play to people's anger and fears and hatreds. and, you know, i would think that responsible people, both in the republican and democratic party, would be willing to stand up and denounce these conspiracy theories for what they are, baloney and try to embrace, frankly, the beliefs that we all hold dear about what this country is really about, what we believe in to be fact and truth, and the fact that we embrace an america that doesn't have to rely on lies in order to know that we're the greatest country on earth. >> you know we are less than three weeks from election day. there are millions of americans who have already cast their ballots in early voting, and president trump is continuing to cast doubt on the results and whether he will accept them. let's listen to what he said. >> they spied on my campaign and they got caught. they tried to overthrow the president of the united states, and they got caught. and then they stand up, so innocent, and they say, will you do a fair transition? well, they didn't do a fair transition. they spied on my campaign long before i won because they thought i was going to win. >> you're implying that if you don't think it's fair, you won't leave the white house, which means you won't concede. >> i'm not saying anything. >> do you think that this is bluster on his part, or do you think this thing he's teasing could actually play out in some way? >> i think he's doing 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>> reporter: here in france curfews announced by the french president yesterday to try to bring france's spiraling covid-19 figures back under control. eight french cities will from saturday have curfews from 9:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. those will be policed by some 12,000 policemen and women. also on saturday france enters a state of sanitary emergency. that really gives local authorities power to enforce more restrictions should they prove necessary. >> reporter: i'm ben in rome where were the second day in a row authorities are reporting record increases in the number of new coronavirus cases. numbers far higher than italy saw at the height of its lockdown earlier this year. most worrying is the situation in southern italy where naples is located. this is an area that has seen dramatic increases in the number of cases. an area that's poorer, has fewer resources to deal with covid-19 and is also an area with the country's highest population densities. >> thank you so much to my colleagues 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nick derusa, tell us what happened here. >> well, actually -- thank you for having me today. as we have moved through the pandemic here, we've encountered more and more resistance with our case investigators and contact tracers. so it's becoming more common when our folks reach out to let us know they've been exposed, to have folks who sometimes aren't honest or maybe don't provide all the details we need to ensure we are able to investigate cases or foul up on contacts. in the men's retreat was one example of that. we had someone who attended the retreat, later tested positive, so we reached out to the organizers, and we did not get the cooperation we needed in order to reach out successfully. one thing i do want to point out is that the person i called wasn't the person involved in the men's retreat. it was another case. >> okay. it was another case, but it was the resistance you have seen consistently. but do you get a sense of why people are resistant? do they just not want to believe they are exposed? are they embarrassed? do you get a sense of why? >> i think there's a host of reasons. i think some folks, like you have stated, they don't want to believe this is a serious illness. they don't want to cooperate with our investigators for that reason. in addition to that, we have folks who need to work. if they have to isolate, it's hard for them to do that. i think being embarrassed is also a part of that. they don't want us reaching out to say this person was positive or someone they were around was positive. so it's really difficult for us in public health to be able to contain the virus if we aren't getting accurate information when we're doing our investigations and contact tracing. >> nick, you're doing very good work, and so is your team. >> thank you very much, brianna. coronavirus hits the campaign staff of kamala harris. who tested positive and what it means for upcoming events, with 19 days until the election. an aide having tested positive there. 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[doorbell chimes] thank you. [puck scores] oooow yeah!! i wasn't ready! you want cheese to go with that whine?? we begin with a dire prediction by the cdc. this is an average of 1,000 american lives lost each day. with more than 51,000 cases broadband reported daily nationwide, 35 states reporting an up tick in infections, there is no plan to stop this in place from this administration. instead, president trump is holding huge super spreader events while pushing the widely disputed theory of herd immunity. currently only an estimated 10% of americans have antibodies. it's a strategy that leading public health organizations are condemning, including dr. anthony fauci. there would be so many people in the community who you can't shelter, who you can't problem and will have serious consequences. this idea that we have the power to protect the