taylor. [ chanting: release the transcript ] y'all, i don't know if david cameron can hear us. let's say it from the heart so not only daniel cameron can hear us, but breonna taylor can hear us from heaven. we want david cameron, the kentucky attorney general to do on three. one, two, three! [ chanting: release the transcripts ] at this time, before i go, one of the greatest lawyers, one of the greatest secrets in louisville, kentucky, my cocounsel, my sister, my co-warrior, juanita baker, i would be remiss if i didn't tell you, tameka who are in the fraternity that you're in for people all over america, a fraternity that no parent wants to be in, but far too many black mothers and fathers are part of have sent their pledge of support to stand with you. all of them couldn't come like mr. jacob blake senior, but all of them sent their support. when the announcement came out for florida, the brothers and sisters for george floyd was killed in minneapolis, minnesota, were the first ones to pledge their support and then right after that, we got a call from sybrina fulton, trayvon martin's mother. and right after that, we got a text from michael brown's mother, leslie mcfadden. and right that have, we got a call from botham jean's mother who was kill in his apartment in dallas, texas, and we got a call from his mother and his sister. we got a call from house of representatives lucy mcbeth, who father jordan davis, her son, was killed for playing loud mus music. we got a call from tiffany crutcher, the twin sister of terence crutcher. that was hands up, don't shoot, on video. we got a call from eric gardner's mother. we got a call from that menarr s mother. we got a call from minneapolis, minnesota, from philando castile's mother. we got a call from stephon clark's brother, se ftstefante grandmother who was killed in california. and we got notified that sandra bland's mother is pledging their support to be with you. we got notified that ezell ford, a brother who was having a mental health crisis in los angeles, california, is pledging his support. dejohn kenzie, who was shot 15 times two weeks ago in the back by the los angeles account sheriff's department. i left los angeles coming here. his aunt who raised him literally weeped for you, even though she had just lost her nephew, who she raised as her own son. joseph richardson's mother, baton rouge, louisiana. i mean, the list goes on and on and on. so we are here declaring in breonna taylor's taname, enoughs enough, america! [ chanting: enough is enough, america ] >> please join me in welcoming in a great champion for justice, my co-counsel from the law firm of sam agular, who's also present with us here and deserves acknowledgement, a great, great lawyer. we give you attorney la nita baker. >> i know attorney crump has demanded that we release the transcript, and i echo that demand. and we don't want to hear that you can't release the transcript, because you released the recording of kenny walker's -- >> tell it! >> -- grand jury proceedings. so you can release the recordings. and we demand that you release the recordings. but not only do we want the recordings and the transcript, what we also want is for to quit dodging the questions, daniel cameron. you were asked at the press conference, did you make a recommendation? you refused to answer. answer the question! and i've asked you several times, did you even present any charges regarding breonna taylor to the grand jury? i don't want to hear that the grand jury determined this, if it's your office that unilaterally determined not to charge any officers with the death of breonna taylor. you can't pawn this off on the grand jury, if your office made that decision, and we, the voters, deserve the right to know who is it that we need to say got it wrong. >> tell it. >> did the grand jury get it wrong in using the defense of justification, or did your office get it wrong? >> because what we know in kentucky, and what many of you may not know is i practiced criminal law for 13 years in kentucky. i did it as a prosecutor and a defense attorney, so i know the law of self-defense in kentucky. and i know that you don't have the right to use the defense of self-defense when you injure or kill an innocent third party. and what we know from sergeant mattingly's own testimony to the public integrity unit is that he saw that breonna taylor was unarmed. >> his own testimony, he saw breonna taylor, he saw that breonna taylor was unarmed. and you put a lot of attention on the bullet, the fatal -- the fatal shot to breonna taylor being made. if he wasn't able to see breonna taylor, to also see that she was unarmed, then he also was firing just as recklessly as brett hankison, and he deserves to be here charged with murder of breonna taylor. if he didn't see her, he didn't have target acquisition and he deserves to be charged right now. >> school 'em! >> tell us how you feel. >> so don't tell us that the grand jury made this determination if it was truly your determination. answer that question head-on. was it your office's decision or was it the grand jury's decision? release the transcript. >> release the transcript. >> and i know we have a lot going on, and i'm angry because, as i've said, i've worked in this system. i've worked as a prosecutor who fought so hard to make sure i was administering justice regardless of who the victim was, regardless of who the perpetrator was. and that's the only way that the system is going to work, to have prosecut prosecutors, daniel cameron, that work for us. and daniel cameron, i do. i took offense to you not being fully up-front with tameka palmer when we met with you. i take true offense to that. and you have to know your legal obligations as a prosecutor is to inform the family, to talk to the family, to keep them informed on what's going on. you failed to do that and you failed to be fully honest whith her when we met with you, when the grand jury report was being relayed to the public. so you told us we would know in advance. we learned at the same time that america learned, that's unacceptable. and we have a right to be angry. but i want to talk to those of us who have been on the ground. we can't let the anger consume us, because we've still got work to do. >> tell it! >> and we can't fully think when we're consumed by anger. so i've been praying, i've been praying this morning to not let the anger that's been inside me consume me and come out today, because i know we have work to do. i'm dressed down today, because i'm staying down here, because i want lmpd majors to say we're the ones out here washing cars or checking you out at walmart, no, we're not! we're lawyers! we're businesspeople! we're city employees, just like you! and guess what?! even if i was washing your car, it doesn't matter. i have a right to use my voice. two years ago, i was checking people in and out of a hotel while also practicing as a lawyer. guess what, when i was there, i was the same person that i am practicing law. so lmpd, you have to change your mentality of who you're fighting. you're not going to have this city of louisville believe that atika scott should burning down a library! stop the lies! we can't move forward with the lies! we can't move forward with the lies. we know that we need healing, we know that this city needs healing. we're willing to do our part, but you have to do your part. and until you start doing your part, we won't heal. >> that's right. >> we're here. we're here when you're ready to listen to us, to come down. and i challenge those of you who are off today. you donate have to come down and protest, but i challenge you to come down here and listen to the people who are protesting, those of you who are elect eed office, come down here during the day and listen to the protesters. we support you, support us by coming down here, showing them that we are not -- we are not just car washers checking people out. there are so many more people down here. and quit skewing -- media, quit skewing the way that people are protesting. you know the majority of the people down here are nonviolent. you've been down here for 120 days. you know it! quit making it seem like they're violent. they're not! yes, shout out to the 502 live stream, because that is how we're learning the truth. that is how we're learning the truth. regular media, take a cue. film it all, don't slant it. tell the truth! lmpd, tell the whole truth. everybody, tell the whole truth, including you, daniel cameron! did you make the decision or did grand jury make the decision? >> that's why i call her my co-warrior. not co-counsel, co-worry! lanita baker! let me repeat that. maybe they didn't hear me. that's why i call her my co-warrior, not co-counsel, co-warrior! and attorney agular, the secret's out of the bag, now. the secret is out of the bag what a great, well-kept secret kentucky has in attorney general lanita baker. and i'll tell you, it's a wake-up call to these elected officials, because she represents the most talented, most articulate, most intellectual representative of this city that we have to offer. and so if you don't do your job, it's going to be people like tameka -- i'm sorry, like lanita baker or others who are going to take your seat. >> you're going to lose your job! before we bring this next champion of justice up, we want to have a statement from the family., sam and for 191 days, people all across america. people elected in washington, like senator kamala harris, people in the national basketball association, and the women's national basketball association, nfl players, celebrities who are -- we all call to the protest. y'all remember they came to the capitol like jada pinkett smith and common and so many others, rhapsody, but so many others. but more importantly, just regular people, regular folk. black, white, hispanic, native, all over the world have been saying, say her name! and how insulting was it on the indictment that kentucky attorney general daniel cameron didn't mention her name one time?! so tameka palmer, before we bring your sister up to speak, i want y'all to do me a favor. since he didn't say it in the indictment, say her name! breonna taylor! say her name! breonna taylor! say her name! breonna taylor! say her name! breonna taylor! say her name! breonna taylor say her name breonna taylor! say her name! breonna taylor! >> you know, next, we will hear from the sister of tameka palmer, the aunt of breonna taylor, bianca austin, who i will tell you, before we were fighting for breonna taylor, she was like the lawyer front line, leading the protest, so it is aptly appropriate for bianca to come and make a statement on behalf of the family. so i will ask for the charity of your undivided attention while she read a message from the family and especially from the heart of breonna's mother, tameka palmer. please, miss austin? >> thank you, thank you. oh, well, i'm standing here today. i'm going to represent my niece in her emt jacket. i chose this just to have her be a part of us today. also, i just want a shout-out to our family. it's been a long six months and it's been a wild roller coaster. not only have we been out here fighting for justice for breonna, but we are continuing to lose our family members to cancer, to covid, to being murdered. and so my message to you is just cry your tears, lift your head up, and keep stepping. >> that's right. >> i hear you, bianca. >> and mostly, you know, this has been emotionally, mentally, and physically draining for my sister, so i'm going to do the honor and read her thoughts after daniel cameron's decision. and i quote. i never had faith in daniel cameron to begin with. i knew he was too inexperienced to deal with a job of this caliber. i knew he had already chosen to be on the wrong side of the law. the moment he wanted the grand jury to make the decision, what i had hoped is i knew he had the power to do the right thing. that he had the power to start the healing of this city. that he had the power to help men over 400 years of oppression. what he helped me realize is that it will always be us against them, that we are never safe when it comes to them. mattingly in an email called us animals and thugs. it's clear that that is the way that they will always see us. i was reassured wednesday of why i have no faith in the legal system, in the police, in the law that are not made to protect us black and brown people. but when i speak on it, i'm considered an angry black woman. but know this. i am an angry black woman. i am not angry for the reasons that you would like me to be. but angry because our black women keep dying at the hands of police officers and black men. okay, angry because our children are dying at the hands of police officers. and i'm angry because this nation is learning that our black women dying at the hands of police officers and this is not okay. you can take the dog out of the fight, but you can't take the fight out of the dog. >> say it again! >> for lack of better terms, bark, bark for being the dog still standing to fight. >> i knew cameron would never do his job, but what i do know is that him and countless others will go to bed sleeping with breonna's face, still hearing her, say her name. cameron alone didn't feel hail but it ended with the lack of investigation that failed her. the judge who signed the search warrant failed her. the terrorist who broke down her door failed her. the system as a whole has failed her. you didn't just rob me and my family, you robbed the world of a queen. a queen willing to do a job that most of us could never stomach to do. a queen willing to build up anyone around her. a queen who was starting to pay for her past. i hope you never have to know the pain of knowing your child is in need and help and you're not able to give them. i hope you never hear the sounds of seeing or hearing someone cry and beg for your child to get help and she never receives help. those cries was ignored. i hope you never know the pain of your child being murdered 191 days in a row. tameka palmer. i am so sorry. so sorry you've got to go through this. it's unacceptable. but your family got your back. we're not going nowhere. until freedom has your back, lanita has your back, ben has your back the daddy has your back. and guess what, this park, these people out here stomping on these grounds has your back. >> that's right! fresh out. >> god has your back. >> thank you, thank you bianca. and thank you for reading -- thank you for reading the words from a mother's heart, a heart that is broken. thank you, bianca. that was heartfelt. every mother around the world can feel tameka's pain. we just take a moment for a second to flekt on what we just heard just know we love you, tameka palmer. we're standing with you. >> i got snot on you. >> it's okay. you can get me as wet as you want. what a wonderful soul. at this time, i really mean it, because when lanita and sam call me, you know, black women are often disrespected. and people were not trying to do stories on breonna taylor, this black woman who was killed by the police. and a lot of people did not return my calls, as we were begging to give attention to breonna taylor. but i got to tell you a lot of people did answer the call. and i won't go through the list, but one young woman who answered the call, i had known she was a champion for justice for our days fighting for trchl and so many other families that have been inflicted with this police terrorism, that claimed the lives of their loved ones. and not only did she answer the bail, she said, crump, we are not going to leave this until we get charges. and it was deep to me, lanita, and you remember, we did started going on her social media and doing the instagram live, just to try to bring awareness to breonna taylor's name. and i remember others allowing us to use their platform. and i don't want to take anything away from ricky smiley and char la may kncharlemagne a reverend al sharpton, but this young lady, almost every day went on social media and followed ja ninia's lead, becau every day she went on social media and said my sister, breonna taylor's life mattered, when nobody else was listening. but then this young lady got involved and had us on her social media every day and we strategized every day and then she said, you know what, krucru? me and my organization, until freedom, we're moving to louisville, kentucky, and we're going to stay every day! because if tameka palmer can't sleep in peace, neither can we! and we're going to come and be in solidarity together, demanding justice for breonna taylor and for, i think, now, over four months, y'all have been here, living here this whole time. and that's why i call it the queen of the movement for justice for breonna taylor, my sister, my warrior, my freedom fighter, tameka mallory! >> no justice -- >> no peace! >> no -- >> no peace! >> and if there antegonna be no justice, there ain't gonna be no peace. you know, i want to read something to you all that i learned of just the day after daniel cameron's decision. it says, it is a great honor to receive the endorsement of the bipartisan kentucky fraternal order of police. to the men and women in blue, i pledge to be your advocate and your voice every day. when i first got into this race, i did so to bring focus to the public safety challenge of our lifetime. the drug crisis. and there is so much work to be done to fight this epidemic. i am humbled to have this endorsement and as the chief law enforcement officer in kentucky, i will work every day to make our community safer and our families and citizens more secure. half of that statement -- >> i'm john king in washington. you've been watching an emotional, tearful, powerful statement by the mother of breonna taylor, family members, and legal members in louisville, kentucky, tameka palmer is breonna taylor's mother. breonna taylor gunned down in her apartment back march by louisville police officers. her sister read a very powerful statement. very powerful statement. and in all of the statements we heard in louisville in the past 30 minutes or so, a stark condemnation of the kentucky attorney general daniel cameron for the grand jury's decision to not charge any of the police officers involved directly, any charges related to the death of breonna taylor. one officer was charged with reckless endangerment, a wanton endangerment for randomly firing bullets during that raid. i want to bring in joey jackson to start this discussion. joey, a lot to talk about. part of it is just the power, the emotions of this family, which since march has been demanding justice, which since march has been hoping there would be justice. and now they feel violated. my word, not theirs, but disappointed in the kentucky attorney general. so you have the emotion and the power of breonna's mother's statement, read by her sister, which is remarkable. and you have the demands from the attorneys present, the civil rights activists present, the family members present for the attorney general to release the transcripts of the grand jury proceeding, pause they say they want to see exactly what he did, and more importantly, what he didn't do in presenting that case. >> yeah, john. it's a very significant thing. let's just back up just a minute. why is there this major concern? there's a concern with regard to accountability and transparency. we've often heard, john, that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. if that's true, what happened here? so what we have to know and understand briefly is the grand jury process. a grand jury is not there to determine proof of guilty yonl a reasonable doubt. a grand jury is not there to make a unanimous decision, a verdict. they're there, simply, very low standard, to desh whether there's reason to believe that a crime was committed and the sukts that are being investigated by the grand jury committed them. why is that significant? because that's a very low bar. what's the other piece? the other piece is that grand juries are generally run, right, widely run by prosecutors. whatever they get, they give out. what do i mean? the prosecutors present evidence to that grand jury. generally, prosecutors advise and guide a grand jury. generally, the information that the prosecutors provide leads to the indictment that the prosecutors want. and so i think what the family is asking is, what specific evidence and information did you give that grand jury to evaluate? did you cherry pick evidence? did you conceal evidence? what specifically did you coto allow them to vote on charges or did you not do your job? i think the release of this transcript will go a long way to satisfying the community that the attorney general presented everything, did not sugar coat things and ultimately saw justice for breonna taylor. that's the issue that the community is concerned about. >> and joey, stay with us. i want to get to the ground in louisville, where cnn correspondent brynn gingras has been there throughout the last few days. you just said this collision of emotion. there is anger, the family, the civil rights ki s activists, th community saying justice was not done here. you have the political anger at daniel chaameron and the tensio in the streets where people are urging people, come and protest or if you don't want to protest, come and listen to the protests. >> and piggybacking off of what joey said to well, the movement has been, hashtag, say her name. and they want to know, was her name mentioned by david cameron in those grand jury proceedings. they want to see her name in the transcripts. that's what they basically have been fighting for ever since daniel cameron went before the public, giving the result of those grand jury proceedings. and they just want continue saying her name and to continue having justice, saying this in news conference, this just confirms there are two different americas, two different criminal justice system. one for white people, one for black people and they mentioned how all of these people have showed up. we know that the father of jacob blake -- we know that jacob blake's father is here by tameka palmer's side and they've received text messages from the mothers of trayvon martin and michael brown, and it sort of reminds me of all the times i've covered mass shootings and gone to scenes and met families who have also experienced those tragedies there to support those families going through the current tragedy. it's this horrible family that's sort of formed out of these tragedies. and we're seeing that now. these families coming together and not accepting what has happened over the years and demanding change. and that's what we're seeing. all of these people screaming saying, we've got your back, we're going to continue fighting for it. we're going to continue marching, as they have for several monster here in louisville and there's a lot of anger and emotion, but a lot of resilience, as well. >> so joey, back to you, the collision of emotion and collision of the calendar, too, in the statement breonna taylor's family talking about racism against black women in particular. she said the attorney general of kentucky in her view had failed to mend 400 years of oppression. grand juries are traditionally done in secret, but there are exceptions to every rule. some of the testimony of breonna taylor's boyfriend was released in a related, but separate case to this. what is the process? are there ways to force to get the attorney general if he refuses to release thiz transcripts to make them public? >> without question. here's the issue, generally jury transcripts, we know, were kept and they're secretive for a variety of reasons, right? however, you want to ensure the integrity of that process. one of the best ways you can ensure the integrity of the process is to see whether there were any abnormalities. to see whether or not there were any issues that were presented or lack of issues that were presented to make the grand jury process defective. so, yes, you can have court proceedings where you can get these transcripts, to the extent that the attorney general won't release them to the public on his own or by consent. but in the event you did your job, john, the issue would be, what is the problem? release the transcript to the public. there is concern throughout 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election he loses must be rigged. this morning, this tweet spelling out his reasoning, complaints of fraud, quote, all over the place in massachusetts and trump votes, he says, thrown out in pennsylvania. well, the fbi director appointed by this president, the fbi director testifying thursday, his bureau takes all election threats seriously, but he says, there is no evidence of massive scale voter fraud. meaning, from the fbi director directly, zero evidence to support what the president says every day. the white house chief of staff today taking issue with the facts and with the fbi director. >> with all due respect to director wray, he has a hard time finding e-mails in his own fbi, let alone of figuring out whether there's any kind of voter fraud. perhaps he needs to get involved on the ground and he would change his testimony on capitol hill. >> let's get straight to the white house and john harwood. john, borrow a line from ronald reagan, here we go again. the president and his own team attacking their own people for telling the truth. >> exactly. the truth is not his friend on fbi -- on election fraud. that's what chris wray testified. that's what ben ginsburg, longtime republican leading election lawyer that we've known for many, many years has said. we have tried for decades to find voter fraud, because we were concerned about it. we have not found it. so justice -- the polls are not the president's friends. he's losing to joe biden in national surveys, in key battleground states. he's trying to discredit what's actually happening and mark meadows is his assistant in doing that, but it doesn't change the reality, the widespread voter fraud simply doesn't exist and they're putting the fog machine in overdrive, but it's not correct. >> as you know, there's a pattern of this throughout the trump presidency, when people on his team, appointed by him says things he doesn't like, he tends to turn on them with his anger and frustration, and there with his chief of staff saying things that simply aren't true. we have new reporting that the president is increasingly frustrated with the cdc director, dr. robert redfield, who of course before congress just last week, was holding up his mask and saying, this is incredibly powerful, too. the cdc has also had some mistakes and missteps on its website, but what's the source of the president's anger here? >> the source of the president's anger is that the cdc is a professional operation dedicated to bringing scientific reality to the american public. that's what robert redfield did when he talked about the importance of mask wearing. that's what fda commissioner steven hahn did while saying, we're going to have a proper scientific vetting process of vaccines. these things are inconvenient for the president because he wants to campaign as somebody who has succeeded against the coronavirus, even though we are at 40,000 cases a day, haelding into difficult months in the fall, roughly a thousand deaths per day. the truth is inconvenient for the president on the election, on election fraud, and on the status of the coronavirus. and i would say that, yes, the president is losing patience in the cdc. that feeling is mutual. the president sent a pr guy to interfere with the product of the caputo as the head of hhs, so in addition to the president questioning what they were doing internally, michael caputo saying, well, there's a deep state at the cdc. that's what the administration is all about these days, trying to obscure the truth. >> trying to obscure the truth, trying to obscure the numbers. and we get to the numbers a little bit later. the numbers tell us we are heading in the wrong direction right now. let's continue the conversation. margaret talev of axios joins us. margaret, i want to start with you. this is a pattern in the trump administration, but especially important now, because we are 39 days from an election. the president is trying to plant the seeds, if i lose, therefore, it's rigged, therefore, i will challenge it in the courts, and therefore i must get my new supreme court justice on there, so i have a 6-3 majority when all of that plays out. it's pretty plane and the president is pretty transparent about it. this is the fbi director telling congress yesterday. we are always looking. yes, sometimes we see small examples of fraud, but -- >> now, we have not stirng orkly kind of voter fraud in an election, whether by mail or otherwise. >> that's the guy who runs the fbi. the president of the united states, though, wants you to believe something else. listen. >> we have to be very careful with the ballots. the ballots, that's a whole big scam. we want to make sure that the election is honest and i'm not sure that it can be. >> it can be, if he would stop interfering in it. but this is headed to a path where, please tell my i am wrong. the president is planting the seeds to challenge the election, because if he loses, it must be rigged. >> john, i think that's right. and the question is, what else is going on here? is this just about a post-election strategy, or is some of this about a preelection strategy? a lot of democrats that i talked to are concerned that the president is kind of trying to play a game where he wins either way, because if you sew the seeds of a chaos theory now and we talk about it enough and there's the amplification of this idea that whether you vote or not, it's going to be challenged, it's not going to count, that it may just depress turnout on the democratic side, while republicans will be riled up about -- not all republicans, but the president's base, riled up about the supreme court excitement and all this other stuff and then turn out and vote. so there are two questions to look at here. but the first one is what happens between now and november 3rd. and that's why this is a little bit more of a complex strategy. i think when you see mcconnell, mitt romney, liz cheney, the kind of range of the republican establishment in the senate put a line in the sand and say, no, there's going to be a peaceful transfer of power, that's important. but there is a preelection strategy to this method, as well. >> and that's a very important point, alex, the preelection strategy. you have seen democrats, their convention every night, plan to vote, make a plan to vote. encouraging early voting, encouraging mail-in voting at the convention. now you do see a shift, more and more democrats say, you know what, if you can, go out and vote early in person. go out so you can be sure your ballot gets to its final destination, whether that's a question about the president's strategy or legal challenges or the postal service. joining that effort yesterday, i thought it was interesting, was bernie sanders. we have not heard a bernie sanders event in quite some time. he had an event and a planned speech in which he wanted to say, democrats, get out and vote, and he attacked the president. listen. >> that is not his choice. that's for the american people to determine. in the united states, the president does not determine who can or cannot vote and what ballots will be counted. that may be what his friend, putin, does in russia or what is done in other authoritarian countries, but it is not and will not be done in america. >> thought it was significant that senator sanders thought it was time for him to step up. he has a great follow out there. there's always a question will they be for the more centrist joe biden. senator sanders laying it down saying, get out there, vote, find a way. >> he sure is. and john, i think this is one of the opportunities that the democrats think that they have in the upcoming supreme court fight, that it is a battle that pushes to the center of the national conversation. not all of this stuff about president trump's daily conduct, that a lot of voters at this point, frankly, sort of tune out. but a whole suite of issues related to civil rights, women's rights, gay rights that really do matter to the younger voters who are more connected to a liberal agenda, writ large, than to joe biden, individually, as a candidate. and i do think, sort of, to margaret's point about the democratic angst that the president may be sort of playing furry-dimensio four-dimensional chess here, every election that we have seen the president participate in, either as a candidate himself or as a leader of the republican party, he has done this exact thing. try to attack legitimacy of the election beforehand. and if he loses, question the legitimacy afterwards. we've talked about this before, john, but he questioned the legitimacy of the 2016 vote, which he won. so i'm personal quite skeptical of the notion that this is some kind of secret sauce for him, in my experience, conversations over the last couple days the folks demoiralized about this i the republicans. >> he's right and everybody else is wrong. alex, margaret, grateful for the reporting. up next, 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