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Move from one Police Department to the next. Lets bring in cnn White House Correspondent Kaitlan Collins to join us here. Kaitlan, explain how the white house anticipates that these federal guidelines and these incentive programs are actually going to change local and state departments. Reporter well, theyre really going to be relying on those local departments to carry these measures out. And theyre also counting on congress to fund the new programs that the president was talking about, talking about having those coresponders, people Like Mental Health experts who are going to situations with Police Officers and deescalating it. A lot of this sen couragement for Police Officers to do this. The way theyre doing that basically saying you can get credentialed by the attorney general, by the Justice Department, by meeting certain standards when it comes to training, about uses of force. That reference the president made to banning choke holds. Basically they will not meet that certification by the Justice Department unless they only use choke holds in what he said is a life and death situation. Though there will be a lot of questions, brianna, about what is that standard for that . What does that mean . Its not an outright ban on choke holds. The other aspect is basically theyre incentivizing funding for Police Departments that do meet this standard but its really just encouragement for them to meet these standards. Its not saying youre not going to get funding. Its just saying this is how were going to put you in a line of priority when it does come to these grants that we seek from the federal government. What you also heard from the president was a fullthroated endorsement and praise of Law Enforcement as he was there. You noticed who was in the rose garden and who wasnt. He met with the families of police violence, who have lost loved ones privately beforehand. The president came out and made a commitment to them to pursue change. As he was in the rose garden, he surrounded himself with Law Enforcement officials, police union representatives, because sources have been telling us that he wanted to be very careful about how he was navigating this, brianna, and didnt want to alienate any police support. Thats very important to keep in mind when you look at what the president is saying, what this executive order is outlining and suggest Police Departments do, while leaving most of the heavy lifting to congress. Kaitlan, thank you so much for that report. Lets bring in civil rights attorney and legal analyst areva martin. Lets talk about what impact this will have here in a moment and what the president is messaging as his priorities here. What do you like about what you are seeing here and what do you still maybe have questions for . You feel like its not going far enough . I dont like any of it, brianna. I felt like it was a big smack in the face for the protesters that have been on the streets the last 18, 19 days calling for big and bold changes to ways that Police Departments in this country operate. The president didnt address the systemic racism issues at the core of these issues. He comes out, surrounded by Law Enforcement personnel, talks about his law and order agenda, without at all even applying lip service to the systemic problems that have, you know, a big, bright light is shining on. This is another bandaid on a hemorrhage. This is another carrot that trump is dangling in front of the American Public and, quite frankly, protesters are tired of t civil rights activists. Were all tired of this president and his approach to these issues, which is basically a nonapproach. I didnt find anything encourageing about what he did today. If anything, he made mockery, i think, of the whole process thats in place, where people are demanding reimagining our Public Safety and the way Police Police particularly africanamerican communities. He didnt speak to those issues at all. You heard him there say that theres, quote, that quote, choke holds will be banned except if an officers life is at risk. What did you make of not only could that be enforced from his standpoint as president , but what that would actually mean if local and state Law Enforcement entities use that as the standard . Its not a standard that can even be followed by anyone. We see in these cases all the time, brianna, Law Enforcement, police agents, officers defend their actions by saying they felt their life was in danger. All they have to do is repeat that refrain we hear repeated over and over again. And, according to these guidelines, they would be completely justified in their use of choke holds. Hes not banning choke holds. Hes not changing the way Police Officers police africanamerican communities and other communities of color. Hes just paying lip service to these issues. Hes patting his Law Enforcement buddies on the back, telling them what a great job theyre doing and not at all addressing the underlying issues. The New York Times wrote a great article over the weekend about what happened after 2014 and all the protests we saw following the Police Murdering of mike brown in ferguson, missouri, and they said tens of millions of dollars was invested in all of these deescalation, implicit bias, so many reforms were hearing about and nothing moved the needle on the 1,000 people that are killed every year by Police Officers and the article basically said what the protesters are saying, that unless we make big and bold changes to the way we police, were going to be right back here, not i cant even say a month from now, because we were right back here over the weekend with mr. Brooks in atlanta. Trump hasnt done anything other than insult the protesters. Areva martin, thank you. Thanks, breonna. I want to turn now to atlanta where, as soon as tomorrow, we could see a decision on charges for both officers involved in the deadly shooting of Rayshard Brooks. This is happening as we get a first look now at the disciplinary records of the fired officer who shot brooks, garret rolfe. In 2017, he was reprimanded for use of force involving a firearm. As millions of americans protest this latest use of deadly force, my next guest believes in this case the officers actions were justified. Sheriff alfonso williams, who serves in burke county, georgia, says rolfe acted appropriately and believes that the shooting has been politicized. He joins me now. Sheriff williams, thank you so much for joining me today. Thank you for having me, brianna. You know the family attorney in this case says police should have tried to catch brooks instead of shooting at him. What is your reaction to that . Having 30 years in the business, police and Law Enforcement and 27 of those years having taught use of force and taught hundreds and hundreds of Law Enforcement officers across the state of georgia and other states, i just think that hes a lawyer. Hes not a Law Enforcement officer. I think that is just a ridiculous statement. We saw in the video that the brooks was engaged in a fight with the officers. They were on the ground. When were on the ground, we have a very high likelihood of being hurt or killed. Its not the place we want to be. This is not a wrestling match. Brooks is able to take a nonlethal weapon, a tasera w aw from one of the officers and flees. Committed two fel nochlt y accounts of officer assaults and needs to be held accountable. Theyre perfectly justified in running behind brooks to capture him. Brooks turned back to the officers and fired the taser. And we all know this is the third Law Enforcement agency ive been head of. Every agency ive gone to, ive required every officer who carries a taser to be tased with it so you understand the incapacitation. Five seconds. 1,001, 1,002, 1,003, 1,004, 1,005 that the officer will be incapacitated and is still responsible for every weapon on his belt. Had that officer been hit he still has fighter arm on his side. The likelihood of him being stomped in the head or having his firearm taken and used against him was a probability. And so he did what he needed to do. And this was a completely justified shooting. So you think lethal force here was necessary . It was very necessary. The Fourth Amendment allows it. This is the objective, reasonableness standard. Theres nothing malicious or sadistic in the way these officers behaved. The Law Enforcement leaders in the state of georgia, its very unfortunate, have not come out and stood together on this case. I think its political and its senseless. Were sending the wrong message to our black youth. Were telling them that its okay, that they can run from the police, they can take a weapon from the police, they can fight with the police and point a weapon at the police and expect nothing to happen. That is the wrong message to send to black youth. Now, we cannot we cannot, brianna, put this case with the Ahmaud Arbery case nor the george floyd case. When i saw the george floyd case, i was outraged. Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago i was so outrage identity wrote a letter to the governor, the head of the Georgia Association of chiefs of police and the head of the georgia sheriffs association, and i provided them with seven standards that i think are very necessary to prevent black men from being killed at the hands of police in the way it was done in the floyd case and the Ahmaud Arbery case. I graduated high school with Ahmaud Arberys mother. Those were two outrageous, very clear violations of policy and law. Can i ask, i want to ask you a question about the Rayshard Brooks case. Early on, once he was on the ground, one of the things that struck me observing, and you know youre inl Law Enforcement, im not was how quickly at close range one of the officers pulled a taser out. It seemed like his arm was flailing and then he sort of got tangled and grabbed the taser. One of the questions i had was do you think that that officer would have pulled a taser so quickly on a suspect if they were white . I think we have a serious issue in this country with officers, Law Enforcement officers using force against black persons or persons of color versus other persons. Im not sure exactly why that exists. I think its based on your experiences, base d on your ignorance, based on whether or not youre learned, based on movies, television, media. Theres a little bit of blame to go around with all of us. But i just want to zero in on this, sheriff. It sounds like you dont know. It sounds like you are saying perhaps there could be a possibility that maybe that escalation to the use of the taser might not have happened then if it were a white man . Im not saying that at all. Okay. Im saying what happened in the brooks case is completely justified, 100 . And an officer generally goes to work every day, hes not concerned about whether a perpetrator is black or white. Hes there to do a job. He was called there by the employees of wendys because the guy is passed out at the wheel. And hes investigated for being under the influence of something and is less safe to drive. They conduct field sobriety. All officers know this, brianna, when one cuff goes on, a person is going to do one of three thing things, fight, take flight, or comply. In this case, he did fight and flight. They are taught in the academy that you arrest or handcuff quickly, one to two seconds. If not, your life is in jeopardy. And that played out in this scenario. We dont want to fight with anybody. We dont want to be on the ground. The suspect had the ability to hurt the officer. He had the opportunity to hurt the officer, because he took his taser. The officers life was certainly in jeopardy, and the suspect could have complied and none of this would have happened. Sheriff, thank you so much for joining us. Sheriff alfonzio williams from burke county, georgia. Appreciate it. Thank you. Next, Oklahoma States football coach is promising change after players objected to his support of a farright network that pedales conspiracy theories. Plus the nfl commissioner says he would be happy to have a team sign Colin Kaepernick. One of the prominent agents through rosenhaus will join me live. And masks to protect americans yet they werent doing it at the president s event today. This is cnns live special coverage. You dont. [grunting noise] ill take that. Woohoo 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. Ensure max protein. With nutrients to support immune health. Ensure max protein. 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Now the two men say they will Work Together to alter the culture. I met with some players and realized its a very sensitive issue with whats going on in todays society. And so we had a great meeting and were made aware of things that players feel like can make our organization, our culture even better than it is here at Oklahoma State. And im looking forward to making some changes. It starts at the top with me. Weve got good days ahead. Ill start off by first saying i went about it the wrong way by tweeting. Im not someone that, you know, has to tweet something to make change. I should have went to him as a man and im more about passion. That was bad on my part. But from now on, were going to focus on bringing change and thats the most important thing. Now this morning, had you been ard tweeted a statement that said, in part, im a young black man that wants change, that will bring better experience for my Black Brothers and sisters at Oklahoma State. Its that simple. Im joined by veterans sports agent Drew Rosenhaus to talk about this and other things. When it comes to this Oklahoma State situation were seeing there, one of the things that has so many people buzzing about this is that hubbard did not apologize, right . Or excuse me, hubbard apologized. Gundy, the coach, did not apologize. We never really heard those words that are so important that hubbard said. What do you think about that . I think he should have apologized. He offended his player, and im sure he offended many other guys on the team. Oklahoma states football team, like every College Football team in america is made up of predominantly black football players. For the head coach to wear a shirt of a network that calls black lives matter a fraud in so many words is insulting, is insensitive and requires an apology. I commend hubbard for speaking up, but the head coach did not go far enough. I want to talk to you about the nfl, because the commissioner there, roger goodell, is now supporting a team signing Colin Kaepernick. What a change, right, from weeks ago. Lets listen to what he said. If he wants to resume his career in the nfl, then obviously its going to take a team to make that decision, but i welcome that, support a club making that decision and encourage them to do that. If his efforts are not on the field but continuing to work in this space, we welcome to that table and to be able to help us and guide us and help us make better decisions about the kinds of things that need to be done in communities. This brings up so many questions for me. The first is, what do you think of this switch from goodell . It is necessary. Colin kaepernick deserves to be in the nfl. Four years ago, he was banned by the nfl for taking a stance, to speak up that black lives matter, to fight against Police Brutality, for the systematic racism and discrimination that blacks have endured throughout our countrys history, and he was penalized for this, banished. Bring this man back into the nfl. He deserves t hes good enough to play quarterback in the nfl. Hes not one of my clients but ill tell you right now, objectively speaking, the league needs him. They need to embrace him. What he did was heroic, hes an activist and he should be praised not punished. Give the man a chance to play again. If he cant play any more, physically, from the time off, so be it. Give him a chance. What he stands for, the nfl needs to stand for. Thankfully, the league needs to take a position where theyre supporting Colin Kaepernick and equality, eliminating racism, oppression and disc

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