week. you're live in the cnn "newsroo "newsroom." >> good morning. i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. day 35. the search area shrinks, but a sobering reality settles in. it may not shrink anymore. five weeks and the batteries on the flight's so-called black boxes are dead or dieing. still this morning's upbeat assessment is encouraging. >> we have very much narrowed down the search area and we are very confident that the signals that we are detecting are from the black box on mh370. we're now getting to the stage where the signal from what we are very confident is the black box is starting to fade and we are hoping to get as much information as we can before the signal finally expires. >> cnn's matthew chance is at the heart of the search in perth, australia. good morning, matthew. >> reporter: good morning, carol. that's right. the search is continuing. remember it's a 24-hour search now. even though darkness has fallen here in perth and in the area a thousand miles off the coast of perth, as the search operation is continuing, we're trying to determine more pings off the water. optimism was briefly raised despite the fact there's been no breakthrough reported by the mission, the search organizers in western australia. optimism briefly raised by comments by prime minister tony abbott. he's on an official tour of china where the majority of the victims of the missing airliner came from. he went a little further than any other australian official had gone by basically saying they've limited the search area down to a few kilometers and said he was confident the signals they were detecting were from the black box flight recorders. nobody has gone that farment within a few minutes afterwards, the head of the search operation, angus houston has been saying there's been no actual breakthrough since last time we spoke in the past 24 hours. it was merely the prime minister summarizing his characterization of that on going search, carol. >> matthew chance reporting live from australia. as mathew said, australia's prime minister briefed china's president on the flight for 370 as the two men met today in beijing. sky news reporter brook court joins us live from the chinese capital. brook, tell us about this meeti meeting. brook, are you there? >> we don't have brook. basically the australian prime minister briefed the families of those missing aboard flight 370. he told us the latest information and we'll transcribing to get back to brooke in just minute. >> let's bring in rob mccallum who helped in the search for air france flight 447 and david funk, a retired pilot for northwest airlines. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> australia's prime minister says they very much narrowed down the search area to within a few miles. i'm a little confused about that. seriously? have they narrowed it that much. >> the prime minister is privy to a lot more information than i am. that does sound a trifle overconfident. we're moving now into a world that's incredibly dark. working on a slope, working at incredible depths. we still have a little ways to go. he has room for confidence, but not exact confidence. >> room for confidence. the entire search area still the size of -- maybe a little smaller than new mexico now. then the prime minister seemed to intimate that the search area for the black boxes themselves is much smaller than that. is that what he meant, rob? >> he's saying -- he's implying that the pinger location is an area of high probability within the overall search area. again, we're not dealing in an exact environment. when you're dealing with acoustics or sound under water, sound can bend, it can bounce, it can be inflinsed by a lot of factors. until you actually have eyes on the wreckage, you can't be completely confident. >> david, let me ask you this, because those searchers searching by air, they were pretty pumped up by the australian prime minister's comment. >> they should be. the fact that we've got it narrowed down, to maybe say the state of massachusetts, instead of new mexico, that's a lot smaller area for us to look at. frankly, with the screwed-up information we continue to get from the malaysians and knowing the gio politics from that part of the world, some of the talks about the wide turns and the tracks and the altitude, how much of that information coming from the malaysians, they kind of want to tell us what's going on but are afraid to reveal to their neighbors what their true capabilities of the radars are. i'm far more interested in hearing what we're getting from the pingers. it's going to be a very, long hard slog to get to it. we'll get the black boxes and have a much better idea what happened to this aircraft and why it ended up in the indian ocean. >> rob, the reason there's so much optimism is because four separate times searchers picked up these pings that they're sure, fairly sure are coming from the black boxes. but there was a fifth ping they said they picked up by sonar buoy that proved to be a false lead. so should they not do that anymore, drop buoys from airplanes with the sound detectors on them? should they not use them anymore? >> to be honest, at this stage with the batteries dieing out, almost everything is worth a shot, to try and get another fix or two. any noise detection at all on those pingers. the fifth ping was a distraction, but we've got four good pings and that gives us a much better idea of where to deploy side scan sonar than we had a week ago. >> david, you're a pilot, of course. there's a theory out there this maybe the perfect crime, someone flew the plane to the middle of the indian ocean to make it disappear. is there any way to obscure the information recorded on those black boxes? >> other than the fact that the cockpit voice recorder only goes back two hours and the plane flew much longer and we'll only know what happened the last two, no way at all from the flight deck or inside the airplane that i'm aware of or anyone in the business has ever said you can modify what's on that flight data recorder. there are thousands of bits of information that goes back more than 30 days -- goes back at least 30 days. we're going to have a lot of info once we pull those things out, positions of flight controls, the temperatures the engines were producing, amount of fuel flow. there's a huge amount of data there. once we get them up off the bottom. getting off the bottom is rob's area of expertise. it's a very difficult environment as we all understand. >> once they pinpoint where those black boxes are exactly or come close at least, rob, it's still going to take months, maybe years to actually find the physical boxes, right? 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that's what investigators are up against as they try to hone in on the black boxes. >> season operators found the needle before they found the hey stack. it's quite unprecedented. >> reporter: once you know where to look, how do you get down there, some 14,000 feet below the indian ocean? >> there's one of two ways you do it. you either do it with a remote vehicle that is not tether ed t a ship on the top or you do it with a tethered remote vehicle. >> reporter: former managing director of the national transportation safety board says similar types of vehicles went almost 13,000 feet deep during the search for the cockpit voice and data recorders from the 2009 air france crash off the coast of brazil. the recorders were found about two years after the crash, long after the pingers had died. under water vehicles were also used to create artifacts from the titanic. before sending the vehicles down, investigators must first map the terrain. a step that takes time and requires patience. >> if it's in rocky or cav very nous terrain, it could be challenging. once the wreckage is identified, these vehicles and the operators have extraordinary capability. >> locating them is one thing, but pulling the black boxes from the incredible depths is another. the remote controlled vehicles, armed with sonar, cameras, lighting and remote control arms may sift through silt and potentially through wreckage in pitch dark waters. >> it can be painstaking. it can be very difficult. sometimes the boxes have separated from the wreckage. sometimes the boxes have separated from their pingers. so this is going to being a long process. >> george howell, cnn, chicago. joining me now, less aben, a pilot for 777s. good morning, les. >> good morning, carol. how are you? >> you've been with us for these 35 days. are you still hopeful? >> i've always looked at this with rose-colored glasses. the prime minister is being optimistic. i like to hear from marshall houston covering this operation more than anything because he's very guarded with what he says. i think the information is a little bit more technical and accurate. yeah, i'm very hopeful. this is great news. >> i'm going to jump way far ahead and ask you this question. once they find those black boxes and bring them up to the surface, how long does it take to retrieve information from them? >> it depends on where they go. i'm thinking they'll send it to the ntsb headquarters in washington, although i don't know that for a fact. but this data can be disseminated probably in a week's time or less from what i know. it's a process. once that process starts occurring, you can put in a program that will actually show what the airplane was doing, both from a profile point of view and from within the cockpit. so it will be exciting stuff. in addition, the fact that you recover black boxes, you can recover part of the wreckage with it which might mean you'll find the tail depending on how the airplane impacted. that will tell us a lot, too, just by finding wreckage. >> obviously these black boxes are critical to solving this mystery. is there any way to tamper with this black box while the plane was in the air or on the ground or is it impossible? >> your brooef yous guest today, buck, indicated it really is. there's nothing you can do with the digital flight data recorder. there's no way of tampering with that. the only way you can do anything is to pull a circuit breaker. that's not accessible to us in the cockpit in the 777. there's no way you can possibly erase data, move data. it's not something we as pilots have the capability of doing. >> so i'll ask the big question. from your observations these many days, what do you think happened? >> that's the $64 million question. i've been going over this in my head. i've taken every aspect from a terrorist event to a passenger going berserk getting into the cockpit and the crew itself. nothing makes sense to me from that angle. the only thing that makes sense is some sort of mechanical issue. we've really got to get credible information on this radar tracking from malaysian because it just seems impossible on what was performed. but if you takt it from the steps of nefarious, there are a lot of holes in it. granted, there are holes in the mechanical theory if you do a smoke or fume type situation also. but, you know, i lean toward the mechanical side. i'm open to it because everything seems to have holes to it. >> you're right about that. les abend, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. ten people now dead after a fiery crash in northern california. stephanie elam is at the crash site. stephanie? 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>> reporter: it is really a bizarre one. at this point they say they don't know. we do know the n trnlthssb is coming here to investigate. the side here, the median is actually just bushes, shrubbery. no metal line between it or anything. these plants is pretty much what separates northbound from southbound. you talk about a semi truck coming through there, there's nothing really that slow it down. a very scary situation. >> stephanie elam reporting live this morning. thank you. still to come on the "newsroom," the so-called black boxes for flight 370. what happens when or if investigators recover them. ♪ make every day, her day with a full menu of appetizers and entrées crafted with care and designed to delight. fancy feast. love served daily. making moves that would put an adult in the emergency room. yet all they really want to do is grow up. it's funny, everyone i know wishes they could go back and feel younger. sound familiar? then test drive one of these. current non-gm owners and lessees use your $1,500 allowance to lease the 2014 cadillac ats for around $359 a month with nothing due at signing. take this simple test. press your tongue against it, like this. it moves! do you feel it? 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>> maybe. i always hear we're in for a correction and investors keep saying that. every time this sort of thing happens, we say maybe part of the reason it's falling is because there's some sort of correction in play. is there? >> i talked with a trader about that today. actually he sees this as a standard pullback. as tough as it is to see those triple digit moves of red for a couple days, it is a little bit much to stomach. this trader telling me this is more of a standard pullback from a correction. a correction would actually be 10% off the highs. he doesn't see that happening. just to put it in perspective for you, so far this year the dow is down about 3%. guess how much it was up last year? it was up last year 25%. when you put it in perspective like that, you realize the 3% lower really mott that big of a deal. however, it is a little bit tough to watch. >> alison kosik, thanks so much. the search for malaysian airlines flight 370 has dragged into its 35th day and filled with misinformation, missteps and frustrations. where does the blame lie? randi kaye has more for you. >> reporter: frustration with the malaysian government started early on, beginning with the flight plan. >> translator: malaysia talked nonsense and lied which delayed the search and rescue for eight days. we want an explanation for this. >> reporter: it was the satellite company, not the malaysian government which figured out the flight plan and provided vital information to narrow the search area. but despite that information, malaysian authorities kept directing some searches in the complete opposite direction including the coast of vietnam. >> until we locate mh370, search and rescue operations will continue in both corridors. >> reporter: those searches tax limited resources. the clock was ticking every second on the plane's black boxes. eventually they did abandon the search in the northern corridor. valuable time was lost. also in early march, u.s. investigators determined the plane had flown for hours after its last communication. based on satellite data from systems on board. the malaysian reaction, they denied it. but only days later the malaysian prime minister told reporters the plane had indeed flown for about seven hours after that last communication. and what about the last words from the cockpit? 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>> yes, they say they were taken last year. and nato has already come back and said no, that is not through these are valid. photos which they say show clear and empty fields before this build up. once she's forces have already been established here. so no real fighting just yet. they are going to establish two different troops. >> phil black reporting live from russia thank you so much. the next hour of cnn newsroom after a break. very confident that the dig nals are from the black box. the search narrowing. he went as far as any official so far. >> i'm confident that they are in the right place. >> new american search power. on the way. pretty incredible if you look at where we started. >> five weeks after disappearing from radar, and from almost three miles down. >> you see something on the surface. we'll find it. the search enters it's fifth week. you are live in the cnn newsroom are. good morning thank you so much for joining me. day 35 the search area shrinks again. it may not shrink by any more. five weeks in. the batteries of the black boxes are now dead or dying. hopes right on the up beat assessment from australia's prime min ter. they discussed the search effort and china's vital role in it. >> we expressed our sincere gratitude towards china. >> they are going to provide ships for the search and we have been grateful for their help. >> cnna matthew chance is at the heart of the search in perth australia. let's talk about what he said about the search area. he said they were within some mimes of those black boxes, what did he mean by that? >> reporter: he was referring, var ro contrary ro carole, that the search has been refined. remember, about a week ago the search area was would where within 80,000 square miles, now 18 squiare miles. even despite this, though, he was in beijing the chinese capitol meeting with the chinese president and he wept further than officials have gone so far in terms of characterising the progress so far. take a listen to what he had to say. >> we have very much narrowed down the search area and we are very confident that the signals that we are detecting are from the black box. i don't want to say anymore than that. i want to get the most up-to-date briefing. from what we are confident is the black box is starting to fade. and, we are hoping to get as much information as we can. before the signal finally expires. >> all right well to pour some water some of the expectations generated by those committents. the man charged with coordinating the search effort, angus houston said that in the past 24 hours or so, there has been no significant break through in the search. there was a 5th ping detected above the search zone yesterday. it has now been disclosed that has now been discounted from the investigation and from the search. as not being related to the m s missing aircraft. a very mixed bag of developments. >> reporting live from australia this morning. jeff wise author of extreme fear and thomas autschuller are, welcome gentlemen. >> good morning. nice to have you here. jeff, the prime minister said they have narrowed the search area to 18 square miles which i be guess is good but then he went onto say that the area is defined to a smaller area. what do you suppose he means by that? >> this is a crucial time. we are getting into our 5th week now. we have no tangible clues and no debris. this is on pace to be the most expensive search in history. the pinger now is dead or dying. within the next few days if we don't have something, we won't have thig. the prime minister is trying to bo boltster optimism. the families are complain that go they haven't been given information. they are trying to keep people's hopes up. do you agree with nothing to show for it? >> they have four separate in ta stances where they did pick up sound. >> they have some information that leads them to think that they are in a good position to start doing more aggressive searching and that is what they were doing with the buoys. a lot of this is how well the date that they they see coming off of the pink he pings, how t model that back to an understanding. they will need to keep on looking for acoustic events until they feel confident that the events are dead. let's assume, he are supposed to let 30 days past. if those batteries are dying today or dead? this could mean things for the search? >> even what they are doing right now is unprecedented. the way that you look for the plane in the ocean is to find the debris. and then search the area under that point. they have never been able to find wreckage. they sort of struck out at random and hoped that they would find something in the random part of the ocean. they are aputting their hopes o this one signal. and so that is why i think it is a long shot. >> that is not exactly what they are saying. no, not at all. they are saying that the signal does match a signal that is coming out of the black boxes. they said that didn't match but that was different technology that came from above and these four separate instances of sound came from below with that high-tech hydrophone, right? >> probably what happened there was the frequency or signal characteristics didn't look like the simple aviation pinger. i wouldn't want to judge them. but think about what they are built for. they are built to detect submarines which are running quietly. they are 1,000 feet and well be low the noise that is coming from the surface of the ocean. they are very, very sensitive. it is probably discounting that detection. in spite of what you have just said. will they deploy those fairly soon? >> they haven't had a tpl signal in four days now. it has been quite a while since they have got ten any continuinn that it is still alive. >> the next thing to do is clearly to send down that auv that under water robot. see if you can locate something that would correspond those pings that were detected. >> thank you so much. still to come in the newsroom. lessons from the titanic. and ask why he believes the technology in the search for this missing plane may not be enough to get the job done. what can i do on a $7 a month android plan from tracfone? check the weather. borrow ted's wheelbarrow. post big tomato pics. buy a birdhouse for sparrows. download gardening apps. answer my wife's texts. search how to sculpt hedges into a t-rex. i can do all that with my android from tracfone for as low as $7 a month. 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>> it is a long time. we had a path of the titanic, we didn't see it make a left turn. 100 square miles, certainly not a 100 that we are talking about today. >> i don't think we have the sec to toth. >> the navy hasn't been running submarines for a long time. i think we didn't have the technology at the time. it was still pretty deep. >> and 30 years ago, you got two or three hours on target and then it is a long ride back up. >> and another question i wanted to ask you. why do you think we had this continued fascination with the titanic? sort of get us all kind of anxious, we all take planes and trains. it was a great leveller as you probably recall. you had people in steer age, it was sobering for everyone to realize that we are here and have the same liabilities in terming of what we do and where we go. that made it a warm story. plus sort of the fame of the people that were on that ship. >> one more question, when you guys finally located the titanic after decades. what was that feeling like? >> well, i was on shore. i was fielding media much like this. there was a big feeling of elation. it was a victory for the technology in terms of us that are very interested in terms of exploration. we can discover things in the ocean that we haven't been able to do before. it was a huge success. >> thank you so much. i appreciate your being this morning. >> you are very well come. >> still to come, a bus filled with students looking to tour a california university ends in tragedy. good morning stephanie. >> reporter: very tragic, tragic turn of events here and we are going to tell you why there are several high schools in los angeles that are upset by this event here in northern california. ♪ led to the one jobhing you always wanted. at university of phoenix, we believe every education- not just ours- should be built around the career that you want. imagine that. ♪ hooking up the country whelping business run ♪ ♪ build! we're investing big to keep our country in the lead. ♪ load! we keep moving to deliver what you need. and that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. cars and parts, fuel and steel, peas and rice, hey that's nice! ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? 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>> they are in charge. that is the law, the rule, the treaty. they are in charge. everybody else is providing assistance to them. but, that doesn't mean they are going to continuer with those boxes. they will determine who gets them and who does the analysis. and it will be from among the groups of experts. they are saying, it is their case. they are in charge and they will decide and they are admitting that they don't have the expertise. they will decide among the experts who should have it. some people i have talked to, have said that australia does have the skill set to do it. and they will assistance from maybe a couple of other experts and not have to transport those boxes back to washington dc for the analysis. but where ever it is done and who ever actually does it. it will be for the decision of the malasians whether people have confidence or not that is the law. i know you have spoken to families, and i guess they wouldn't be overjoyed that malaysia is taking the lead? >> they would have concerns and those concerns might be eased by the fact that the french or the out tra australians who were involved of the recovery of the air france that went down off the coast. some have said they would like the french to be involved. another question people here would be asking, once the black boxes are recovered, who gets to sort of lead the investigation makes the in interpretations, was there anything on the voice recorder itself. they have expertise in doing that. there was a crash in 1995, mh 2133. the pilot was judged to have come down too quickly on the runway there. part of that was based on the flight data recorder. so malaysia does have experience on reading that data. they have raised questions on the outcome of that. but they do have if you will the no how to use the information once somebody has extracted it for them. i think that many times the malaysian police are like you know, we all assume they are like the keystone cops, but are they? >> no, they are not. and something we need to clarify that this from the beginning has been a police investigation with a tremendous amount of assistance and their civil aviation authorities the confusion that still doesn't end is on the radar interpretations whether the plane went up, down, side ways without them know. that is where much of the confusion and much of the media handling by them has been a ball of confusion. but the police have been under the radar all along in this thing diligently working and they still are. it has not been the police that have been questions let's say other than when they said they cleared the passengers after only three weeks or so. that was unrealistic i'll put it that way. >> thank you for your insight, i appreciate it. >> still to come in the news room. take a close look. it is not a giant quid, brian todd one of the new tools in the search for that missing plane. >> these are high-tech designed to detect under water signals. just ahead. 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(mom) i'm so excited. all right i said the president was going to announce his new nominee at the top of the hour. but things are running early for the white house today. kathleen sebelius will resign. she has very much become the face of the botched roll out of obama care. tell us more, jim. >> reporter: well carole it is a friday so we don't mind when things are starting earlier here at the white house. we do expect to see the president come out with this current health and human secretary and who he hopes to be his future secretary and that is sylvia matthews birdwell. the president is coming out right now. and i have been told that we should be hearing from the president and also sebelius and birdwell. >> good morning everybody. [ applause ] >> hey. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> all right everybody have a seat, have a seat. good morning. in my sixth year in office, i am extraordinarily grateful to have so many aids and advisers who have been there since the earliest days. but it is still bittersweet when any of them leave for other endeavors. in early march, kathleen told me she would be moving on once the first open rollment period under the affordable care act came. and after 7.5 million americans who have signed up for health coverage through the exchange. she has earned that right. [ applause ] >> all right. i will miss her advice, i will miss her friendship and her whit, but i am proud to nominate somebody to succeed her who holds these same traits in abundance, sylvia matthews-birdwell. now, just a couple of things about kathleen, when i nominated kathleen more than five years ago, i had gotten to know her when she was governor at kansas and had shown extraordinary skills there and was a great supporter during my presidential campaign. i mentioned to her that one of her many responsibilities at hhs was to prepare for a pandemic flu outbreak and i didn't know at the time that it would be her first task. nobody remembers that now but it was. it gives you the idea of the sorts of daily challenges what she has handles without fanfare and without knowledge that have been critical to the health of the american people. she has fought to improve children's health from birth to kindergarten, reduced racial and ethnic disparities. she has been a tireless advocate for women's health and of course what kathleen will go down in history for is serving as the secretary of health and human services when the united states of america finally cl lly delait quality affordable health care is not a privilege, but a right for everyone of these united states of america. [ applause ] >> kathleen has been here through the long fight to pass the affordable care act. he helped guide it's implementation even when it got rough. she's got bumps, i've got bumps, bruises, but we did it because we knew of all the people that we had met all across the country who had lost a home, had put off care, had decided to stay with the job instead of start a business because they were uncertain about their health care situation. we had met families who had seen their children suffer because of the uncertainty of health care. and we were committed to get this done. and that is what we have done. and that is what kathleen's done. yes, we lost the first quarter of open rollment period with the problems with healthcare.gov. and there were problems. but, under her leadership and her team at hhs turned the corner, got it fixed, got the job done, and the final score speaks for itself. there are 7.5 million people across the country that have the security of health insurance most of them for the very first time and that is because of the woman standing next to me here today. and we are proud of her for that, that is a historic

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