china's capital. >> family members march on malaysia's embassy in beijing, the intended designation of doomed flight 370. they're demanding answers on the search. challenging malaysian's announcement the plane crashed killing all on board, outraged relatives ask how can all hope be lost when not a single piece of debris has been found? >> if something found, we'll go to australia. if nothing found we'll stay here and go to malaysia and fight for ou ourselves. pauline is live in beijing with more. hello pauline. >> reporter: these family members are not satisfied with the announcement the plane has gone down. they say they want hard evidence, a piece of luggage or a seat cushion, some debris from the plane with 370's markings. until they see that, they don't want to close the door on the search. this morning, outrage and furry as people face off with the government. family members are protesting. >> from the beginning, they hide everything. i don't think this kind of government, a liar and even murderer can solve anything. >> following the message from the prime minister -- >> flight 370 ended in the southern indian ocean. >> frustrated by malaysia's handling of the incident they descended on foot marching over two miles after police prevented them from taking buses and blocked the embassy once they arrived. furious and skeptical of malaysia's investigation, some chinese family members released a statement reading in part the malaysian government and malaysian military continue putting off, holding back and covering up the truth of the incident as well as trying to deceive the families of passengers and people of the entire world. >> i don't why. i just want to see some debris off the aircraft and black box to know exactly what happened. there are too many unanswered questions. >> and because of these questions, some chinese families say they're now willing to go to kuala lumpur. initially they didn't want to go to a foreign country and be aware from families. now they want to go because they want to confront the officials there at the highest level. carol? >> pauline reporting live from beijing this morning. day 18 of the search and more critical time is slipping away. perth, australia search points never left the ground today because of a storm at sea. foul weather remains a threat. many feel the airline and ceo caused the greatest damage mishandling the search. >> cnn andrew stephens is in perth, australia, the hub of the search. andrew what are you hearing about the airline ceo under fire? >> reporter: he's certainly under a huge amount of pressure and has been from day one, carol. he was asked at a press conference whether he will resign. he said that's a personal decision and i'll take it day by day. it's a very, very difficult position for him to be in. look at the daily press conference coming out from kuala lumpur. it's led by the malaysian government. the ceo is always there and you can see the stress and pain etched in his face everyday. he's not leading the information, not telling people what's going on. that's handled by the malaysian government. he's got his hands tied some what. the malaysian government, no doubt about it made serious missteps in the beginning when the first few days after the plane disappeared. they were told they weren't being transparent enough. now they're trying to be transparent. that line from the malaysian prime minister yesterday that the plane did indeed crash in the southern indian ocean is transparently. they've got the best information they can get. it's been checked and rechecked by satellite experts from several down dri countries. they made the decision to get the information out. this search could go on for days before we have concrete evidence. it could go on longer than that. there are choices to keep people informed and tell them what we're told by expert opinion, or do we say nothing and go back to being accused of hiding things when we're not? a very, very difficult position for the malaysia airlines ceo. at this stage, we don't know whether he will resign. he's doing what he can from what we hear to help the passengers. again, they were slow off the mark but now offering so many services to the passengers. you can understand the pain of the passengers. you don't want to admit your loved one is lost until you see the hard evidence. totally understandable. the other side of that, we want to get the information out there, show you we're being transparent. >> andrew, live from australia, thank you. another important development. the search area has narrowed. forget the northern corridor. that's been eliminated. >> as result of this new data analysis, the search in the northern corridor has been called off. we have also stopped the search and rescue in the northern part of the southern corridor close to indonesia. all search efforts are now focused on the southern part of the southern corridor in an area covering some 469,407 square nautical miles. >> that's the size of alaska. while the search has narrowed, the focus of the data recordings is intensifying. now two weeks until the batteries die, pings send out a more defining search area. tomorrow equipment to locate the ping recorders is set to arrive in perth, australia. with me mary schiavo and tom fuentes. good morning to both of you. mary, the search is narrowed down to about the size of alaska. is it possible to narrow that further? >> well the gentleman that we heard from throughout this horrible ordeal said they've been working on narrowing it further. he said they provided the information they had to date, the authorities did say they were going to try to narrow it. even if they don't, they have the last known reporting of the plane with the fuel calculations perhaps they can calculate where they think the flight on a more precise point did end and certainly deploy the listening devices there. >> mary, malaysian authorities also said the challenge now is managing resources. those are the words they used. we know at least six countries are involved in this search. how would it be difficult to manage those resources? i thought australia was in charge of this operation? >> they are in the water search, but of course malaysia is conducting the criminal investigation because they're still looking into criminal possibilities. then there's also the support investigation that goes into the civil crash site. the looking at the records, maintenance, flight log, plane logs. all of that has to go on too. it sounds as though they're feeling strapped for resources. all they have to do is reach out. there have been cases and instances in the past where countries have given the control of an investigation to another country to manage, so if they get truly strapped all they have to do is ask. many nations including the united states are capable of doing that. >> do you think they would reach out to the united states and say take the lead? >> no. they wouldn't do that probably for one reason. egypt did that after the crash of egyptair 990. folks might recall that was the one the ntsb concluded it was pilot suicide, one of the only two major ones we have. egypt disagreed and said it was a problem with the 767, a problem never defined. there was a huge disagreement. that resulted in a diplomatic scuffle. in the end the ntsb did not issue an official report because of that. while it has been done in the past, the result was not necessarily acceptable to the country who relinquished control. >> got you. >> we know the flight simulator is still being searched. investigators question 100 people associateed with the pilots. as far as you know, have they found anything? >> carol, not yet. that's still worked on. when they do find something, that's provided to the malaysians. the u.s. is assisting malaysia in their investigation. it's not a u.s. led investigation or led by other countries. it's their case. as you've seen with all aspects whether aviation side of the investigation or the criminal side of the investigation, they're in charge. it's their system. they do things differently than we do. they haven't had the experiences of running a major crisis like we have. we've refined our techniques of technique management, media management. that's a big difference here. they're not used to being challenged by the media. what's happened, the problem for them really especially in china is that once a government on a particular issue loses its credibility, it's pretty much gone. that's what they're facing now no matter what they say or no matter who they're quoting. in this case, the technicians are telling them the plane went south and had to of gone down in the indian ocean. at this point, when that comes out of mouths of malaysian leaders, people don't believe it in malaysia or china. >> i understand that. another side of the criminal investigation. is it unusual to find nothing suspicious about any passenger or crew member in 18 days? >> 18 days really isn't a long time. the search is cursory, looking at databases, have they come up, been arrested, come up on intelligence report or no fly list in the database, watch list we have. in terms of doing thorough backgrounds, a figure like 100 is minuscule. this should have had a thousand interviews. family members of those on that aircraft, family members and people that worked on it, the caters, people that come on and clean the aircraft to refuel it, put luggage on the aircraft, airport security personnel. reviewing the videos of the per of the aircraft. did anyone stow away or do something to it that others didn't notice. an investigation like that should be expanding all over the world on top of it. >> tom and mary, many thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. we'll have more on flight 370 ahead. first, it's a race against the clock for rescue teams trying to find sur voovivors after a dead mudslide in seattle. ana is live. >> reporter: good many. we're on the west side of the landslide as close as we can get. it's day four of the search and rescue operation. 14 confirmed dead, 176 still missing. ahead, family members of those missing are still holding out hope. here's a word you should keep in mind "unbiased". some brokerage firms are but way too many aren't. why? 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>> reporter: three days ago first responders say this 4-year-old boy moments after pulling him from the mud. >> they brought him to us in the ambulance. i took all his clothes off because he was freezing. wrapped him up and held him, told him i was a grandma. we couldn't find the rest of his family. >> corey lost his aunt and home. his uncle survived. >> heard him pounding on that room. he had a little air pocket. my neighbors and friends came and started digging him out. >> reporter: he and neighbors have formed their own search crew in the hopes that more will be found a live. >> reporter: there's more help on the way. expecting search and rescue teams from california to arrive and help in the search at day break. you can see a this county fire rescue truck leaving the scene, coming from the landslide. things have been ongoing overnight. federal resources will also be helping today. it's a race against time as you can see. carol, it's just starting to rain yet again. >> it's so hard to wrap your hand around. i was struck by what the governor said. there's not a stick standing anywhere in that square mile. how hard has it been for rescue crews to comb through the thick mud? >> reporter: tremendously hard. there's so many obstacles and dangers. the ground is not stable. there are those risks involved in fact search and rescue teams had to retreat yesterday for a few hours which is precious time lost because it was too dangerous to get in there. we heard they're encountering mud packed homes and cars so thick it's like picking through concrete in some areas. yet other areas where the mud or loose debris is so porous that they sink into it. some crews had to be pulled out of the muddy debris using ropes because they were stuck up to their armpits. it's challenging. they're using helicopters and sonar, imaging. yet unfortunately as of the latest press conference, they aren't seeing any new sign of life. carol? >> ana bcabrera live in washington. more on the search for the flight 370. is something mechanical the reason we can't find the plane or the reason it disappeared in the first place? what checks are done better a boeing 777 takes to the skies? we'll talk about that next. i've quit for 75 days. 15 days, but not in a row. for the first time, you can use nicorette even if you slip up, so you can reach your goal. now, quit on your own terms with nicorette or nicoderm cq. what checks are done better a the search for flight 370 has now been called offer in the northern corridor. search crews are focussing on the southern indian ocean. as to why the plane went down, that remains a history. some experts say it had to be mechanical. a former airline captain and engineer, good morning sir. >> good morning. >> i'm sure boeing turned over many documents to malaysian investigators. it would be fascinating to what those say. any guesses? >> it's all the certification stuff on the airplane, how you operate it. things that the malaysian airlines already knew. boeing knows, most boeing aircraft operators around the world would know. nothing in there would be surprising. we know the airplane was built in 2002, little over 7,500 takeoffs and r takeoffs and landings, typical for that. >> what if they're not telling us something? >> the liability to boeing would be so great it would totally damage their franchise. it would be hard for me to believe boeing would not be as forth coming as possible. if there's something no one knows about this airplane that caused the crash, we want to know it including boeing. that will allow us to fix whatever caused it and prevent it in the future. airline crashes were routine in 50's and 60s. this is a big story because our system is so good and reliable. there are tens of thousands of departures and ocean crossings everyday. >> still, we hope not one happens, right? >> bingo. >> let's go back to pretakeoff. what kind of checks would mechanics make before that took off? >> it starts when it arrives at the gate from the previous flight. mechanics look at landing gear, inspect engines briefly. look over the whole aircraft from a bird strike or foreign object sucked up into the engines or cut in the tire. they'll look at the cabin. the cockpit crew, probably the co-pilot makes a walk around of the aircraft. both pilots preflight the interior and make sure every single is operating. we do that every flight. if you've been flying all day long, you don't have to do every check. if you're starting the day, you're going to check from the oxygen masks operating properly, to radio work, transmitting properly if you're going out over water. everything is checked and tested by the pilots prior to departure. we have test runs prior to takeoff. >> i'm sure investigators have the checklists too, right? >> absolutely. >> with all your experience, do you have a guess at what happened? was it mechanical? >> it looks to me to be some sort of mechanical or electrical cascading event not just the loss of communications with the airplane. we don't know if it was shut off or just failed. we don't know about the communication radios. they never tried to answer radio calls. that leaves me to believe we had a problem in the center area between the pilot's hips in the airplane that maybe knocked those out and in the process incapacitated the pilots. the only thing would be an electrical fire in the cockpit. a cars is down stairs and would continue to transmit. >> every theory, there's something that disproves it. thank you david funk. i appreciate it. could the pilots have attempted a water landing? 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now mitchell and martin savidge. >> good morning carol. what we're going to investigation is the approach to water landing. we're not going to put it in the water. a simulator can't do that. we'll get you close to the water and talk about the possibility. you see, even if this aircraft ran out of fuel, it had the range to glide quite some distance. >> it had the ability to glide depending on altitude. >> assuming you have someone in control of the airport a. in theory you could or would try to set it down on the water. the miracle on the hudson is the perfect example. that was done with an air bus 320, a much smaller aircraft. this is considered to be a jumbo jet. here are alerts you're trying to get. the plane is trying to tell you, if you're this low, why don't you have the landing gear down. the reason is -- >> it would make the plane flip. you want to land on the belly, flat surface. >> you see how the sea state would be crucial. if it's really rough, is there any way to land on that? >> if you had to, you had to. you would have to compensate and adjust. it wouldn't be easy. >> would you try to keep the plane at stall, in other words slow? >> at minimum speed as possible. yeah. >> the key would be set the tail down first and rest of the body to drop afterwards. you want to keep the wings level. if you don't, if you tip, you cart wheel. a cart wheel would be devastating and destructive. the problem is without fuel without the engines running, you get only one shot to do it. we have no way to know if that was attempted. we're demonstrating this airplane could have tried even if it was out of fuel. let's take it up then. that's a look at how a water landing might have happened. carol? >> not likely though, right? again stormy weather a big factor today. it was too dangerous for search and recovery operations. with me now, the senior captain at the institution of oceanography, chris. welcome sir. >> good morning. >> um, would it help to know how the plane crashed in looking for debris in this vast ocean? >> well of course the larger pieces would make it easier to locate something on the sea floor, but you're still talking about very small object on a very vast area. you're running against time to locate the black box. >> absolutely. there's a lot of equipment in area, 12 planes, ship, 12 more on the way. does that make it more difficult for those searching? >> well, i think they're all on the same team. i'm sure they're all pulling together to ultimately find any wreckage and hopefully maybe survivors. i think the more assets you throw at a problem like this, the better. >> even with all this equipment, is it likely they'll actually be able to find debris? >> well, um, i really think it's very unlikely myself. there's always that hope. >> well, i want to be realistic because it seems impossible. stormy weather today, rough sea a a remote part of the world. it seems impossible to find anything. >> it's a very big area they're looking in for small pieces of debris. yeah. it's very difficult task. >> the reason i'm asking you is why not narrow the focus of the search further using satellite images and high-tech tools to find the black boxes? like skip the debris and focus in on a smaller area and then search for those black boxes using those high-tech ping detecto detectors? >> yeah, if you have a place to look. they don't really have a good area to look right now. i understand the equipment that picks up the signal for the black box needs to be towed at a slow speed. generally to do a complete search, you have to what's called mow the grass. go back and forth over the area. that all takes time. that's a small commodity right now. >> i know. the battery in the black box will to start dieing in two weeks. chris curl, thanks for your insight. i appreciate it. >> you're welcome. still to come, the enormous search in one of the most remote places on the planet. we don't know if we're looking for the needle in the right haystack. tom foreman helping us map the search area. good morning tom. >> good morning carol. you know what your guest spoke about, trying to get the big space down to a smaller one. that matters underwater. we'll explain how that's done in just a moment. 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(mom) i'm so excited. just because the search area for malaysian flight 370 has moved south does not mean it will be easier to find the missing plane. dozens of ships must search the area bigger than the state of alaska all in the most remote area on the planet. >> we're not searching for a needle in the haystack. we're trying to find the haystack. >> this is extremely remote part of the world. 3,500 meters deep. it's a massive logistic exercise. >> certainly is. tom foreman joining us with more. good morning. >> good morning. how are you carol? talk about the size of the place. 621,000 square miles. this is five times as big as the search area for the air france crash that took a long time to find. how do you narrow that down and make it smaller? this is the data we have. different slight paths based on this data, slight variations in speed. they think they have an idea of speed but not precise. drift patterns follow afterwards. when you talk about the idea of underwater searching carol, this is a whole different ball game. people have to bear this in mind. when you fly down over the surface of the water and get down where you're a mile or two miles deep under the water, it's a tricky maneuver. yes you bring in side scan sonar to map the floor and show you anything that might show up down there as on the floor. that will produce pictures you can study and try to see if you see anything that looks like part of a ship. again, i cannot stress enough how much this is a limited technology. you don't deploy it over 621,000 square miles. you deploy over a much smaller area. the same is true to a degree like hydro phones trying to listen to the signal out there. you've got to get close to the target. how do you do that? basically make a grid out of your area and assign values to it. what's most likely for where the plane might be. what's least likely? you search areas and adjust values over and over again in the hopes by statistics you can close in on where the plane might actually be. it will take time, carol, a lot of time potentially. >> tom foreman, many thanks. more on the investigation of flight 370 in just a minute. first, the way the nsa does business could drastically change. that's according to a new proposal from the obama administration. michelle tells us more. >> reporter: we're talking about legislation that could affect every single american every day. it aims to change how the government collects and stores our phone records. coming up. i've quit for 75 days. 15 days, but not in a row. for the first time, you can use nicorette even if you slip up, so you can reach your goal. now, quit on your own terms with nicorette or nicoderm cq. ...and let in the dog that woke the man who drove to the control room [ woman ] driverless mode engaged. find parking space. 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>> still pretty difficult. >> reporter: captain hazelwood has maintained a stoic silence for years, rarely talking about the details of that night. >> reporter: why did you decide to talk to me? >> to show that i'm a human being. i think i probably just wanted to be heard. >> reporter: a thoughtful and private man accustomed to a solitary life at sea. hazelwood flies home to find his picture on the front page of "the new york times." >> reporter: what were you thinking at that moment? >> this is gonna really suck. >> reporter: the captain of the exxon valdez had been drinking that day. the target was on his back. >> reporter: how much did you drink that day? >> reporter: i had three days. spilling millions of gallons of oil. why take that risk? >> i didn't think it was a risk. i thought i was drinking moderately. >> we are all extremely disappointed and outraged that an officer in such an important position would have jeopardized his ship, crew, and the environment. >> reporter: exxon fired him by tell he graph. if you could rewrite history, would you have had a drink that day? >> the only thing i would have changed, if i could rewrite the whole script, i wouldn't have left the bridge. that's what i should be faulted for and nothing else. >> reporter: not the drinking. >> it had nothing to do with it. >> just a quick question. we are going to have to get to the next hour. was he drunk that night? >> he says absolutely not. the jury made the decision. i hope everybody will tune in for the full hour. there is so much more to this story and so many other things that went wrong. >> kyra phillips, be sure to tune in 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight. thanks, kyra. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," breaking new developments in the search for flight 370. >> the search and rescue operation in the northern corridor has been called off. >> to the south, gale force winds, large waves, heavy raps shutting down operations. >> we are not searching for a needle in a haystack. we are still trying to define where the haystack is. >> another kind of storm taking over beijing this morning. the malaysian embassy overrun. >> they are holding up signs saying they want their sons and daughters back. >> frustrate and furious over the country's handling of the accident. they call for the airlines ceo to step down. as families this morning demand proof, evidence of the crash. special edition of "newsroom" starts now. good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me this morning. grief and anger boil over in china's capital. family members march on malaysia's embassy in beijing. the intended destination of flight 370. they are demanding answers on the search. they are challenging malaysia's announcement that the plane crashed killing all on board. outraged relatives ask how can all hope be lost when not a single piece of debris has been found. >> reporter: i don't think this kind of government, a liar and a murderer, i don't believe they can solve anything. >> cnn is in the malaysian capital of kuala lumpur with more. good morning. >> reporter: carol, you know, we've seen a mixture of responses here in kuala lumpur and, of course, beijing. a mixture of denial, unable to accept. that old adage, you have to see it to believe it. they want proof that they have really lost their loved ones. they want to see proof that the plane has crashed and others have been angry about malaysian authorities handling of this. a text message sent out by malaysia airlines to notify more than 1,000 family members and loved ones. passengers on board as they tried to explain in a press conference here in kuala lumpur, that they were simply trying to get to everybody before the rest of the world heard the news that malaysia airlines flight mh-370 had likely ended its journey in the southern indian ocean. that is, of course, how the prime minister put it in his statement late last night. it is now 24 hours on here in kuala lumpur. he didn't say that the plane had crashed. he didn't say that everybody on board had died. he used different words. today in parliament, he said, we shared that information as soon as we got it. we didn't want to be seen as hiding anything even though we didn't don't have debris. in a press conference held by malaysia airlines, great sadness and sorrow and anger reflected there. they called to see if the ceo of malaysia airlines would resign. this is what he had to say, carol. >> will i resign? it's a personal basically decision. we'll take it later. >> there have been at pains to express that they share the nation and the family members' sadness. right now, their main concern is to find that debris of flight mh-370, to know exactly what happened on board means finding the flight data recorder. we have united states high-tech equipment being shipped in right now to join a ship and be taken out into the ocean to hear in the depth of the sea up to 7,000 meters deep in places and to listen for that flight data recorder so that the family members might get some answers to so many of their unanswered questions. as the ceo ended his speech today, he said, we don't know how. we don't know why. all we can do right now is pray. carol? >> saima mohsin, reporting live in kuala lumpur. we want to talk about the families and where they go from here in their search for answers. joining me now, daniel rose, an aviation, maritime attorney. welcome back. >> thank you you, carol. >> some families insist malaysia continues to hide information for them. is there any way to force the government's hand if, indeed, that is true? >> i really don't think so. the families in malaysia, unfortunately comparable to families in the u.s., really don't have a say in the investigation. that's a big pet peeve of mine, anyway, that there is a lack of transparency and a lack of family involvement in the investigation process. so unfortunately, it is even a more difficult situation in malaysia for those families. they are really dealing with this for the first time around. at least here in the u.s., we have the family assistance act that provides some kind of structure and responsibility for the airline and the investigators in how to conduct and how to keep the families informed. they really don't have anything comparable there in malaysia. >> i think malaysian authorities were not transparent at all when this plane initially disappeared. they are trying to be transparent now. is there any way for the families really to believe them since they got off to such a poor start? >> they are kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. as you said, they have really come out of the block in an unprofessional manner. understandably, to some extent, because this is their first time around at this. we have had a lot of experience in how to deal with it and how to get the information out. you don't break the ultimate news to the family members via text. it is just unconscionable. it is really tragic for these families. >> the other part of this that is really tragic, these families want proof, some kind of debris, ha hard evidence that this plane has actually crashed. it is possible they will never get that. what then? >> it is possible. i think it is more likely than not that eventually they will get that. it is understandable that that's what they want and that's what they need. it's just human nature. it is going to take time but i think eventually they will get it. if they don't, it is no the an unprecedented situation. it just leaves an open wound for a long time, if not forever. it is something that's very difficult to deal with psychologically, of course. it creates some legal issues to the extent they need to go down that road in the future. >> they are calling for the resignation of malaysian airlines ceo. maybe he will resign. maybe he won't. isn't it difficult to determine whether the airline is, indeed, responsible for this, when they can't find any debris or figure out what went wrong? >> no, not really. the way the law deals with this issue is that there is an international treaty in place that governs this flight. the families have certain rights based on that treaty. the airline is presumed to be responsible. if they are a for profit carrier, an airline, that doesn't get you from point "a" to "b," the presumption is that something went wrong. legally, it is their burden to prove that they did everything right. there will be a subset of particular families that may have the right to exercise their rights under this treaty in the u.s. but it is kind of a narrow group, residents of the u.s., people that bought their tickets here, which probably aren't too many. people that work here that aren't u.s. residents that were coming back to the u.s. so it will be a small group of passenger families that will actually have the right to avail themselves of our courts. >> daniel rose, thanks for your insight as usual. thanks so much. >> my pleasure, carol. >> it is day 18 of the search. more critical time is slipping away. in perth, australia, planes never left the ground because of a storm at sea. officials are narrowing the search area, eliminating the northern arc and focusing instead on an area surrounding the last data transmissions from that jetliner. adding to the urgency the dying batteries of those flight recorders. just over 11 days from now, the pings designed to help search crews locate them will slowly start fading away. cnn's andrew stevens has more for you from perth. >> reporter: expectations were high were australian chief called an unscheduled conference at pierce air force base tuesday. as so often, expectations are built up only to be knocked down again. the best the defense minister has was his confidence that they were looking in the right area. >> i am confident, because that's the best we have at this point in time. >> reporter: he left it to his deputy armed forces chief to announce the bad news. >> we are not searching for a needle in the haystack but still trying to find out where the haystack is. >> reporter: the key, a piece of breakage that confirms beyond doubt that 370 came down somewhere in the vast southern ocean. right now, though, the search is stalled. this empty search aircraft testament to the strength of the storm, 2.5 kilometers away. >> they have had to deploy 120 kilometers to the south to avoid for those of you that understand sea, horrendous weather conditions. >> reporter: success was said to be close to an object seen by an australian flight on monday but close in these far southern latitudes is a relative term. >> it is very easy to speculate about being close. close in this part of the world cob several hundred kilometers. >> reporter: the search is likely to presume wednesday and this uncharacteristically quiet air base just outside the state capital is expected to be back at full operational strength. the multinational air force operating gear continues to grow. the koreans are the latest country. six countries sending airplanes down to western australia to assist in this search. we have now got vessels converging on the area as well, which is crucial for that eyes on, that identity of any wreckage. they are telling us, don't get your hopes up. this still could be quite a long process to find and identify any debris. >> chris stevens reporting live from perth, australia. what if flight 370s pilots had attempted a water landing. martin savidge is in that 777 flight simulator to tell us more. >> we are working on that right now to give you an idea of just what would it take to make a jumbo jet like this land in the water. we'll have some answers in a moment. benefiber is clear, taste-free and dissolves completely. and unlike other fibers, you'll only know you're taking fiber by the way good digestive health makes you look& and feel. benefiber. clearly healthy. 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stormy weather ended search operations for flight 370 today. when the search resumes tomorrow, searchers face another challenge. they don't know what kind of wreckage to look for. they can't determine exactly how that plane crashed. let's bring in martin savidge and mitchell casado. a lot of people want to believe this plane made a water landing. you were going to take us through you that. tell us how plausible that is. >> there is some plausibility to it. we have to understand, this plane flew a long distance on, we think, autopilot and then would have run out of fuel. as we talked about before, even as this plane ran out of fuel, it doesn't just sort of pitch over and suddenly nose dive into the water. the aircraft, thanks to the great engineering of boeing, is designed to fly level even without the engines operating. it is going to descend naturally. it is still going to try to fly straight, level, and slow as it descends. for the reason you are hearing the alarms right now is the fact that what we are showing you hear is that we made an approach toward the water. mitchell, we are 240 feet above the water. our speed is about 235 miles an hour. that would be disastrous if we touched down. this is the kind of approach. you are coming in low over the water and what do you want to do if you are thinking of setting this in the water? >> you want to be sure your airplane is level. you want to touch nose high. according to the books, you want to land on the crest of any waves. it depends. this is just a rough, general description. the sea state, the winds, this is a very big part. we don't know that. >> it does. clearly, if it is a flat call motion, that's terrific. if you are dealing with 18-foot waves, that is a real problem. if you are going down, you have no choice. the weather is what the weather is. we should point out the miracles on the hudson, the text book example. that was airbus. >> which is a much smaller plane. this is a jumbo jet compared to that. you are going to try and set it down close to stall speed. >> the minimum control speed that you can. absolutely. >> as you set it down, it is going to have a very jarring impact. it is going to be the same as hitting concrete. what you want to make sure is that you don't catch a wing tip. you don't have an energy that grabs it. miracle on the hudson is the perfect example. the hijacked ethiopian flight 961 is what you don't want to do. that one caught a wing, cart wheeled and there whether fatalities. it is possible to set it down. all of this is assuming there was somebody conscious in the cockpit to do that. we don't know. >> martin savidge, mitchell casa doe, thanks as usual. >> let's turn to the challenges in recovering part of that plane. christine denison is an ocean explorer and runs a company that leads expeditions. >> thank you, carol. thank you for having me. >> i remember yesterday morning. it seems such a long time ago. they had spotted debris from the air. they were very excited. they send a ship out that way. they thought it would recover that wreckage or that debris today. of course, that didn't happen because stormy weather moved in. how difficult will it be for them to determine where that debris went. >> well, unfortunately, they are battling the elements. what we do know is that we have a deep ocean location for wreckage. they haven't released exactly the area that they are looking for but we do know this particular area where the south indian ocean is is very deep. in areas, it goes down to 25,000, 26,000 feet depth, which is extraordinary. you also have the terrain. mountainous, ridges, valleys. we are not sure exactly where they are going to find this debris. they are at the moment still doing the visuals. they have deployed or they will be deploying incredible resources to the site. no matter what you have available to you, you really can't fight mother nature. that is the situation they are in at the moment. >> at what point do search and recovery crews say it is not worth looking for debris floating on the surface of the water any longer? let's just concentrate our efforts under water. >> i don't believe they will do that, having worked on teams like this. you still have to make visual contact. they know they have seen it. they have been trying to track it. they have been battling weather. they are still going to go out and try and make a visual identification of the debris they have spotted. once they do that, they will identify it and then they will map out a grid pattern. they will start searching in a particular area where they will be able to deploy this pinger locator, the tpl-25, which can reach a maximum depth of 25,000 feet. hopefully, when everything does come together, and i personally believe it will. they will be able to deploy the hydrophone and start listening with acoustics for this pinger within the next 11 days, as we're counting down. >> so you're optimistic, because they are able to narrow this search area down. it is still the size of alaska, right? i'm not even talking about the depth of the ocean. so perhaps they will be able to narrow it further. is that possible. >> i believe we are looking at really the most expert teams in the world that do this. they do this professionally. they are a very tight team. they work like clockwork. it is a very important thing to have a group of resources that are coming together that are working around the clock on everything. i think what we've been hearing, they are prepared to do that. i really believe that we have the technology and we certainly have the resources available to us at this point that they will continue and be successful, certainly in identifying the debris and moving further with this. >> i hope so. christine denison, many thanks to you. >> thank you very much. we'll have more on missing flight 370. first, not a stick left standing. that's how the governor of washington described the aftermath of that deadly landslide. the latest for you on the desperate search for survivors next. mayo? 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that can be anywhere from legal and illegal. that could raise all kind of other issues of what were their personal interests on the internet when they thought they were having private time on the computer. >> because of the way this investigation was handled initially, do you think we will ever really know what happened? >> i think that we may never really know what happened and i wouldn't blame it necessarily on the investigation. you do have two investigations. you have the aviation side, where is that airplane? how did it get there? who made it get there? then, you have what has been from day one, the criminal side runs parallel kind of just in case. did a pilot, did a member of the crew, did a passenger, somebody on the ground that services the aircraft, have something to do with this disappearance? really, not having the flight recorders, i don't know if we will ever know without those flight recorders. even if we get the flight recorders, the voice recorder, the cockpit voice recorder may have written over the recordings that occurred at the time that plane changed direction when the transponder was shut off and the acars stopped working. that's what we may never know. >> tom fuentes, many thanks. >> thank you, carol. we'll continue to explore this mystery. we'll take a look at the cargo. there were 400 pounds of lithium eye on batteries in the cargo hull. they are known to overheat and spontaneously explode. could they have played a role? 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as we've told you, the cargo manifest for flight 370 included more than 400 pounds offer lithium batteries. despite the fact they are in use in your phone and your computer, your laptop, they are known to overheat and spontaneously explode. could these batteries have anything to do with the crash of flight 370? cnn's randi kaye has more. >> reporter: at 30,000 feet, this laptop may be enough to bring down a jumbo jet. watch closely. it is about to catch fire. inside, the battery. when it gets too hot, it ignites just like this faa training video demonstrates. in the last two decades, the faa reports more than 140 incidents involving batteries in cargo or baggage. baggage handlers noticed luggage on fire. on board, laptops, even flashlights, started to smoke. even though lithium batteries can cause this, they are still allowed in the passenger cabin. in 2008, they banned loose baggage in checked battery. a limited amount are still allowed to be checked if passaged properly. >> a short circuit can happen by chance. say a loose battery comes into contact with keys or coins or jewelry, that can create a circuit or a path for electricity. the current flowing through that short circuit creates extreme heat, leading to sparks and fire. lithium batteries burn so hot, they can melt the body of a plane. >> nothing brings the fear of god to a pilot like having a fire or smoke in the airplane. you just can't pull off to the side of the road and hop out like you can in a car. >> this youtube video shows how quickly lithium batteries can fuel a chain reaction. in 2006, a ups plane was forced to make an emergency landing. they found lithium batteries in the targ cargo survived. this was what was left of a ups plan after it crashed in dubai. the boeing 747 was carrying 80 to 90,000 lithium batteries. a chain reaction fire filled the cockpit with smoke. both pilots died. following the ups crash in 2010, the faa wanted to tighten the rules on battery shipments in cargo planes too. even classify them as dangerous goods. industry groups and lobbyists fought back hard. the final compromise approved by congress in 2012 proposed tougher, federal rule on transporting lithium batteries on planes. instead relying on international standards set by the u.n. randi kaye, cnn, new york. we'll be right back. on my journey across america, i've learned that when you ask someone in texas if they want "big" savings on car insurance, it's a bit like asking if they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. rough waves, high winds and bad visibility. some of the fierce conditions search teams are up against in the hunt with the missing flight. the ocean is like one big trash can. the task of recovering wreckage becomes even more difficult. let's bring in lead scientists. welcome, doctor sangun. >> hi, carol. i'm with conservation international. >> thank you for the correction. i appreciate that. i apologize. >> safe to say the ocean is a dirty place. how dirt? >> most people think that once you get offshore, it is pretty pristine. when you do these studies, you find a lot of crash in the ocean. so, for example, in the north pacific, with he know that there is probably 3 million tons of plastic debris alone. that's just plastic. the only thing people have gone to count. in the last. the amount put in the ocean has gone up 100 fold. >> that is really sad and incredible. in the south indian ocean where they are searching for any bit of debris from this plane where they can find, what sorts of garbage are they dealing with? >> you would think when you get far, far away from land, you are not going to find human garbage out there. you do. i have been on some of the most remote areas out in the ocean and found things all the time. they are going to run into things that come off ships, and they are going to get things that come off coastlines. the majority of people today live near the ocean. ultimately, most of our refuse ends up some way or another in the ocean. there are about 10,000 containers that fall off ships every year. that's quite a lot. so finding something and then identifying it as something that's coming from this malaysian airline is going to be very difficult. finding it and identifying it as different from the soup of materials you are in is like finding a needle. >> they say they want to find these wooden pallets. ships often carry wooden pallets, because they transport goods. it is not like if it falls off a ship, they go out and retrieve it. >> absolutely. i do think if they find an object, forensic science is good enough that they will be able to trace it with some certainty that it is coming from this aircraft. i think the hard part is detecting anything from the aircraft. in all the other things, all the false leads, if you will, that they have to then track down. yes, this is a pretty remote part of the world. but it still surprising how much you are going to find. >> dr. sanjayan, thank you so much for joining us. i appreciate it. >> absolutely. thank you. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" with berman and michaela starts now. hello, everybody. i'm john berman. >> i'm michaela pereira. 11:00 a.m. in the east, 8:00 a.m. out west. president obama is set to speak at a news conference any minute now in the netherlands. he and other world leaders are at the haig for a nuclear security summit. they have spent a bit of their time, a lot of their time, talking about russia, ukraine, and crimea. >> huge news coming from this summit already. we are talking about the decision to suspect russia from the group of industrialized nations, the so-called g-8. president obama and the dutch prime minister are expected to make comments and take questions. you are looking at a live picture of the room where they will hold that news conference in a few minutes. we can also expect the president to address other big issues at home. the white house plans to end the nsa's bulk collection of phone data. let's talk about this with michelle kosinski. i think safe to say we should also expect the president to address russia's annexation of crimea? >> reporter: probably so just because this dominated the discussion so much. the g-7 meeting which was held as a part of the nuclear security summit wasn't really, the move wasn't originally part of the plan. it wasn't because of the esflepevents that happened in ukraine. suspending with the biggest economies in the world. russia was supposed to host in june in sochi. it is a big step. the question, though, is, specially among critics, will this have any effect? the u.s.ed administration, other countries repeatedly said, there is still a door open to discussion, to a diplomatic solution. there is a chance for deescalation. we can change things if russia decides to change course. for everything that has been said and all

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