That includes the use of paper ballots and security audits. So, why is this significant . Weeks later, he would start spreading voter fraud conspiracy theories. To begin undermining the election results. I dont want to see a crooked election. This election will be the most rigged election in history. They know it is going to be fraudulent, it is going to be fraud all over the place. Complaint very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster. We will speak with neil katyal in just a few minutes, but just hours after the governor of texas tells governor biden, we will see you in court tonight the Justice Department is obliging. The doj is suing the state over the floating border wall which meant the breeze in the rio grande river. Greg is refusing to take them down but this came as whistleblowers allege that texas officials are using razor wires, booby traps essentially to deter migrants. In addition to pushing them back to the water at risk of drowning. Rosa flores, reports from the water. Abby, let me show you the Border Barrier that is at the center of this legal better. You have to look between two sets of the wire to the middle of the river, and you see the strength of buoys. Now, they are four feet in diameter, and they are anchored to the bottom of that waterway. Now, the federal governments filed this not suit after mexicos top Diplomat Complaint that these belize violated two treatise. Also, after more than 80 u. S. Democratic lawmakers complained to the president of the United States, and asked him to investigate and to file legal action, will now Governor Greg Abbott is digging in his heels, saying that texas has Sovereign Authority based on the u. S. And texas constitutions. Weve also learned that the office of the Texas Attorney general says that it is ready for this legal fight in federal court. Abby. Thanks teresa for that. Joining me now is 2024 gop president ial candidate and mayor of miami, francis suarez. Mayor suarez, thank you very much. I want to start by asking too you to respond to what rosa just laid out. The dojs argument essentially is that these barriers align with razor wires are a Public Safety and the humanitarian risk. Not to mention that mexico says that they can be on their territory, but this is a part of the border where not just adults are crossing, but families, children, women, as well. What is your response to that . I think this is a symbol of how desperate local leaders have gotten, and State Leaders have gotten with the Out Of Control crisis that we are seeing at the border. Weve seen, essentially a Wave Unreleased Policy by this administration, that has really been one of the few things that by like the officials including democrat mayors have complained about. We are seeing obviously a Human Trafficking crisis at the border, where it seems like the only ones who are benefiting from it are the coyotes and the court tells. Then, we are seeing a Fentanyl Crisis that is driven by china using a mexico to import fentanyl into United States, which has killed 80 to 90,000 americans. That is the equivalent of the 7 47 crashing every single day. So, we are not treating the border as a crisis like it is, we have to stop this migration so that we can focus on a solution. We are never going to stop the problem if we cannot control the inflow. And deal with it in a comprehensive fashion from those who are here, undocumented, to right sizing legal immigration, to finding a way to the power china and the rise of socialism and our hemisphere, which is creating the desperation and poverty that is pushing people to the United States. I take that you want to see more than from the federal government, but, on the question of the use of razor wire, and also, mayor, there are some disturbing reports that have emerged of texas troops ordering, being ordered to push migrants back into the river so that they would go back to mexico as well as another matter, on those specific allegations, and on this use of razor wire in the part of the river, do you believe that the is the right thing for Texas Governor gabbard to be doing . I think we have to get control of the border, and i think we should be working with Law Enforcement which is be utilizing technology and that acadian tech to make sure that we have complete control of our border. If we do the, we can have a more comprehensive and coherent conversation on how to solve this immigration on the question of those tactics, may, or do you support the use of those tactics . Look, i do not support the use of any tactic that could put peoples lives in jeopardy. But i do understand the frustration that people feel with an outofcontrol border, where we havent been able to get control of what is going on. We have had six to 7 million Illegal Immigrants answering and to our country since the president became president , and we have exacerbated a multi decade, multi administration crisis. All right, well i want to change to a different topic now. Today, republican senator nick romney in the Wall Street Journal asking for a donor and your party, big candidates in this race. You, and this latest poll, youre pulling at less than 1 in this poll, really far bow all of the other competitors. Do you think he is talking about you, and would you consider dropping out of the race forts meant it would allow the republican field to consolidate . Look, i just arent in my Campaign Just a little more than a month ago. I was not one of these nationally recognized names he put up on the board. I think we have a very compelling story to tell im the only comp stannic candidate from either party. I think thats an important voice for the Republican Party. On issues like we just arent discussing such as immigration. On other issues that are important for me to be part of the conversation. We heard a great first ten days of fundraising, we raised 1 Million Dollars in ten days. If you extrapolate that over the course of an entire quarter, that is 9 million and our hard money account. We show the committees that were supporting my candidacy have roughly 13 and a half Million Dollars, when you consider the hard money that we also raised. I think it is important for candidates like me to have an opportunity to tell our story, the story of miami, the story of love taxes, of increased wage growth, of the lowest unemployment in america, and one of the majors urban cities drop in homicides. That is something that we should be telling the Republican Party should be i think its important to get candidates an opportunity to have that voice, and by the way, thank you for giving me an opportunity to be on your show right now. This gives me volume to tell the story. On the broader question of what senator romney is saying, which is that, if this field doesnt winnowed, inevitably it would allow donald trump to become a nominee. What do you say to that, directly . What do you say to romney directly . I would say that the field will when down naturally over the next five minutes. I do agree of nothing happens between now and january the former president will be the nominee. I think that is pretty clear. I think many candidates are looking forward to that August 23rd Debate Stage to give an opportunity to tell their stories, to differentiate themselves, because i think we are different as candidates. We extol different priority points, we are ticking late are platforms and a different way and for fashion, and we emphasize different things. Do you think well make it to the debate stage as you just mentioned . I feel confident that we. Will we just uphold that one person in the Fox Business Poll in iowa, which checks the box of a early primary state pool. We are hoping to, and we have pulled out 100 1 in other national im not sure if they will count that are not. I certainly hope they will. We feel good about meeting the Donor Threshold both at the Donor Threshold and aggregates. We do feel we are going to be, there we are working hard to make it there, so that we can, like us a, tell the story of american prosperity in our city that we think can be scaled nationally to carry american prosperity for the maximum number of people. I do want to ask you about one thing that has to do with your home state of florida. As you know, over the last week there has been some new Education Guidelines for the shooting of African American history. It says you them should include instruction about how slaves could used for personal bezan benefit. When asked about this on friday, ron desa s wasnt involved with this but he added, quote, i think that they are probably going to show how some folks eventually parlayed being a blacksmith into things later in life. Do you agree with Governor Ron Desantis . I dont. I cannot imagine how you can extol the virtues of slavery. I think the government shouldve taken that opportunity to demonstrate leadership, and listen, everybody makes mistakes, we all make mistakes in life, and i think that when you do, you have to own up for it. I think the sort of never back down mentality that he has created is a, never admit you made a mistake mentality, and i think that is wrong. I think this is clearly something he shouldve reversed, and i actually think he wouldve been celebrated for the. I think if you what i came out and said, look at minimum stake, or this wasnt reflect my values, or the states values, i think people would have been very happy to hear him take that opportunity. He didnt, and i think unfortunately is very pattern on issues like this that are divisive, and it is not what the Republican Party should stand for. Part of my candidacy is to row the party, focus on attracting hispanics, focus on attracting young people, of people in cities, and certainly grow the party so that you can win in 2024, but also when beyond 2024. As you know, you have to get a majority in congress, you have to get a Majority Incentive to govern. So, it is just not about winning president ial election, it is also about having a vision for this country that unifies his country. I do not think that is unifying, i think frankly, a lot of people feel insulted by air. Thank you soares for your time tonight, sir. Thank, you abby. Back now to our top story, new cnn reporting reveals evidence that jack smith is obtaining in the trump investigation. We are told that witnesses are now being asked a novel Office Meeting in february of 2020. Joining me now is former acting neil he is also the cast neil, thank you for joining us. Trumps mindset as we all know now has been a huge focus for prosecutors in this january six investigation. When we talk about this February 2020 meeting, about Election Security, how do you think that fits into their investigation . I do think it fits and. First of all, i think its kind of sad for the country right now that we are on indictment watch for former president of the United States, and honestly it is feeling like another monday, because i think it really speaks to the widespread nature of Donald Trumps criminal behavior. I think that new story that cnn has just posted about the idea that jack smith is looking not to january six, or the days up to january 6th, but trumps early years believe, starting as early as February 2020, about election integrity, is really important because criminal prosecutors are going to have to show what is called mens rhea in negative criminal intent. Trump intentionally did something. Wrong, and by going back to earlier in the clock starting on February 2020, and then november 20 and december of 20 and january of 21, jack smith is investigating every possible time, which donald trump may have said something about Election Security and the integrity of the election. I may have been told, perhaps, things that would directly contradicts false claims later on in that year. One of the other things, neil, that we are also reporting here at cnn is that vest gaiters have gotten access to thousands of documents connected to Rudy Giulianis team. It was put together to try to find Election Fraud after the 2020 election. Jack smith got access to these documents this week, sunday, how significant could that be for the broader investigation that might go on, even after trump is indicted . All of it is very significant. There is an investigation into donald trump personally, we know that he was named as the target of the investigation by jack smith, the Special Counsel, and theres also investigations into other people. Trump campaign officials, possibly mark meadows, trumps Chief Of Staff, and others. The trump letter mentions three things that he may have violated, and there could be more, but the target letter just names three. Conspiracy to defraud the United States, obstruction of an official proceeding, and a civil rights charge, 18 u. S. C 241. All of those depend on the idea that trump was trying to hide and obfuscate the results of the 2020 election. And, you know, it doesnt take a Rocket Scientist to know that donald trump thought he lost the election. I would be insanity after court after court, republican official after republican official told him that. So i think it is a tough defense, but i think jack smith is exactly right to say hey, that is the defense donald trump is claiming, so i better button up my case before bringing it before a jury. And so that is why you see him investigating every possible alternative, every avenue. What about these other people like giuliani, for example, and folks like john eastman who we had heard so much about and the january 6th hearings. Weve not heard of Target Letters for those individuals. Do you think that, if trump is indicted this, week that he is likely to have codefendants . That this is in fact a conspiracy that jack smith is trying to ledger . Thats a great question, the truth is we dont know. You could see it either way. Target letters are not required to be given, so you could say that the absence of one doesnt mean anything. But on, the other hand, they are generally done with investigations of this magnitude so it could read as potentially significant. I think if i had to rate the tea leaves i would say that jack smith understands that the case against Donald Trumps of the most immediate moment and there is a clock ticking, because trump has already telegrapheds defense. It is not a legal defense, its a defense that says that the Special Prosecutor is biased against me and im going to win the election and terminate the prosecution. Now the Special Counsel regulations under which jack smiths appointed are absolutely an Answer Everything donald trump is saying. I drafted those Special Counsel regulations when i was a young Justice Department staffer and my podcast this week goes into real detail about those regulations and how they work. The most important thing for your viewers to understand is that, what they mean when they are used. And for jack smith it is not the biden Justice Department that as prosecuting donald trump, it is not the Merrick GarlandJustice Department that is investigating donald trump, it is an independent prosecutor of the Justice Department, a non politically person, and that is what Special Counsel regulations provide and that is what we got here. When you hear all that nonsense about bidens after him to try to take down his opponent, just understand that these regulations insulate and jack smith from any political. You have a long history with the Justice Department, you see right now, i think, so much attention on the doj and theyre independents or, perhaps, questions about whether they are independent. One of those comes from republicans about the Hunter Biden Investigation that just concluded. We just learned tonight that the u. S. Attorney who is leading that investigation, david weiss, he agreed to testify at a congressional hearing this fall to explain how he got to the Charging Decision that he did. Is that the right call . Im glad he did. Obviously im not privy to all the details in the investigation, and so on, but in general i would like more transparency in our justice system. And here i think it is really important for viewers to understand that this prosecutor that investigated hunter biden, joe b