and the manhunt for a murderer not going according to plan. dense terrain and brutal heat as police struggle with the search now in its eighth day and new questions about how the killer got away and how another prisoner did pretty much the same thing just a few months ago. police expected to update the situation this afternoon. we'll bring you that when it happens. plus, democrats, you have a problem. new poll numbers painting a bleak picture for president biden's re-election campaign. concerns about his age, his job performance, and new numbers showing one republican with the best chance to beat him. can you guess who it is? we're following these developing stories and many more all coming in right here to "cnn news central." rescuers in turkey are rushing to save an american trapped deep inside a cave. mark dickey is more than 3,000 feet below the earth's surface. 300 stories. the 40-year-old is an experienced caving instructor who was part of a research team in the morca valley, the third deepest cave in turkey. the hungarian cave rescue service says dickey suffered gastrointestinal bleeding and now needs to be carried out of that cave on a stretcher. officials say the rescue operation could take days. cnn's eleni giokos is following the story for us today. i wonder, deep underground here. do we know the status of the rescue at this point? >> yeah, i mean, look, it's ongoing. but i want you to picture this. a logistical and technical challenge 3,300 feet below the surface. in a cave where you've got narrow passages, very difficult terrain to navigate. for a very experienced caver it would take on a good day 15 hours to get to the surface. let's take you back to when mark dickey fell ill. six days ago he suffered gastrointestinal bleeding. he's received six units of blood. so this already has been on the go a few days now. 150 rescuers are currently there to try and assist, including rescue teams from the united states. overall we're seeing the message incoming using a stretcher is an option. but again, that is very difficult. it's very tricky and absolutely complex. he's currently stable. he's able to walk on his own. but if you know anything about caving, you need to be physically and mentally ready for such a huge journey out of the ground. even though with that kind of experience, he's been caving for over 20 years, his medical condition is not one that will allow him to get to the surface without this kind of assistance. overall i want you to imagine this. the empire state building. i want you to times that by three. that is how deep he is underground. there are various base camps under the surface, and we know that he's at one of the base camps right now. and in fact, in terms of commun commun communications, jim, they have to go close to the surface to communicate with people above the ground to get rigging assistance, technical teams, medical assistance, to try to figure out the best way forward. this could take days. >> eleni, do we know what exactly he was doing down there, what kind of research he was conducting? >> yeah, he was co-leading a team of researchers. and he usually does this around the world. he was trying to find a new route under this cave. now, you've got to remember, this is the third deepest cave in turkey. it's a hot spot for cavers to try and figure out terrain. and generally, this kind of research is important in understanding the dynamics of caves. that's all we know right now in terms of what he was trying to do. but he was with very experienced cavers. this was very meticulously planned. and of course someone like him with this kind of experience falling ill is absolutely the scariest, worst case scenario that could be occurring. the good thing is here, jim, that he knows exactly what he's in for in terms of trying to get out of this cave. >> 3,300 feet. it's not a straight line on the way up. eleni giokos, thanks so much. boris. >> we want to now introduce you to someone who knows mark dickey. emar mirza is an instructor for the national cave rescue mission. he's also an editor for the manual of u.s. cave rescue techniques. thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. we're sorry your friend is caught in this situation. what can you tell us about this care and the challenges now getting out of it? >> so obviously, he's very deep down in the cave. 1,000 meters, or 3,300 feet doesn't sound like it's that far in, except that that's going mostly straight down over a series of pitches where you have to have very highly technical rope skills. it's similar to climbing el capitan times two or three times. plus there's the horizontal caving that you have to do that's very tight over rugged terrain. you're crawling through hundreds and hundreds of feet of places where your chest and back -- it's extremely tight. physically demanding. and it's wet and cold. >> yeah, i can imagine. you were describing the conditions inside the cave. it obviously doesn't help matters that he has fallen ill. are you in communication with anyone on the ground there as far as his status is concerned now? >> not directly. they had very limited cell service basically until a little bit ago they did not have any cell service out in that area. but the national coordinator, the current national coordinator, gretchen baker, is involved with daily conference calls with some of the rescuers who are on site. >> anmar, i know that he was there on a research mission but i'm wondering what is it that drives someone so deep into the ground into such treacherous conditions? >> well, it's a combination of factors. obviously, there's the physical and mental challenge of it. you're doing something that very few people can do. but it's also these deep caves like this, they have unique microorganisms in them. they have unique features in them. finding out where the water path goes through the mountain is valuable. and then there's the element of competition of what is the deepest cave. currently the deepest cave in the world is over 2,200 meters deep. so finding the deepest cave in your country and pushing those to those greater and greater depths carries a lot of prestige -- within the community. in addition to the valuable information we get back from the research. >> yeah, it really is a fascinating field and such an interesting and demanding hobby or craft. how would this sort of rescue compared to some of the other famous wurngsz i'm thinking of the thai football team that was trapped in a cave a few years ago, or chilean miners as well? >> from the standpoint of difficulty, the physical difficulty in this cave would match similar to something like the thai rescue with the exception that the thai rescue was diving versus your open air caving. something along the lines of the chilean mine rescue, that's actually a very different situation because all of the activity, especially in the early part of the rescue, was happening out on the surface and where they were trying to drill in to find them. so in this case the bulk of the actual rescue activity as far as evacuating mark out is going to be happening underground where the aboveground folks are supporting that effort to the best that they can. they're especially doing that with very limited information. >> anmar mirza, we appreciate your perspective. we hope you get to chat with your friend mark very soon. >> thank you. >> of course. brianna? eight days, at least five sightings, four schools closed, and still a killer is on the run in pennsylvania and has stayed a step ahead of authorities. investigators say a resident spotted danelo cavalcante in a creek bed on tuesday about 2 1/2 miles from the chester county prison he escaped from a week ago today. yesterday authorities released security footage detailing just how the five-foot-tall murderer used his legs and arms to crab walk up two walls in the exercise yard and reach the roof and then push past razor wire to escape. people in the area are understandably nervous about having such a violent krim on the loose. he is serving time for stabbing his girlfriend 38 times, killing her in front of her young children. >> especially for a person to be on the loose for so long and it's so hot and you would think he would surface. he's got to have some skill set i guess in hiding. but hopefully he gets found too. >> cnn's danny freeman is in westchester, pennsylvania which is near the prison for us. so danny, you're hearing from the murder victim's sister. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right, brianna. we had a chance to speak with the sister of debra brandao. that is the woman who was brutally murdered by danelo cavalcante back in 2021. and that's really how this all started. that was the crime that landed cavalcante in the chester county prison behind me. i'll get to some of that sound in a moment. but brianna, i want to start here with just describing some of that truly stunning video that we first got about 24 hours ago. because it's worth mentioning exactly how this escape happened. it's been one of the big questions. and as you can see, this video released by local law enforcement. cavalcante put his hands up one wall, his legs up against the other and crab-walked all the way up to the roof. and brianna, it didn't stop there. law enforcement officials say he ran across the roof, he pushed through multiple layers of barbed wire and that was ultimately how he was able to escape. another note, brianna, is law enforcement said the tower guard did not see or report the escape at the time and that's potentially why cavalcante had an hour almost of a head start once he left the prison grounds. brianna, another important note to mention here is four months ago, back in may, there was another prison escape that law enforcement officials say basically mirrored the one that happened just last week. prison officials say they took steps to try and prevent future escapes after that may escape, but obviously that did not work. now, i want to get to that sound from the sister of debra brandao because it just showcases not only the fear that's generally in this community but the fear from, again, the family of the victim who was at the center of this cavalcante case. >> desperate. desperate. very scared. i thought about my children, obviously. i haven't slept for many days. since then i have been waking up with fright at night. i nap and wake up with fright. >> reporter: so again, you can hear right there, brianna, a lot of fear as this manhunt enters day eight. so the big question is where is cavalcante? police are still searching the area. the area that they're searching keeps expanding as well. we were driving around recently and we did see a police helicopter flying pretty low to the east of longwood gardens. it's a botanical garden nearby we were talking about earlier in the week. we have a press conference, brianna, coming up at 3:00 p.m. with local law enforcement. we plan to ask about that police activity and any recent sightings or clues to help capture this escaped inmate. brianna. >> we'll be staying tuned for that. danny, thank you for the very latest there. jim? >> let's speak to lenny depaul. he's a former commander for the u.s. marshal's service. lenny, good to have you here. as you know, the last sighting about 2 1/2 miles from the chester county prison. what level of confidence do you have that the authorities know the area he's currently in? is it possible he's outside that area? >> anything's possible. and good afternoon, jim. it speaks volumes that once he got out of the prison he didn't go far in the past eight days. i mean, two miles. the perimeter that's set up, they're pretty confident that he's still inside. human instincts have turned into animal instincts. desperate people do desperate things. he's breaking into homes now. he's tired. i'm sure he's sleeping with one eye open. it's 95 degrees. the bugs are biting. it's tough. from what i understand. and speaking to a couple of guys that are down range, it's a thick terrain. it's tough to get over. he's five foot -- i think he's five foot, 120 pounds. apparently he's -- sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. >> you mentioned the extreme heat, and it's record-breaking heat in the northeast right now. how would that specifically complicate the search for authorities, and how would it -- as you mentioned, it makes it difficult for the escapee as well. >> well, he hit the ground running. it's a force multiplier. they've got the u.s. marshal's service there. they're the best in the business at finding people. it's going to affect like canines. bloodhounds. they do the appropriate assets in place. aviation support. the drones are flying and whatnot, which is not affected by heat. but you know, the dogs, i know that's an issue. they're valuable. but if it's 95 degrees, they're limited as well. and as well as the men and women that are down range trying to find this guy. they're vested up. they're wearing -- in full battle regalia, if you will, boots and whatnot. it's a little difficult. i think it's a matter of time. the big question is, jim, what's his mindset? once that noose starts tightening and that perimeter, they get a bead on this guy, is it suicide by cop? does he throw his hands up? does he get into a house and is it a barricaded house or hostage situation? you have to act appropriately and hopefully this thing gets put to bed without incident, jim. >> no question. dangers lurk. let me ask you this, just looking back for a moment. because when you look at this video, we can call it up again, of him at first crabwalking his way up the wall of one entry way. but then he was able to make his way through i believe two sets of barbed wire. and this particular prison had an escape a number of weeks before. what does that tell you about the security in this prison? >> well, the warden's got some work to do. yeah-i think a month or so ago the other escapee pretty much mirrored like you said earlier, you know, what he did. so were they in conversation? he's back in custody. i don't think he was out there more than an hour. but i'm hoping somebody had a conversation with him to see if in fact he talked to this guy. they've got some work to do in the prison. he did get out. he was out there for a little while before they even recognized he was gone. it's an intense manhunt right now. and like i said, it's a full court press. hopefully this will end, you know, peacefully. >> yeah, that delay you mentioned gave him time to move, put some distance between himself and the prison. lenny depaul, good to have you on. thanks so much. >> thank you, jim. >> boris. >> ahead, voters delivering a scathing message to president biden in a new cnn poll out today. the numbers showing democrats have a serious dilemma. and it's giving one specific republican a big opening in next year's election. plus, he's flying people into space, reinventing the auto industry, taking over social media companies. and now reportedly playing a unique role in russia's invasion of ukraine. why tech billionaires elon musk is asking how am i in this war? 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there doesn't seem to be one. >> yeah. in fact, that was asked. and if you give people the opportunity to name who they want, very often they won't give you a name. there is not an obvious second candidate on the horizon. and that's one of the reasons why democrats have said look, we're going to stick with the only person we have who has beaten donald j. trump for the presidency. in the end as joe biden will tell you you're not voting for the almighty. you're voting against the alternative. and that is the core of the matter from democrats' perspective. >> yeah. what do you think? >> i think that evan's right, that when you talk to voters they don't name one particular person over and over again. you'll hear gretchen whitmer thrown out or amy klobuchar. but there's not a consensus candidate for voters at all. i think that look, the white house is very aware, the campaign is very aware that they need to be out there in full force addressing people's enthusiasm gap when it comes to biden, concerns about his age, concerns about the ticket overall which, you know, some of the voters that voted for him in 2020, republicans or republicans that turned independents, i've talked to some of them in swing states and they've said that they are concerned about vice president kamala harris as his second running mate but they understand that that is the ticket and that if it were between him and trump or him and ron desantis that they are going to vote for biden again. >> between him and her, between him and harris, how would they feel? do you ever ask them that? what do they say? >> i do. those republicans voters would not want to vote for harris. they would prefer a different candidate. but right now they say that they are going to vote for the biden-harris ticket because when it's between biden and harris or trump and whichever running mate he picks or a desantis and whichever running mamt he would pick, they choose the democrats, which is striking because these are people that were bush and mccain republicans, people who maybe wrote in mitt romney, but they say their ultimate decision comes down to the threats to democracy and the fact there was an insurrection. >> so let's talk about the big concern, and it's that biden, while he has beat trump, is old. and he knows this. he talks about this. age the biggest concern here. nearly half of democratic and dem-leaning voters say president biden, that is their biggest concern for him. 49%. and then the other concerns are pretty small. it's really the age one that gets him. mental sharpness, health, ability to do the job. but those are single digits. he can't change his age, evan. so what can he do? >> he's sort of running against two big headwinds. if you look at these numbers, you see that inflation is still a hangover for him. even though numbers have come down, people feel it in their daily lives, and that still poses a challenge. the white house and his political advisers think that gets better for him over the next 14 months. but as you say, brianna, look, age isn't going to get better over the next 14 months. the only thing -- and this is what campaigns are for. is that he will begin to focus people's attention on the alternative, which is the idea of a second trump presidency, a candidate after all who is facing 91 criminal charges. and this is a big one. the possibility of a republican presidency wrapped around a position on abortion that is wildly unpopular with americans. that from democrats' perspective is a huge piece of the puzzle. >> let's deal with the legal perils piece that trump is facing here because the biden's -- you see on the right they're trying to really cloud the situation for president biden with hunter biden. right? they're trying to draw some sort of equivalence here, at least confuse people a little bit. the biden white house's strategy when it comes to hunter biden has mostly been to remain silent. but we have previous cnn reporting that advisers in the administration, they've even been afraid to bring up this subject with the president. and i wonder if what you're hearing from people, if they actually have concerns that this is becoming a liability for the president where it shouldn't be when he's up against someone who, you know, has been indicted four times. >> the democrats on the hill that i talked to are not concerned about it. they say that there has been no evidence that has been found so far. and there hasn't been. republicans will even admit that themselves. that there is no evidence that connects president biden to his son's business dealings. did hunter have wrongdoings? yes. and he is we know going to be indicted soon again. but democrats on the hill aren't as concerned. voters that i've talked to including some of those swing voters say that that's not something they're necessarily paying attention to right now. if somehow evidence materializes then yeah, they say that that may change their vote. >> what do you think? this isn't a situation where democrats should worry that republicans are being able to draw an equivalence? >> what you see in the numbers is interesting. it maps almost exactly onto his overall approval ratings. meaning if you're somebody who doesn't like joe biden you're probably somebody who thinks that there may be something connected to the hunter biden case. in the end if hunter biden was running for president he'd have a problem. but until democrats -- and republicans i should say come up with evidence that links these two together, that is more of an issue on the right than it is really for voters more broadly. >> he is not running for president, to be clear. evan, laura, thank you so much to both of you. jim? >> he is of course a powerful tech billionaire. and one of his technologies is impacting the war in ukraine. a new book offers fresh details about elon musk's unique role in that war. plus the blame game growing over the deadly wildfires in hawaii. the lawsuit against hawaiian electric is now expanding. we're going to have new details just ahead. it, who do you even play for? 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starlink was not meant to be involved in wars. it was so people could watch netflix and chill and get online for school and do good peaceful things, not drone strikes." joining me now is cnn media analyst and senior reporter for axios sarah fisher. these are really surprising details coming out in this biography of elon musk. he seems to relish and enjoy the amount of power that he has but in this specific instance of ukraine he seems frustrated by it. >> incredibly frustrated. and there's two aspects that are driving that. the first is that he really doesn't want these technologies to be used for war. he says that they were meant to help people get connected to watch netflix and do entertainment, not to be used by armies, relied on by armies to propagate war. and then the other frustration is that for a long time elon musk's starlink, which is a subdivision of his space company sp spacex, was footing the bill to offer this connectivity to ukraine. there's been a lot of reporting in the past few weeks that suggests musk and the u.s. government have brokered deals so that the government both here and in europe can start to pay for some of that satellite service to aid the ukrainian army. but this is a big example of how elon musk has inadvertently sort of inserted himself into this massive war effort in europe. >> and sara, you mentioned the deal that was reportedly brokered between musk and the u.s. government. before that there was some very public disagreements that he had on x or twitter about the pentagon paying for starlink access for ukraine. he obviously in this reporting has serious contacts with senior members of the kremlin. is the u.s. government at all concerned about his influence in those circles or their influence on him perhaps? >> they're absolutely concerned. and i think one of the reasons that they want to get involved here is not just to make sure that the ukrainian government has the access but also to bring the responsibility of when it gets turned on and turned off to the u.s. government and out of elon musk's hands. the concern in that cnn exclusive report is that elon musk can himself unilaterally just turn off access at any point. in the particular report that we talk about today he had instructed engineers to turn off the ukrainian access as they were heading into a front in crimea, which is already a heavily contested area. and so the u.s. government does not want there to be a third party, someone who's not involved in our national security decisions, to have the ability to make those kinds of calls in the split second. >> so the reporting is that musk was concerned that if ukraine carried out this attack russia would launch a nuclear response against ukraine. do we know whether kyiv has made specific overtures to musk to try to sway him and his leanings in this conflict? >> i mean, they've been making these overtures for many months now. you have to recall the whole reason why starlink is available in ukraine is because the ukrainian digital minister reached out to elon musk privately and then publicly on x, which was then called twitter, begging him to get involved. so they have long been very public about wanting him to ensure that the connectivity stays. the challenge, though, we're seeing this play out in this cnn exclusive today, is that no matter how much they beg elon musk is going to feel divided. remember, his empire expands to so many different places around the world. he's used to working -- having to work with autocracies, whether that's russia or building factories for tesla in china. so he's in a very compromised position here and i don't know to what extent it's going to look like moving forward other than the fact the u.s. government is now a lot more involved than it used to be. >> yeah. sara fischer, thanks so much for giving us perspective on this cnn exclusive reporting. we appreciate it. brianna? 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>> possible i think is the key word here. donald trump's attorney just filed with fulton county superior court saying president trump hereby notifies the court that he may seek removal of his prosecution to federal court. the attorney notes they have to file a notice of removal within 30 days of the arraignment. so it seems that they're basically getting on the board to keep their options on the table. not knowing all the way in at this point -- >> because they want to see? >> i think they want to see how this works out for mark meadows, former white house chief of staff, who's trying to move his case to federal court. made hours of arguments in front of a judge, put in filings in front of a judge. we're still waiting on that federal judge to rule. if you're donald trump's team, you want to see what works or maybe what doesn't work for mark meadows before you put in all your own paperwork. >> i believe we have renato mariotti with us as well. renato, you and i have talked about this multiple times on the meadows attempt to move this as well as the judge's comments on this as he asked for briefs from both sides. what's your latest thinking as to whether this will be a successful push by defendants here including the former president to move it? and is his case more or less likely to be moved? >> so i think, you know, it's really i think a very similar calculus as to meadows. i think he has a lesser chance. meadows has the best argument because he can -- it's easier for meadows to characterize what he was doing as giving advice to the president as part of his official duties. whereas obviously donald trump was out there doing all sorts of things. and he's much more of a political figure and a lot of what he was doing could be more fairly characterized as political rather than him acting purely in his governmental duties as president of the united states. after all, the president of the united states has no role in regulating local administration of elections. and so i think what he was doing here strategically is they were letting meadows go first. meadows is taking this calculated risk. and they wanted to see how that was going to proceed. now they're not committing themselves, but if meadows happens to be successful then trump i think will at least try or go down the path of making that calculated -- that risk on his own part. of course the risks are much higher for him. >> and just for folks at home who aren't lawyers, the essential test here is whether this push in georgia to challenge and eventually in trump's hopes overturn the results, the question is whether that fell under his or her duties as a federal official? >> that's right. were you acting -- were you a federal official acting under color of law, were you acting in your duties as a federal official? or in the case of some of these other people who are trying to argue -- who weren't federal officials, john eastman and so on, the argument is they were acting under the direction of -- they were essentially tasked by a federal official. but in this case obviously both trump and meadows were federal officials. for meadows it's easier for him because his role is more limited in this scheme. it's easier for him to characterize this as merely giving advice to the president, which was his actual job. a little harder, considerably harder i should say, for donald trump. >> and just to be clear, can you -- does it matter if what you're trying to do ain't right? if you're a federal o'firfficia hey, i'm trying to steal someone's house. whatever it is. the argument is he was trying to steal an election. does the quality of what you were doing matter to the judgment here? >> well, it matters -- it certainly can matter factually, depending on what you did. obviously, for example, federal officials are not authorized as part of their job duties to commit crimes. but for example, here part of what is working against the d.a. a little bit is she had a very wide-ranging indictment in which she scooped up a lot of activity as part of this racketeering scheme, this rico scheme. so there's a number of acts that are listed in the indictment that are not themselves criminal. so that was what the judge has been mulling over. if there are pieces of this scheme which are under the color of law, are part of his duties, is that enough. and you know, this is not the sort of case that comes along all the time, jim. so the judge i think is seriously weighing this without a lot of precedent out there where, you know, this is happening on a regular basis and the judge can just look at what other courts have done. >> understood. sara murray, before we go? >> yeah, just to renato's point, the way that meadows' attorneys viewed what was available to him as a defense under his role was so broad that his attorney actually pointed out if he went out and shot someone in lafayette square park that would not be under the color of his duty as white house chief of staff. that's where he drew the line, essentially, when they were in this hearing before the federal judge. it gives you an idea of sort of how widely they think his behavior was permissible as white house chief of staff. >> well, it's good they set that limit at least. can't shoot someone in lafayette park. we'll see what the judge decides. sara murray, renato mariotti, thanks so much. boris. >> still ahead, the boss begs off. bruce springsteen won't be on stage anytime soon because of a health scare. we have the latest on his condition when we come back. meet the future. a chef. a designer. and, ooh, an engineer. all learning to save and spend their money with chase. the chef's cooking up firsts with her new debit card. hungry? 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>> yeah. brianna, it can be really pifl. peptic ulcer disease is when you get sores in the lining of your stomach and i was just talking with a doctor about this, cause hoarseness if acid goes into your throat and affecting somebody like bruce springsteen significantly, if that's what's happening. it happens when the protective layer of mucus in the stomach gets damaged. people think about ulcers caused by things like coffee or stress, that is not what causes these things. the main causes are a bacteria as well as a use of a lot of painkillers. those are things like aspen, na prox ein, aleve, motrin or advil and prescriptions like celebrex. there's a burning pain you get at night or between meals. that pain goes away when you eat or takant acidings and can come with bloating, heartburn, nausea and heart burn. it's something that requires a lot of monitoring >> what is the treatment? and how long will it be before he might be feeling better? >> you can be treated with antacids and for the bacteria it's treated with antibiotics. it takes a few weeks for these to hauleal up, but it can reocc. other painkillers like tylenol don't contribute to the stomach ulcers. quit smoking if you smoke and drink alcohol in moderation because those can contribute to raising the risk of stomach ulcers. >> hopefully we will see him back at it and pain-free soon. thanks for telling us all about that. boris? 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