nearly 60% of americans believe that biden has made the economy worse. in a minute, james carville joins me to react to all of that. first, here's another case of how some democrats are spinning today. >> let's not forget, donald trump has three fewer candles on his birthday cake than joe biden. he also has 91 more criminal counts on his record than joe biden. >> if, a year from now, these numbers are the same, and this were a referendum, he would be in deep trouble, he would not when that. >> joe biden has incredible record to run. i will note that this poll has a margin of error of 6% when you are talking about democrats. >> if jim messina says we are bed-wetters, invest in pampers and depends. because a lot of people are terrified that joe biden is in real trouble. >> joining me now is former league strategist for bill clinton's 1992 presidential campaign. and the coast co-host of politics war room. james carville himself. james, thank you for being here. these polls seem to get at the elephant in the room when it comes to president biden. for voters, it is his age that they're concerned about, his mental acuity, his health. what does that tell us? >> i guess to say the least that the polls are not great. it tells us that voters are expressing some apprehension here. it's pretty clear. there is not much else you can see when you look at it. i guess, the best thing you can say is if anything it worked for trump, but, there is the apprehension out there that that's undeniable. but on the other hand, i point out, -- lost an election since the dobbs decision. it was supposed to lose in november, we didn't, so, i don't know. the polling that i have seen or anybody else has seen is not very good. i think -- jim messina said democrats -- bed-wetting but my wife would tell me to change to robert sheets. >> are you saying, then, that you are worried, that you think the democrats should be taken this more seriously? >> it's typically and the august or september before the election win the numbers went up are starting to move a little bit -- president president clinton's -- president obama. but you can't look at this and not say that you are concerned. to me -- to come on television and say i don't find this alarming troubling at all would be stupid. i wouldn't do that. >> look, the one thing that president biden cannot changes his age. so, in that case, what do democrats do? i'm sure you hear it as well. there are a lot of democrats who are maybe in their minds but at the dinner parties or that you, they're planning for someone else. are you hearing any real talk about another strategy here for the democratic party's age is one of those things that we cannot take off the table when it comes to president biden? >> honestly, i hear a lot of top -- any of it is substantial. with the cnn poll had a brouhaha but -- went very good either. this is been going on for a while now. if i tell you that people were not nervous, of course i'm sure the white house knows this, by the way. they don't need to be told that the president has an age problem. >> you've talked in the past about the deep and to the democrats have. do you think that should be unleashed in 2024? >> well, the number of crowds democrats and myself included really like president biden, a lot of them think he's done a good job, he's help them a lot, he's a very popular person with people. but, it depends on what happens here. it doesn't get any better, people are going to gets pretty shaky. >> it depends on what. are you saying it depends on how biden affairs against trump in the coming months, and at what point were democrats need to start making some choices? >> harold mcmillon macmillan said, events, dear boy. events. -- continue to -- that income start to inch ahead of the cbs, starting to do that now. but you are right. i have said there is a big -- there's much talk in the party about seeing the party had in my life i meant to be honest with you i will be 79 in october. so, there is a long and deep bench out there. >> you brought up the economy a couple of times, and i do want to get at this here. so, everybody knows, you coined this phrase, the economy, stupid. and i'd like to remind folks that the economy is objectively speaking improving. however, you look at the poll numbers, president biden's approval ratings are not good on this front. 58% believe his policies have worsened economic conditions and that has gone up by eight points since last fall. the white house's argument is that, if things continue to get better, this is going to be easier to message around, but the economy is getting better, and the numbers are getting worse. so, what now? >> -- would say. the clinton numbers and reagan was like a two party, 2% in august of 1983. he won reelection easily. clinton was, i don't know, 40 -- 45 or whatever. september of 1995, when he won reelection easily. so, the white house is saying, pretty clearly, that, as it takes hold, it will improve. it had improved. and i think part of the problem is why inflation is coming down, people feel -- still, it's high. you can't win an argument if people -- hardest thing to do in all of politics, when you are incumbent, and objectively you have the statistics to say, it's clearly getting better, but people don't feel it when you tell them it's getting better, they think you don't understand their lives. >> so, james, i'm going to ask you to put your pundit hat on for a second here. right? take your pundit hat off, or put it on. if democrats do need to find a challenger, to face whoever is on the republican side, and it's not president biden, just put the pundit hat on, who do you think is the best name out there that you have seen? >> every time that i give a list i forget someone. >> not a list. a name. a name. >> what i would say is, well -- it doesn't matter what i think. it matters what democratic voters think. >> fair enough. -- james carville, as always. >> i don't mind you asking me questions. but you will get a tooth out of my mouth before you get a name. thank you so much. >> tonight, the seemingly endless trump stream of donald trump loyal lust loyalists -- jury convicting former white house aide peter navarro of contempt of congress. he's joining another trump advisor, steve bannon, after they both of you to cooperate for january six investigation. those to join all the allies who were charged in the russia investigation from paul manafort, to roger stone, and don't forget of course, michael cohen, or the cfo of trump's empire, or the head of his committee, or the mar-a-lago aids in the documents case. of course, the 18 codefendants who are currently charged alongside him in the state of georgia. speaking of georgia, trump's lawyers are now signaling that they may ask to move his case to federal court. joining me now on all this, is atlanta trial lawyer and rico expert, joshua schiffer. joshua, trump officially now has notified the courts that he may, emphasis on may, try to move this case from the state level to the federal level. they're not going all the way, but can you just tell us your what are the advantages of moving this case out of georgia? >> out of georgia is unlikely, but moving it from the state court to the federal courts is something that we are actually already watching people like mark meadows do, with the assumption that a different jury pool, it would be a more broad jury pool not limited to just fulton county but a ten county area of kind of the north metro atlanta universe. that would be a more broad jury pool theoretically more conservative. it would also be less politically spicy, you could say, a federal trial wouldn't have the transparency that fulton county indicates it would. it would turn down the temperature, and federal courts, under the very honorable stephen jones, a. federal judge appointed by president obama, it's a little bit less austere and formal than a state court proceeding. that's going to be an advantage to the defense as we expect the president and the other codefendants to bring forward. >> as you alluded to there, potentially cameras in the georgia court system, no cameras in the federal court system, that's a huge difference for somebody like trump. but, you also pointed this out, mark meadows as always started down this. protests trump's team potentially want to see how this works out for mark meadows first before themselves finding out, saying definitively if they want to move it in federal court? >> absolutely, abby. that's precisely why they use that specific may language. we know judge jones is in a complex trial, it was this weekend predicted to go into next week, all while waiting for his ruling on the meadows removal petition that was heard on a prior monday. that is a big issue, because if it goes for meadows, maybe it's going to go for some of the other codefendants. now, the court would have to look at those individuals one by one, but then there's the argument that's what good for one would be good for all of them and the difficulties in severing the various defendants. but, we also recognize that what's mark meadows and possibly president trump and others are going to ask judge jones to do, is not very likely. traditionally, the federal courts and federal system differs state criminal prosecutions to the states. the states are the ones that have to take care of criminal actions within their borders as sovereign states. the federal government should only come in under very specific delineated situations. >> fulton county d.a. fani willis is pushing back against house republicans here in washington, who are trying to investigate how she has handled this fulton county indictment. in a letter to chairman jim jordan, a close trump ally by the way, willis accuses jordan of trying to, quote, interfere with an active criminal case. she argues, that your job description as a legislature legislator does not include criminal law enforcement, nor does it include supervising a criminal trial because you believe that doing so will promote your partisan political objectives. she goes on to say, it's clear you lucky basic understanding of the law. these. our wheel sharp words from fani willis. and she seems to be trying to say to jim jordan that she is not afraid to fight back here. >> you are being far too kind with the push. that was a lot more than a push, rarely do we see that strong language in something like this, a published letter that's going to be consumed by the community involving high-profile litigation. anybody that's ever sat and spoken with miss willis knows that that was her voice in that letter. you can literally hear her dictation of the terms, the mannerisms she uses, and what she did in that letter, similar to what alvin bragg did when jim jordan kind of pulled the same letter stunt investigation stands and the new york case, what's fani willis did is pick a part his entire argument, as well on top of that supplement it with arguments against and regarding other issues that are going to be coming up in the case. she even goes as far as to include arguments about, hey, fulton county, the only power you have as a congress person is over federal budgeting. look at how we spend our federal budgets. look at these programs. it was a full attack and throw did response. it was very powerful, and i think she ends up in a better position at the end of the day. >> well, as you said, it's not the first time we've seen jim jordan try something like this. we know that a lot of, it, frankly is aimed i did audience expecting his allies to defend him in this way. josh schiffer, thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much. >> and new reporting just in, that rudy giuliani owes millions of dollars in unpaid legal bills. hear what he is doing tonight to try and raise that money. plus, all the republican candidates, nikki haley is now firing the best against president biden in the hypothetical matchup. we'll discuss that as well. and, the liberal mayor going off on the white house and congress with a stark warning about the migrant crisis. >> this issue will destroy new york city. than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. let me be direct... you're watching football wrong! what do you call a guy in face paint that can't get the game? 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he is going to act in hand these donors banking begging for money. >> there's some real problems. look, on the one hand, he's lost his ability to make a living as a lawyer. on the other hand, he apparently, by all accounts, has continued kind of living in the high style private planes, lots of travel, state dinners, lots of cigars, and membership in clubs and so forth. and it's not insignificantly, he just had a pretty ugly divorce with his third wife. and that put more financial pressure on him. so, would you giuliani has done about everything you can do to put yourself in the whole. and we will see if he fights his way back. one thing we are thinking about, for example, abby -- maybe he will use that to create a fund raising operation rather than just paying off your lawyers, and create some kind of ongoing enterprise or effort to try and go raise money for a legal defense fund. i think he is going to need more than just a couple of million dollars to get out of this whole. >> yeah, and that's basically what one of his attorney said tonight here on cnn in the previous hour. it's going to need a lot of money. he's going up here against the state and against a lot of huge corporations and multiple defamation lawsuits. errol louis, good to see you, as always. >> thanks, abby. and new york's mayor says the -- a new york congressman response to that next. plus, a developing story out of the entertainment world. jimmy fallon is now apologizing to tonight's show staff. what he's accused of doing -- that's coming up. what do we always say, son? 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>> mayor adams is doing what he has to do. he is fighting to get the funding and the help of the city of new york needs to get through this crisis. i do not think it'll destroy the city, in fact, i look at it from another perspective, that's every crisis also brings great opportunities. these folks want to work and our economy needs them. the private sector needs them. agriculture needs them around the country, construction needs them. they're here and willing to work, and that's what they're going to do, they don't want to be a load on government, they want to be productive to the economy and i think we should embrace that. >> your colleague says, in response to all this, that there are solutions that to this problems, but she says that adam's problem is alienating people. some people accused him as demonizing immigrants, and not just addressing the funding issue he wants to get help with. >> i am a friend of the mayor. he is a fighter, and he is fighting for the city of new york. i could identify with that, i consider myself to be a fighter for the city of new york, and we have to join forces to ensure we get the resources that we need, to get the work permits. i think, abby, that this is something that could be resolved if we allow venezuelans to get an extended tps, temporary protective status, that they already have, but it was cut off years back. if we get extended, they have the right to work relatively soon. in addition to that, i think folks should come in and apply for asylum simultaneously for the work permit. if we can reduce the time they're waiting to get work permits, we get them out of the workforce, and they become productive new yorkers. that should be our effort. >> why does the mayor not just say that, rather than escalating the rhetoric in this way? >> i think he is fighting for the citizens of new york, and there is a budget impact in all of this, obviously, and we are trying to get these folks to work. today, 20,000 of so young children went to school, and the federal money follows the kids wherever they go. so, the federal government is doing some things. we are going back to washington next week. we're doing a supplemental soon. in that supplemental, we should have additional help for the city of new york, the state of new york, and the country that's carrying the load of the migrants are coming to our nation. >> you make an important point that there are other parts of the country, not just new york carrying this load. democrats, your party, has consistently supported this idea that migrants should be able to seek refuge here. is it fair, then, to say that -- some people in your party don't fully appreciate how challenging implementing that can be. if new york city is buckling under the weight of this, what about other places along the border that have been dealing with this for years? >> more migration is not a new dynamic. in fact, it is a global dynamic. everywhere from ellis island to migration that we see from people that get on boats, actually, and cross over to florida and other parts of the country have been with us for decades this is not new. in many ways it is a sign foreigner glut of the rest of the hemisphere for decades and now it is showing up at our doorstep. so, the nation that we -- the valleys of our nation are rested on certain principles. and one of them is that people that are seeking asylum because of violence, because of natural disasters or other kinds of crises, should be able to come up and make their case. now, we have difficulties here in new york city because we're not getting the funding, but primarily because the migrants do not have the right to work. i think that should be the goal of everyone, including the mayor, to get these migrants out and working as quickly as possible. i think everybody, whether democrats or republicans support that they come in and they're productive residents of new york city, they will be welcome. so, let's do that. >> all right, we will see what happens there. congressman, adriano espaillat, thank you very much. >> thank you, abby. >> only one republican candidate now is hypothetically beating president biden in cnn 's new poll. but there is one problem for nikki haley. she has got to break out of the primary battle first. one of her biggest endorsers joins me next. with the freestyle libre 2 system, know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle libre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us we moved out of the city so our little sophie could appreciate nature. but then he got us t-mobile home internet. i was just trying to improve our signal, so some of the trees had to go. i might've taken it a step too far. 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what's your take on what's happening here? >> we did talk about it, abby, she walked in, i said, congratulations on the pole poll -- by not the way we're of margin but by a comfortable 49 to 43. america is just seeing what i've known about nikki haley since she if the political arena in 2005. she's electric, she's got vision, yet she's got compassion and a way of communicating to people. it's evident. today was standing room only. people drove for hours. we were with her last week in south carolina. we expected 200 people. they were 900 to 1000 people. the lines wrapped around the building. it doesn't surprise me. she is a great candidate. she will be a great president and she will be our first female president. >> and not to take away from what you're saying here, about what that hypothetical matchup shows, however the latest polling still does show that trump has a massive lead over the rest of the republican field here. nikki haley may be making ground and gains against the other candidates at the bottom of the race, but she's not exactly peeling away voters from trump. >> we've got 425 days before we elect the next president, november 5th, 2024. you will see nikki haley as she has always done. i've been with her when she beat a 30 year incumbent in her state house race in 2005 for governor. she was pulling two or 3%. no one knew her. when she hits the ground, when she talked to people, when she relates her message, that's when she shines. she's going to do the same thing here. >> but is she going to have to take on, address the front runner in the republican field? you know, aggressively here. to show voters that she has an argument against trump himself? >> look, she enjoys competition. she doesn't ask who's and the race. she will compete. she'll do whatever it takes to showcase her beliefs, showcase her vision for the future, and you will see a nikki haley who is like no other candidate that i've ever seen, to be honest with you. so we look on it as competition and she has fared pretty well in every race. she has never lost a race. she's not going to lose this one. >> so haley says she's confident americans won't vote for a convicted felon. she's talking about trump here. but she recently said she would support president trump as the republican nominee, even if he was a convicted felon. how do we square those two things? >> look, abby, she is running against basically kamala harris. i think all the candidates are going to support any of the candidates on the republican ticket who would do better than what joe biden and his administration has done to shipwreck this country -- >> but the question is, okay. go ahead. >> the question is, she's running against the man who has ethical problems. she's running against the man who has derailed this country at every level. why do you think he's got such a low approval rating? people know the country is not better off. they are worried about the future and she is the answer. so she'll take on anybody and you will like what you see. >> with all due respect, congressman, the reason i was trying to get in there was to point out this is a question about donald trump. she was the one who said that the american people can be trusted to not vote a convicted felon into office, and yet she herself said that she would vote for that man who could be a convicted felon. how does that make sense? >> it makes sense because any of the candidates running for president are going to support the republican nominee, any of them. i don't think anybody at the end of the day, whether they admit it now or, not won't support the republican nominee. >> why should voters then not do the same? >> why should voters go with a joe biden who has got ethical issues, he's got problems coming that are just now being uncovered that were never uncovered before the republicans took office. this isn't about donald trump. she's taking on everybody in the republican field. you will see she has opportunities to address everybody, and whenever president trump takes the stage there will be questions. and i'm not going to take the bait that you are saying he's a convicted felon -- >> i'm not saying he is, i'm saying he could be because he is facing for indictments, several of which are federal indictments. >> i will get back. the country is in trouble. she's not running, she's a candidate for president, donald trump happens to be one of her opponents. one of them. and you will see her address every issue with every other candidate. she will be successful. and she will be a president who has -- why do you think she has the poll numbers that she has? >> i want to ask you about this. just a couple of nights ago i spoke to ronald reagan's daughter, patti davis, and she had this to say about nikki haley's critics of president biden and frankly other politicians, older politicians, who are serving in office. >> by the way, nikki haley also made a comment a few days ago, saying that the senate is a nursing home for privileged people, which is a really main thing to say. i just think it's really sad that cruelty has become currency in our political landscape. those are both kind of neon thing to say. what is the point of that? >> is that mean? she's talking about your colleagues on the other side, the other chamber from you. what's your response? >> what nikki haley is talking about, she's telling the truth. anybody that sees mitch mcconnell, who basically passes out. anybody who sees joe biden, who can't read a thank you note from a teleprompter. there should be an age limit, a term limit, in congress, which she is all for, she would also support a cognitive test, which you if you give it to most of them, a lot of the members of the senate they couldn't pass it. but for the leader of the free world to be in the condition he's, in, and the leader of the senate -- it's a problem with a lot of senators and she's telling the truth. is it mean? i will tell you this. what joe biden is doing to the country is more than mean. it's an american. and she's going to call it out like she sees it. and that's what the american people like about nikki haley. she's not going to mince words. >> i wonder, congressman, do you think then that mitch mcconnell should step aside? >> mitch mcconnell has got health issues. he's got a big job. that goes to show. you've got to have some limit. pilots have the age limit of 65, and particularly, in today's world, to get this country out of the shape it is in, it's going to take you, it will take eight years of service as president. and yes, there is an age limit that should be and the house and the senate. because, it's not -- do you really want the leaders, the 535 leaders of the free world passing out on the floor? or the leader of the free world, obviously, not cognitively there. it is unacceptable. the american people deserve better. >> all right, congressman ralph norman, thank you for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> and just in, a chilling warning from the fbi director on the number of russian spies that are currently in the united states. plus, jimmy fallon apologizing to his staff after a bombshell report alleges a toxic workplace at the tonight show. i speak to the reporter who broke that story, next. meets bold new thinking. ♪ at 87 years old, we still see the world with the wonder of new eyes, helping you discover untapped possibilities and relentlessly working with you to make them real. old school grit. new world ideas. morgan stanley. i just found the biggest weight loss hack for ya'll! ♪ the truth is there is no quick fix... ...but there is a more effective way to lose weight and it isn't what you think. it's actually noom. it's two times more effective than doing it on your own. get started right now by taking the noom quiz. every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. they're quitting the kibble. and kicking the cans. and feeding their dogs dog food that's actually well, food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it's smarter, healthier pet food. get 50% off your first box at thefarmersdog.com/realfood scout is protected by simparica trio and he's in it to win it! simparica trio is the first chew with triple protection. whoa fleas! and ticks! 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(soft music) >> just in -- a stark warning tonight from fbi director christopher wray. he says that the number of russian spies operating inside the united states is, quote, way too big. during an appearance at the spy museum in washington, wray says that the russian intelligence threat looms large and, that despite the fbi's continuing efforts to kick the spies out, wray says that, as russia under putin increasingly becomes more of an adversary, going after his spies on american soil gets top level attention. that's it for me and "cnn primetime", "cnn tonight" with laura coates starts right now. >> thanks abby, it's so good to see you. >> you as well -- spike that's a good movie by the way, also. everyone, good evening, i'm laura coates, welcome to cnn tonight. you know what i have been thinking ever since peter navarro was found because what else would you expect when someone gets a congressional subpoena and treated it like it should line a birdcage but he did not testify as he is required to do, he did not provide any documents as he is required to do, he didn't even go there, and then plead the fifth, like other people did. but, remember, we are all old enough, by now, a 5-year-old can be old enough by now to remember how people got away with doing just this, thumbing their nose, running out the clock and hoping that congress would flip to a different party majority, or hoping that the doj would not bother to prosecute these cases, and what? the worst case scenario might be you get a knock on the door from the sergeant at arms? maybe a slap on the wrist? best case scenario, politically, you get a badge of honor that you stuck it to the man. they were more afraid of ignoring the doj criminal subpoena, then a congressional one, and they took their chances, time and again, that the doj would not prosecute you for laughing at a congressional subpoena. you know what else? in the past, that very thought process paid off.
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