Russia with a new push to the white house to try to get paul whelan home. And nasa is set to speak about at the new report about ufos and how the government will study sightings in the future. Im sara sidner with john berman. Kate bolduan is on assignment. This is cnn news central. All right. Breaking news out of Fulton County, georgia. And by the way, you are looking at live pictures from inside of the courtroom before judge George Mcafee and the subversion court case. And now, two of the defendants are about to appear before the judge. You are seeing the live pictures there before our eyes, but donald trump and the rest of the codefendants will be tried separately and later. We will get to zach cohen, and the details of what we are learning so far, zach. Yeah, john, the top line is that donald trump will not be starting his trial in georgia in five weeks alongside at least two of the codefendants Sidney Powell and ken chesebro and trump and two others who said they dont want a speedy trial, and the judge said they can prolong it out longer than the other two who did request a speedy trial. This is the first break of this sprawling conspiracy case in georgia. The District Attorney fani willis has held the position that she wanted to try all 19 codefendants together including trump, but the judge made it clear that wont be happening. So it is interesting to see if there are going to be additional breaks in this order. But it does get the process moving for trump and the 16 who do not have to go to trial starting october. So it is the initiation of the legal process, and as far as trump and the 16 go in georgia, but making clear they wont have to stand trial alongside Sidney Powell and ken chesebro. Zach cohen with that news, but there are two other trials that will start if five weeks. Now, stay with us if you hearing . New. And now, with us is former Trial AttorneyCarolyn Polisi and our also top attorney elie honig, and our home attorney, and i just added that in your title. You can add that any time. And what does this mean . Well, two groups. First one, chesebro and Sidney Powell started in october, and i will be put pag Question Mark if we actually see that, and then another group which is importantly toing to include donald trump. This is two big things. The trial in georgia the one that is televised is way, way, way far out, and likely to be pushed after the 2024 election. And the second thing is that this is a big strategic and Tactical Advantage for donald trump and the other 16, because now they get to sit in the gallery and watch the whole earlier trial and see every government witness and all of the crossexamination, and the documents and make notes and adjust accordingly, and big positive development for donald trump and the other 16. But does it come as a surprise, because even though fani willis wanted to have a sense to lead into this, and they all believed it would happen this soon, and the trial schedule of five weeks from now which is going to be televised and the Pretrial Hearing televised here, and again, in your view, what this means . Well, as elie said, this is not surprising. Fani willis put on a good show maintaining that up to the last minute, she would go to trial with all of the 19 defendants, and she did note that she did a rico case in georgia, the Georgia School officials case where she tried 13 rico defendant, and she can do it. She waited a long time not withstanding pronouncement that the indictments would be imminent, and she got the ducks in a row to go to trial, and now we have two tranches and that may be split up even further, but the issue is timing, and fani willis made it clear that it cannot be the case that three trials are going on simultaneously, and this is the switch of the defendants giving up the speedy trial rights in exchange for Going Forward for the motions for severance, and so this is going to be putting the clock in order, and i would venture to say that i dont know if the october 23rd date is going to hold. Because . Well, mark meadows is going with the appeal in the 7th circuit and moving quickly for that removal issue, but it is murky if all of the defendants would be removed to Federal Court, and if they are successful there, and so that the Double Jeopardy does not attach, and so fani willis had to see this coming, and none of it is surprising, and as criminal Defense Attorney, you are laser focused on the trial, and you to make motions for this, and the Severance Motions are not surprising, and it is not delay tactics, but it is something that every Defense Attorney wants, so she had to see this coming. And normal course. So you both alluded to this, but now could every member of the 17 now say they want their trial separated and will they now that they see this wshg . They can and they will, and now all 17 will want 17 different trials. And that is the dynamic, and the way it is going to play out, and the prosecutors will do what fani willis has said, we will willing to try everyone tomorrow, and that is what the prosecutors do say and will say, and they now want their own trials, because they dont want to be sitting next to one of the most controversial figure, and so if you are one of the lower less controversial people, you dont want to sitting next to donald trump or Rudy Giuliani. So you will see groups of three or five or however separate trials. And he cannot hold 17 different, so it would take a decade, but he has to group them together practically and fair. And so we hhave some of our best people, which does not include you by the way, but we will go to those other best people not including us here. And the defense should not have access to them, and the counsel wants to hear more of this after we put the case on with the sole exception being mr. Chillise . Yes. And what about if some of the witnesses testify that you call at trial . So, judge, we are relying on the discovery statue that talks about the point when the state has made the decision to call one of the witnesses that has testified before The Grand Jury at that point, the transcript becomes relevant, and we will turn it over. All right. So we may have to talk some logistics, but we will see where we end up. So mr. Grubman and mr. Arroyo, your motion . Your honor, we take exception for what they will call ing Jens Material given to us at the lastminute to craft that is what i was getting to. If we are looking at this, it is 22ex0024. I would like to adopt the Media Companies ask for the release of the transcripts, and cited in the law so we dont have to go through it, but og101 lists out the requirements that the Special Grand Jury has to do and that requirement is interim reports that have to be presented to the judge as far as the work going on, and i didnt know if there were transcripts, but apparently there are in this case as to what the prosecution says there is, but based on the report that were released there were 75 witnesses that testified before The Grand Jury, which were recorded, and they have told this court that they have 150 witnesses, so whether they choose to call those witnesses or not, i am entitled to the transcripts to decide if i want to call them if there is impeachment material, inconsistent statements or exculpatory material, and they have to present all of the case in chief to us as ordered by your scheduling other, and there is no Protection Order out there, and we go to the next order that is the special publishing of The Grand Jury report, and the secrecy issue goes away and the foreperson of the Special Grand Jury went to the press and made all kinds of statements about this, and Olson Versus State is 302 georgia 3022 case and also the in recase which is cited in my brief also, your honor, and i go back to 70 years to dennis versus the united Supreme Court, and it is a 1966 case that talks tbt requirements for disclosure for grand jury transcripts and in every case The Grand Jury transcripts are made available to the defense but there is a different statue to when they will be released and the witness transcripts, but you are asking for everything . Well, i dont know exactly what they recorded, and if it is witnesses, fine, but as you know, your honor, there is oneway traffic. And the d. A. Controls information is presented to them, and i dont know what it is they are giving them or not, and i have challenged validity of the indictment which is in a separate brief, but at a minimum, the law requires the witness statements, and whether they choose to use them or not, it doesnt avoid the responsible to use them, and i would like to know who the 75 people who are under oath to testify before them, and i dont know if there is a way around it, and the law supports us, and whether it is a protective or nonprotective order, it is their choice. We dont plan to share anything with the press, but we need it and our client needs it to prepare for the case, so the code sections, the case law, and even the Supreme Court case law and frankly, the fairness of the statements of the witnesses be turned over, but i believe that i should be allowed to have all of it, because if it is on the validity of what the grand jurors said, we should be allowed to all of it. Again, i am no expert in grand jurors and former prosecutor, but 151280 that talks about publishing. A lot of it was talked about with judge mcburney as far as the case cited in Special Grand Jury and more of the law is there, and i dont want to burn down the trees if it is out there, and i highlighted the three cases that talks about it. So you are listening to the live hearing there in front of the judge arguing for Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro who are scheduled to go in october, and if you will permit me. Of course, john. I have a narrow question first and the broader question. And narrow that we are hearing them argue the defense for access to what all of the Special Grand Jury transcript, and what exactly does this mean . Yes, exactly, it is their constitutional right as the Defense Attorney, and the defendants are allowed to receive and it is known in the Federal System Jenks Act material if they are entitled to call witnesses at trial, and they are entitled to know what they said to The Grand Jury assuming prospect of potentially impeaching the witnesses or preparing the defense. You can see this all of the time. The question is timing. One other issue, and now they are cons solidating motion, but they want the speak to the grand jurors in this case to see whether or not the indictment was properly handed down, and that is an unusual request, but as far as seeing The Grand Jury testimony and you know, transcripts, that is pretty typical and i think that they will get that at some point, and maybe not today, but at some point before trial. My broader question, as they hash it out, it has to do with the fact that there still this trial scheduled for five weeks from now which is soon. I have been listening to both of you, and it is not a slam dunk that it is going to happen that day, and i do get that it is useful for the other codefendants to play out first, but this is a chance for a jury to weigh in and weigh in soon on a lot of the evidence that is going to be brought up against ultimately donald trump and Rudy Giuliani and others and the case is nuanced and different, but in a way, a lot of them are going to be the same. So there is a jury to hear evidence soon. There is a phrase that we use as prosecutors and i know that you love the phrases, but it is collateral damage. So if you are trying Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, there are other people named in a bad way in the trial, and other people who take on the damage including donald trump, so that is a counter veiling, and this is in one way delighted, because you can see the strategy, but in another way, you are getting a lot of damage of a nationally televised trial where you wont be able to defend yourself. And fani willis has said that my case against any one of the 19 is the same as all of the 19 defendants, so if there is the a trial of chesebro and powell in october, then, yes, donald trump is going to take on quite a bit of damage for all of us to see. And i am curious about the 75 people, and they are asking for the transcripts. Correct. So have they gotten discovery so far . How much has the defense gotten so far, and we know that the trial is technically five weeks out. They have not gotten much so far, and that is inexcusable on the d. A. s part. So there were 75 witness, and what we are hearing is that the Defense Attorneys are saying, that we want all of those transcript, and as caroline said, we want all of them. And if the trial date is five or six weeks from now, the d. A. Indicted the case two the three weeks ago, and she should have had the discovery right here. And this is the dime, and the d this is the indictment, and this is the discovery and it is going to be rolling, and the trial is here, and to give them discovery, and i dont know how you take the situation of fast, fast, fast, and we need three weeks of discovery when we have had this case in investigative phase for two 1 2 to three years. It warms my heart for you to take the defense position. Thank you. And now we heard from the judge and Going Forward. Well, he has been very methodical about this and noted that he will be having the hearings on a weekly basis, and he has been down the road, and understands that 19 codefendants are going to be making motion, and we have not gotten to the motions in limine of the first impression, and not first impression, and so he as been forward about moving this on without alacrity and the last thing you want as a trial judge is to have this turned over on appeal. You can hear him push back as you are both saying, you have to gift over, but he is saying, what entitles you to the transcripts from the Special Grand Jury, and taking a role on this, and making sure that the is are dotted and the ts are crossed. This judge is doing great, because you are taking on a case like this, you are the manage omanager of a 19ring circus. And he is way younger than everybody else, and 34, and not you caroline how dare you. And he is in control of the courtroom, and letting the d. A. 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