Oj simpson thank you so much for joining us tonight. Cnet news night with abby phillip starts now oj simpsons, all American Horror story comes to an end. Thats tonight on these good evening. Im abby phillip in new york tonight. Ron goldman and the brown. You should remember those two names and also this name for what prosecutors said that he did to them oj simpson. He died today from Prostate Cancer at the age of 76. The running back turn broadcast are turned pitch man for everything was a fixture in American Living Rooms for over decades of his career until he went on the run it just moments. Im going to speak with oj simpsons ghostwriter, the man who helped him with that semi confession book. If i did it. And also with gloria already, who represented Nicole Browns family through both trials. But first, some some slow speeds sprint from police wound its way through la and unwound the myth around that man giving the country of of a Jealous Domestic Abuser who police immediately suspected of brutally killing his exwife and her friend im going to interrupt this call. I understand we wanna go too well live picture in los angeles is that correct okay. Lets his Interstate Five and this is courtesy of kasie a. Elana, one of la affiliate lets probably curlies believed that right now that oj simpson is in that car Police Believe he is in that vehicle lower down on the ground. Lets pick up what the various the kcl broadcasters saying at this point that the officers would do just about whatever they do in any type of telling me that they believe that this vehicle is registered dow caroline was the recording has oldest friends or teammates at southern cao, what the pressure the vehicle and just hope that they believed that im calling whos the other person theyre looking for, who was with oj earlier today, they believe again, they believe that this is the car. We do not know this is the car the white broncos are those cars following what is it presumed to be the car containing oj simpson now a fugitive from justice the car is traveling at normal speed. The Police Reports that the oj simpson is in the passenger seat, and apparently has a gun. You get a glimpse california Highway Patrol has now confirmed to cnn that it is definitely and they are almost certain that oj is in the passenger seat. That were just now crossing the sixth, so five california. He was also telling so were starting to meet opinion because he as long doors but East Long Beach again, oj appears to be holding a gun to his head i could tell you that ive seen chp officers stopping people from getting on to the four row five downtown 405 as you know, is a parking lot with everybody stopped and out of the cars looking a for this chase to come. But the Sunset Boulevard Opera he is open ended, appears that they think that he might get off here the whole way going north along a four, five, it is an amazing site along the righthand shoulder. People have pulled over, many of them carrying signs such as signs, reading things like safe the juice go oj, people are literally cheering him on as he travels north down on the fourth row five. And we can only assume that he plans to get off at sunset et go towards perhaps even home. Greg wires, oj simpson now that im cannot tell you all about a block away and i have no monitors, but i can only assume he is inside the home they did agree to allow him to speak with his mother, but theres one question that has been resolved here and that is certainly that he is in Police Custody and unharmed. Apparently, what a day what a day one of the witnesses for the prosecution in that trial was pablo fen vez. He was Nicole Brown Simpson neighbor and he testified that he heard her barking dog the night of the murder i heard a very distinctive barking coming from somewhere to the south of where i live and i was aware of it for maybe 567 minutes. Was there something unusual about that dog barking that drew your attention to it it was a fairly persistent i was at a significant pitch . And as you may recall, i described it at the time as a Plaintiff Whale sounded like a very unhappy animal that testimony was a critical part of the prosecutions timeline. But in a bizarre twist decades later, fen vez would then be asked to go strike some since hugely controversial book. If i did it, that book was ultimately canceled by noon this court, the Parent Company of the publisher, Harper Collins, the Goldman Family, then got the rights to the book and worked with vendors to release it. And pablo invest joins me. Now, a pablo, thanks so much for joining us. You do have so many connections to this oj simpson story. Lets start with your reaction to his death today role . The thing that stood out for me was that any entire time i spent with oj working on a book, he never expressed any remorse and oh, jni spent a fair amount of time together and it was sort of an unusual relationships since i had testified against him, as you pointed out but i didnt i didnt feel a great wash. I actually felt more for the Goldman Family and the brown family and for his children because of this checkered history to put it mildly that testimony that we just played, there was really a critical moment in this trial, but then for you to ten years later, actually even become a ghostwriter why would you agree to do that well, what happened was i got a call from the publisher, judith three going and she had she said she had this project with oj and i said i testified against him. Im completely the wrong guy for this project. But ive done a number of best sellers for judith and she trusted me and she thought that if anybody was going to elicit an actual confession, honore oj, i might be that person so initially i said i didnt really want to go into business with him and the legal team already, Harper Collins sent over documentation in i saw that the deal was made with his children and i figured well, if they get a Little Something out of this, its not a bad thing. So i i signed on and got on a plane in and flew down amino j he said, first thing he said, he said to me was the opening words we shook hands and he goes like, have you ever heard of a man being put away for murder by a wailing dog so he was basically saying i know who you are and i remember for who you are and we sat down and had lunch in got off to a slow start, but things took off from there. Do you think that that was maybe one of the reasons why he agreed to do it. What was in it for him to have you, someone who testified against him . As his ghostwriter i dont know if he gave it that much thought you know, theres somebody presented a deal to him and i guess he thought the terms were yeah. Agreeable and he just lets get this done. Lets lets do this job. When we sat down and it became a form of Therapy Ghostwriting is a lot like therapy for the client. They sit there and you walk them through there there history in this particular case, it was one chapter of his history that everyone was interested in. And so thats what we focused on. So you said that he never expressed any remorse in the course of your working with him did you think he was guilty while you were writing this book oh, you know what . At one point were in a hotel suite working together and wed been working for a few days and he said you pablo, now that you know me a little better and maybe liked me a little bit, do you still think i did it and i said, im sorry. Oh gi i thought you did it when it happened dozen years ago. And i still think you did and, he exploded and it was a lot of theatrical because a few minutes, a few moments later he was laughing and he said, i know, i know you think im guilty and any thanked me for being honest with him. And as i as i said in the past, it wasnt like im a big, brave writer. Its just that we were in middle of working on a book together. And if i had lied to him at that point, it would not have helped the project in any way. So i was just honest with, you, describe him as someone who would explode at you in moments like that and then minutes later start laughing. I mean, explain to us what kind of person someone who spent a lot of time and book therapy with him, what kind of person really is oj simpson . Well, for awhile i thought maybe there was a lot of Cognitive Dissonance there and maybe he really didnt think he had done it. But the more time i spent with them, the more i felt that he knew he hadnt done it because as we got closer to that chapter on the murders, they became harder and harder for him to deal with i mean, it was a real struggle. I mean, he he never he never fell apart and he didnt cry. But he was he was angry and worked up as weve got to that chapter, he kept saying i hate this chapter, i hate this chapter. Do we have to do this chapter . And i said thats the only reason were doing the book. Its this chapter. This chapter. The other thing that i is interesting the chapter about the murders. The other thing that i thought was interesting is, you he, in the book, when he talked about meeting nicole, it was incredibly romantic and a young waitress in a coffee shop in beverly hills, and then as we got deeper into the marital issues and the abuse, he was just getting angry or an angrier and saying they turn me into the poster boy for wife abuse. And he basically was murdering her character in the Book Everything that everything that went wrong in the marriage was was her fault and there was a weird sense that he was he was saying if if i did it, she had it coming. And that was really chilling to me. And it was just showed what i was dealing with. He had some point tried to turn the public against you why well, i thought that was sorry, i found amusing. What happened was the National Enquirer broke the news about the book and suddenly there was like a storm and and the goldmans, were on tv every day decrying the people who were involved in the book and it was it wasnt pleasant, it didnt really affect me. I have a complete another life outside of the Book Business but jay decided you know, if if the book is a confession, maybe pablo did it. I mean, he he lives just 50 yards from nicoles house and he seems to know so much about the murder so he basically was throwing me under the bus a little bit all right. Pablo fan vez. Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate it thank you very much. Thanks for your time. Next, ill speak live with gloria. All read. She represented the coal browns family during both of those trials. Her reaction to simpson staff plus Breaking News as one of Donald Trumps trials starts just days from now, we are getting word that one of his key lawyers is now off the legal team and a newsletter exclusive. 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Simpson, would you please stand and face the jury this is robertson Superior Court Of California when youre County Of Los Angeles in the matter of the people of state of california vs orenthal, James Simpson, case number be 097211. We the jury but often tidal action find the defendant or owens all James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 1807, a a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson, a human being as charged in count one of the inflammation superior court of the state of california, County Of Los Angeles in the matter of the people state of california vs orenthal, James Simpson. We the jury in the above and tidal action, find a defendant orenthal jaime simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. And violation of penal code section 1807, a felony up on Ronald Lyle Goldman a human being as charged in count two so of the information we, the jury in the above, entitled action further, find a special circumstance that the defendant or theyll James Simpson has in this case convicted of at least one crime of murder of the firstdegree and one or more crimes of murder of the first or Second Degree to be not true sign this second day of october 1995. Juror two, 30 Ladies And Gentlemen of the jury, is this your verdict . Hell say you want so say you all all right. Council. And mr. Simpson, would you be seated, please have it quiet the courtroom, please prime. This is wrong ive written would you please pull the jurors he number of key figures who were involved in oj simpsons 1995 trial, including our next guest became basically Household Names osce angeles attorney gloria all represented Nicole Browns family and she joins me now. Gloria thank you for joining us tonight. Your reaction to todays news well i dont mourn for oj simpson in the civil trial that followed, he was found liable. That is responsible for the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and ronald goldman. May they both rest in peace . And thats important and the big difference between the criminal trial and the civil trial that followed is not only that less evidence is necessary in a civil lawsuit. In other words, theres no necessity sat to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Thats the burden of proof in a criminal case. But also in the civil case, he testified he did not testify in the criminal case