Theyll be relying on congress to pass a Spending Bill and aboat Government Shutdown by a midnight deadline next saturday. If congress fails, those workers paychecks will be delayed possibly for weeks. Federal agencies have begun the process of preparing for a shutdown and it looks more and more likely. House speaker Kevin Mccarthy conceded he has to win over a handful of gop handliners, but hes hopeful theyll eventually vote for a Stopgap Spending Measure did avoid shutdown. New jersey senator bob menendez is pushing back against calls to resign, even from fellow democrats. Federal prosecutors say menendez and his wife took hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes including gold bars, cash, Home Mortgage payments, and a luxury vehicle. A Growing Crisis at the mexican border. Federal officials are sending more resources to help with the surge of migrants crossing into the u. S. Lets bring in a panel of political experts to talk about this. Joining us now, former fox news host Geraldo Rivera in the flesh, as well as former senator Senior Adviser for Bernie Sanders 2020 president ial campaign, chuck rocca, and republican strategist and former rnc Communications Director dog high. Geraldo, its great to have you on the show. Its 5 00 in washington. Well have to call this the four as there are only four of us, i know youre used to being on at 5 00. How bad is this going to get for Speaker Mccarthy if he cant cut a deal to avoid a shutdown . Wa do you think . I think hes between a rock and a hard place. He cant, you know, placate the hard, hard right, the Freedom Caucus members, and some of the others, no matter what he does. They dont want the government to go on, it seems to me. They want it shut down. I think that what he should do is appeal to the American People to appeal to those Congress Folk and tell them that the federal government does more than deliver mail and audit your taxes. It makes the World Go Round in a lot of ways. A lot of people are going to suffer grieve yusly. Hes got to make a deal with the democrats, otherwise this shutdown will be disastrous. Doug, is that where this is heading . Hes going to have to make some kind of deal with the democrats . Or do you think well see some of these Freedom Caucus members cave when it gets down to crunch time . Unfortunately, theres going to be a shutdown. It seems almost impossible to avoid that. Its interesting because the politics are somewhat similar and also different than what we saw in 2013 during the shutdown. The Freedom Cau Cushion in this case is divided. Weve seen some peel away and be more supportive of kevin. Weve seen basically keeping government open and functioning. Weve seen some who are still drawing that hard line. And the reality is, what people are hearing back in their congressional districts, whether theyre working with leadership or theyre standing against Republican Leadership here its only republicans who sort of matter in this context is their constituents are telling them, keep doing what youre doing. Dont work with democrats. Thats somehow bad. Or fight your own Republican Leadership. Thats exactly what theyre hearing. And chuck, Border Patrol is one of the issues that might get affected by this Government Shutdown. I mean, how do you maintain a border if the government is shut down . This is what President Biden had to say about the surge happening at the southern border right now. Unfortunately, the majority of republicans in congress under my predecessor spent four years gutting the Immigration System under my predecessor. They continue to undermine the border situation blocking bipartisan reform. Until congress acts, im going to keep usingry tool at my disposal to preserve and protect daca, Keep Fighting for dreamers, and build a safe the pets fired up. I think you were at that event. Thats the Congressional Hispanic Caucus institute, latino leaders across the nation. Theres real political implications with a shutdown. Weve all been through it. Democrat, republican, or independent, im not a guy who does public policy, i run campaigns. You know that. What you see in the states is real consequences if folks stop getting checks. If we shut down our National Parks and Fishing Guides cant get into the everglades, folks that make a living off this, like gas prices. You see it every single day when you stop getting those resources. Geraldo, youve been weighing in on this issue. What more can the president do at this point . Does he have a point that bipartisan Immigration Reform is the key . Well, it certainly is the key, jim. But he has to take some possibility and stop this phoney blaming everything on trump. Its just not so. When you weld open the doors to the border wall because you want to show the latin world that you are openminded or welcoming, what you do is you welcome everybody wants to live in america. Whether you live in colombia or venezuela or mexico or azerbaijan or france. You want to live in america. You have to have some control. Now, i am all for a liberal, comprehensive Immigration Reform. But you have to admit, when you see if it werent for the drones, we wouldnt know. With these drone cameras, we get an idea of the scope of the misery. When i was growing up, it was stopping an unbridled flow, a tidal wave from south america. The gap now, they have tour guides, they give out knapsacks, sneakers, a package deal. Well get you across central america, get you into mexico, you get on the train, then you cross the rio grande, press toe, youre there. Theres got to be some kind of order. Theres got to be mexico, central america, colombia have to Work Together to help reestablish order on the border. You have people dying in the desert and so forth. We, our country, has prospered enormously from latino and other immigrants, but right now it is anarchy and chaos and biden has to do something. Geraldo, isnt there a problem for republicans in congress if theyre shutting down the border and at the same time if sheer shutting down the government, excuse me, and at the same time the border resources are going to be affected by a Government Shutdown . Isnt that a problem . Absolutely. Its ridiculous. Its absurd. You shut down the government, whos going to police fentanyl . Were losing a planeload of people every day to fentanyl. Thats how many are dying. A couple hundred every single day overdosing. Come on. Lets be grownups here. Thats why i think this is the moment Speaker Mccarthy has to decide whether or not hes a great man or hes a politician. If hes a great man, hes going to say, okay, you hardliners, youre not with me, then im going to go to the democrats because im putting my country before my party. Lets see, is he a profile in courage or just another political hack . Lets talk about whats happening with democrat senator from new jersey, bob menendez, defending himself against these charges that he took bribes as part of his duties up on capitol hill. Hes been essentially saying that hes being persecuted because hes a latino in congress. Doug, what do you think at this point . What do you think bob menendez is up against right now . He is facing increasing calls to step down. John fetterman from pennsylvania earlier today calling on menendez a lot of new jersey democrats. So far, silence from cory booker who the last time bob menendez went through this this is not his first rodeo through this cory booker has supported him. Hes been quiet so far. If cory booker calls for menendez to step down, its hard to see how its tenable. George santos, i think in a similar light, the reality is as long as youre there, being there is part of your political leverage. Part of your leverage in a legal sense as well. When youre negotiating potential pleas and things like that with doj. You stay in office because you have that one piece of leverage. Yeah, chuck. The problem right now is that he has an election. The last time this happened, he was 3 1 2 years before his election. Now he has an election in less than a year. A bunch of congressmen in new jersey would love to be senator, bottom line. A lot of folks in the Latino Community are really sad. They have been with bob menendez, hes been a leader in our community, did Amazing Things for the community. Now folks are lining up, a lot of congress who would love to be senator. What do you think . Youve been involved in Campaign Politics for some time. It comes down to the senate. Right now, we have no wiggle room. Weve talked about this on this program. Hes not going to step down . I think i was out there looking. Every minute, theres Somebody Else whos coming out. Now its the California Senate candidate. I think the pressures going to get immense on him. Guys, sit tight. Weve got a lot ahead. Geraldos old boss, rube better murdoch, we cant get you go without talking about that. Jer recall hoes role in political discourse, he had a front seat to a lot of it. Well talk about that in a a fe minutes hive in the cnn news roomom. Nope. man are you sure . Here we go vo its time to push your limits. Room. Youre doing great man oh, is that a buffalo . woman babe, thats a cow. vo the allnew Subaru Crosstrek wilderness. Adventure on the edge. sfx ping please dont go please dont go. Please dont go please dont go dont goooooo dont go away please dont go subway refreshed everything. And now, theyre slicing their deli meats fresh. 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My watch does the same thing. Geraldo, the president , weve been playing a lot of polls lately that show biden and trump in a neckandneck battle for the presidency. State polls get overlooked. This latest cnn poll shows the president way out in front of trump in New Hampshire, which is typically a battleground state. Maybe its been trending a little bluer in recent elections. Its a reminder we have an Electoral College and the president may be doing a little bit better in some of these battleground states. What do you think . Well, New Hampshire polling, reporting all day, the first good news President Biden has gotten pollwise in quite a while. The last poll has it week that i saw was trump biden 50 50. To see him moving decisively ahead in New Hampshire, it gives hope to the thesis that he is the guy to beat trump. Maybe trump is the only guy he could beat. But he is the one guy that could beat trump. And if that is the if that working philosophy works, then youll have these two alltimers getting out there and slugging it out and maybe biden prevails in the second term. Its close. Too close for comfort for democrats for sure. Trump is surprising everybody with his resilience in terms of his popularity. But trump biden rematch, excuse me for yawning, but the stakes could not be higher. Youre not okay with old guys slugging it out, geraldo . Im an old guy that slugs it out. All the time. Thats my life. Thats my m. O. Right. You wouldnt be where you are today if you werent. Im 80. Hes only biden is only eight months older than i am. So i know how i feel. And i know that i wouldnt like to be going hither and thon. But i wish him the best, i do. I want him to succeed. I think that trump disqualified himself by being president by challenging the constitution of the United States. Mike pence was absolutely right that he put the his own political fortunes ahead of the country. He does not deserve to be president again. Chuck, i mean, what do you make of this New Hampshire poll . Did you exhale . Did you breathe a little easier when you saw that . Ive been telling democrats for weeks as they see National Polls and its one point here there. I told them to step away from the edge of the building and off the bridges, everythings going to be okay. We have to work our tails off, but state polls matter the most. Youve reported in iowa and other places that nevada, arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, michigan polls, now the New Hampshire polls are what you really should Pay Attention to. And as we get closer, the more you should Pay Attention to. Makes sense president is going to michigan. Thats another Battle Ground state that matters. Doug, New Hampshire poll, should this give Trump Supporters some pause here . Nothing gives Trump Supporters pause. I was going to say. If youre a republican running against donald trump, you have a debate next week. This is your opportunity to point out how you think donald trump cant win. And weve heard this from desantis, halley. Theyve got a fresh opportunity with hard numbers behind them to do so. A debate coming up on fox, im sure youre aware. I believe its on fox business. I have to ask you about murdoch stepping down. I know youve been asked a bunch about this. You called him a titan. Youve tweeted about this and said that hes a titan. He gave voice to conservatives who were barely being served in the news media. I know that was how roger ailes felt about a lot of this. You were saying a few moments ago that donald trump disqualified himself from being president because of what he did around january 6th and so on. But fox bears some responsibility for that, dont they . And Rupert Murdoch shares some responsibility for that. They were pedestrian telling these lies and that was one of the reasons you had problems over there. Your thoughts on all of this . Well, very briefly, my fortunes at fox began spiraling downward when i began voicing the opinion on november 13th, 10 days after the election, that the president , president trump, was going off on a tangent. By the end of november, he was totally committed to crazy. So, you know, i said so. I said then. And ive been saying for the last, what is it, almost three years now that, you know, when you do something as egregious as challenge the constitutional order, then you have no right to run for president again. That doesnt mean im not sympathetic to him. It doesnt mean i didnt support him before. In terms of Rupert Murdoch, he is a titan. You know, he made 17 billion and formed this worldwide media empire because he saw that half of America Felt Unserved or underserved by mainstream media. Thats a reality. Most commentators are prochoice. Proabortion. Most believe climate change. Most believe that there should be gun control. Immigration reform. Conservatives dont believe any of that stuff. You know, they need media, and i think that his serious was recognizing tens of millions of people wanted to hear a different song. I know you dont want to take too many shots at a place where you used to work. I understand that. But do you think Rupert Murdoch poisoned the discourse of this country . That fox poisoned the discourse in this country to the extent that you could have a january 6th, to the extent that you still have legions of Trump Supporters who dont believe in democracy, who dont believe in Election Results anymore . Do you share those views . And i guess when you were there at fox, how much did that concern you . Right. I get it, i get it. Of course it concerned me. But you have a situation where i blame trump. I dont blame fox. Fox, with the dominion settlement, 787 million that they had to pay out because of saying something that they didnt believe about the election thats a big im sorry. So i accept foxs apology now. They didnt really apologize did they . You saw his deposition well, 787 million is a pretty big im sorry, in my opinion. You know. Sometimes money talks. I think that was the case in this situation. And i dont think again, i go back to, you know, the country is divided d ideologically. The senate, 5149. The house, 217, whatever its basically tied. The government is tied. And i think people do i live in ohio now. I live in a red state. I see that people here feel differently than my friends in new york do about and california do about lots of different issues. When they click around the dial, them to hear someone whos reporting or whose editorial choices, just the stories we choose to or the report on, not merely how we report on them, are different. I accept the difference. The crazy is crazy. We can see crazy right, crazy left, crazy is crazy. Trump is crazy, went crazy. And fox enabled him a little bit, right . Its more disturbing to me that with tucker and hannity and all that i took the checks for 22 years, youre right. I took their money for 22 years, im not going to bite the hand that fed me. But i go back to my point. Theres plenty of people who want to hear people that they agree with. I loved watching you. I thought that you were courageous and spunky and you dug your heels in and you were just as tough on obama as you later became on trump, even though trump was morneaux tore yus and confrontations more classic. A lot of people didnt like you because they thought maybe you were going too far, attacking the president , so forth. Now, i liked you because i like spunk, i like courage. And im delighted having a weekend show myself for 10, 12 years, i was the puerto rican on the weekend, now youre the cuban on the weekend. So were doing okay. You know, lets realize and accept that the country is divided and people see things differently. I appreciate that. 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No. No. Joining us is miles taylor, former Trump Homeland Security Department official. Miles, good to talk to you as always. You wrote that book, that anonymous book warning people about what was going to take place inside the Trump Administration, about donald trump in general. What hes all about. Let me ask you about Cassidy Hutchinson and what she is talking about in this Sunday Morning interview promoting her new book. Does that experience sound familiar to you, having to hide out in a different city, worried about going home to ones apartment, so on . All too familiar, jim. Whats really alarming is that these are not discreet episodes anymore. This is happening en masse to people like Cassidy Hutchinson, to mayors who turn against trump, to poll workers. The political intimidation and violence are genuinely off the charts. I mean, when i wrote that book, a warning, its one of the things i warned about. That this was going to veer towards greater violence. It was going to go past the vitriol. And it has. And it happened to me as well. I spent election day 2020 in a safe house in Northern Virginia under armed guard and with a pistol under my pillow because the threats are very, very real. We still contend with the threats. And im very sad to see that happening to Cassidy Hutchinson, but im also really proud of her. Proud of her that shes gone out there and spoken about this. Again, risking her security to talk about those episodes. To point out how serious this has become. This is not the United States we were living in ten years ago. This is a very, very different place right now where speaking your mind about politics actually can put your life in danger and can put your family in danger. Miles, the fact that shes speaking out again, has this book with all these revelations, that has trump world coming after her again. Peter navarro, former trump aide convicted of Contempt Of Congress charges, attacked Cassidy Hutchinson on x, known as twitter, along with other women who have turned on trump since leaving the white house. You can see on screen, our viewers can see, he says, why hire a woman after watch ing these Women Throw Mud At Trump and giuliani . He goes on, pimp ladies be giving real maga women bad name. That isnt even english, i dont know what that is there. Your reaction to his comments . Theyre pretty disgusting. I dont even think it wants reac reaction. Hes a horrible misogynist. What people should be alarmed by is, this is a Guy Who In A Second Trump Term will be among the seniormost advisers to the president of the United States. Someone who speaks like him. Parrots his talking points. Peter navarro will be among trumps closest aides and has remained one of his biggest defenders. That is shocking. Its disgusting. It should be terrifying that we would potentially put someone like peter in that position again. Another thing i want to point out, jim, all those names of the women he attacked. I want to tell you. I know every single one of those women individually. And theyre all very different people who had very different politics and came into the Trump Administration from very, very different careers. And you know what . They all ended up in the same place. They were exposed to the man in person, they were horrified by what they saw, and theyve spoken out. Some may wish they had done it sooner, but the point is, theyve spoken out. Theyve put themselves in danger to do it. I think it goes to show you that anyone who actually has a conscience and interacts with that man sees the danger he poses. And Peter Navarro again is just showing us that hes not one of those people. Hes not one of those people with a conscience. No. Those are just deep misogynistic, horrendous comments. This week the Ukrainian President , volodymyr zelenskyy, was in washington. As you know, republicans are increasingly reluctant to fund support for the war in ukraine. Theyre adamantly opposed to it in some corners of the gop. What do you think . What do we risk if we turn our backs in ukraine . Your most recent book blow back which warns about what would happen to our democracy in the United States under trump i mean, what do you think about the war in ukraine and what it says about the fight for democracy . Not only here in the u. S. But around the world . Yeah, i think we are in an extraordinarily perilous moment, the western world, the freedomloving world. Its not just because its under threat overseas. Its because here at home we have individuals who are mini trumps, who have been elected to congress, who are Holding Ukraine funding hostage, who are trying to pull america back from the world. I look at this, jim, ive got to be honest with you. Ive known you for a long time, this i think you know how frustrated i am by watching all of this. I think i speak for a lot of americans when i ask the question, what the hell are we doing . We as a country, almost 50 of us are considering reelecting a man who leads this Movement Of Mini trumps to that office. After he attempted to overturn the will of the people, after he attempted to be abrogate the constitution, after hes pursuing reelection to a job he says he wants, to jail his successor and use to exact retribution against his opponents. His words, not my words. This has got to be one of the most observably stupid moments in american history. If we repeat the same mistake we made eight years ago, it will be the last time because there wont be any more opportunities to repeat mistakes. Because it could very well be the end of the republic. And i say that having been inside the belly of that beast and what people dont realize is that beast is much deadlier to democracy than it even was in the first term. So i guess my point is that if we make this mistake again, jim, we probably deserve everything thats coming to us. Que. Democracy is on the line, not only here in the u. S. Thanks so much, really appreciate it. Thanks, jim. Still ahead, a new report on Justice Clarence thomas, of the Supreme Court, and his ties to gop donors. Renewing calls for Supreme Court ethics rules. One of the reporters who broke that latest story joins us next. We are monitoring a Tropical Storm disrupting life right now from North Carolina right up the Eastern Seaboard to new york. Its a very wet weekend for a lot of us. Well have the latest throughout the broadcast. Yeap. Quite the paradox. Hmmmm . Hmmmm . Hmm . Hmmmm . So jjs for lunch . The first ever lexus rx plugin hybrid. Electric for short trips. Gas for long. It really is both. 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We sent him detailed questions about everything we found, and he didnt respond. What about the koch network . What are they saying about this . So yes, theyve now confirmed the facts of the story. And they are saying that i mean, theyve said a few things. They didnt answer most of our questions about the all the specifics of his role and there are things that remain unknown. But they said that he was not personally present when fundraising conversations were happening. One of the things we reported is that thomas flew out to this donor summit on a private jet that he didnt disclose. They said they didnt pay for the jet. So its actually still unclear who did pay, because he didnt disclose that. Then they said that all the justices do things like give speeches and go on book tours and that going to these donor events isnt any different. Josh, help us put this in the context of the other stories that youve done on Justice Thomas. The significance of a Supreme Court justice attending a koch network event, but also, this is one of a number of instances that have raised alarm bells about what is going on inside the Supreme Court. I think a lot of americans just didnt have any idea that justices hang out with highrollers at private retreats and that sort of thing. Yeah. So, i mean what we found puts thomas in a really pretty extraordinary position. Of having been a prestigious fundraising draw for a network that has brought multiple cases to the Supreme Court, including one of the biggest cases of the upcoming term. But leaving cases aside, judges sit in a unique position of trust. They have Lifetime Appointments to insulate them from the pressures and influences of politics as usual. And the judiciary has really lofty ethics rules meant to preserve judges impartiality and independence, political activity is banned, so is participation in fundraising, for instance. We talked to a federal judge appointed by george bush who found it shocking that thomas had done this, said if hed done the same as a District Court judge hed have gotten a letter starting a disciplinary process. All this gets to the root issue or one of the root issues in this story and all the stories weve reported, which is these ethics rules only apply to the lower courts. At the Supreme Court level, little or no binding rules on their conduct. And essentially zero oversight. And they ultimately decide whats appropriate for themselves. Fascinating. Joshua caplan with propublica, thanks to you and your News Organization for the stellar work youre doing, trying to hold some of these justices accountable, and revealing something that not many folks really understood what was going on. Thank you very much for your time, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. All right, in the meantime, there is no disputing this fact. President john f. Kennedy and his son, john f. 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Right over here, add it up, 11 22 1963. 11 produce 22 plus 1963, 115. We were at war 1 15. What is the significance . You will find out 174. Whats my number . Trust the plan, 174. Whats my number . My number . Yeah. Is 174. Its also 218. I got to go. Why is it people like you so much . Are you a con man . No. Reporter are you taking them for a ride literally . No. I think theyre taking me for a ride. Reporter youre bankrupt, right . Im not bankrupt. And you know it. See you later. What do you make of that . Well, i saw a few things in there. One was what i call thought terminating cliches. He just kept saying, youll find out, youll find out, youll find out. And thats the kind of thing that theres no real answer to, theres no explanation needed. You can just repeat these things, and theres no way to kind of prove or disprove youll find out. And donie joins us now. Chilling stuff. Where did this encounter with this manhattan . Reporter jim, the man you see in that video there is named michael protzman. That was in dallas, not too far from the Grassy Knoll In Daily Plaza where president kennedy was assassinated at almost 60 years ago. Look, what happened here really was and you know, we could really get tied up into the irrationality of these beliefs and try to understand them. But you know, in some ways that is a distraction, trying to unpack how the kennedys have to do with trump and anything else. Thats the conspiracy theory, the irrational part. What were trying to do with this story is really show the human effect, the effects on families and on the American People, these Conspiracy Theories. The reason we met him in dallas actually was because repeatedly over the course of a number of years he was bringing people back to dallas, telling people that one of the kennedys might show up. Of course, surprise, surprise, they never, didnt. A lot of people ended up not only going to dallas but staying in dallas and kind of living with michael protzman. Yeah. And donie, what was he talking about when he was mentioning all these different numbers . What was that all about . Reporter yeah. So that is something called damatria, basically new North Carolina e equals 26, pretty simple. But that man there, michael protzman, used the codes to try and establish all these links between everybody and essentially trying to extend these qanontype Conspiracy Theories. So saying this this name equals this number, this other name equals the same amount saying theres a connection, trying to paint this very broad picture of a kind of cabal and evil things going on. Of course and the cult expert there who you saw at the end of the clip, she said of course to many of us, this stuff just sounds crazy. It sounds pretty stupid frankly. Yeah. Reporter but really the followers that we were speaking to, you know, theyve got sucked in by this thing. And hopefully people will tune in tomorrow night because what we do want to show is that a lot of people that got swept up in this movement, this group, what some people call a cult, they were normal Functioning Members of society before all of this. But something clicked, and there they were. Wow, strange and scary stuff. Donie osullivan, thank you so much for the reporting youve been doing on this. Make sure to watch the whole new episode of the whole story with Anderson Cooper with donies reporting. It airs tomorrow at 8 00 p. M. Eastern and pacific only on cnn. Our thanks to doney for that. In the meantime, this weeks cnn hero watched as her teenage son nick lost his battle to cancer. And the night before he passed a away, nick asked his mother to make sure older kids can still get their wish just like the Makeawish Foundation does for younger kids. 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