Joining us tonight. A news night with abby. Phillip starts now the gop is once again the dog that caught the car are the consequences . This could be farreaching for millions of women thats tonight on this side good evening. Im abby phillip in new york tonight. You might just get what you ask for. Republicans are relearning that lesson today. Arizona supreme court, a court made up of all republican appointees have ruled in a four to two decision that physicians are now on notice that all abortions, except those necessary to save a womans life are illegal. That decision and the timing is truly stranger than fiction. It happened just a day after donald trump said, leave it to the states to make up their minds on abortion now, the country has firsthand evidence of what exactly 50 State Patchwork Approach to abortion would actually look like. The gsp spent 50 years trying to eradicate roe versus wade. But now that they have the aftermath isnt pleasant and only now that the electoral consequences of all of this are becoming more clear, republicans are acknowledging that laws like the one on the books in arizona, simply are not good ones. That arizona law, its not just decades old. It is generations old it is nearly 160 years old lawmakers wrote it in 18, when arizona was not even a state, when Abraham Lincoln was still alive, when professional baseball did not exist. When jules verne wrote journey to the center of the earth. When manet painted one of his most famous works that law is a literal antique but republicans worried about what a total ban means for their electoral futures. Their now refurbishing their positions look no further than kari lake. Shes the republican nominee for the senate in arizona lake. Tonight says, i oppose todays Ruling Lake Back in to that 2022 says the law was great im incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law thats already on the books. I believe its ars 133603. So it will prohibit abortion in arizona except to save the life of a mother republicans realized that there are very real ramifications for what arizonas court just did because they have seen this movie before in other places. On the map. When abortion was on the ballot, republicans lose even in places where they otherwise might win places like ohio, kentucky, Virginia Places where they ended up losing in 2023. And its going to be on the ballot again this november in 2024, already voters will decide directly on abortion in florida in maryland, in new york, and an eight other states, activists want to put it on the ballot, including right there in arizona the point here after five decades of pining for a decision like Dobbs Republicans got the grrrl, their dreams. And now its turned into a bad romance, one that may ultimately cost them their jobs and put the lives of millions of Women In Limbo joining us now is Arizona Democratic senator eva burt. She is a Nurse Practitioner as well. And last month, you may remember she appeared right here on this show to talk about this floor speech that was heard all around the country she explained that she wanted a pregnancy, but it would not progress and that she would need to get an abortion, which she has since received. Listen i dont think people should have to justify their abortions, but im choosing to talk about why i made this decision. Because i want us to be able to have meaningful conversations about the reality of how the work that we do in this body impacts people in the realworld State Senator birch, thanks for joining us again. When this law goes into effect, no abortion is going to be allowed except to save the life of a mother with the penalty of fines, even jail times for the provider you are a Nurse Practitioner, youve seen both sides of this. What does this mean . Practically for Health Care Providers in your state . Well, its really upsetting and confusing for Health Care Providers who obviously have to now make impossible decisions because what we really do in these situations is muddy the waters and is this patient close enough to death that we can consider administering this type of care in giving this kind of procedure thats a ridiculous question for a provider to have to answer. And if we look at just my own situation, i would not have been able to get the treatment that i had only less than three weeks ago. I had that procedure, but this is the same thing that were seeing. Again, this happened two years ago where Abortion Clinic shutdown all across the state of arizona and our republican lawmakers have pad plenty of time and opportunity to repeal this banned from the 1800s and have chosen not to act. And as we just heard some of them, just a couple of years ago were saying that it was a great law. The Democratic State attorney general, kris mayes, has the full power to enforce Abortion Laws thanks to an Executive Order from your states governor, katie hobbs. But mayes has vowed not to enforce any abortion law, especially not this one but couldnt that decision essentially be challenged by local attorneys and basically create chaos in your state well i will tell you im not a lawyer, but i am certain that theyre going to be a number of challenges that were going to see in the coming weeks. We only have a twoweek stay on this 1800s band before it goes into effect. But we have been talking about this band and this band has been being litigated for much longer than two weeks. And so any effort by the courts to try to reverse or to alter this decision is going to take longer than that. And so we really need to have some sort of legislative action. Now, in order to be able to protect this right for patients and arizona and to your point, i mean, this is going to be something that will affect women very. Very soon if its allowed to go into effect but youve also been urging your state to support a potential Ballot Member Measure for later in november, the advocates who are working on this Ballot Measure say they have more than 500,000 signatures as well over the threshold that they would need to get on the ballot how confident are you that this will make it onto the ballot and that ultimately voters will side in favor of Abortion Rights i feel really confident i have a lot of security and i have a lot of peace in my heart that this is a measure thats going to make its way to the ballot. I think that the reason though that this is necessary in the first place and why its so important for people to really get politically engaged people to come out and for people to vote is that even if the legislature does take some kind of action, they have been slowly eroding these rights for decades. And we cannot trust the anything that we do in the next two weeks and the legislature is going to hold for any significant period of time, what we need to do is elected democrats up and down the ticket from the presidency down to our state legislatures. And what we need to do is come and vote in november and make sure that this Ballot Initiative gets the attention it deserves and passes you heard there kari lakes switch on this issue. Shes not the only Republican Arizona and expressing suddenly dismay over this Court Decision why do you think that theyre saying that after years really, im trying to restrict Abortion Access where this was pretty much the explicit goal so this is an obvious transparent politically expedient act of desperation when we see these republicans who are flipflopping on their position and now suddenly theyre horrified. What we need to keep in mind is that the legislature has been in session for months. And at any Time Legislature could have repealed this ban and aza, a matter of fact, representative Stall Hamilton in the Arizona House had put forward a bill to repeal the ban and they wouldnt even give it a Committee Hearing. And when we tried to bring legislation forward to talk about the right of contraception, they wouldnt even give it a Committee Hearing and they wouldnt let us vote on it on the floor so we know what theyre coming for next. So i think that while we might see some politicians trying to turn around because of the political consequences that theyre experiencing. We have decades of history and of voting records and of statements to back up the fact that we cant trust them in any action that they take, and that we really have to take this into our own hands. We have to take this to the ballot box. Its our only option. All right State Senator eva berge. Thank you very much for joining us tonight thanks for having me and tonight. Country constitution, the high court, and the Service Members who might be caught in the middle former generals and admirals are taking the dramatic step of submitting a brief to the justices outlining how making president s absolutely immune would quote threaten the militarys role in in american society. That doesnt plus Officials Say that if the court sides, its with the former president , they will forever alter the meaning of the oath that every Single Service member takes to defend the constitution of the United States against all Enemies Foreign And Domestic by obeying potentially illegal orders from a president of the United States the former highranking officials envision a future where Service Members will be placed in the impossible position of having to choose between following their commander in chief and obeying the laws that were enacted by Congress Chris the list of notable names attached to this briefing is not short. Several retired generals or retired admiral, a former cia director, and also my next guest, louise caldera. He served as the secretary of the army under president clinton. Sir, thank you very much for staying with us tonight. It is highly unusual visual to see these kinds of officials, military officers, and others former ones weighing in on a politically charged issue, like this. Why did you decide to do it . Thank you for having me it is very unusual. And the reason is because the stakes are so high for our National Security and for our military if they werent, i dont think you would see this kind of brief, but a brief like this is a brief to the court as an amicus brief means a friend of the Court Bringing to the justices attention matters that they may not be expert in. No member of the supreme courts served in the military. And so to increase their understanding of the nature of our military, its foundations, how it operates, and what the implications of finding seeing that a president would be immune from criminal actions. And we think it would have disastrous effect on our National Security, including for the reasons you mentioned would put Military Personnel in a terrible position lot to do the i mean, the reality is is that theres a possibility the next president of the United States could be donald trump if thats the case, what are you most afraid of . Well, its not just about donald trump because if the justices say that this is the Law Of The Land that the president can violate criminal laws as long as he has some rationalization of why he thinks its in the countrys best interests and one thing we know about former President Trump is that he can ride i shall eyes. Everything is perfect and in the countrys best interests, when its really about his own political interests or personal financial interests as if thats all it takes for a president to be able to violate the laws of the United States. And his own lawyers in the argument before the court of appeals, were asked, does this mean that he could order the military to assassinate his political rivals . And their answer in the end was yes. Well, the president is not the one whos going to pull the trigger. Hes going to order the military to do such an action or he might order the military to quash the constitutional rights, rights of americans who are protesting as they have a right to do, whether they there protesting for racial equality or whether theyre protesting against Abortion Rights americans have the right to protest. And yet he wanted to use the military to quash these protests thats a violation of the posse comitatus act, which says you cannot use the military for civilian Law Enforcement purpose and we have these laws for a reason. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, i think thats such an important point, but i do want to play for you what former defense secretary mark esper said about this on cnn earlier today . I would prefer her to see retired admirals and generals not get involved in these issues. Its not even worth kind of talking about. Its just ridiculous he called it just ridiculous. Whats your reaction to that . Well, i well, i think hes just wrong and in fact his situation really illustrates our point is that to have that in our country, we have civilian control. The military, that is the militarys responsive to the president as commander in chief and two civilians like mark esper, who are appointed to run the department of defense. But they have to work hand in glove with military leaders some of whom have spent 30, 40 years in uniform. Steeped in military affairs, dedicated their lives to defending our country. And that, and theyve ultimately follow the directions the civilians, because thats the way our constitution was set up. But that only works if you have deep trust between the civilians and the military leaders that we have one purpose to defend the constitution, to defend the country, to be apolitical, to stand up for the rule of law. And if the president transmits orders that say violate the law, and then expects the military to violate the law when theyve sworn to uphold the constitution and when they can be prosecuted for violating the law. So maybe the president would be immune, not subject to to prosecution, but the military wouldnt, from the generals down to the soldiers, would not be immune from prosecution you should, you put them in a terrible by new destroy the trust that has to exist between civilian and military leaders. You put military Service Members in jeopardy that can do nothing. But destroy the bedrock principles on which our military operates. At cars. Americans to wonder why they should support our military are asked her sons and daughters to serve when its being used for political ends it can cheer our enemies in Foreign Countries that would do us harm because theyre sitting there saying this democracy that they keep talking about is, is a figment of imagination. Theyre president can order the military to do illegal things just like ours can thats not what the founders had in mind when they created our constitution. Thats what were worried about. And because this is such a serious subject is why people overcome their hesitancy to involve themselves in these kinds of matters and say, wait, this is just wrong for our country. Its wrong for a military. Its wrong for the role that our country should play in the world defending democracy, defending the rule of law not violating the rule of law. And if youve spent any time around people who were at the highest levels of the military. You understand how hesitant as you put it, they are to weigh in on matters like this. So it is extraordinary that they have from our Army Secretary caldera. I thank you very much for speaking with us tonight. Thank you, abby im breaking tonight. President biden with his most direct criticism of israel, yet since the war started. But hes calling a mistake and outrageous and ill speak live with a jewish war reporter who says, israel is committing crimes. Plus justin rfks running mate says that she received a letter from a democratic congressman calling on her to quit the ticket because it hurts biden. 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