the obstruction of justice, the abuse of power, and the corruption. our goal is to vindicate the rule of law, to protect the rule of law in this country. >> cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill. kaitlan collins is at the white house for us. manu, let me start with you. other than the harsh reality that elections have consequences, what are lawmakers telling you about all of this on the hill today? >> reporter: well, they believe -- the democrats believe that these document requests should be fulfilled rather easily over the next two weeks, given that these 81 individuals have participated in some level of investigation over the last couple of years. and they say the record requests are not, at that point, in two weeks, the next steps could be subpoenas. they do expect public hearings at some point, but all of that still needs to be sorted out. that's on the house side, the democrats are ramping up their investigation. on the senate side, republicans are still in the majority and democrats here are trying to push the republicans to investigate, at least the president's role in those hush money payments, to silence those alleged affairs that occurred, those payments during the 2016 elections and the president's reimbursement of those payments in 2017. and senate republicans today are rejecting calls to investigate. >> we should bring back donald trump junior and other witnesses who have knowledge about the hush money payments, the senate judiciary committee has responsibility to be more aggressive in continuing its investigation, which, unfortunately, was short circuited. >> this is all about setting up the stage for impeachment proceedings. that's pretty clear. >> but why is it not a concern of yours, that the president may have been involved in hush money scheme? >> there's been investigations by the special counsel and others, if there's any evidence of crimes, i'm sure he will un -- find evidence of that. but if there's not, i think what the democrats are worried about now is after all of the hysteria over the alleged collusion that they're worried the mueller report will come up with basically nothing against the president, as regards collusion. >> reporter: and cornyn ee's vi is in line with other senate chairman, including ron johnson. he told me that he has no plans to investigate that rnhush mone payment. he said he's going to wait for the mueller report going forward. so you're seeing a pretty stark division between democrats going very aggressively over all aspects of the president's personal, political life, business life, raising concerns about abuse of power and obstruction of justice, and republicans not planning to do any of that, believing that is an overreach and not planning to do that kind of oversight, kate? >> all right, manu. much more to come. great to see you. so, kaitlan, this push may not be entirely unexpected from democrats in the house. though, how broad the focus is might be. what are you hearing there? >> reporter: well, kate, they knew it was going to be broad, but they didn't realize it was going to be this broad. they've been preparing this since the democrats took back the house in the midterm elections, and they know that this is essentially their new reality. and right now, they're bracing for more document requests like this, including potentially going after the president's tax returns. now, publicly, the white house and the president are saying that they will cooperate with these requests, but you can look at their statements they put out yesterday. one, they put out a statement saying, yes, we received this request, we're going to review it. pretty standard, not a lot there. and then came the second statement from sarah sanders, saying chairman nadler and his fellow democrats have embarked on this fishi ining exhibition because they are terrified their two-year witch hunt is crumbling. they're more interested in political games and catering to a leftist base than producing results for our citizens. she ends, the democrats are not after the truth, they are after the president. essentially echoing what you heard those republicans manu was talking to there say as well. now, kate, the question is going to be, what is their response going forward? and certainly people could slow walk the document request. they could defy subpoenas. and there is a chance the president could exert executive privilege over some of these documents, like those pertaining to his conversations with the former white house counsel, don mcgahn. that's the question here. if the president does decide to do that, it would be a very distinct turn in how they respond to this so far, kate. >> good to see you, kaitlan. thank you so much. thank you, manu, as well. joining me to discuss is charlie dent, a political commentator. so what's your -- what do you think of this strategy? it's kind of almost a blanket request from house judiciary for documents from 81 people and entities in every aspect of the president's world. what do you think of this? >> well, my initial reaction is, i think that their requests are -- some of them are a bit premature. i would, frankly, have a more targeted strategic approach to the document request. that's just me. but maybe their strategy is not to impeach the president, but to, you know, to kill him with a thousand cuts. they're throwing as much up against the wall and see what will stick. now, they've sent out requests for documents for about 80 people. and i suspect it may take a little bit of time to get those, for the reasons that kaitlan collins just mentioned. so i think they should be more targeted. they should let director mueller help inform their investigation. i mean, i know it's hard to be patient, but let's see what that report says before they cast this wide a net. >> and it will be interesting what comes out of the report and how casting of the net changes, if it does, once the report does come out. the president calls it a fishing exhibition. do you think he's justified in calling it that? >> well, despite the merits of many of these requests, and i think many of these requests are meritorious, but because it is a wider net, it does help the president with that narrative that this looks more like a fishing exhibition, when they throw this much out, this early. so i think this should have been better sequenced in terms of the document request. you sitill could have gotten 80 but i don't know that i would have put out that request in one fell swoop. >> so the flip side of it, jerry nadler is speaking out about kind of why so much at this one time. let me play you what he said on what he said last night on cnn, about why the list is so big, why the list is so broad. listen. >> for two years, the trump administration has been attacking the core functions of our democracy and the congress has refused to do any oversight. they've refused to -- they've shielded him, they've acted more as shields than what congress is supposed to do, which is to be a check and a balance. we are going to be the check and the balance. >> i mean, look, nadler's point is, is that they're playing catch-up a bit after two years of what he views as no oversight. does he have a point? >> he has a point. and certainly, the trump administration is a target-rich environment. but when everything's a priority, nothing's a priority. so i think really the issue for the democrats is, where do they want to focus their efforts? i know that the chairman laid out three areas that he felt were very important for his oversight, but, still, he's not going to be able to see all of these people at once. i think it would be better to sequence this. and once robert mueller issues his report, that will inform some of their judgments. and they'll be able to find areas where they think, you know, mueller didn't do enough work or mueller may open up more paths for them. and i think that might help them a bit. but i get it, you know, they're anxious, they're under a lot of pressure to move. and that's why i think nadler did what he did. >> and nadler says kind of on the question of impeachment, he says that impeachment proceedings are a long way off. a long way down the road. do you think that's the case? >> i do, actually. i think jerry nadler and speaker pelosi have both indicated that they believe that it will be very difficult to engage in a partisan impeachment process. i don't see the democrats really moving forward on impeachment, unless there is something really big out of the mueller report or unless they get republicans to join them in the effort to impeachment. other than that, i don't think they're going to want to do this. they realize there is a risk to this partisan-only impeachment process. they saw what happened with bill clinton and how it, in the end, it may have helped him. so i think they're treading very cautiously here. >> something that's oddly broken through partisan politics, the president -- somewhat. the president's emergency declaration to get more money for the border. so the house voted on this resolution to stop the emergency, if you will. the senate has to vote on it now. they will be doing that soon. right now it appears there are enough republicans to defy the president on this one, but then the president vetoes it and they don't have veto-proof majority. what does this whole episode mean for washington? >> well, i believe that, you know, this is -- i think this is a very easy vote for republicans. i believe rand paul made a very good argument for conservative republicans. they may agree with the president on policy, but this encroachment on legislative authority is just a bridge too far, he would have never stood for it with the obama administration or the democratic administration, so i think they have a very easy -- i think republicans have a very easy "yes" vote here. so i do think this is going to pass. i don't know how many are going to vote for this in the end. i doubt they'll get to the veto-proof majority, but i would expect, you know, maybe ten or more republicans could end up voting for this, this resolution of disapproval. i think it's a very easy vote. i hear mcconnell is not putting much pressure on republicans. and what's the white house going to say, you know? how much pressure are they going to be able to put on them? >> that's a good point. you wonder what lessons are learned, if any. i'm doubtful, being cynical, that any lessons are learned from this episode. good to see you, congressman. thanks for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> thank you. coming up for us, is michael cohen's team in search for a pardon? 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>> i can hear you. thanks for joining me. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. what did the -- what did michael cohen's attorney ask for and when? >> from what we understand is that in the weeks after this april raid last year, he contacted at least five lawyers for the president and his company, including rudy giuliani, who joined about -- who joined the president's legal team about ten days after that raid. and raised the possibility of a pardon with those lawyers. it's unclear how directly he said, you know, i want one or just continued to raise it with these people. but these were happening at a time that the lawyer, steve ryan was working alongside those lawyers to review files seized by cohen's premises from the fbi to determine whether they were protected by attorney/client privilege. >> how much of a read have you been able to get as to how trump's legal team responded to this? >> so our understand sthing is the president's lawyers largely dismissed the idea of a pardon. but we also spoke to rudy giuliani on the record for the story. and giuliani declined to say specifically whether he spoke with lawyers for cohen. but said that he has often been approached by lawyers about pardons more their clients and that he always says the same thing, which is that the president is not currently going to consider any pardons and nobody should think that he is, but that whatever happens in the future, it's up to the president. so while that clearly is offering a pardon in that moment, it's also leaving the door to one in the future. >> mm-hmm. how much did michael cohen know about this? >> that's a question that we don't know the answer to. so as you mentioned, cohen said before the house oversight committee last week that he had never asked for a pardon. and there is no indication from our reporting that he personally asked for a pardon and we also don't know whether he was aware of these discussions that his lawyer was having at the time. >> i find that fascinating. and also, this is a really important part about all of this. because, of course it gets to the question of what your sense is, rebecca, of your reporting, and what you're hearing from your sources and his statement to congress last week. and whether both can be accurate. >> right. and i think what we've seen in the last week since his testimony is that republicans on the house oversight committee have already sought to refer michael cohen to the justice department for perjury in that testimony. so i think that if more information comes out that he was aware of these or that he did personally ask for a pardon, i think that could potential be problematic for him. >> that's great reporting, rebecca, as always. thanks so much for coming on. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> so joining me now, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, paul callan, and cnn political reporters and editor at large, chris cillizza. great to see you guys. paul, from rebecca's reporting, it's unclear how much michael cohen knew about the conversations his attorney was having with trump's legal team. do you -- when you see her reporting and see what michael cohen told congress, can both of those statements be accurate? >> yeah, they both can be true. and what i see is inept questioning done by the congressmen during the hearing. because they should have said to him, have you ever discussed with anyone the possibility of getting a presidential pardon? instead, they allowed him to get off the hook and he said, um, i've never personally asked for a presidential pardon. so, the questioning wasn't specific enough to lock him in on a perjury charge. >> that's something that michael cohen should have been more forthcoming about? >> not necessarily. lawyers tell clients, ask only the question you are asked. answer only the question you were asked. because you don't want to give extra information that could expose you to additional charges. so i'm not surprised he stuck to an answer that was simply responsive to the question. >> chris, if he wasn't telling the full truth here, what does this mean for his seven-plus hours of testimony that people watched with rapt attention last week? >> so, yeah, paul, i always defer to him on legal matters, and legally speaking, cohen may have been doing the right thing and answered only the question he was asked, but remember what we are being asked from a broad political conceit, we were being asked to believe that a man who had been convicted of lying dong, who was going to jail for that and other things in two months, was now on the straight and narrow. was now going to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. politically, i think this and the questions of whether he ever wanted a job in the white house, yes, are they major points? i don't know. i want depends on your perspective. but what they do is undermine the idea that michael cohen had some sort of moment, whether it was when they raided his home or when he pleaded guilty, he had a moment of revelation in which he decided, i'm going to speak the full truth. i'm not going to walk this fine line or slice that onion so thin that legally i might be okay, but common sense would say, huh, you probably should have said that. so i think the more things like this come up, the more difficult it is to believe that a guy who has admitted to lying repeatedly never hedged, fudged, if not outright lied, which i don't think we have any proof he did, but if not outright lied during that hear, and that's problematic in terms of his credibility. >> i also wonder, paul, if you're representing a client in a situation like this, you don't know how much michael cohen knew. that's"the wall street journal" tells us. we don't know how much he knew about the conversations being had with his attorney. would you reach out to explore the question of the possibility of a pardon without the go ahead or having informed your client you were doing so? >> that's a great question and i think a lot of people are concerned about that. wouldn't the lawyers discuss this with their client if they were going to raise the subject of a pardon? and surprisingly wib, i would s not necessarily. lawyers, when they're involved isn't the discovery process, they're going through thousands of documents trying to determine where there's privilege or a privilege issue involved. small talk goes on between the attorneys and what they do is try to get information from the other side. so it's not unusual for all kinds of subjects to be raised by the attorneys that may not have been raised by the client himself before the session. it's small talk among attorneys, and if they pick up little nuggets of information, they use that to help their case. >> all fascinating, especially in light of everything we're looking at here. there's another interesting thing that we're going to get to, i want to play for you guys. an interesting take on the special counsel, coming from one of the president's former white house attorneys, ty cobb. he joined the white house just, to remind everyone, ty cobb joined the white house shortly after the administration started and left this last may. and here is what he now tells abc. >> i think bob mueller is an american hero. i've known him for 30 years as a prosecutor and a friend. and i think the world of bob mueller. he's a -- he is a very deliberate guy. but he's also a class act. and a very justice oriented person. >> i just find that fascinating, chris, in what ty cobb is saying now. and i don't know why -- it leaves me to wonder if this means that ty cobb is confident that robert mueller, what he comes up with, will be good news for president trump. >> here's what i would caution on that. ty cobb, from the start, is someone who urged donald trump to work as much -- and the people around donald trump -- to work with special counsel robert mueller, to not attack him publicly. to sort of play ball, because that was in their best interests. the reason that ty cobb no longer works there, and for the president, is because they decided on a very different strategy. rudy giuliani, in his approach to mueller, to cooperation, to what he says publicly, is the exact opposite of what ty cobb counseled. so i think donald trump eventually reverted to form, which is the, we're going to attack, attack, attack, because ultimately, this isn't about the legal processes, for trump, this is about the political danger of impeachment. so ty cobb, i think, was dealing in the world of the legal world, in which he saw trump had not all that much of vulnerability and playing ball made sense. giuliani very much dealing in the world of politics, where impeachment, not indictment swb t is the threat. radically different approaches. >> great to see you. thank you, paul, thank you, chris. coming up for us, a new story we're following this morning, a top u.s. general warning about the growing military threat from russia. where he wants to send more u.s. troops and warships now and why. that's next. ♪ t-mobile will do the math for you. right now, when you join t-mobile, you get two lines of unlimited with two of the latest phones included for just one hundred bucks a month. and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. you're smart,eat you already knew that. but it's also great for finding the perfect used car. you'll see what a fair price is and you can connect with a truecar certified dealer. now you're even smarter. this is truecar. that we're playing "four on four" with a barbershop quartet? 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>> well, this is a program that's been controversial since it was revealed by edward snowden several years ago, as he revealed classified information about u.s. surveillance. it was begun in an effort after 9/11 to try and monitor metadata, essentially, phone calls, where they were being made, the duration, the time of the calls. not the content of them. but it was controversial, the entire time because so many americans felt that theee eavesdropping on them. it was meant, according to the government, to have a window into telecommunications, if there were terrorists trying to call into the united states and plot and plan. but it appears now, after all of this time, the program is up for reauthorization and republican congressional staffers say they believe the administration has made the decision not to reauthorize it, to let this 9/11-era program simply expire. no official word, however, from the trump administration. no official word from the u.s. intelligence community yet, that that is absolutely what they're going to do. bit does appear it's headed in that direction. kate? 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get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! right now, rescue teams are still searching for more survivors after the deadly tornadoes that ripped through alabama this weekend. and just moments ago, officials released the identities of all 23 people who were killed. let's get the very latest from the ground. the search, the rescue, and the names of the victims. cnn's victor blackwell, he is there in salem, up with of the hardest hit places. victor, what's the very latest you're learning? >> well, kate, the very latest is, we've gotten now the list of names of those 23 people who were killed, when the tornadoes came through lee county, including four children. i'm going to read you the children's names now. armando hernandez, age 6. 8-year-old mckala walden. #-year-old jonathan marquez bowen. and 10-year-old taylor thornton. there is also one family by marriage, according to officials here, that lost seven members. there are several names here with repeated last names, and they now have to plan seven funerals between that connected family. we're told that there are still people unaccounted for. and as you know, kate, and everyone has learned after these natural disasters, that these numbers fluctuate. soon after the storm, there were more than two dozen people missing. the number we got this morning from emergency management, there was two to three, but we just learned in a news conference, that could be seven or eight people still missing, unaccounted for. they're now bringing in heavy equipment to continue to search. and they're really narrowing in on specific areas that were hard hit and that are connected to addresses that have been given to them by family members who are still waiting for those unaccounted for. on the storms themselves, there were four tornados that came through alabama. we know that the storm that caused the damage around me is an ef-4, with winds at 170 miles per hour. but the national weather service representative said that they're now extending that track from nationally what was said to be 24 miles up to potentially 70 miles, that storm was on and off the ground, even into georgia. the three other storms, all upgraded to ef-2, which means their winds were 111 miles or more. but of course, the center of this story, the people and the continued search. officials say that right now, this is still a targeted search and rescue, but they hope to transition this into a recovery, even later today, kate. >> it is still so hard to wrap your mind around, the force of what that storm must have brought, to bring about the devastation that is around you and in this video that we're seeing, but an important update, such a sad update. 23 people killed. their identities now released. four children included in that and seven members of one family, as you're telling us, victor. our prayers with all of them. thank you so much, victor. really appreciate it. still to come for us, the family of a harvard-educated doctor and u.s. citizen says he is being jailed and tortured by the saudi government. he's been held there for over a year. why is president trump staying silent on this one? 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>> well, as of this moment, my understanding is that we have had what's called consular access, meaning american diplomats in saudi arabia have visited with him. beyond that, we don't really have any additional information at this point. >> why the silence here when you've seen the president doesn't shy away from calling out friend or foe, if he wants to? let me bring in fareed zakaria, the host of "fareed zakaria gps" for more on this. fareed, we -- everyone knows that the president doesn't hold back when he chooses. and he advocates for the release of other americans who have been detained in other countries. andrew brunson in turkey is one example and there are other examples. why do you think there has been such silence when it comes to this? >> well, it is astonishing, you're absolutely right to point out that this is an american citizen. he may have another passport, but many americans have that. and he has -- he was arrested a year ago. he was one of those people put in the ritz carlton. the reports are that he was tortured right at the time he was arrested, so a year ago. he has not been charged with anything formally. we have no knowledge of evidence against him about anything. and you heard john bolton, the president's national security adviser, expressing no outrage, no opposition, no protest, simply matter of fact, you know, stating in a matter of fact way that an american citizen has been seized by a government that is a close ally of the united states, tortured and held in prison, and he seemed to talk about it as if it was just a normal procedure, just standard practice. one wonders whether this is part of the president's unusual relationship with saudi arabia. where he really has subcontracted american foreign policy to riyadh, the saudi capital, and this may be part of it. he's willing to yell and scream and demand the release of american prisoner, americans held almost everywhere, except saudi arabia. >> yeah, and it's is not just -- it's not just one time. it's not just one instance that makes you wonder. add that to the murder of jamal khashoggi, someone that you consider a friend, and when you look at, he's killed by saudi arabia, the official word from the president, in some way, shape, or form is that the king and the crowned prince, they say they had nothing to do with it and there's nothing more he can do about it. i mean, do you -- i don't -- do you k-- i wonder in another administration, what would be -- what would be happening right now that would be different? >> at the very least, i think will would be an official acknowledgement that this was wrong, that there would be a protest lodged. if you notice, john bolton did not even say, we have lodged a protest with the saudi government. we have asked for an explanation. he just seemed to say, well, we have consular access, that's about all i can tell you. >> it literally sounded like he was reading a statement from the state department. >> and what's extraordinary about this firstly, it has not been a historically repressive police state, it's been a passive state. they don't really jail them and torture them, although there was some of that. the paradox of this crown prince is he has done important reforms in saudi arabia, like letting women drive, letting entertainment into the country. but he has also been very authoritarian. so there has been a kind of additional repression, but repression against american citize citizens -- i may be wrong about this, but it strikes me as very unusual if not unique. the saudis are very careful about how they handle americans because they know their security depends on their american allies. the fact they would do something like this tells you they really feel like that he have a cart bla blanche from donald trump. trump has said, i like you guys, and that gives them the feeling they can do anything they want without bothering to explain why. >> especially when it comes to the case of jamal khashoggi, you have talked about how it is an opportunity, and in such a sad way, to force reforms, appropriate reforms by the crown prince, by the saudi government. do you see any indication that that is happening, there is any attempt on the part of the united states to do that? >> so far we haven't seen anything, and that's been the tragedy. because this is a missed opportunity. it's obviously a horrible, horrible situation. but if you view it and say to the saudis, this is your wake-up call. you know, you really need to get serious about moving in a different direction. cut out the crazy farm policy, the war in yemen, the standoff in qatar, cut out the kind of intense anti-sheer rhetoric, cut out the jailing businessmen without charges. let's get rid of reform but not under the whim of one man. that's what saudi arabia seems to be doing, creating this society-based narcissistic process where if he wants to jail you, he jails you. the core of modern government is it's not about one man, it's about a system of rules. but the problem is the american president right now doesn't seem to believe that himself. >> also, it's not like we live in a world that the u.s. government and american presidents only deal with friends or good actors or everyone who has a good track record when it comes to human rights. every president has dealt with, works with bad actors, if you will, especially on the human rights front. that is the harsh reality of today. but it does seem that this is different. >> this is different because, as i say, it does seem -- there is a new authoritarianism in saudi arabia, a new centralization of power. but the biggest change from our point of view, frankly, is they don't do this to americans. what's breathtaking here is that under -- in what is meant to be one of the closest alliances in the world, the saudis have felt free to do this, and donald trump hasn't said anything. >> the silence, as it often is, is deafening on this one. thanks, fareed. thanks for coming in. i really appreciate it. coming for us, there is new hope for the fight against hiv and aids. for the second time, a patient may be cured of the virus. what does this mean for the almost 37 million people infected with hiv and aids worldwide? 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>> these are hiv patients who had both hiv and cancer. they were going to get stem cell implants, anyway, for their cancer, so they gave them a mutation that made them immune to hiv. when they got that treatment, it effectively cured them. 12 years later for the first patient, the so-called berlin patient, he is not taking hiv meds and he does not have hiv. the second patient, still no trace of hiv. >> even off anti-virals. it's amazing. could this potentially work for all hiv patients? >> here's the problem, kate. stem cell drugs are risky. you only want to take them if you have cancer and it's the only treatment available to you. if you don't have cancer and you do have hiv, you're much better off taking hiv meds which are safer and very effective. it would be unethical to try it out. so they're trying to make this treatment safer so they can give it to more hiv patients, but that's way down the road. >> because they tried this before, right, elizabeth? >> they did. they tried it in other patients besides these two and it did not work. so that's important to remember, it worked for these two but not another set of patients. so this is not a perfect approach by any means. >> it's really remarkable stuff. what's next steps? >> the next steps, kate, is to figure out how do you take this treatment that is so risky and try to make it safe? so that's the next step. also trying to figure out why did it work for these two and it didn't work for others? that's why as a typical kind of standard medicine, this is years away and actually may never work. but if it does work, it's years away, but it's an exciting development. >> take a breakthrough when you can get it when it comes to this. >> exactly. thank you for joining me at this hour. 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