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southwest of austin. there was an explosion here on a conveyor belt. a medium sized package. we have heard reports that it was sent by somebody in austin, to somebody in austin, the atf has not yet confirmed that to us. then shortly after 6:00 a.m. this morning, a call went into austin pd of a suspicious package at another fedex sorting facility up near the austin airport. no word on whether that turned out to be a device or just a suspicious package. but as you mentioned, there has been a spree of bombings in austin since march 2nd. three parcels were left on people's doorsteps, detonated, killing two people, injuring one woman, and then sunday night there was a trip wire that triggered another device injuring two men. so this is an ever changing investigation. initially the police, the authorities, the 500 federal agents down here, were looking for somebody hand delivering packages to homes. then mo changed. there was the trip wire. and now these packages apparently sent through fedex. >> nick watt, thank you so much. i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former u.s. marshal art roderick and in new york, cnn law enforcement analyst and former supervisory special agent at the fbi, james galliano. this is now the third different tactic that we have seen. this is a bomb that was shipped, it was on a conveyor belt. it was filled with shrapnel. what does that tell you about the suspect here? >> sure, we know the bomb e expanded his portfolio. started out with delivering packages. did it by himself, with an accomplice, weren't shipped anywhere. the next device, the fourth one i believe had a trip wire, which was the switch that ignited it, a target of opportunity so we know he wasn't targeting anyone in particular. and now this last one that exploded just after midnight, appears to have been shipped to that facility or it was hand delivered to that facility. these are three separate delivery systems. now, when it comes to bombs, every bomber has his own signature. and the device is basically made up of four components, a power source, which can be a battery, you have an initiator which can be a blasting cap, you have the actual explosives and then the shrapnel that could be part of it. and then you have the switch. the issue here is with bombs, which makes it so frightening, is the lethality of them. most people that come in contact with a bomb, most casualties come out of the overpressure that comes out of it. then if there is shrapnel introduced like we're hearing this one may have had nails or nuts and bolts in it, that can create a problem. and the last thing is the thermal effect. this has authorities on just -- perplexed from the sense of it looks like the frequency and raed bity of the attacks different from the unabomber back in the late '70s and early '90s who essentially mailed 16 packages within a 17-year span. we now could possibly have six connected devices and packages within a two-week period. >> it is so many. because i think people are -- think back to the unabomber. this is six packages in this short span with different types of tactics. does that tell you anything about how advanced the planning may have been or some sort of experience that this suspect may have? >> that's exactly what it tells me. but there is also three things complicating this whole investigation. number one is, you know, the method of operation has changed. which definitely makes it a lot more difficult. there is no -- number two, no connection between the perpetrator and the victims. that's also very difficult. >> that we know of or sounds like definitely there's not. >> at this point, you know, we sort of have -- it started off where it could have been targeted and then we have this random trip wire explosive that was set up a couple of days ago. so this makes it a lot more difficult for any crime to be solved when there is no connection between the perpetrator and the victim. >> they must assume, authorities, that there is a connection between -- that's the first thing they're going to consider, right? or they're going to try to hypothesis check that, are there connections between the different kinds of bombings. what would your expectation be? >> that's the big part here, connect these last two explosives at the fedex facilities with the other four explosives and this is the other issue, the third issue that complicates this investigation would be a copycat issue, somebody else doing this now, trying to glom to this press occurring with the series of bombings going on around the austin neighborhoods. >> why have the authorities not labeled the bombings as terrorism. this is domestic, but it seems clear that this is terrorism. >> this new type, where they're not being delivered but could just be targets of opportunity that they're victim activated. you step on a trip wire, and it sets it off, or just gets -- it explodes or detonates while at a facility, just being handled. authorities are very careful about that for a couple of reasons. first is, terrorism has a very distinct definition. it is violence or intimidation in the pursuit of political or social goals. we have to get into the mind set of the bomber here. that's very difficult to do at this early stage. why is that? well, crime scenes are difficult to process. post blast analysis involves harvesting evidence that oftentimes is destroyed in the blast. the other consideration here is being careful -- we don't want to get out ahead of our skis, but initially i believe the first three packages that were delivered were on the east side of austin. they were delivered to homes of people of color or latinos. the issues that they had -- we immediately us isuspected a potential hate crime. then when it moved to the west side, into a different neighborhood, and it was basically victim activated, that changed. we're going to see the behavioral analysis, the folks that put together psychological profiles go through this with a fine toothed comb and i expect that the information we get out of this upcoming presser will be critical to helping steer us toward a motive. >> yeah, we are awaiting that press conference, i should say, we expect it is going to start any moment, we'll be taking that live as soon as it does begin. this was shipped through fedex. so that could provide some clues or maybe it would not. everything -- just off the top of my head, i'm thinking if you have to walk into a facility, would there be cameras, what type of payment was used, all of these things. what would you be looking for? >> hopefully there is some forensics on that particular package, dna or fingerprints. but i think that's the key to actually solving this case. three things that will solve this case, going to be the painstaking review of all of the video in these particular areas, whether it is at the fedex facility, where this was shot from, or from household security cameras or business cameras around the area. >> or someone even remembering the person, right, who mails -- i think of -- i think of, for instance, oklahoma city bombing and it was someone actually remembering what someone looked like as they made purchases that helped them track down timothy mcveigh and his -- >> the other interesting thing here is this individual is watching all these pressers, press conferences, watching the news and changing his method of operation. >> i want to go to brian todd. brian todd, tell us what you're hearing as we await this press conference. >> right, we're hearing the latest on the casualties is three people injured, all of them students here at great mills high school in great mills, maryland, about an hour and 45 minutes south of washington, d.c. according to st. mary's county sheriff, tim cameron, the shooter entered the school early this morning, confronted another student, a female, shot her, shot another student, and then a school resource officer and engaged the shooter and ended the threat. the threat was contained very quickly, we're told, by the sheriff, we are expecting a briefing later on to find out more information about the nature of the shooting, the weapon used, and any possible relationship between the shooter and the victims. that's what we don't know at this hour. but a big part of what happened today, brianna, is that school resource officer, according to the sheriff, kwuk lquickly engae shooter and ended the threat here. behind us, a constant flurry of police activity, but also school buses have been escorting students out of here, to nearby leonard town high school. just north of here on great mills road. they have been -- the sheriff deputies and others escorting bus loads of students where there say staging area where they will meet their parents. >> brian todd, i'm so sorry to interrupt you, we have to go to texas where a press conference has begun on the package bombings that we have seen there. >> the safety of the employees and the public has been, is and remains our principle focus. pertinent to the focus on public safety, the city of schertz is engaged and is working in cooperation with the fbi and the atf. here with me this morning are my chief of police michael hansen, assistant special agent in charge james smith from the fbi, and assistant special agent in charge, frank ortega from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. at this time, i would like to recognize our chief of police michael hansen who will provide you with some additional information. chief? >> thank you. good morning. at approximately 12:25 this morning, an explosion was called in to the police department. it occurred at the facility at 9935 duer lane. members of the schertz police, fire and ems responded and determined that in fact an explosion had occurred. shortly thereafter, members of the san antonio police department bomb unit, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives, and the fbi arrived as well. a package had been traveling along the automated conveyor when it had exploded. one employee that was standing near the explosion later complained of wringing in the ears, she was treated and released. we were very fortunate that there were no injuries. it is very early in the investigation, obviously. but we're confident that neither this facility, nor any location in the schertz area, was a target. with that said, need to reiterate the message that we heard so often recently that if you have a package that was not expected, if you are suspicious of the return address, if you come across any suspicious object, do not touch it, do not move it, but contact 911. we should take this opportunity to thank the assistance provided by the fbi, the batf, texas department of public safety, the san antonio police department, the bexar county sheriff's office and the resources that have been provided by the southwest, texas, regional advisory counsel and the bcfs emergency management. i'll open it for questions. [ inaudible question ] >> can't go into the details of the package. still under investigation. we just arrived pretty much and we're entering the building as we speak. >> -- supposedly from austin. was it labeled? >> can't say where the package was destined for. we're still under investigation. >> could this be the work of a copycat, because it was sent directly to -- >> that's what we're working on right now. we're trying to understand what actually happened. we're trying to search through the evidence and let the evidence take us to where we need to go. [ inaudible question ] >> we're still looking into it. we're still early on. it happened late last night. and we arrived early in the morning. so we're still working on it. >> do you suspect this is connected to the serial bomber in austin? >> we do not know at this point right now. >> i'm sorry? >> can you confirm the package had nails and shrapnel? >> i can't confirm that right now. >> how do you know this wasn't meant for somebody right here? >> we can't compare them. we just entered the building recently. we have to make sure the building is safe before we can go in. so we're still at the early stages. >> how do you know this was not meant for someone here in schertz? >> we can't confirm that right now. we just entered the building. >> just said that it wasn't targeted for anyone here. >> we just entered the building. we're trying to understand that right now. but right now we have no indications that there is any issues or threats to the public here in schertz. >> can you tell us the size of the package, if there is any evidence for you to actually gather? >> i can't go into the details of that now. >> is there anything new you can add? >> it is still an ongoing investigation and we can't provide that information at this time. >> are there employees in the facility still? are they kept there? are they released? >> all the precautions have been taken, necessary precautions have been taken. and the -- right now investigators are conducting their investigation. [ inaudible question ] >> i'm sorry, can you repeat that? [ inaudible question ] >> we're working with various delivery companies now with the ongoing investigation. they have security procedures and protocols. they're doing the normal steps with security and protocols, but we are working with them on the regular packages throughout the day. >> is this fedex facility offline right now? is this fedex facility operating in any way? do people have to wait for their actages packages to come? >> we're working with the delivery company about the packages in there. we just entered the building, so the building has been evacuated. we are ensuring that it is safe to go forward. >> what can you tell us -- can you tell people who may be concerned that it may be connected and they're genuinely scared. we go from austin to northwest san antonio. what can you tell people? >> this is a very fluid investigation and we want the general public to know that their safety is our number one priority. so we encourage anybody in the public that has information to call our tip line 512-472-tips. if they have any information, all leads will be pursued. and investigated. again, public safety is our number one priority. >> agents here in central and south texas, this is still happening. who can you calm people's fears? you have more than 500 federal agents, atf already victimed, th investigated, this is the atf's top priority, another package has exploded, what can you do to calm people's fears? >> we have agents from across the country, we have our national response team here, we got canine explosive detection canines here, we have intel research specialists. we're working hand and hand with our fbi partners, state and local partners, we have -- we have been working around the clock. again, the public safety is our number one priority. and we are providing all the resources that we can to finally find some -- the person or individuals responsible for this. >> you confident you'll be able to pull the name on the package? >> again, we can't go into that right now. >> i understand. >> we're trying to search through the evidence. we're at the early stages of this partilar event here? >> -- surveillance video what kind of evidence do you have now? >> can't go into the evidence we do have. but we have just approached this building. we're only three or four hours into this. first priority was to remembend this building safe so they can gather the evidence. we're still -- we're going to be here for a little while. >> anything else going on in the facility? >> we have not done i search yet. >> what about the one at the facility fedex in austin by the airport? is that connected at all? >> i'm unaware of that. >> there is agents there too. you are here, there are agents also at fedex facilities back in austin. why are you there? >> i don't know why we're there. >> we're asking people not to come here, we're still a crime scene. we're still searching the -- >> one more question. >> we're still searching the packages to ensure there is no other devices there. so we're asking just people be patient and if they know of something, definitely call your local fbi, local atf or local police department and report it. we need the public's help right now. [ inaudible question ] >> you'd have to contact fedex on that one. >> what kind of damage is there inside? >> we just don't know right now. >> what do you know? you're giving us a whole bunch of we don't know. what can you tell us? >> we can tell you that the -- again, the public safety is our number one priority. and we're following all leads that we received, that's why we encourage the general public to help us out and provide any information that they may have by again calling our tip line. one last question, please. one at a time, please? this is an ongoing investigation. i can't get into the details of that right now. >> all right, we are listening to this press conference. not too far outside of san antonio, texas, about the package bombs that have been exploded, that have exploded. last night one on a conveyor belt at a fedex processing facility. that followed an explosion from a trip wire, just before that. and then package bombs that we had seen in the austin area. i want to bring back cnn law enforcement analyst and former u.s. marshal art roderick in new york, cnn law enforcement analyst and former supervisory special agent at the fbi james galliano with us. if you live in this area, this was not necessarily a comforting press conference for you. as you are looking at the authorities answer, all of these questions, it becomes so clear this is an investigation that is expanding as the methods of the explosions are expanding, that aren't even necessarily tied together by authorities at this point. we're not to that point where things are contracting, where you have a sense that law enforcement is really narrowing in on the cause here. >> yeah. obviously there wasn't a lot of information coming out here, the fbi just arrived on the scene. they have to make sure there is no other possible explosive packages in that particular facility and they have yet to connect this particular explosive device with the one at the other fedex facility in austin and connected those two with the four previous explosions. but you're right, i mean, this doesn't give the public a sense of safety here because the warnings keep changing. we have been warned earlier not to, you know, open up any packages, delivered from a nonregular package delivery service, whether it is fedex, u.p.s., u.s. postal service and new it appears the packages are starting to show up at facilities and there is not a lot of information. we don't even know where this package was supposed to be delivered to. james, you expect authorities know some things they're not sharing with us, that would be the hope. they really did not have a lot of answers to the questions there today. >> i got the same take away you did. you and art. i can almost feel the palpable sense of caution that was being exercised by the spokespersons for the atf and the fbi. and, look, we have to understand it within the context of this type of investigation. i served as the crisis management coordinator for new york city's fbi office, i understand how important it is to get it right in the system where you want to make sure you're giving enough information out to the public to keep them safe and keep them informed, which is our responsibility in law enforcement. but you also don't want to have anything put out there before it is confirmed or something that might tip off the perpetrator or the perpetrators. i can tell you right now what they're struggling with. i think the assistant special agent in charge from the fbi basically just mentioned this a couple of times. there is two pieces to these type of scenarios or incidents. the first piece is crisis resolution, i got to go in and interdict the bad guy or bad people. the second piece is consequence management. make sure there is nothing toxic released into the environment, make sure we're harvesting all of the evidence we need to take this to trial. first, make it safe, second, go back and put together what we need for a case. the difficulty here in post blast analysis, as art mentioned earlier if that package blows up, somebody says, who it addressed to, you're now going and all that overpressure and potential shrapnel has shredded everything, you're going to probably a large area trying to with a fine toothed comb trying to find tiny pieces to put together to give you some kind of insight first and foremost so that you can warn the public about something official. >> gentlemen, thank you so much for that. we appreciate it. coming up, an increasingly agitated president trump shaking up his legal team as the special counsel prepares to question the commander in chief. why sources say the president is growing more irate over the russia probe by the day. at crowne plaza, we know business travel isn't just business. there's this. a bit of this. why not? your hotel should make it easy to do all the things you do. which is what we do. crowne plaza. we're all business, mostly. crowne plaza. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding 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fired. he pursued the shooter, engaged the shooter, he fired a round at the shooter. simultaneously the shooter fired a round as well. so in the hours to come, in the days to come, through detailed investigation, we will be able to determine if our school resource officer's round struck the shooter, the school resource officer is uninjured and was not struck by any firearm projectile. the sro is with our detectives now, as are witnesses to the event. they are still at the high school in a secured area. the remainder of the students from great mills high school, as our protocol and process and training, we brought buses in and had them removed to the tech center in leonard town for parent reunification. that is ongoing as we speak. i would like to thank my colleagues from the allied agencies that responded. it was a mass response this morning from police, fire and rescue. charles county sheriff's office, thank you. major morris, thank you. maryland state police responded as did nas police, calvert county sheriff's office, the fbi, and the atf. at 1:00, i hope to give you more details about this event. i know you have a number of questions. i'm alerted to a number of things out there on social media about the potential relationship between the shooter and any of the victims. at this time we can't confirm any of that. that is what this investigation will do. and at 1:00 i will anticipate being able to release the identities of perhaps the shooter and the victims as well. and we would know by then that notification is being made. so, again, i wanted to lay the ground work for what's to come at 1:00. >> can you confirm the identity of the resource officer? >> no, i can't. not at this time. >> have there been threats posted on social media a month or two ago at school? did would you say what happened today is related to that? >> we'll determine if anything on social media was relevant to this day. i'm not aware of anything. but we're going to go back and comb through that as well as anybody involved in their social media posts. >> how many school resource officers are there for this school? >> a school resource officer assigned to each high school. >> one? >> yes. >> we're not taking questions right now. at 1:00, i appreciate it. thank you. >> i would like to mention that the fbi has set up a 1-800 line, 1-800-call-fbi. if you have additional information, that you would like to share with us, we set that 800 line up. so please give us a call there. i'll see you all again at 1:00. thank you, all, very much. >> all right, that is a press conference that we just monitored from great mills, maryland, where there has been a school shooting. let's go back to that press conference. >> this is what we prepare for. and this is what we pray we never have to do. and on this day, we realize our worst nightmare, that our greatest asset, our children, were attacked in one of our places of -- a bastion of safety and security, one of our schools. that's what we're talking about right now across the country. and you know, the notion of it can't happen here is no longer a notion. so despite training, you hope that you never have to do this. ever. and so now we're very tight knit community. and so now what i would ask our community to do is pray for those victims, and hope that we can return to some type of normnor normalcy in our schools. >> when was your last active training exercise? >> we train on that all the time, in the schools, the last calendar year, in fact, unfortunately we had incidents that were -- people with guns in some of the schools and bomb threats which we treat similarly. so we talk about school safety, school response weekly. in fact, we have done a number of parent meetings, community meetings on this, within the last couple of months. that's all the questions i'm going to take. i'll see you at 1:00. thank you. >> all right, so we monitored the press conference about the school shooting that we have seen in maryland. and here are some of the headlines coming out of this. a male student produced a handgun. this is what authorities there just told us. wounded a female student and a male student in the hallway before classes there began. the male student who was shot is in the hospital. the female student is at another hospital, she's, we're told there, in critical condition. the shooter is dead. the shooter was confirmed dead when the shooting took place. there was a school resource officer, so a police officer stationed there at the school, an sro, who was armed and shot at -- shot at the shooter. both of them having fired a round, what we learned from officials, how did the shooter die? that's something still being investigated, we're told there by facilities. they're trying to determine if it was the student resource officer firing that dill kill t the shooter. we learned some information there, obviously. a student resource officer stepping in, putting himself in harm's way, we heard -- we heard the police chief there saying this is what you hope never happens, this is what you prepare for. >> this is the scariest thing for law enforcement. because of the training that doj and the department of homeland security put first responders through, right there on the front page, it says you have to put yourself in harm's way. and we didn't see that in parkland, but saw that here. it is yet to be determined if this school resource officer actually shot and killed the individual, was a suicide by cop, or was this a suicide. so there was a little exchange there that kind of was confusing as to how this individual was neutralized, could have neutralized himself and usually -- >> he was -- is it clear he was engaged by the resource officer in. >> absolutely. i think they're going to find that probably simultaneously if this individual shot himself, the school resource officer also responded. so this is exactly how these scenarios should be laid out, but i think we also have to understand that if somebody is willing to die to commit this particular crime, it is very, very difficult to stop it. >> so we -- it is important to note, here we are at 11:30 eastern time, we're expecting to get here in less than 90 minutes another update, we'll be keeping our eye on that, the remainder of the students at this point at school are being removed so that they can be reunified with their parents. that's what you expect. this shooter is a male, as we understand it, shoots a female, shoots a male, both of them in the hospital, female is in critical condition. we don't know the relationship, that's what was also clear coming out of this. did this shooter specifically target these two individuals, did the shooter have something more in mind than just these two individuals, we do not know. did the student resource officer engaging the shooter at that point in time stop this, was this -- or was this something that the shooter was engaging in that was very targeted? we do not know at this point. >> usually in our experience when you see just a couple of casualties and generally it means it is more of a domestic situation. where the shooter actually knew the individuals that he shot. but, again, in the next 24 hours, we should be able to sort this out if this school resource officer engaged immediately, that it is clearly evident that he saved a lot of lives here, you know, who knows how many people could have been shot if the school resource officer did not engage him as he did right away. >> all right. and, again, you were looking at some pictures from great mills, maryland, where the shooting has taken place. the shooter is dead at this point in time. two students in critical condition. we're expecting another presser here shortly where we could learn potentially the identification of the shooter and more about the victims as well. we'll be keeping an eye on that. art, thank you so much to you. we'll be right back. hey! we didn't have a homeowners claim last year so 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against concerns that an increasingly frustrated president trump could push for the firing of special counsel robert mueller. here is what ryan said. >> do you agree with some of your republican colleagues that the president needs to stop attacking the special counsel? >> look, first of all, the special counsel should be free to follow through his investigation to its completion without interference, absolutely. i am confident that he'll be able to do that. i received assurances that his firing is not even under consideration. we have a -- justice system and no one is above that justice system. >> well, that reassurance coming after mueller's investigators have held their first face to face talks with the president's legal team. sources say that this could pave the way for scheduling an interview with president trump himself within a few weeks and all of this is the president shuffles his legal team at this late hour. cnn's kaitlan collin at the white house for us. how is the president reacting to the latest developments? >> reporter: we're seeing the president grow increasingly frustrated. we're told by sources that privately he's been fuming about the special counsel's investigation, but also we have seen that publicly because the president went after robert mueller for the first time by name on twitter over the weekend. certainly a lot of hostility coming from the president and this comes after a lot of developments in this latest investigation. as we know, for the first time, the president's legal team has sat down with investigators from the special counsel's office, not the special counsel himself, but investigators to discuss what they would like to speak with the president about and also comes after the trump organization was subpoenaed by the special counsel. several developments and we have seen the president grow increasingly frustrated here because as we reported, his legal team has told him for some time, this investigation was wrapping up, only to have that deadline pushed further and further back. and with these latest developments, the president can clearly see that it is accelerating, not tamping down by any means. >> kaitlan, it seems like the president is also looking to shake up his legal team. >> yeah, president clearly seems unhappy, just a little over a week ago, he tweeted it was untrue, new york times reported he was considering bringing in other lawyers to add to his legal team. but clearly that tweet did not age well. the washington post just reported a few minutes ago that the president has reached out to ted olson, very experienced high profile lawyer to speak to him about coming on and joining his legal team. we should note that the washington post does not say that olson accepted this yet, but he's only been reached out to and that it clearly shows that the president is considering adding more people, especially with the news yesterday that he has hired joe digenova, that lawyer, who has said he believes the president is a target of an fbi conspiracy. >> was a brazen plot to illegally exonerate hillary clinton and if she didn't win the election, to then frame donald trump with a falsely created crime. >> now, joe digenova is a former federal prosecutor, who has been described to me as tough, described as a pit bull, and it clearly shows here that the president wants to take a more aggressive approach to the special counsel's investigation, especially as he sees it is not coming to an end anytime soon as his current legal team promised him time and time again. >> kaitlan collins at the white house, thank you so much. coming up, pressure mounting for facebook to do more to protect its users after a massive data scandal rocks the company. lawmakers and company insiders are nouw calling out mark zuckerberg. we'll have that next. o severe ulcerative colitis or crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your 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data exposed without their permission. >> his behavior lately has finally been getting into the foothills of creepy. my worry is toward cambridge analytica. i want to know how any of us lived in this universe. i don't know what zuckerberg paid his lawyers, but they did a damn good job because they didn't say anything. >> chuck grassley says he's taking the request for a hearing under advisement. frustration for zuckerberg is growing inside the company. lori segal has this exclusive story for us. lori, tell us what they're saying. >> reporter: we're all asking where in the world is mark zuckerberg in this moment of crisis, but talking to top executives, they're asking the same question. i talked to one executive is there is a consensus that mark zuckerberg really isn't getting his hands dirty, they aren't open enough quick enough when it comes to these types of issues. that's something i'm hearing all over the country. it's interesting, last year we saw mark zuckerberg go on a whole tour of the united states and really try to get out of his filter bubble and get to know people. that was his goal. there was a consensus inside facebook he had his own filter bubble, his own team. then they got the sense he was looking out for his own brand. a company may go through a crisis and you don't necessarily see the ceo in front of it. the thing is facebook is mark zuckerberg. mark zuckerberg is facebook, the brand. there is that growing frustration inside. one thing i'll say as the conversations are happening behind closed doors, these are economic debates that will impact 2 billion people about user data, about the spread of fake news, about the weaponization of the platform and they don't have easy answers. what one executive said to me was there are trade-offs with the conversations we're having and there should be a public to them. this shouldn't be a facebook live after the fact. i think we're reaching peak frustration where we wonder what's happening to our data? do we have privacy? what is this company doing and do they have control over us? it doesn't even really seem like they have control over their own narrative right now, brianna. >> they do not. lori segal, thank you so much for that. we'll have breaking details about a professor at the center of this controversy. we'll have that next. flonase sensimist. ♪ come to my window ♪ ohh ♪ crawl inside ♪ wait by the light of the moon ♪ ♪ come to my window ♪ i'll be home soon ♪ ♪ i'll be home, i'll be home ♪ ♪ i'm coming home ♪ ♪ come to my window ♪ ohh applebee's to go. order online and get $10 off $30. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. and get $10 off $30. if your adventure keeps turning into unexpected bathroom trips you may have overactive bladder, or oab. ohhhh... enough already! we need to see a doctor. ask your doctor about myrbetriq® (mirabegron). it treats oab symptoms of urgency, frequency, and leakage. it's the first and only oab treatment in its class. myrbetriq may cause serious 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lecture and this was just a few years ago. >> yeah. you're exactly right, brianna. this is kogan saying something like data harvesting isn't as reliable as people think, saying you can't possibly figure out what trends are using data harvesting. our research and investigation team dug into things he said about russia in the past, and that seemed to paint a very, very different picture. he was at st. petersburg state university which is the biggest and most prestigious here in this country for three lectures and part of a data harvesting project there. in that project he gave some lectures where he said very different things. this is something that seems remarkable. i want to read a quick quote. he said, the level of what can be predicted about you based on what you like on facebook is higher than what your wife would say about you, what your parents and friends could say about you, even if we took your ten best friends and they all gave a description of who you are as a person, and we defined them all together, this method still is better. he went on to say, your facebook knows more about you than any other person in your life. so clearly, talking all that research up back then, also saying it was a quick and cheap way of gathering a lot of data, we've we've learned is he apparently not only gathered data on your likes and things like that, but also personal messages in some cases. it certainly seems as though he was trumping the research up, that he was doing the method up, that he's doing a lot more than he's saying now. he wrote an e-mail to colleagues recently saying all the research was not as good as people would have said, brianna. >> that is quite different from what you said where he's touting the predictive abilities of data information. fred pleitgen, thank you so much for that. and thank you so much for joining me. "inside politics" with john king starts right now. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. a lot of moving parts in the hour ahead. the president about to welcome the prime minister. before politics, though, we want to update you on two breaking news stories we're following today. the school shooting in maryland and another package explosion near austin, texas. the latest blast happened at a fedex facility outside san antonio. police just gave an update on the situation there. let's go live to ed lavandera. he's live. what are police saying, ed? what do we know? >> reporter: hi, john. investigators across central texas, a flurry of activity they're dealing with here this morning. we tried to break it down as clearly as possible. we are at a

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