Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20170427

Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20170427

Pills, riders that are still in legislation, including those that undermine a womans right to comprehensive health care, undermine dodd franks protections for american consumers, including the Consumer Financial protection bureau, and overhauling the fiduciary role which undermines the commitment we have to investors, especially seniors, so that person advising them is operating in their interests. So, these are all rules that, again, are not in the interest of protecting consumer and individual rights that we are fighting. As you all know, saturdays the big day, the 100th day of the Trump Administration, 100 days of broken promises all right, were listening in to the top democrat in the house, nancy pelosi, in her weekly press conference. Were going to have to monitor it for news and bring you news as it comes. But also right now, we are following breaking news. A brandnew investigation has been launched into President Trumps former National Security adviser, Michael Flynn, and his ties to russia. Newly declassified documents show flynn was warned about accepting foreign payments as he entered retirement from the military. The revelations come from the top democrat on the House Oversight committee, Elijah Cummings. He spoke just moments ago. Listen to this. I honestly do not understand why the white house is covering up for Michael Flynn. I dont get it. After the president fired him for lying. They should be bending over backwards to help us. It does not make any sense, and it makes the American People think the white house has something to hide. I want to bring in right now cnns chief National Security correspondent, jim sciutto, for more on this. How big of a deal is this . Lay it out. I think two big headlines. One that the pentagon is investigating this. In fact, they have been investigating this for some weeks now. Two, that he was warned, that Michael Flynn when he left the military, he was warned that when you, if you were to travel abroad and take money from a Foreign Government or entity, you have to report it. And Elijah Cummings there saying that theres no proof that he did that. This belies the statement of flynns lawyer, who said that they discussed this, they got permission from the Defense Intelligence agency when they left, from the military when they left. It doesnt appear that there is proof of that. So, thats a major issue, and it also fits in a constantly changing story from flynn on a number of levels, going back a number of months. Initially, he said there was no payment. Then he said the payment didnt come from russia, it came from my speaking agency, which is really just a middleman in all this, but there are documents. Weve seen these documents that show that russia routed that payment right to him through the speaking agency. And then he had said, listen, i got permission to do this, i let them know. Now elijah customings saying thats not true, either. So, a changing story and each of his defenses have been undermined by the facts. Yeah. Do you get a sense right now from your sources of what this means for the broader russia investigation, how it fits in . Well, listen, you have so many strands that are in that broader investigation thats exactly right. One of which is, you know, was there collusion . Was there cooperation between russian officials and members of the Trump Campaign during the campaign, specifically with releasing documents, et cetera, stolen emails from clinton, et cetera. Thats one line. So, this is separate from that, but it does speak to a larger issue here, which is connections between people close to trump and russia. In this case, not only a professional connection meetings, that famous photo of flynn next to the russian president but also taking money from a Foreign Government, and not just any Foreign Government, but a Foreign Government that you cannot describe as anything but an adversary, and this was happening, you might add, while russia is actively interfering in the u. S. Election, the intelligence committee, has determined to benefit donald trump. Now, a lot of pieces there. Theyre connected somewhat, but there are separate lines. You have the senate, the house, you have now the Defense Department looking at flynn. You have a number of entities looking at this, and we dont know where yet all of those strands are going to lead. Hence why those investigations are under way and needed. Jim, great to see you. Jim, thanks so much. Thank you. I want to bring in democratic congressman jim heinz of connecticut, member of the house intelligence committee, the committee taking the lead on the russia investigation weve been talking about. Congressman, thanks for coming in. Hi, kate. So, Michael Flynn warned about taking foreign payments. With what weve just learned from jim sciutto, from Elijah Cummings, in your mind, does that prove that he broke the law . Well, its not yet clear. And look, we need to be deliberate in how we talk about these investigations. You know, its not clear that somebodys broken the law until theyve been convicted by a jury. Thats the way our system works. But one of the reasons why we have this investigation, both in the house and the senate, is because this is just another set of questions about behavior that sure looks awfully inappropriate, that you know, absent a trial or the conclusion of an investigation looks really bad, and of course, looks like there were attempts made to cover it up. And of course, if there were attempts, and we know why the white house said they fired Michael Flynn, if there is a pattern of being dishonest, if youre an investigator, as i am, the question is, why . What is being covered up . And of course, again, i dont want to go as far definitive tleey say laws were broken. Thats not what we do around here, but it does indicate why these investigations are important. When you talk about coverup, Elijah Cummings said clearly today that in his words, he doesnt understand why the white house is covering for flynn after they fired him. Do you see evidence that the white house is covering for Michael Flynn . Well, remember, im not on that committee, so i wasnt party to the request for documents that the oversight but i know youve probably seen more than that committees seen. Yeah, but not necessarily related to Michael Flynns conversations with dia or his sf86 form. This is, of course, something that will be part of our investigation, but i do want to make clear look, weve all seen the letter where the white house says were not giving you documents that you requested with respect to Michael Flynn. That strikes me as the wrong approach, especially since this guy is in the past, no longer associated with the white house. It seems to me the way to put this story behind you as rapidly as you can would be to say, heres everything, have a look, and theres nothing there, assuming that there is nothing there. Well, and thats the thing, congressman, the white house what it seemed we heard from the white house yesterday is these are not documents that they would have. This is not any information that they would have. Jason chaffetz even seemed to leave it open that they might not be this might not be on the white house. They might not be stonewalling. They might not have any documents to share. Do you leave open that possibility . Well, that is a possibility, of course, but we should if thats the definitive answer, we should hear that. Okay. Of course, the question about how he filled out his sf86 form, if he intentionally, on purpose, decided to leave off the information that he left off, that is, in fact, a crime. And so, if there are emails that indicate, should i do this, should i not, that is relevant to the question of whether this was just an inadvertent omission or whether this was deliberate. Well, and kind of to that point, its another like this was a secret meeting. He didnt hide this visit. There are pictures of him sitting next to Vladimir Putin that weve seen many a time. Is this on the white house or just on Michael Flynn . Well, you know, look, i think its incumbent on the white house, considering that this continues to be a very significant question in the eyes of the American Public to come clean and say heres what we have, this is all we have, this is the deal. Of course, other organizations like my own, perhaps Law Enforcement will conduct their investigations with an eye to finding out whether laws were broken, but really, it would be very much in the white houses selfinterests at this point to say heres all we have, were cooperating, were on your team, not that were going to sort of try to, you know, either defend Michael Flynn or hide documents. That, of course, just creates the perception that there is something to hide. But also on the point and there are so many elements to this, threads to this, that for the folks watching at home, it is often hard to keep track of. With this security clearance application, this form that were talking about here, does what were learning today, does this offer any more clarity, in your view, about connections between the Trump Administration and the Trump Campaign, trump associates, and russia with regard to any possible collusion over the election . Yeah, thats a good question, and remember, were now back on track with the investigation in the house with the assumption of the leadership role by mike conway of texas. Were back on track. Were planning hearings and meetings. So, we had that threeweek period where everything kind of ground to a halt because of all of the strangeness associated with the chairmans activities. So, its a little early now to say that this is definitive one way or another. What it does is, is it joins the material that simply raises very pointed questions. Were not at a point where we can say we have the answer to the questions. We are back on track, but boy, it does raise some questions. So, carter page. Thats another person whos name is out there, congressman. I want you to listen what he said this morning on new day about what the Trump Campaign knew about his trips to russia. Did you coordinate or communicate the details of your trip or that you were going with any member of the Trump Campaign or administration . I never again, none of those details they knew i was going, but nothing was how did they know . It was again, i dont talk about internal discussions. But it matters. It matters, because the suggestion is they knew you were going. If they knew you were going, they must have had an interest in you going. If they had an interest in you going, did they coordinate anything that you said there, which was inherently destructive to american policy . Absolutely not. Nothing i said was destructive to american policy, chris. So, in that conversation, congressman, he says, page says that the campaign knew he was going to russia. Is that news to you . Does it matter . I think it does matter. You know, ive run five campaigns in my political lifetime and if somebody who is working for me came to me and said, hey, im taking this trip to russia for any reason, i wouldnt have to think for much more than about two milliseconds before the answer to them would be, no, youre not. So, again, what we were talking about before, this raises questions. Why did the Trump Campaign think it was okay for carter page to go to russia . At the minimum, that looks terrible, but what else was there . Do you guys have a firm date, before i move on to something else, do you have a firm date set yet for rescheduled testimony from sally yates and James Clapper . So, were working that through. We actually just scheduled a meeting that was postponed several weeks ago, the closed meeting with comey and rogers of the fbi and nsa. As you know, sally yates is scheduled to testify over on the senate side, so were in the process of seeing if we cant either do that jointly or find some way to do that in a way that is efficient for all of us. Okay. Do you think it would be before that senate may 8th hearing . I dont think it would be before that hearing, just logistics make that problematic. Okay. Congressman, i want to talk to you about the possibility of a Government Shutdown. As we woke up this morning, it seemed that that possibility the Government Shutdown was now not going to happen, that there was agreement on how things were going to move forward, at least in the short term while details were being worked out. But i was just handed some information coming from a statement from the number two democrat in the house, steny hoyer. Let me read you what hoyer wrote. If republicans announce their intention to bring, in his words, their harmful Trumpcare Bill to the house floor tomorrow or saturday, i will oppose a oneweek continuing resolution. Hell oppose the funding extension and will advise House Democrats to oppose it as well. Are you on board with that . Well, first and foremost, i think its very improbable that the republicans would do that. The Health Care System is some 17 of our economy, and the idea that theyre going to cook up a bill after the last one failed and bring it to the floor without any hearings, without any debate, without any preparation, without their own people even being able to fully understand what this thing involves i think is very, very improbable. Look, i think were pretty close on a deal to keep the government open. It seems that we have a clean bill without any of the wall or other sort of poisonous riders that were going to make it problematic. So, my hope is that at this point, the republicans do the smart thing, which is, look, lets keep the government open and lets live to fight another day and have that conversation, which by the way, i am so excited to have on what it is that they intend to do to the Health Care System and what that would actually do to the American People. But i think they would be really wise to not let those two issues get blended this week. Well, and also, i mean, you dont agree with steny hoyer, then, right . You dont think democrats should be threatening to hold it up either, right . You know, i havent talked to steny about it and i dont know that theres any probability that the republicans will, so im going to sort of withhold judgment on what happens in the next 24 hours. I just the idea that the republicans remember, whatever you think about the Affordable Care act, the democrats took some nine months or so of debate, of town hall meetings. I had 14 Health Care Town Hall meetings of amendments and hearings. The idea that with 24 hours, a Government Shutdown looming, thats almost absurd on the face of it. Okay. Congressman, thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thanks, kate. Moments from now, House Speaker paul ryan will be talking to reporters. Well see what he has to say about all of these new developments coming out this morning. Plus, critics pouncing already on the president s wish list for tax cuts, saying, his critics saying that it benefits his own bank account and his wealthy friends. What does it mean, though, for the middle class . What we know and what we dont about, as theyve described it, the biggest tax cut in american history. Well discuss. Ways to manage. I thought i had it covered. Then i realized managing was all i was doing. When i finally told my doctor, he said humira was for people like me who have tried other medications,. 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