From tbd, as in to be determined. Trump has always said the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, they need to go, leave the country, perhaps even by force. A Deportation Force. This is what he has said. Were going to have a Deportation Force. Are they going to be ripped out of their homes . How. There theyre going back where they came. Theyre going back to that country. Youre rounding them all up. In a very humane way. Theyre going to be happy because they want to be legalized. They will go out. They will come back. Some will come back. The best through a process. They have to come back legally. But now, now trumps new Campaign Manager says a key part of this plan is to be determined. Want to bring in cnns sunlen serfaty. Whats so striking is trumps newly minted Campaign Manager was asked about something at the very core of one of Donald Trumps primary campaign proposals. This also comes on the heels of a meeting he had saturday with hispanic advisers of his, some of who left the meeting with the impression he may be softening his stance with immigration at large. First what cnns dana bash, when she talked to kellyanne conway, the trump Campaign Manager, about this, she indicated maybe this Deportation Force policy is not a policy thats set in stone. As the weeks unfold, he will lay out the specifics of that plan that he would implement as president of the United States. Will that plan include a Deportation Force, the kind that he just you just heard in that sound bite and that he talked about during the republican primaries . To be determined. And the dustup that has continued after that interview and after trumps weekend really has forced trump to be in the defensive this morning. He came out in an interview and he insisted even with these mixed messages coming from this campaign that his stance on immigration is not changing. So youre not flipflopping . No, im not flipflopping. We want to come up with a really fair but firm answer. That should be very firm. We want to come up with something fair. And trump is set to potentially give some clarification on all of this. Hes set to give a major policy address on immigration this week, john, but of course it should be noted that this is Donald Trumps signature issue, what he really really takes the first part of his campaign on, a hallmark of his campaign. So this potentially could be a big reversal for him. What does fair mean, what does firm mean would have been a good followup question. Sunlen serfaty, thank you. What happened inside this meeting . What did they leave thinking that he felt . Rick figueroa, he was in that meeting, he joins us right now. Thanks very much for being with us. Im not a lawyer but im going to try to go through this to understand what was said and not said and perhaps inferred by those at the meeting. Did donald trump in this meeting say, say, he was open to some kind of legalized status for the 11 million or for some of the 11 million undocumented workers in the United States . Good morning, john, how are you . Id like to tell you it was an honor, first of all, an honor to be asked to go see mr. Trump, especially in his office. Its an honor that i didnt take lightly. I believe the man has a great principle. I believe he loves his country. What i can tell you is we spoke very frankly with mr. Trump. We were very honest. We told him theres a lot of hurt and pain in the Hispanic Community and we need to address it. I will tell you the notes were taken feverishly. Had kelly anne next to me. She was taking notes. With the campaign and how the campaign morphs their policy, if they do at all, thats up to them, but as a leader in the Hispanic Community, i believe and i tell you with my heart that they were listening. They were listening with passion and empathy. I think it was exciting. The leadership around that table was impressive. I just was blown away rick i will tell you that yeah, john. Did he say, did he say can you hear me . Did he say hes open to some kind of legalized status for some of the 11 million undocumented workers in the United States . What he says is hes considering things. What is up to them. I april not in the campaign. I am telling you no, i understand, but its a very big issue. Its a very big issue in this campaign now. What he said in that meeting and what the people who were in it left think. So im trying to establish if he said out loud that hes open to the idea of perhaps allowing some of the 11 million undocumented workers to say. Did he say it . It is a complete especially for me specifically. Being hispanic. Telling you very clearly what my impression was, he was taking notes of our opinions okay, what we wanted to see what we wanted to implemented. I dont know what hes going to do. And he took those notes with intention i think of incorporating them. Maybe he didnt. Im not in the inner workings of the campaign. Thats up to them. I will tell you he was very specific about what he understood us to be concerned with regarding 11 million and what we wanted to do and what were some ideas. But that was it. I cant speak for mr. Trump. His campaign can speak for him. Again, i think kellyanne talked about to be determined is there call. I will tell you it is a big step, especially in the latino community, getting invited to somebodys house, to be asked frankly for your opinion and to have intent to understand that opinion rick i think thats a huge story, yes, sish. The fact of the meeting was very interesting and im glad you got to be a part of that because obviously it was very interesting. Weve established. I dont think you said you heard him say he was open to the idea of legalizing at least some of the 11 million undocumented workers but you left with the impression that he would at least consider it, is that what youre saying . He was considering all our input. I will tell you that was a very strong impression. Im telling you its up to them what they want to do and how they sure. I dont want to stir but i think its important that just to be clear, you do agree that if he is considering some kind of legalized status for some of the 11 million undocumented workers in the United States that would be a change, that would be something new that would be something that perhaps you at this meeting helped convince him of in the last 48 hours. You know, im not in the political spectrum so i cant tell how political campaigns evolve. I know its posh that pivots and changes are always part of the process. I dont know if hes going to. But i know he was listening to us. I will tell you what i know. He was listening to us with a lot of sympathy. I want you to understand in order for authentic dialogue to occur, i think theres got to be respect for whats said in the room. Im not trying to be evasive. Im trying to honor that. It was important though for latino who grew up in government housing, working on a ranch as a day laborer, now im a ranch owner, that i think he heard me. Im a pretty good reader of character. Where it goes, thats up to mr. Trump and his campaign. I think that their considering it. Well see what happens. Im excited about it. Hes got a trip in texas coming up soon. Im excited about having him here in texas. And im excited about having him speak to this issue specifically. I think its going to evolve quickly. So you think they are considering it. Just one last question, would you like to see it be something that donald trump changes on . Would you like to see him be open to the idea of some kind of legalized status of undocumented workers . I think this is a political football to the detriment of the Hispanic Community. I think historically its been a challenge because the political factions have used it to their advantage. I think that good people have suffered and i think that we need to address that. I think we need to i believe in law and order. Thats what i believe. And i think that immigration currently does not have any law and order. Its a chaos system right now. I think that good people, hispanic people and also the American People and anybody has suffered from this, and i think it would be a crying shame to go to this whole presidency, this election, if you will, and not for something to change. Because this was said back in 08 when obama, you know, he told us he was going to do this and nothing happened. And i think that this political footballs getting kind of tiring. So im hoping that change is imminent. Rick figueroa, i know youre not a politician so i appreciate you coming on, trying to get to the bottom of what was said and what people left with from that meeting, so thank you very much. Youre gracious, john, thank you. We have some breaking news when it comes to Hillary Clinton and her use of a private email server. A judge has just given the state department until september 22nd to come up with a plan of how theyre going to release many thousands more documents uncovered by the fbi. These are documents that were not previously handed over by Hillary Clintons attorneys. But i think they were documents that we understood that james comey told us about when he spoke on july 5th. Cnns justice correspondent evan peres join us with the details. Exactly what emails . Youre right, john, these are the emails comey talked about when he did this very Surprising Press Conference on july 5th in which he announced he had recommended no charges against Hillary Clinton for the use of this private email server. A judge today said there were about 15,000 emails that he wants the fbi to go through and decide, im sorry, the state department to go through and decide, again, by september 22nd, how to release them. The key here being that he wants them released as soon as possible, not after october as the state department had initially suggested, and certainly not after the november election, which is what i think the Hillary Clinton campaign had suggested as well. Now, the question here is whether whats contained in these emails and what its of any use to Hillary Clintons opponents, for them to use between now and the election day. Thats the big question i think Judicial Watch which is the group that has been bringing these lawsuits is pursuing. They want this stuff released. Because they believe inside these documents were going to learn some big new secrets that might determine the election. Obviously, again, the judge here saying that about 14, 900 documents, he wants the judge to review them and decide how to release them as soon as possible. What james comey said in a statement. He said of those emails that were not handed over, three, they determined, were classified. So 3 out of the 14plusthousand we believe were classified. What else is on the other 14,000plus well actually since then, john, just real quick, since then last week, comey clarified further because it turns out two of those emails it turned out were improperly marked as classified and so the state department has now clarified. We are waiting to hear about this one additional email. We dont know what that contains. All right, very interesting. Seeing them will renew our knowledge of their existence, not new. That information is interesting based on what people are saying in the last few minute, thank you. Carl higby is a former navy s. E. A. L. , donald trump supporter. Angie rye, former executive director of the congressional black caucus. And our next guest, a republican strategist who worked for former new york city mayor Rudy Giuliani. If we can talk about donald trump and his immigration plan first. I had Rick Figueroa on here trying to explain what was said and not said in that meeting. Maybe a little more clear, not a lot more clear what was said. He thinks, carl that donald trump is considering, thats what he told me right there, is considering some plan that would allow for some legalized status for some of the 11,000 undocumented workers, that would be a change, yes . Donald trump was listening. He made the statement that he was considering. Donald trump listened. He clearly said he didnt make any statements for or against any type of legalized status. So to be determined. Theyre going to wait for him to ponder all the facts, find out what it is. I believe there will be strong deportation. Hes considering it now. If he does decide on some legalized status, you agree, that would be a change . Sure, lets cross that bridge when we come to it. Is that the same thing as amnesty because a lot of people have said that. Well have to find out. Im not going to speculate when we dont even know what hes going to do. That guy who was in the meeting couldnt even give you a clear answer. The idea that were what are we, 78 days until another election day. The idea about something central to his immigration plan, central to his campaign, is to be determined. How much is still to be determined at this point in the campaign . I think what weve seen here, right now hes currently standing on the principles hes run on. The wall, deportation. Hes a law and order candidate. We want people who are going to abide by the law. If youve come here illegally, youre not abiding by the law. Until then, i dont think its worth pondering he did say his Campaign Manager said to be determined so that is otherwise. Its not a reversal but its considering perhaps a reversal. Angela, what do you make of this . One is it sounds like rick was so excited to be in the meeting he perhaps didnt carry the substance of the meeting out of it. I would also just say i think the thing thats particularly frustrating for someone who loves politics, i cant ever get a clear answer whether before this answer or after this meeting, about Donald Trumps policies and proposals. I know rick said stuff. I dont know how you implement stuff, right. So im concerned not only for the people who are 11 million undocument but also the people who donald trump called drug dealers and rapists. Im concerned someone would implement a proper Public Policy for people who hes lacked a whole lot of compassion for. The general idea of this outreach, rick fig ro what said he was honored to be in the meeting. The idea of outreach is important for the Trump Campaign. They have to do it for a whole lot of reasons. You have to build on what happened in 2012. He has to build on that. But the trouble the campaign will face potentially if they do modify it, depending on how much, people are going to be concerned about can you take donald trump at his word. Because a lot of people also are supporting donald trump because theyre concerned about the court justice. And the Supreme Court. So if you cant trust him on where he stood on immigration, should there be a change . How can you trust him on anything else . So that will be a big problem. So i dont expect to see a major change in policy, because it will be too hard to say, you know, does he mean what he says, does he say what he means. But i do expect maybe a little rounding of the edges. I want to come back to that in a second. Part of the target may not be latino voters who may be oh, absolutely. Part of it may be, you know, white suburban women for instance, people who i think you know something about. Absolutely, theres no doubt that the last few speeches that donald trump has given, even part of his visiting louisiana, has been directed to show a leadership and someone who is more responsive, more shows more empathy towards other people. He needs to get back white women. Republicans overall. Lets not forget his popularity with republicans is in the 70s. He cant get elected unless its in the 80s and 90s. Does he risk losing if he decides after consider, even if we concede right now hes just considering, hasnt made a decision, but if he does decide to change his policy and allow for some legalized status, do you think he would lose some donald Trump Supporters . I dont think so. The supporters are going to support trump regardless of this policy. Wed love to see law and order on the immigration side. The fact of the matter is people who vote for donald trump is going to vote for donald trump. I agree hell keep his base supporters yeah, i think hell gain more. People voting for him because they just cant vote for her which theres a lot of it, it does come down to the Supreme Court for a lot of them. If he wont keep his word on policies that can have a longerterm effect lets talk about the emails, carl, for one second here. 14,000 pages of documents, emails, that have now been turned over to the state department. Figure out some kind of way to release them. With dont fully know whats in them. At this point, we think there may be one email that was classified. The idea that Clinton Campaign documents could be made public in the october period has got to be the source of some concern. Well, september, right. So if its september, right before the depart, this could be one of those things that they turn around and use as like an underdog strategy. If she gets hit hard right before that first debate, then shes got to come out fighting. We know Hillary Clinton does her best when she feels like shes the underdog. This is one of those distractions that they just cant afford to have. Im not calling whats in the emails a distraction, im saying this is something that is not what they wanted to see after donald trump of course had his very worst week. This is horrible for Hillary Clinton. The the story on the september 22nd, just announcing what the timetable is. Then youre going to have more of a drip, drip, drip. Like we saw last fall into the winter. Of her emailings. Which led to her 11 untrustworthiness. It will really hurt her, especially as you mentioned with the debates coming. I can barely remember back severa