Anthony what are we drinking . Beer . We drinking harder stuff . Whats going on . Sean i usually go with a budweiser and a jagermeister. Anthony budweiser and a jagermeister . So any notion of going local right out the window. Sean yeah. Bartender two jagers . Anthony uh, yeah, two jagers. Yeah. Cheers. Good to see you again, man. Sean cheers, man. The first ones never good. The first one is never good. But it gets easier after the first one. Anthony so, look, um, this is not my first time to, uh, charleston, as you know. I did do a show here before and im still taking about it. Apparently i really up the first time i came here because i made a number of errors, apparently none more egregious than going out for, like, doing oyster roasts and drinking champagne. Sean id never heard for such a thing. Well, champagne of beers is okay with oysters. Anthony right, see thats what it mustve been a typo. Sean maybe somebody got, yeah, confused somewhere. Anthony yeah. Anyway, i got it wrong. This time im getting it right, which is why ive come to you. Anthony you could be forgiven for underestimating sean brock first time you meet him. I know i did. I saw a scruffy looking dude in a trucker cap, who always seemed to have a bottle of really good bourbon on hand. Sean thats a weller, 1991, 18 years old. This is the end of great whiskey. It didnt come in this bottle. This is my travel bottle because its plastic, you see, so it dont break when you get rowdy. Anthony it took me a little time to discover the ferocious intellect, the inquiring nature, the uniquely focused and purposeful talent of the man. Without a doubt, one of americas most important chefs. A guy whos redefining what not just southern cooking is, was, and can be, but american cooking as a whole. Sean one, two, three anthony were gonna talk a lot about this over the next week, about the notions of universal awesomeness. Is the waffle house universally awesome . Sean we have one choice for latenight eating and its the waffle house. And they create this environment where no matter how blitzed you are, or how normal you are, you are welcomed and treated equally with an experience. Its not just, like, you know, eating a plate of food. Anthony youre talking about it like a magical spiritual place. Sean no, its beyond a magical spiritual place. Anthony it is indeed, marvelous, an ironyfree zone where everything is beautiful and nothing hurts, where everybody, regardless of race, creed, color or degree of inebriation, is welcomed. Its warm, yellow glow a beacon of hope and salvation, inviting the hungry, the lost, the seriously hammered all across the south to come inside. A place of safety and nourishment. It never closes. It is always always faithful, always there for you. Sean when i was a kid i was obsessed with this place, because i wanted to be a chef and this was the only place id ever been to where i actually watched people cook. This was action to me because i would see these people cooking at a pace and cooking for people who were completely out of control, but still providing the hospitality. It was one of the things that really helped me fall in love with cooking. Anthony waffle house. Sean yes. Anthony i cant believe i didnt know about this. I am unbelievably, in spite of my world travels, new to the wonders of the waffle house, and unfamiliar with its ways. The terminology, for instance, is new to me. Now look, im looking at my hash brown and i am already confused and enticed. Sean heres the thing. You cant you cant go all in, because you want everything. Anthony i need to make a choice. Sean so theres balance, and then when you find your balance you memorize it. I go scattered, covered, smothered, chunks. Anthony which means, i gather, scattered on the griddle, heaped with brown onions, cheese and chunks of hickorysmoked ham. Sean thats my style, like ive been doing that since day one, and i didnt even know what that means. Anthony you know what i know. I dont want waffles at the waffle house. Sean bullshit, man, you have to have anthony waffles . Sean okay, you have to pecan waffle. So what ive devised as anthony all right. Sean as a chef, is a tasting menu experience where you can sit down and really experience what this place does, and you start out first thing you have, pecan waffles. Anthony really . Waitress here, gentlemen. Anthony oh. Sean oh, the pecan waffle, you just crush it. You put every anthony you just slather it. Sean i want it to be swimming in syrup and homogenized vegetable oil. Anthony oh, thats thats good. Sean see, you dont come here expecting the french laundry. You come here expecting something amazing. Anthony this is better than the french laundry, man. Sean and then, second course, patty melt split. Anthony oh, patty melt. Sean oh, patty melt. Come on, thats not insanely delicious . Anthony oh, god damn. Sean thats not insanely delicious. Waitress no meal is complete without sunny side up eggs, okay . Anthony oh yeah. Sean and then a green salad with some thousand island dressing would be the amazing. Would you rather have thincut pork chops or tbone . Anthony i would like both. Sean heinz 57s the best, man. One of the more complex sauces in the american repertoire. Anthony what the really . Sean you want to talk shit about it. This is this is sauce work. Trust me, this is gonna change your life. Anthony now thats wrong, man, come on. Sean mm. This is a brilliant human being who had a recipe. It was amazing and he got a bad rap. Anthony youre talking about like ronald mcdonald. He had a good idea. No, youre wrong. Im sorry. Heres where we part ways, my friend. Heres my sauce. After a few bites of waffle, a burger, a hunk of generic tbone and some hash browns, one feels drawn right to the center of what makes our country great. An america yeah moment that drives me to clamber up on the counter and start reciting walt whitman, the starspangled banner, oh say can you see, and you know what, i doubt id be the first. Oh my god. Sean give me a break. Anthony the umami happening here. Sean yes, yeah give me a break. Anthony you know what umami means in japanese, actually . The literally translation of umami . Sean orgasm . Anthony no, umami means in japanese, if you, literally it means, i will your for a bite of that, that burger. [ laughter ] sean you and you, bite the pork chop. I remember setting up shipstation. One or two clicks and everything was up and running. I was printing out labels and saving money. Shipstation saves us so much time. It makes it really easy and seamless. 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Anthony we will crush you like a well, sand gnat. Bill a sand gnat has almost no backbone. Almost not skeletal structure. They fold. Anthony as difficult as it mightve been to forgo the joys of the baconwrapped footlong corn dog known as the pig on a stick, we knew wed be coming here, husk, seans restaurant in downtown charleston, one of two that have helped make the city a fine dining destination. So i wanna know, southern living, its very different up there and down here. Its a big transition. Easy, easy for you or not . Bill its easy. The only driving was the real transition because i drive like a new york person. When you come here driving like new york, you know, it takes you a while to recover. But, you know, im right on the edge here, like telling people that this is a really nice place to come and really i dont want anyone else to come. I like it the way it is. Theres a lot of insects. Its really, really hot in the summer and the traffic is worse than it ever was. Anthony husk directly addresses southern culinary traditions using the best of modern techniques, but always, always respecting the originals and who made them. Its a pressing matter to redefine Southern Food. If i were a southerner, i would, i would make it a personal mission because it was distorted for so long. But as a northerner, why should northerners care . Sean well, i think if you look at the history of food in america theres no denying that Southern Food was the first, you know, true cuisine that had this foundation and thats important to preserve. And, to me, though, it kind of goes back to the idea you should be cooking and preserving and celebrating the food of your grandmother. Bill people take a real pride in their ability to cook my aunts recipe, my grandmothers recipe of this is how we made these, and the standard of food here is so high that when i go around any place i just go, eh. Anthony country ham, bread and butter pickles and, of course, sean being sean, there will be bourbon. Sean i just like to start a meal with pickles and ham. Ill try not to geek out too much, but this is a very special breed of pig that came over here in the 1500s called ossabaw. The spaniards brought it. It has a very particular flavor. This ones aged three years. Anthony its ridiculously good. Thats the best american ham ive ever had far and away. That is unbelievable. Sean these two things together, these are my two favorite things in the whole entire world. Stitzel weller whiskey and old country ham. So this is an old dish, um, that i dug up in one of those old books that i that i study. Its an oldfashioned oyster pie. Anthony ooh. Sean so just grab your spoon and just dig all the way down. The oysters are in the bottom. Anthony how old is this recipe . Sean it was welldocumented in the 19th century precivil war. Anthony thats good. Bill this is amazing. Anthony yes. Bill oh god. Sean so shrimp and grits is the dish of charleston. I mean, it really is. Its the dish i crave when i leave charleston and come back. This version is one of the older ones where we actually make hominy first by nixtamalizing the corn, so youll taste a little the grits are a little bit different. Anthony oh, yes. Oh, thats really greatlooking. Sean and we make a brown gravy, which is the most classic way, and on top crispy pig ears. Anthony you get grannies coming and saying, i havent tasted this since i was a little kid. Sean yeah, exactly, man. Anthony wow, thats good. Sean mm. Sean we were trying to replicate the emotion of southern, that Southern Food provides you in a time where good ingredients werent available, so we made up for tasteless ingredients by frying them or dumping butter on them. Anthony right. Sean now we dont have to. Anthony wow, whats going on here . This is an onslaught of awesomeness here. Bill we didnt order this. Sean so hoppin john, so pit beans that have been cooking over the fire all day. These are the red peas that came from west africa. This is the original carolina gold rice, handharvested. Grilled whiting, which is what nobody eats in charleston in restaurants. Its what everybody eats in homes with some spring vegetables. And then this is suckling pig. Thats the same breed, ossabaw, as we had earlier with the ham, mixed with a mule foot cooked on a spit. Some creamed corn and cornbread. Anthony wow. Bill well, this is going to be my first mule foot. Sean this is like my favorite way to eat, you know . Just family style, just pass stuff around. Anthony oh yeah. The rice is amazing. Bill its amazing, man. Anthony yeah. You see bubba gump, you get angry . Sean i get very angry. Anthony for me, its chilis, because you see chilis along the mexican border. Its like what the . Im sorry, do we have a shortage of mexicans in this country. Is there a shortage of good food . Youre eating at chilis . I really want to pull up the car, get a tire iron and walk in and just straighten some people out. Sean clean house. Road house style. Anthony road house. Vastly underrated film. Bill you guys are both into road house . Anthony such a great film. Swayze. What else do you need to know . You can deconstruct this film forever. The more you watch it, the more mysteries unfold. Bill ive never seen anyone enjoy road house more than i do. Sean what . Bill my friends wife, kelly lynch, plays the doctor that stitches up Patrick Swayze in the movie. Sean oh yeah, yeah. So hot. Bill shes the romantic interest, right . The unobtainable romantic interest. Anthony yes. Bill and i have for the last, i dont know, probably about 25 years called his home in the middle of the night and said, you dont know me, but your wifes getting slammed up against the wall by Patrick Swayze and shes not putting up much of a fight. And then hang up. Anthony it is in many ways a perfect film. 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Well, its always useful when asking those kinds of questions, wherever you are, to ask first, who did the cooking back then in the beginning . Where did they come from . Ashley when you meet people here, you know that youre seeing a direct descendant of a slave that was here after, um, the slaves were freed. Anthony Ashley Greene grew up on mosquito beach on james island in charleston. Her mother owns the property, which has been in her family for generations. Fact of the matter is in the old south back when the dishes, flavors and ingredients of southern cooking, which is to say american cooking as opposed to european, chances are that food was grown, gathered, produced and prepared by african slaves. Chef b. J. Dennis has made it a personal mission to celebrate and protect the culinary traditions his ancestors passed down to him. B. J. so this is, um, some local blue crab, fresh in season. This is a play on some garlic crabs, but this is shrimp butter instead of garlic butter, and then you have that play of, you know, the french influence into the cuisine right here. Anthony the flavors and textures and food ways of west africa are all over southern cooking. And there are few better places to see how short the line between there and here than gullah culture. Anthony im really enjoying this, i got to tell you. Sean this is so delicious. Ashley oh my goodness. Anthony how african is traditional gullah cooking . Ashley well, i think what happens is you change the location of the people, but you do not change who the people were. You did not change the information that they came with, with their traditions. Sean if you look at the history of American Food and youll youll quickly see that this is this is one of the first true cuisines of america. Anthony oh whats that . What is this . It looks good. B. J. were going back to west africa. Ashley all right. Anthony soft shell crabs and conch in a decidedly west african inflected peanut stew with carolina rice, sauteed squash, and zucchini. Anthony oh, thats so good. Sean man, its been a while since ive had conch. Anthony clearly, i mean, correct me if im wrong, sean, theres a different kind of interest in charleston that existed 20 years ago, right . Is something happening here and is it a good what, what, whats changed . B. J. i mean, its good to have people from to have a more Diverse Community in a sense, but then you also lose a little bit. Ashley the danger is theyre coming to charleston because of the beauty, and were having to fight against, you know, bigger entities that seek to get the land so that they can develop it. And so were fighting to keep whats been ours, and so its important for us to preserve this area, preserve this culture for generations to come. According to the u. S. Government, almost 50 of all the children in this country failed to get their recommended daily allowance of the surge in fast food restaurants have discovered that we like our food heavily salted. Just add water and two of your own fresh eggs. Because of industries, innovations and Farm Chemicals and machinery. Taste it anthony how did it happen that we ended up with Southern Food being the most, sort of, cruelly hijacked into this cartoonish, uh, parody of itself . Modern, clean, advanced, complete meat processing. Glenn i think its a combination of two massive cultural influences that came together at the same time. The idea of industrialization came late to the south. When it hit we got pellagra. The first nutrition laws in america were written in South Carolina because everybody moved into mill villages and immediately started eating processed food because they werent growing their food anymore. The second thing that happened is there was a massive amount of expertise that was lost during the civil war. Anthony a lot of the southern revival, the whole turnaround started with this guy, glenn roberts