The trerkt appear Christopher Doyle as the director of photography, we really did something special. Wow i cant wait. Dont miss antingly bourdain parts unknown in hong kong sunday at 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Thanks very much for watching 360. I hope you have a great weekend. Fareed zacrye special, the steve bannon interview, starts right now. See you again on monday. Hello and welcome to this cnn special, the steve bannon interview. Im Fareed Zakaria in rome. Bannon came to worldwide attention in august of 2016 when he was named the ceo of Donald Trumps president ial campaign. After President Trumps victory and inauguration bannon was named chief strategist at the white house, reporting only to the president. But for many he was also the chief ideaologist of a nationalist, protectionist poppist his ambition is nothing less than to remake conservativism in the world and america and thats remaking politics. But everything from a goldman sk executive was set to clashed with white house officials including the president s family. Not even a year into his job, steve bannon was fired. When he was dismissed, bannon didnt disappear. He resumed his post at breitbart, the conservative news outline and continued to give advice to the president. Then in january michael wolfs provocative inside account of the white house fire and fury was published. Bannon was a chief source which painted the president in a less than flattering light. Trump had enough. In a statement he said that when bannon was fired he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. After his president ial dressing down, bannon also resigned from breitbart but has continued to work to spread his brand of populism and in high demand all over europe especially in italy. He invited me to rome to interview him why rome . For a place thats been accused of being chaotic. Italian politics are more chaotic than ever. Whats caused all the trouble is a recent win by italys populist who bannon has been supporting. Well dig into that later in the show with steve bannon. Over the next hour you hear his thoughts on the wave of populism rising around the world on the republican chances in the midterms back home and on his former boss, President Trump. Here is my exclusive interview. Steve bannon pleasure to have you on. Thanks for having me, fareed. You said that you thought that don jr. s meeting with the russians in trump tower was treasonous you said somebody should call the fbi. But i did make a but i want to ask a question about the issue there. Yeah. The substance, not the. Yeah. In a sense Rod Rosenstein called the fbi in the sense he called somebody so investigate named bob mueller. Isnt that good. Ive been a big proposant of mueller. I was the guy that said dont fire comey. This is petering out. Its the c block on anderson cooper. Nobody is interested anymore. It will be done in 90 days and done with that. I have to protest that lots something its in the a block. If you get a special. Ive been a proposant of mueller ive been a witness of fact. Ive always said he is a combat marine great individual. That will play out as it plays out where you have a problem and i said the guy that said publicly ty cob should be fired. He gave the president i thought terrible advice. I think lied to the president consistently about the nature of this investigation and the timing of it. And giving overall dockage. Unlike all the president s that sat with every other president we went and give a million pages of documents and allowed the white house counsel, the chief strategist to be to expedite this which i thought was not wise. Okay. Okay but here i said cob should be fired and i also said i was a guy supporting rosenstein i was there when sessions brought him up as the guy for it that he should be terminated. And here is why. Not mueller but rosenstein. And here is what i think you really the focus ought to be is that the president of the ups is the chief Law Enforcement officer of the country. He ought to order rosenstein to do what deafen nunes did and release every document associated with stephen hal person and all the People Associated about whatever happened in cambridge. We ought not to cnn not to the New York Times not to Washington Post or the white house, to give it to the chairman of the house intelligence committee. We have to find out all the paperwork who got paid, what happened when a spy and a recruiter of spies which appears from public things if rosenstein doesnt do it he shall be terminated let me ask you about rosensteins boss. Yes. You were instrumental in getting trump sessions to endorse trump. Yes very close. Donald trump says he wishes he picked another attorney general is he right. I think the president is wrong. I think he has been wrong from the beginning about if i can respectfully disagree with the president of the United States, i think that i think the whole concept of recusal is not even an issue. I think that Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christie or Jeff Sessions anybody associated with the campaign would have had to recuse themselves before grassleys Committee Even voted him out to go to the floor for a vote. So i think the recusal is an issue yes its an issue dealt with and had to be dealt with. Whether you picked roddy or christie. This thing about sessions was not the first pick. Rudy was always the first pick. Jeff sessions and rudy wanted the secretary of state. Even rudy knew there was this issue of recusal. I think the president is wrong. If you look at what Jeff Sessions has done on immigration, migration and all the key issues of the justice department. Sessions is personally doing an excellent job. I think sessions has done a job of did he involving this down to rosenstein. I think the question is rosenstein particularly with the Southern District of manhattan involved in the cohen thing. The Southern District of manhattan is involved in the trump organization. Now he refuses to give some sort of briefing to the gang of eight. They refused to give the documents to nunes, i think now that rosenstein ought to be he should be give and direct order simple. You turn every document associated with this spy over in cambridge and whatever Foreign Institution was involved, whether mi five or mi 6 or anybody else. You give whatever the fbi did, whatever the cia did. You see clapper and these guys and brennan theyre bitter old men. You turn over every document. And if he doesnt turn it over you give him 24 hours. And if he doesnt fire him. Thats giving a Law Enforcement officer a direct order to turn over documents to capitol hill. And if he doesnt do it i would fire him. Next on this cnn special, steve bannon has complained about the preponderens of immigrants from certain parts of asia in powerful positions in america. So basically you are saying there are too many people like me in america isnt that racist . Then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. Bravo, tall meeting man. Start winning today. Book now at lq. Com but as it grew bigger and bigger,ness. It took a whole lot more. Thats why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. With it, i earn unlimited 2 cash back on everything i buy. Everything. And that 2 cash back adds up to thousands of dollars each year. So i can keep growing my business in big leaps whats in your wallet . 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The first bucket was make massive illegally grimes and the illegally immigration the central about jobs. Massive immigration is the chamber of commerce and a lot of the Republican Republican Party that want to flood the zone because its unfair competition for black and hispanic working class. In other words you got so much labor right that you have basically an agriculture. You have the unlimited pool of labor to draw from. Legal immigration at the top of the aim thing. You cant take the hispanic system from the s. T. E. M. System in grammar to the best engineering schools to Computer Science in the great jobs unless you limit the h 1 bv and the unfair competition they have from east asia and south agy its no hit to the people from china or yand theyre fantastic. We have to carve space out by allowing our citizens to get the jobs. Thats why im saying from day one the exactic party and particularly the progressive part of Bernie Sanders in the Labor Movement ive said this from day one we can carve off 23 to a third of Bernie Sanders movement is at the end of the day they dont have the answer for immigration we have to limit massive legal grimes. Immigration youre seeing this in the Trump Administration. What he has done with the Legal Immigration thats why we have the lowest black unkbt and hispanic unkbm. Thats why rages are in agriculture. Is why donald trump has gone very hard line on immigration . Is this the strategy that will limit the damage on the midterm . Here is what i think happened in the first Year Administration we clearly had conflicting voices of the globalist, the gary cohen and mcmasters good guys but they come with the thing on the nationalist. I think as President Trump looks at the midterm and the Republican Party paul ryan quit. The Republican Party has had attitude well fight it district by district. What trump has done i think is moved aside the chief of staff. He is now five or six people directly report to him. He has a new nec, new ncs. Nick mulvaney reports to him coms reports to him. He is executing on his plan on the promises he made up until build the wall which ill get to in a second. This is playing for november 6th of 2018 its a base plus election. Okay if you want to limit by the way its its up or down vote on impeachment. Trump son the ballot in every district. This is not some democratic congressman versus republican congressman. This is donald trump versus nancy pelosi and sometime. And he is nationalizing it using immigration. You are seeing more of this. More of the central beating heart issues. Immigration is definitely one. Thinking about Football Players who happen to be black. No actually the opposite. He is seeing kanye west. Black america is now understanding i got the lowest unemployment in history. My wages are rising. What this guy is saying is making sense. Its not about a minimum wage of 15 bucks. It may cost 20 to flip a hamburger. What we have to limit is limit the unfair competition. The working class blacks and hispanic have been hit more than any other segment of our country. These are some of the best patriots. Theyre in the u. S. Army, the rifle platoons in the marine corps that working class black and hispanic have been eviscerated. From the unlimited competition from foreign labor. That has to stop. Trump, i think this is going to be. Up or down vote on november 6th. This is about impeachment. Tax cuts all the economy will go up. But the republicans have been running adds on tax cuts alone its not resonating. Youre either with nancy pelosi or with donald trump. To a degree remember the democrats have questioned his legislate macy from the beginning, the nullification project. The one things democrats in the Opposition Party media cnn you guys got one thing right. Youre getting a do over. Trumps second president ial race will be on november 6th. He is on the ballot. Up or down vote. Do you back trumps program okay with all the good and bad . Do you back his program or back removing him . Because thats what pelosi and tom styer and these guys what. You say youre not a racist i take you at face value. But i want to ask you about the policies and the intended or unintended consequences they sure as hell trakt a lot of people who are racist. I think the exchange you said with trump on breitbart. Trump said he was in favor of high skilled immigrants. Wait a minute if youre ending up with two thirds of kohl son valley ceos being from south asia, a country is more than an economic community. Yes. Basically youre saying too many people like me in america isnt that racist. No, no. Economic nationalism doesnt care about race, ethnicity, religion, doesnt care about gender, doesnt care about religion, skaufl preference. It cares about if youre a United States citizen. Those people in silicon valley. They are american citizens. We dont hang on we dont know no, no we dont know whats coming through by hb 1 visa or not. We cant get the country sorted out until we have now taken the entire Elementary School and made it science, technology, engineering and math. Steve with all due respect, what that answer implied was that they had come from the wrong culture. If they came from the right culture if i was white and christian you might have a different. Makes no difference no. What you mean. If youre from asia and you hear Second Generation american citizen absolutery no problem. The. Hb 1 visa where you come and take the jobs of american citizens is for the acceptables thap thats not racist. The central beating heart of this is that hispanics and blacks have to get into the high valley tech jobs were not doing that as long as they have unfair competition. By the way, theyre not going to do that by gutting spending youre celebrating the did he constructing of the Administrative State but its the scholarships and programs and prek and nutrition programs that help people rise up. Have we we just pass add 4. 3 tril yan dollar budget they added to the programs. When they added to defense programs they added to all the other programs. We candidate cut one penny from the programs. By the way its 1. 3 tril yan of discretionary spending. We have 1 trillion deficit structurally. But the trillion and a half dollars tax cut. That was supposed to be the concomitantant part was supposed to be significant cuts in the budget. And the Political Class failed to do it. When President Trump woke up to the fact that he had been sold a bill of goods. Remember he says this will never happen again. One of the events to watch in the coming election before november 6th september 30th is the end of the apprehensions year. He has already said im not kicking the can down the road more. Were not having crs thats why you see on capitol hill people are talking about we have to get this done before the august recess. Okay i got to get a few more things. By the way what im saying is that i think the President Trump nationalizing this, the wall is central. The wall is not just totemic. Its central to his program. I believe that what he is going to do is as we come up on september 30th if that appropriations bill does not include include spending to fully build his wall not some 1. 6 billion for prototypes i mean to build the southern wall i believe he will shut down the government. I believe the government will shut down in the run up to the election. Youve been really fies about donald trump in this interview and yet he calls you sloppy steve. He says youve lost your mind. He says you had nothing to do with his election. Whats your response . He is donald trump. I think he is doing a fantastic job. Look every day is different. You just got to hang you got to swing with it. I knew trump for many, many years before i stepped into the campaign. Not really well. Does he call you to tell you steve im kidding. Trust me he does not do that. Every action he is taking, i am really happy with. I think he has the right with larry cudd low the right guy at nec. Free trade are you. Look what he did. The first interview larry cudd low sat down with no no sat down with peter nofr o he went on with the interviews he said we have to be tough on china. China has cheated us. You said it in your column two months ago. Weve got china dead to rights in this thing. They cant happy talk they cant go to davos and give a speech about globalization about how the world isfree trading when he they run as a america tilist society. Why did i come all the way to rome to interview steve bannon . Well italys politics were in absolute chaos this week. And bannon has a lot to say about the subject. Much more on that when we come back. Were coming up on the tenth Year Anniversary of the financial crisis. The fuse lit then that brought the trump revolution is whats happening here in italy. Crohns disease. Youre more than just a bathroom disease. Youre a life of unpredictable symptoms. Crohns, youve tried to own us. But now its our turn to take control with stelara® stelara® works differently for adults with moderately to severely active crohns disease. Studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. Stelara® may lower the ability of your i