Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20161215 : comparem

Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20161215

Against syria, against russia and their allies iran. When one day there is a full accounting of the horrors committed in this the horror aleppo. One day it will come. We all know what is happening. And we all know you were involved. Aleppo will join the ranks of those events in World History that defined modern evil. That stain our conscience decades later. Are you truly incapable of shame . Is there literally nothing that can shame you . Is there no act of barbarism against civilians, no execution of a child that gets under your skin that just creeps you out a little bit . Here words were powerful but came in against the backdrop of the u. N. s top humanitarian official accusing countries including the United States wringing their hands of aleppo. And we begin with the voices of aleppo and cnns frederick. I dont know what to say. Words cant go out now. Just something to stop the expected massacres. The next day. All all the building collapsed. People are killed. And many people now are being killed and just kept in the streets in their buildings. Nobody can help them. Countless stories from within the rebelheld territory in aleppo syria. It is by all accounts an unmitigated humanitarian disaster. You may be thinking this is an old video but it is not. It is a new one and it is taking place right now on the day when there was supposed to be an agreement. Were here on the genocide of the city of aleppo. This may be my last video. More on 60,000 civilian whose rebelled gns the deck at a timer alassad are dying under bombing. With the help of her mother has been tweeting. Her most recent message a cry for help. Her mother following up with a message of her own. Today from a rooftop, sounds of conflict could still be heard. [speaking foreign language]. At least we know that we were free people. We wanted the freedom. We didnt want anything else. But freedom. And joining us now from beirut lebanon. The cease fire seems to be back on. What happens next and can it succeed . . That is the big question. About three hours from now buss are supposed to pull out to rebel enclave that still exists in aleppo and they are supposed to bring the first people out of there and bring them to safety to other rebelheld areas in syria. The first people to be evacuated are the most vulnerable. The sick. The ones who the question is who that going to happen is or is it going to fall apart . Its already fallen apart once before and you are dealing with a fragile situation where there are a lot of people on both sides who are very trigger happen happy. And specially on the rebel side there are a lot of people very scared to board buss and put their faith in those government soldiers and go through that territory to get to safety. But the next hours are absolutely decisive. There have already been reports of others coming into and executing civilians, correct is this. Reporter there have been. And the u. N. Says they have reports of about 82 civilians who have allegedly been executed. They say they got those reports from people who have given them information in the past that was true. They havent been able to independently verify that. There is a gave concern that as they move through that atrocities could be committed and that is why the u. N. And the ux s say it is on the Syrian Government but i specially also on the russians to make sure no other atrocities are committed as the Syrian Government will most probably take over all of aleppo very soon. This will soon will the trump administrations crisis. Here to talk about it our panel. David, obviously it is horror what is happening in syria right now in aleppo. For the donald trump administration, do we know how a President Trump is going to handle this . We really dont. Its been really vague and astonishing when you look at the piece there and the cry for help that this wasnt more central in a u. S. President ial campaign. But it wasnt. And his policy has been pretty vague. What we do know is this. He throughout the whole Campaign Said assad is someone elses problem. He wanted to focus on isis. Believed in creating safe zones but wanted other people to pay for them. And that one moment in the debate where he disagreed with pence, his own Vice President ial nominee had said with russian provocation we may have to use force and donald trump shut that down. He really sees this as other peoples problem. Not his. And we dont at all have a Clear Strategy going forward. And on Russian State Television today, said especially seems to think that donald trump is a more naturally ally to the syrian regime. If you look at the picks and the rhetoric over the campaign and try to form some idea of where he might head i think there is evidence that hes a guy who wants to be more friendly about russia. A more sanguine view. But also picked all these hard liners on iran. The trick for him and syria is they are working together. Can we drive that wedge by working with the russia closer. I have no idea if that is the strategy forhes thinking that farther. Victory for assad in is victory for iran so its contradictly. I do know he has a affection for strong men. He talked in the middle east and muber. Andal the sense that if you ever throw assad you dont know whats going to happen and terrorists can take over. But all thortons are not created equal. Mubarak is very different than assad. And his father slaughtered people before him. It is a very different situation. Yes. The other people thinking he could make potentially rethink the russia stuff is if if you look at condaleezza rise as one of the people and other mainstream think who are made the recommendation for the nomination. Who really are not on board with russia. Saying look, russia is really not trying to fight isis. They are trying to protect their interests in syria. One thing donald trump said is our current strategy of regime change is a proven failure. One thing when you are running for president. One thing when you are actually the president and the pictures are on the even news and people are talking about it and you hear the cries for help. And time and time again. And this becomes a cycle. What happens is we see the images. Horrific images. And now with technology. Images immediately in our homes. More than ever before. And then the American Public, i think rightly out of moral indignation begins to clamber for us to be involved. And then we get involved. And then it goes bad. And then people, the same people, the same public that was clambering for involvement then say why are we measuring around over there . Thats not our business. The somalia, humanitarian intervention, black hawk down. And you could look at george w. Bush as an example of the intervention gone wrong and barack obama and the red line and the failure to intervene. I think donald trump, it is time for a coherent strategy and maybe to talk to the American Public about the new world we live in where the media is really but it is interesting. President trump continues to say america first. Jobs, jobs, jobs. It is very easy to get sucked into foreign issues. I mean, every president often comes in saying look, im not interested you know, im focused on america, infrastructure, nationbuilding at home. But then world events over take president s time and again. This is where it matters. There is clamber. But there is not appetite for actually getting involved. Or for any endurance. Right. When we actually get involved and something is going wrong. The word has been watching for years and there hasnt been a larger Political Landscape i think might be more forgiving for donald trump even though there is this huge moral problem. But many people agree. And he was clear throughout the campaign that this getting drawn into this kind of event it did not interest him at all. I thought he made that sort of a rallying cry. And i think his supporters give him that breathing space on this. The quote i read was not on syria in particular from donald trump. It was on nationbuilding as an idea. I think i said it was about syria. I was talking just in more general. But yet at certain point to policy, i mean this is a policy which has not been made clear by president obama which has really bedevilled him and he didnt interview with fareed saying he had essentially missed a lot of this and it haunts him to this day. Does President Trump have to say we arent getting involved or just get it percolate is this. I think hes going to be surrounded by people who want him to do something. He met with Tulsi Gabbard from hawaii on this as well. And i think, you know, that its possible that he will get pressure from a mike pence or others to do something. Ands the also different when it is on your watch. When it is on your campaign or when you are watching a genocide unfold and not doing anything. And the continuing role Donald Trumps sons are taking in government business even though they are supposed to be the ones running the president elects Business Empire in instead. We got a prime example of that tonight. When will that happen . Well talk about it next . And also the dnc hacking story . All of it. Beat by beat. Ow Hillary Clintons Campaign Manager unknowingly ended up giving russian cyber thieves the key to the kingdom. A fascinating inside look afoot and lighthearted i take to the open road. Healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. vo its the holidays at verizon, and the best deals are on the best network. 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And cnns sara murray joins us with the latest. A major meeting with tech executives. Jim cook from apple. And amazon and google and elsewhere. And explain whats going on . There was an important meeting for donald trump to send the signal that he was willing to take the opinions of people hes criticized in the past and who have been critical of him. No secret Donald Trumps relationship with Silicon Valley i was stellar. But im told it was a positive meeting. A opportunity for the tech executives to make a case for priorities they are interested in. For highskilled visas and more spending on a digital infrastructure. And donald trump made it clear and we saw this, that he wants to try to help them when he is president. So well see if this sort of love fest continues beyond the confines. But it is interesting as you point out that, it wasnt just donald trump but his senior advisors and his tech executives in the meeting. It was his grown children all present for what could be a very important meeting for trump. You know, the two grown men. Donald trumps son, eric and don jr. They are supposed to be actually running his company when hes president. But right now it would seem they are deeply involved in the transition. And there is new information also tonight about what role ivanka trump is going to have in her fathers administration. Right. There are lots of questions about whether there will ever be a clear bright line between how the kids interact with the business and how they interact with the trump white house. For instance, while were expecting eric and donald jr. To take over the day to day operations, not only were they in this meeting but don jr. Helped interview candidates for interior secretary. And other examples. And it does look like perhaps ivanka trump will have the clearest divide. She is likely to move over to washington and have a more formalized role within the white house. Were being told with what used to be the first ladys office will become the first fam office. This will be an opportunity for ivanka trump to have an opportunity in the east wing and act as hostess and also advise her father on policies we may think she could bring a more liberal view to. So all of this up in the air until we see donald trump announce how he plans to divvy up his business. That was supposed to happen tomorrow but now were waiting until january. And there are plenty of ethics experts and lawyers who are waiting to see that. Sara murray, thanks very much. Digging deeper into the question how the Incoming Group plans. Reporter congressman ryan zinke hit it off with don trump jr. Both are avid hunters. And trumps oldest son sat in on meets and called perspective nominees. So much criticalition say for that clean break between the administration can and the children. Back in july don jr. Even joked he might be the head of interior. I dont know if i might be the head of but rest assured. Reporter zinke notes he may have worked in favor with him. Don jr. Is a member of the missoula, montana based boone and crockett club. A hunting and Wildlife Conservation organization. The clubs mission, promote the conservation of big game and its habitat. Don jr. s love of hunting also helped build relationships with the other western lawmakers. Hes joined them on hunting trips and has conveyed to the oldest son that a westerner for interior would be best to protect the land and their way of life. Don jr. Calls himself a big conservationist saying hunters give back paying fees that go towards conservation efforts. We try to pay steward to that. That its there more our kids and your kids and beyond. Reporter but his love of big game hunting has also stirred controversy. Those photos in 2013 showed them proudly posing in a 2012 zimbabwe hunt. A leopard and a water buffalo. In another photo, the tail of an elephant. In this photo a massive crocodile hangs from a tree. But he responds on twitter saying villages were grateful for the meat. One of these things some people will understand and some people wont. Back on panel now. So a lot of to discuss. First of all, david. Just, have we ever seen the grown children of a president elect sitting in on meetings like this who are also going to be running a corporation, a family business, who are also involved in the picking of cabinet secretary . No. With all of those no. Absolutely not. That is unprecedented. And let me rust jay anderson. I dont bebruj that donald trump wants to incorporate his family. They are his top advisors. Entire brand. The family is the brand. The name is the organization. He groupomed them to run. The fact that there is no difference right now. Then they clearly should not be part of building and forming the government. That to me the clear there is no problem in taking counsel from your family. The problem is they havent set up and set forth what are the guidelines to make sure that the conflicts of interest stay away. Do you agree . I wish they would be clear and faster. But i do think this is a bit of a new creature and were going to see how it plays out here. But, you know, if ivanka is the Government Trump kid and the other two are the business trump kid, i dont have that much problem with that and it is going to a case by case basis. But i think it is best practice to make it clear and how. Im not sure were going to get that. Does it make sense to you kirsten, that there are sitting around with the tech executives today . No. The example i keep using is lets just make this Chelsea Clinton and then going back to running the foundation. The clinton foundation. I think the republicans would see the problem with that. If Chelsea Clinton in a protect. And exactly. Meeting with people with the same kind of meetings and officially going and working on the meetings and then going back and running the foundation and they would be correct in criticizing that. I think that would be highly problematic. I do think the ivanka being the de facto first lady maybe, i i dont have a problem with that. And look, there is nothing wrong with that. If melania doesnt want to be the first lady and ivanka wants to step in. I dont understand the objection to it, honestly. I think what he should do is lick date assets and put it in a blind trust. Quidate assets and a blind trust. This is the most obvious way you take him down. And maybe it is two or three years down the read when hes not as popular but if you wanted impeachment or some sort of you know, the conflict of interest. This is just wait to be a scandal. Jeffrey . I agree it could be a scandal. And the press conference they canceled the other day. They need to be exactly right when they come forward. It is a complex thing to figure out. Very. And in terms of the family. I went back and looked. Every president , not every, but a lot of president s from john adams and all the way up to bill and Hillary Clinton, president ial Family Member, sons, nephews, this has been going on for a very, very long time and i dont think there is anything unusual about it. Any president who has children who has adults who are this accomplished should listen to them. Good for president elect trump. Ive seen them on tv, they are very impressive people. The problem is the business side. And hes exactly right. There is a very clear ethical imperative. He has to sell everything. Liquidate the assets and put them in treasury bills where they can be no separation. It is impossible conflicts. The easiest and most obvious is this hotel. Just fikd up the hotel hear in washington. A 60 year lease with the federal government, which he now runs in a few weeks. T

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