Mike pence and tim kaine have been prepping for tomorrows Vice President ial debate. With the next president ial faceoff, which ill be comoderating, now just six days away. Strong week, big night. Cnns Jason Carroll starts it all off for us. Reporter donald trump trying to turn the tables on the tax issue. My understanding of the tax code gave me a tremendous advantage over those who didnt have a clue about it, including many of my competitors who lost everything they had, never to be heard from again. Never they were never heard from again. Reporter trumps 916 million loss on his 1995 returns detailed in the New York Times, means he could have avoided paying any federal income tax for nearly two decades. Hillary clinton seized on it today campaigning in ohio. While millions of american families, including mine and yours, were working hard, paying our fair share, it seems he was contributing nothing to our nation. Reporter trump and his campaign not disputing the authenticity of the tax returns, instead, the gop nominee says he took advantage of the laws to make his company stronger. As a businessman and real estate developer, i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. And to the benefit of my company, my investors and my employees. I mean, honestly, i have brilliantly i have brilliantly used those laws. I have often said on the campaign trail that i have a fiduciary responsibility to pay no more tax than is legally required. Reporter trump also accusing clinton of getting rich by selling favors and access. While i made my money as a very successful private businessperson, following the law all the way, Hillary Clinton made her money as a corrupt public official breaking the law and putting her Government Office up for sale. Reporter trumps surrogates rushing to his defense over the weekend. The genius of donald trump has been to make sure that he follows the law, which is exactly what hes done. Reporter amid the fallout over his tax returns, trump today is facing new criticism after appearing to suggest that some veterans with ptsd lack strength. When people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over, and youre strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people cant handle it. Reporter the Trump Campaign says the remark was taken out of context and insists trump respects the service and sacrifice of military veterans. Jason carroll joins us now from the trump event. So the new York Attorney general today announced a notice of violation to Donald Trumps charitable foundation. Whats the latest on that . Reporter well, first of all, let me tell you, optics here are important. Donald trump as you can see here has just now taken the podium, anderson. Even before he did that, he was at the top of this arena filled with thousands of people, he was met by thunderous applause like youre hearing now. Hard to believe if youre looking at these people that hes facing any criticism. Theatrics obviously very important to donald trump, but so are the facts. And the fact is that the state attorney general in new york basically ordered a cease and desist for his foundation to basically stop fundraising because they didnt file the proper paperwork charities need to do in the state. Basically Going Forward now the foundation has 15 days to provide that proper paperwork, anderson, or they could be looking at fraud charges and its really ironic because as you know, donald trump was very critical of the clinton foundation. Now his foundation under scrutiny as well. Jason carroll, thanks very much. More on the new polling from cnn orc. Movement from both candidates whether in battleground states or among key groups of voters that neither candidate can take lightly. The bottom line, cnns tom foreman, a busy man tonight. He joins us now. So a lot of new polls out today. Run them down for us. What can you tell us . In one sentence, anderson, it was a great week for Hillary Clinton. Look at this latest cnn orc number. Clinton is now at 47 . Five ticks up from trump here. She was two ticks behind him a month ago. Hes down here at 42 . Johnson and stein, 7 and 2 accordingly if youre still looking for alternatives in this race. What is making a difference here . She is succeeding with certain demographics out there in a big way. For example, look at whats happening with the male vote. Shes at 40 . Hes at 45 . So, yes, hes still ahead with male voters, but he was a lot more ahead a month ago. Shes closing that gap and, of course, with women over here still strong, 53 for her, only 40 for him. Trump is being hurt by this tax issue. Theres just no doubt about it. Almost threequarters of the people we polled said he needs to release his tax returns and more than half of the people we asked said the fact hes not releasing it shows he does have something to hide. And lastly, trump said he was going to make a big surge out there for minority voters. He went to africanamerican churches and into the black community saying he could win them over to his side. Not yet. Look at that. 95 still going for clinton in the africanamerican community. Only 5 for trump, anderson. The votes obviously are going to happen state by state on election day. Is there an indication how this might affect the electoral race . Yeah, the electoral map is what matters. This is our projection map from here at cnn. Theres always a lot more red on it but when you look at the blue states which have big populations and big electoral counts, if Hillary Clinton right now wins all of the blue states and all of those that are lightly tilted blue this way like colorado out here, if she wins all of those states, thats it, shes won the election. Donald trump would have to win all of the red states, all of the states that are a little bit red, all of the yellow states, and hes going to have to tip one of those light blue states into his corner. Its not impossible, but thats the challenge in front of him right now. And hes got some work in front of him. By the way, part of the thing thats making a difference here is the enthusiasm is changing. Hillary clintons Enthusiasm Gap has been really anemic. You saw the cheering a moment ago with donald trump. His supporters really like him. Hers are beginning to get behind her more. Anderson, i do want to say there is one number here that has come up time and time and time again in some form that really ought to worry both parties. Look at this. The unfavorable ratings. After everything weve been through, even though people are choosing candidates, still most people in this country maintain unfavorable opinions of both of these candidates and may have a hard time seeing either one take the oath in january. Tom, thanks very much. As you can see, donald trump Getting Started in loveland, colorado. Going to bring you any news he makes if and when he makes it particularly if he talks about taxes, obviously the big story the last 24, 48 hours. Lets bring in cnn senior political analyst, david gergen. Cnn political analyst, usa today political analyst, kirsten powers, and molly ball, Political Writer for the atlantic. Bad news for donald trump the last couple days obviously. Anything he can do at this point to turn around . Still a couple weeks to go. One of his biggest problems is obviously the tax story. The momentum is already sort of moving against him and i think most americans probably dont begrudge people were using tax loopholes if youre a warren buffett, for example, whos come out and said i pay less than my secretary pays, thats wrong, we need to change the laws. And so trump has started saying that. The problem is he got caught. Versus he came out and he released the information. And so like in the poll showing he did from the beginning always say, i try to pay as little as possible. I dont think people quite understood the extent to how little he was paying. You actually see the dollars yeah, he had said, if he had come out and said i didnt pay any taxes and, you know, and really disclosed everything, i think it would be different than now it sort of feels like people are saying what else is there . Right. Molly, i mean, his argument that, you know, he knows the tax codes, you know, hes been able to take advantage of what were legal loopholes, hes the one to fix it. Do you think people buy that . I think kirstens right, its worse as a post hoc explanation than it would have been if this was the explanation he was giving all along. I thought he gave a pretty good explanation today when he had several days to formulate the talking points. The problem was that he couldnt come up with that explanation on saturday when this was first coming out and his campaign stumbled and flailed around and seemed to admit to several different unfavorable things. But, you know, if he had been saying all along, folks, the real scandal is the tax code, heres what im going to do, this might be more believable. Instead, its obviously an explanation for something he didnt want to come out and for good reason. It offends peoples notion of basic fairness. David, you worked for gerald ford who inherited the presidency from nixon. Nixon released his tax returns while he was under audit. Do you think donald trump, does this now force Donald Trumps hand to try to release something or not . It certainly increases pressure on him. Hell hear about it in the next two debates. The Vice President ial debate and the one youre anchoring next week. Hes going to try to resist it and ride it out. Anderson, what were seeing is i believe all the classic signs of a race thats starting to break and break decisively for one candidate. It does not mean the race is over. Its still fluid. Who knows what wikileaks will theyre threatening to come up with something explosive in the incoming hours. Who knows how these debates will go. But if you look at the overall signs, the polls, the national polls, the state polls, the sense of a lack of coherence among the people who are speaking for trump sort of going off the rails. This genius quote which hillary properly seized on, what kind of genius loses 1 billion and wants to run for the presidency . Look how wonderful i am as a businessperson. So there is a lot here moving in one direction. If hes going to turn it around, he needs to do it very, very quickly. You know, kirsten, you look at this new cnn poll and its, i think its nearly eight in ten Trump Supporters in this new cnn poll say its a civic duty to pay taxes. You would think that doesnt bode well, but that poll was actually taken before the New York Times right. Published this latest story. Yeah. Im not sure, again, im not sure if you ask people if somebody is using loopholes that are legal, are you okay with that . I think a certain a large percentage of people would say thats okay. Its just that trump should have come out in the beginning and like molly was saying and just said, youre not going to believe this. I paid no taxes. This is wrong. You know, im going to change this. Its more when you wont release your taxes and it comes out that i think it becomes problematic for him. So, again, it just really raises the question of what else is in there and to the point of youre such a great businessman, how did you lose all this money . Also, molly, you know, last week was by most accounts not a great week for donald trump. I mean, there was constant attention on the former miss universe, a story which probably would have been a oneday story after what happened in the debate. Donald trump kept reviving, kept talking about it, tweeting about it late in the morning friday morning and now were starting another week with yet another story that is taking donald trump off from what he wants to talk about. Thats right. And theres a groundhog day quality to all of this, right . I was looking back at some of my stories from six months ago. It was the same, like, can you believe what trump did, that he doubled down on it and keeps wading into these controversies . In a sense, you know, that week or twoweeklong period we had where the story was really about Hillary Clinton and where she was falling behind, that was the anomaly. Its trump who has this pattern that weve seen over and over again of not being able to let things go, being knocked off message, and not being able to change the subject and doubling down on whatever it is that hes accused of. Anderson, one other point i think should be made, its not just about how much taxes he paid. Its also his claim that as a businessman during this period when he was losing all this money, he did good things for investors, good things for companies associated with him. The same New York Times report that helped us understand his taxes in the mid 90s also pointed out as investors they saw their stock go from 35 to 17 cents. His contractors in various casinos, you know, got pennies back on the dollars they had been promised. Employees lost their jobs. This was hardly something the only person who gained something out of this bankruptcy and everything was donald trump. A lot more to talk about in our extended coverage tonight including Donald Trumps past criticisms of what other people pay or dont pay in taxes. Hes had a lot to say of that in the past. Later this new allegations about the state of Hillary Clintons marriage and the heartburn its giving some republicans. Jon batiste has mastered new ways to play old classics. With chase atms, he can master new ways to deposit checks too. Easy to use Chase Technology for whatever youre trying to master. Well, i told you to bring a warmer jacket. When . Every day since you could walk now i just say it with my eyes like. Folks, park ranger mark. Sup, bro . Hey, forest cop. Youre taking up a lot of space. Im going to need you to move a vehicle. Todd, load the fourwheeler into the truck. 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Saying, i have brilliantly used those laws meaning the tax code, laws that would have allowed him to reduce or eliminate his federal income tax bill for a generation, 18 years. Whether he did or not, hes not saying. Whether hes pay a political price for any tax choices or reap benefits for speaking out certainly remains to be seen. What does stand out, however, is how vocal and oftentimes critical donald trump has actually been about what other people pay in taxes. More on that from randi kaye. Im under a routine audit. Reporter donald trump likes to talk about taxes. Not so much his own, but others. Heres what he had to say in 2011 when asked about president obamas plan to raise taxes on the wealthy. You know, i dont mind sacrificing for the country to be honest with you, but you do have a problem because half of the people dont pay any tax. Hes talking about people that are not also working, that are not contributing to the society. 50 , it just hit the 50 mark. 50 of the people are paying no tax. Reporter and thats not all. Trump has weighed in on taxes many times on twitter as well. Like in this 2012 tweet where he criticizes the president s tax returns. Barack obama who wants to raise all our taxes only pays 20. 5 on 790,000 salary, do as i say, not as i do. Along the same theme, trump tweeting half of americans dont pay income tax despite crippling debt. Later that same year tweeting facebook billionaire gives up his u. S. Citizenship in order to save taxes. I guess 3. 8 billion isnt enough. And it doesnt stop there. The problem we have right now, we have a society that sits back and says we dont have to do anything, and eventually the 50 cannot carry, and its unfair to them, but cannot carry the other 50 . Reporter and again. Most of these people are paying nothing now. They have nothing. And what are you going to do . So i believe in proper management, proper administration. Id love everybody to pay because psychologically i think thats good. Reporter and again. I know people that are making a tremendous amount of money and paying virtually no tax. I think its unfair. Reporter but while criticizing others for shirking their tax duty, he has boasted about his how works the system, himself. What is your tax rate . Its none of your business. Youll see it when i release, but i fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. Reporter and when accused by Hillary Clinton in last weeks debate of not paying federal income taxes, trump had this to say. And they showed he didnt pay any federal income tax. So that makes me smart. Reporter and now twitter users weighing in with the lasttimetrumppaidtaxes, including i got fined for not rewinding my vcr tapes from blockbuster, we still had dialup internet. Dems were doing this as they likely are again tonight. Man, how i love an october surprise. Perhaps the best saying, those who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones. And with 35 days to go, everyones waiting to see what stones have yet to be tossed. Randi kaye, cnn, new york. Joining us now, cnn political commentators maria cardona, van jones and paul begala. Kayleigh mcenany, jeffrey lord. They are Trump Supporters. So is andre bower. Kayleigh, does donald trump have any right to be criticizing other people, other americans for not paying taxes when this New York Times report has revealed what it revealed . He did everything within the bounds of the law. Thats really important to point out. So have the people hes been criticizing who havent paid taxes. Right. Hes done everything within the bounds of the law. Thats the point today. He took out wrote down 918 million in losses. So did Hillary Clinton. She wrote down 700,000 in losses. What we call net operating loss. She did the same thing that donald trump did and donald trump did everything within the bounds of the law and im pretty sure none of us at this table have gratuitously paid the irs more than we had to. Is it hypocritical for talking about other people not paying taxes legally, when in fact, he was doing the exact same thing . Look, go back 20 years and find things Hillary Clinton has said that have been absolutely hypocritical. Dig through peoples past and find a lot. No. Is it hypocritical . Yeah, he probably shouldnt be saying that and taking advantage of that but we can do the same with Hillary Clinton. Paul, hypocritical . Well, of course, it is. We are all hypocrites at some at least if we have high standards we are because nobody ever reaches those standards. The problem he has politically is not only just the hypocrisy, but its the sense that he has gamed the system to advantage himself. This is, i think theres two things at the core i think of mr. Trumps appeal. First, im a confident businessman. Okay, i think certainly blows a hole below the waterline on that. Lose 900 billion in a boom year while running a casino, hard to argue youre a business genius. The second thing is, he always said im going to stand up for the little guy. He always seemed an unlikely messenger. Good for him. He pulled it off in the primaries. Its reminiscent of another new yorker you may call, leona helmsley. She didnt pay any taxes and said only the Little People pay taxes. Now, unlike trump no reason to believe trump broke the law. He obviously did. You know who indicted her . Rudy giuliani. One of the top Trump Supporters. Does this, jeffrey, does this put kind of a dent in the reputation of donald trump as a brilliant businessman . No, no. Ill tell you, there was a 1995 article in the New York Times that called him the comeback kid. And it was all about a big event in new york thrown by apparently every civic leader that was there including in the business world. Very admiring of his comeback, his financial comeback from this situation. I mean, there was the Police Commissioner but to David Gergens point earlier, shareholders, stock people who bought stock right. That stock was reduced to, according to david gergen, virtually nothing and a lot of vendors didnt get paid on the dollar. Right, but he came back from it. He did, but the question is did the stockholders and vendors . This is capitalism, this is human life here. Everybody, everybody goes up and down and has the rainbow comes and goes. If i may use a phrase. And i honestly dont think i was stopped in the Grocery Store sunday by a woman whod seen this story. She was infuriated. She said my husband and i, middle class people, she said we have to do these kind of things with our investments all the time. She says you have to be smart about this. She says i think what he did was the right thing. Good for him. Well, you know, she might be lonely at church this weekend because i think that this is the big fear. Weve now gotten down to it. I think theres a big fear that somehow we live in a country where theres some people who are so wealthy that no matter what they do, they cant lose. They literally just cant lose. And then the rest of us, no matter what we do, it seems like we just cant win. And i think he now is becoming the poster boy for that. And i think for me, the other part of it beyond the tax stuff, when you pull the story back, it looks like his comeback was stepping on the economic corpses of a lot of people who didnt come back. And who cant come back. And so you got two problems now. One is, the patriotism takes a little bit of a ding. The cares about people like you takes a little bit of a ding. Also the fear that we live in a rigged society, now he is the poster boy of that. I think thats tough for you guys. I would say a couple things. In 95 over a Million People declared a loss as well. And had a writedown. Second thing, the very newspaper that wrote this story, while they had over 30 million in profit last year, they got a tax rebate of 3. 5 million. If thats not hypocrisy, they wrote the story and they got a check back from the taxpayers. Also the newspaper industry in general gets over 1 billion every year in tax breaks. Over 1 billion a year. Donald trump created 22,000plus jobs this year. When you use the multiplier most economists use, thats 65,000 jobs paid over when you look at these numbers, to say hes a bad businessman because he capitalized on a system that was set up by the United States congress, look, im a real estate developer. Some years arent good. Some years you put all your losses in that year and go ahead and write down bad properties. Maria, was he a smart businessman for using the law . You know, personally, anderson, i like businessmen who dont lose 1 billion. I hate to tell you. But i do think that this points to not just the hypocrisy of it all, when he is, you know, dinging everybody else for not paying taxes and then clearly we see that he not only hasnt paid any taxes, declared almost 1 billion loss, and by the way, Hillary Clinton might have, too, but guess what, she pays over 33 in her tax rate. And now we see that for the next 20 years, after that, who knows for how long he is going to pay zero taxes. He has stiffed middle class and working class people. He has stiffed his stockholders. And sure, he came back, but did he do anything, did he make any effort to pay everybody back . Absolutely not. Theres much more ahead. More with our panelists. Up next the subject of infidelity is raised again. This time donald trump is accusing Hillary Clinton of not being loyal to her husband. More on that ahead. The highly advanced audi a4. In the country have in common . Many of them now call Cancer Treatment centers of america home. Expert medicine works here. 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Jeff, given Donald Trumps need to reach out to undecided women voters, is this a line of attack that makes sense . Clearly this seemed to be an ad lib here. Yeah, i think it was an ad lib. I think this will sink i mean, with all the other news thats going on, i think this will sink, you know, immediately. Are you glad it will sink . Do you think its a line yes. Deep six it. What i think is going to be sticking to, i mean, the tax issue i really do think is going to backfire on all the people that think this is a big deal. I mean, Rush Limbaugh was talking it backfires on two fronts. The actual tax issue, itself. Hillary clinton, of course, used the same accounting device given, for a week now, hes been floating, you know, Hillary Clinton marriage stories. This is the first time he actually was sort of suggesting this version of it. Here, to me, the legit issue here with the marriage issue is her treatment of these various women. Juanita broaddrick, kathleen willey. Kathleen willey i heard somewhere today is willing to go out on the campaign trail for him. Shes so angry at the treatment. Let me bring in ana. A, what do you make of donald trump bringing this up . This is the first time hes actually said this publicly and clearly. You know, we got what, 35 days and 3 hours left, but whos counting . What i can tell you based on the last week, donald trump has become unhinged, completely unglued and plans to take us way down the drain into the gutter in the next month and a week. I think it is shameful. I think it is disgusting. And i think his surrogates instead of adding fuel to the fire, finding ways of defending these allegations and these charges and these totally made up things hes coming up with, need to put a stop to it. When you see somebody you love, when you see somebody you care for driving erratically, driving drunk, you take the keys away. You dont let that person continue to drive erratically, drive right into a brick wall. Donald trump is driving smack into a big, beautiful brick wall, and it is driving the entire Republican Party down. People must say it is crazy. I am begging my friends, Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani who i know to stop the insanity, stop finding ways of pitching the stories against alicia machado. Let me just Say Something obvious probably to most americans but apparently not to trump and his supporters. Look, man, if you dodged the draft four times, you really should not wage attacks against political against prisoners of war or against people who served in the war. You shouldnt call them not strong enough. If you had your share of wellpublicized infidelities, you really shouldnt be attacking other people about their marriage challenges. If you look like you havent seen the inside of a gym in at least three years, maybe just maybe you should restrain yourself from calling a beauty queen fat and miss piggy. All right. I mean, i think thats just the obvious. Is you know, we had this discussion i think it was on friday with you, ana, about president ial behavior and tweeting with president ial behavior. Is bringing up, making this allegation completely unfounded without offering any evidence about your opponent, is that president ial . In american history, yes. It was done to andrew jackson, he didnt like it, either, and they called his wife i cant say what say called his wife on air. There is a history of this. Those were 1800s. I thought after our conversation, i thought a lot object this. I do think theres been a change in what is seen as president ial. I think if youre going to pinpoint it somewhere, it began when Richard Nixon appeared on laugh in in 1968 all the way through bill clinton playing on arsenio hall with paul begala sunglasses as i understand the tale. No way in the world dwight d. Eisenhower would have done Something Like that. Today president obama goes on and jives with jimmy fallon. Making allegations, thats in a different category than im just saying the standard now has dropped so dramatically that almost anything goes. Ana i totally disagree. President of the United States, in which anything goes . Absolutely not. Its the highest office in the land. It is sitting in the oval office. It is the responsibility of representing every single american. It is the person whos going to embrace this country and have us move forward not if but when Tragedy Strikes the United States. Its the person whos the commander in chief. Its the person who represents us when making bilateral treaties and sitting across the table from our enemies and allies. Its the person who needs to be taken seriously by the entire world, and if you think a person on a public stage mocking Hillary Clinton when she had pneumonia, if you think a person mocking a reporter with a disability qualifies as president ial behavior and status quo that we should now all accept . 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Donald trump is campaigning in colorado tonight in the wake of the New York Times report that he might have avoided paying income taxes for the last 18 years, completely legally. Heres what he said a short time ago. The unfairness of the tax laws is unbelievable. Its something that ive been talking about for a long time. Youve heard me talking about it. Despite being a very big beneficiary, i must admit. I am. Im a big beneficiary. But youre more important than my being a beneficiary, so were going to straighten it out and make it fair for everybody. So, what did donald Trump Supporters have to say about trumps Tax Strategies . Gary tuchman got answers today at another rally in colorado. Reporter these are the most loyal of Donald Trumps supporters. Raise your hand if you dont pay any federal income tax. Dont pay any, zero. Me. Me. Reporter this woman right here . You dont pay federal income tax . Not anymore. Reporter how many of you do pay federal income tax . All indications are an overwhelming majority of people in this line write checks to uncle sam. What does it mean to them if donald trump doesnt . Do you pay federal income taxes . Yes, i do. Reporter so if donald trump is a genius for not paying federal income taxes, with all due respect, what does that make you . I guess not that smart. Reporter more than 100 people who dont much like trump showed up outside this pueblo, colorado, rally, trying to highlight his tax issues, but there are a lot of Trump Supporters here who pay federal taxes who genuinely like that donald trump may not. I wish i could i had the smarts just to do the same thing. Reporter you dont think youre as smart as he is . Probably not. Not going to lie. Im taxpayer and i need to learn how to be a genius. Reporter what about funding the military, highways, bridges, airports . Things trump often talks about. Things that are paid for with federal income taxes. Do you think he has a moral responsibility to pay federal income tax . Not a legal responsibility but a moral responsibility . Not in this particular situation, no, because he could use that money to put back into communities, use that money to go ahead and refuel the economy. Reporter but if the 1995 tax return excerpts are accurate, it quantifies trump lost a great deal of that money. Nearly 1 billion on that particular return. Does that trouble you about his acumen as a businessperson . I understand. Does to a point. Reporter however, this retired firefighter say its a minor problem and trump is his man. But is it time now for some trump transparency . Would you like to see him release his tax returns . In time, yes. Reporter before the election . Before the election, it doesnt matter to me. Reporter why doesnt it matter . Dont you want to be reassured that hes telling the truth about what his claims are . Because i know hes telling the truth. Reporter in this room, trumps word on his taxes is largely taken as gospel. Hes either paid them or avoided them through legal means and there isnt a person in this room who wouldnt do the same thing if they could. Gary, as we mentioned, trumps not shying away from addressing the tax issue at the rallies. Reporter thats right, anderson. Near the beginning of this rally here, he talked about something that wasnt necessarily surprising but was still notable. He said that i know how to use the tax code. But then he said, however, i am working for you now, i am not working for trump. That brought down the crowd. They loved hearing that inside the hall here. But outside the hall, where the protesters were, they did not believe that for a second. What matters, though, are the people in the middle. The people who are left who arent quite sure if theyre voting for Hillary Clinton or donald trump or an independent candidate. And if they believe statements like that are sincere and honest. Anderson . All right. Gary, appreciate your reporting. More breaking news, another piece of the backdrop in colorado. New Monmouth University poll shows Hillary Clinton with an 11point lead over donald trump with likely colorado voters. Gary johnson, jill stein in the single digits. A lot to discuss. Back with the panel. Jeff, i think gary raised a good point, people who are undecided, who may be on the fence, those people in the room certainly diehard Trump Supporters say, look, i dont really care, i think it shows hes a genius. All the things weve been hearing from the surrogates. In this latest i think 79 of Trump Supporters in one poll say paying taxes is a persons civic duty. This was before even this story broke. So do you think this story has resonance among people who are undecided or on the fence . I really do think that the intended effect of this story for the New York Times, by the way, the New York Times wouldnt publish the Rush Limbaugh pointed this out today wouldnt publish those leaked and hacked emails about climate science. They refused to publish them because it was illegal, yet its okay to release Donald Trumps tax returns which brings up the question of media agenda. I think this is going to backfire here. So many people, i got an email from a private music teacher whom i know talking all about this and she says your losses are proportionate to your income and she says of course hes doing this. Her concluding sentence is, i think hes a pretty smart businessman. I really think this can backfire. Put your money where your mouth is. I advise a i dont have 1 billion. I dont but i have several million. Over 100 million. Were putting money behind an ad which weve already made, since the New York Times ran that. You make a good point, by the way, we shouldnt be lively ignoring that this may well have been a crime. As was the crime when the democrats were hacked. I did not hear you call attention to the media for using im not for hacking. Setting that aside, our pac because you actually believe it does resonate . Yes, we know it works because even Trump Supporters think he should release his taxes. Nobody likes being called stupid. We filmed a woman in marion, ohio, who said when he says that it makes him smart that he doesnt pay, it makes me think that he thinks im stupid. She says i dont want a president who brags about getting out of paying taxes. I want a president whos proud of our country and who lifts me up. This is going to work. I mean, i could be wrong. Im not just spinning here. Whats so interesting, though, you see those Trump Supporters and theres a way that when you have a hero, when you have somebody whos reaching out to you as hes been doing and trying to give you some hope, you project a lot onto him and you forgive a lot. I think some of these trump voters are going to be where jeff is. I think you have a lot of people who are very uncomfortable with this and who are going to say to themselves, you know what, theres just something unseemly, its hard to feel great about the braggadocio stuff when it we got to take a quick break. Want to hear from more of our panelists. When we come back, well talk about how big of a speed bump Donald Trumps taxes may be now that fedex has helped us simplify our ecommerce, we could focus on bigger issues, like our passive aggressive environment. Were not passive aggressive. Hey, hey, hey, there are no bad suggestions here. No matter how lame they are. Well said, ann. 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Dawn helps open. Something even bigger. Go to facebook. Com, dawn saves wildlife. Talking taxes, specifically Donald Trumps, and how the New York Times reports highway may not have paid any federal income taxes for 18 years may affect the race. New polls show that donald trump has lost ground since the debate one week ago. Kayleigh, whether you think its fair or not that the New York Times published this, these documents that were sent to them anonymously, whether you think, you know, its legit that he wasnt paying taxes or wasnt paying taxes or the business loss, does it concern you that this close to the election, valuable days are being eaten up by his surrogates having to respond to questions about his taxes, things which obviously theres probably a lot of other things they prefer to be dealing with. Sure, well, i always think its smarter to switch to the offense and not to explain things, but on a day like today, i think it was important for donald trump to give an explanation, to play defense a little before moving to offense. And i also think its really important we step back and ask why this tax writeoff exists to begin with. Its not as if its this gift given to people who are wealthy. What it does, its supposed to incentivize you to invest and create jobs and add to the economy. And in the event you get losses, its to further to incentivize you to continue investing and putting your money out the there, not to withdraw from the economy entirely. But thats a law thats no longer in effect. It actually allowed somebody to take that may not have been all his money. He may have only put 1 million into whatever the business was. He might have gotten a loan for the vast majority of it. But under the tax law at the time, he could have taken the entire loss, even though he didnt put in all the money. Thats absolutely true. But we dont have details. Thats true, but in jeffs story, calling trump the comeback kid, it notes that trump was 1 billion in the red personally. He was in a perilous place and came back from that. And if the New York Times wants to remedy the agenda jeff spoke about, perhaps they should look at Hillary Clintons taxes. Shes written off 13,000 in computer and computerrelated expenses. There are questions about whether the personal server was included, because if it was, that would be an illegal write off. I encourage them to turn their glare to the other candidate. Where this goes to, and what the political strength is in this argument, is the tax code. So many people out there dont like the irs, they cant stand the irs. First commissioner is on the verge of being impeached. But our guest l earlier were pointing out, wouldnt it have been better for donald trump to have broken this and saying, it was an unfair tax code, i took full advantage of it, but im going to fix it for you. Anderson, that is the conventional political wisdom in this town, without doubt. Ive said for months, you shouldnt release any of it. I think the whole thing is a game and a scam to get people to do this. People who are outsiders, as Rush Limbaugh pointed out, who have never been elected to public office, this is a game to get them. Maria, do you think theres any chance donald trump will release tax returns now, at this point . No, absolutely not. Especially not after this. And the fact hes got to defend something thats indefensible. And i would say a couple of things. The story actually has legs, and what is more damning than the fact that he probably didnt pay any taxes and that today he was talking about how the military is weak and needs to grow, well, guess what, donald . You know what would help grow the military . If you would pay your damned taxes. But more importantly, to his argument that he is a brilliant businessman, because that is what he has put forth, that would make him qualified to be president of the United States and to carry our economy, until we get sick of winning, right . There has been an analysis by Financial Experts a that say his excuse that fiduciary responsibility is what took him to claim that loss is laughable. Because that you use when you are looking for other people, you are looking at other peoples wealth. This was his own wealth. That was not fiduciary responsibility. That was personal greed. And in addition to that, theres a lot of other Financial Experts who say, you know what . If he had put the money 30 years ago into an index fund, he would be twice as wealthy as he is today. Brilliant businessman, i dont think so. Donald trump is wrapping up his comments there in colorado. Andre, why not just release now his tax returns, or release basic information, financial because it will be distorted, just like the last two look, almost every state in the country, for a couple thousand jobs, gives unbelievable tax credits, all kinds of incentives. And to say he doesnt pay taxes is absolutely wrong. He pays property tax, he pays fica, he pays sales tax, he pays hundreds of millions every year in taxes, so he does pay taxes how do we know . Because by law, you have to. Have you seen his tax returns you dont have to file tax returns to show you pay property taxes or they take your property. Hes the only person who has not released his tax returns since nixon. But that means that everyone from washington to lbj didnt didnt release their taxes. And heres a bigger question. How does somebody that only give speeches write off 700,000 in losses. Shes not producing any jobs. Shes not creating any income for other people, except for maybe a few lawyers. 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Donald trump just wrapping up a large rally tonight in swing state, colorado. He spoke for about an hour, touching briefly on that New York Times story and how little he might have paid in taxes over a spam of 18 years. Theres that, as well as breaking news on a batch of new polling and more. Our Jason Carroll is at the rally site in loveland. Just north of denver. So trump addressing a huge crowd there. Really enthusiastic. What did he say specifically about taxes . Reporter once again, donald trump, as he did in his rally a little earlier in pueblo, trying to turn the tables on this whole tax controversy, anderson, basically saying that he used the tax laws that are in place to beat the system. He said, basically, quote, he said, my jobas