Convention and trumps flipflop on whether hed support the eventual nominee. And new numbers on how the polls are shaping up in wisconsin. Cruz is leading trump 42 to 32 . Donald trump has changed his position. Back in september he signed a pledge to support the republican nominee no matter who it was. The best way for the republicans to win is if i win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up and for that reason, i have signed the pledge. So i will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party and the conservative principles for which it stand, and we will go out and we will fight hard, and we will win. Thats was september. The cnn town hall two days ago donald trump told me hes no longer abiding by that pledge. Do you continue to pledge whoever the republican nominee is . No, i dont anymore. You dont . No. Well see who it is. Of course, it should be pointed out doesnt seem like any of the other gop candidates believe theyll be standing by that pledge. The pledge likely came up during trumps meeting with reince priebus. Jim acosta joins me now. What are you learning about the meeting with the rnc. Was this preplanned . What went on . Anderson, the meeting didnt seem to go too badly. The rnc is fundraising off of it with an email to supporters that reads, regarding meeting you can open it up and click on where you want to donate some money. As for that meeting, it covered a range of topics, including the hot topic of delegates and what happens at the convention if donald trump does not reach that magic number of 1,237. A spokesman put out this statement. It says the chairman and mr. Trump talking about reince priebus, the chairman of the rnc, had a productive conversation about the race. The chairman is in Constant Contact with all of the candidates and their campaigns about the primaries, general election and convention. Meeting and phone conversations with candidates and their campaigns are common and will increase as we get closer to november. No word on whether that gop loyalty pledge will make a comeback. One rnc official would only say theyre confident the party will rally around their nominee to beat Hillary Clinton. If you consider what john kasich said today about trump not being prepared to be president , it sounds as though the Ohio Governor may never support trump as the nominee. It has been interestingly quiet from donald trump today when you consider the wisconsin primary with ted cruz pulling ahead of him now is just days away. Thats right. If he wants to be the nominee, winning wisconsin would surely help. Trump is trailing ted cruz here in the latest polils. You just mentioned one that came out. And cruz is looking to exploit trumps big gender gap with women. Heidi cruz and one of cruzs top surrogates, Carly Fiorina, they were campaigning across wisconsin with events geared toward women voters. If trump loses next week, goes on to colorado, a caucus state that does not play to his strengths. If he loses there, hell look weakened heading into the next big prize which is his home state of new york. Hes got a good lead there but that could be his firewall for this Campaign Next month. Jim acosta, thanks. Jouning me john king, political commentator van jones, niamalika henderson, Kayleigh Mcenany who supports donald trump and contributing editor amanda carpenter, former Communications Director for ted cruz and Washington Post opinion columnist and former george w. Bush speechwriter michael gerson. These meetings, it gives the sense that trump is in some sort of damage control mode or just taking the foot off the gas for the day . No question for the first time in this race hes on defense and hes been on defense for a few days. Its very uncharacteristic. We were talking about this just before the show. In the past when donald trump has had a bad debate or headlines have not been trend his way, hes done something to change the conversation. Hes been a master of changing the conversation since he entered the race. Today uncharacteristically quiet. Were not panicking. We understand the polls in wisconsin. Still have a few more days. Were ahead in new york and just trying hes in washington. Were getting our ducks in order. If we lose one, everybody loses one. Well be okay. Thats what they say. Theres a sense among the other campaigns there could be this moment in the race. Id caution how many times have we sat around these tables saying were at the moment in the race when trump collapses. They have a big delegate lead. They say they understand internally their candidate has to get better at some things. All of the campaigns need to study the rules. There really are no rules. Theyll be rewritten on the fly at the convention. Their sense is were not panicking. Were fine. The other campaigns sense a moment. Hes meeting with the National Security team, whether you know thats in response to some of the comments hes made or part of the education process which all candidate goes through. And this is part of donald trump and weve seen flashes of this. Him trying to essentially look like a regular president ial candidate, right . Weve seen him give long interviews to the Washington Post. Gave a 100minute phone spr interview with two reporters at the New York Times. Some of those answers raised questions. Some of the answers in the town halls about Nuclear Capabilities and Nuclear Proliferation raised questions. I do think, though, one of the core arguments of his campaign is that the smartest men and women in the room have gotten everything wrong up until now, right . And so when he sort of meets with advisers, in some ways it undermines that argument in some ways. But it also, i think, gives a nod to the conventional trappings of a president ial campaign, which is to say you have to have these wise men. If i was donald trump, id feel pretty confident in sticking with what got me here in the first place. What got hum here in the first place is donald trump. Everything about him as worked for him, certainly among his supporters. Its turned other people obviously against him. Do you start at a certain point trying to bring in other people, listen to other people . Optically, he does. I do think im not one of the people who has been sitting up here saying donald trump is inches away from selfdestructing. Ive been saying, be very afraid if you dont like this guy. Hes getting bigger, not smaller. But i do think something is different. This is the first time ive seen him dogpiled from both sides. Ive never seen the right wing conservative movement, social conservatives come after him the way they did on this abortion gaffe. At the same time that Hillary Clinton is basically jumping up and down giggling about how badly he handled that. I havent seen that before. I havent seen this guy do so many flipflops he could be an olympic gymnast on everything from nato to nukes to abortion. I think something happened this week that we may look back on and say was very significant. Michael gerson, do you agree . Ive talked to serious republican officials that say two or three weeks ago, he seemed to be on the verge of uniting the party, of solidifying his support. And then hes had just a terrible couple of weeks. And terrible in a certain way. Many of these issues have concerned women and womens issues. And he is well behind in the polling when it comes to this. I think a lot of republicans are realizing this is a seriously flawed candidate with some of the highest, you know, negative ratings of any recent candidate. And they are having buyers remorse. Are you concerned as a trump supporter . Im not concerned. Every time the media piles on donald trump he somehow emerges unskathsed. Some polls came out today, real clear politics, hes still over 50 in new york. Thats huge. That would make that a winner take all state. Just the media, or to michaels point, from conservatives and even on his abortion comments, theres been concern. Sure. That was a stumble yesterday. No doubt. There have been stumbles along the way. Thats because donald trump has given greater access to himself to the media than any other candidate. You saw Hillary Clinton make that comment early, long before the race began, about being dead broke when she got out of the white house and what did she do . She retracted from the national scene. Ted cruz has not made himself as available at donald trump. Donald trump has put himself out there. We need to be careful. It hurts the American People when you dont have candidates out there. Donald trump retracted. The American People benefit from having someone who provides access and isnt afraid to see Chris Matthews who is obviously ideologically opposite of donald trump. Kayleigh makes a good point. You have to give credit to donald trump for going to an interview over at msnbc. Maybe he was overconfident. I dont know what the calculation of it was. He does make himself more available. To the New York Times. I dont think any other candidate has given that lengthy of an interview focused on Foreign Policy. He makes himself very available to the media. What were seeing is the weakness of his overall campaign. Hes gotten far this far ahead because of the strength of his personality. Right now the Campaign Needs to take control and guide him. I think thats was a miscalculation for him to go on Chris Matthews. Someone at that campaign should have been able to tell him, a, this is a bad idea because theres not a lot of gop primary voters watching Chris Matthews and msnbc. If you are, recognize Chris Matthews is a catholic and is likely to raise this issue days ahead of the primary where catholic voters are influential. Someone should have warned trump about that. Because donald trump, his whole candidacy is built on his personality and not a campaign operation, were seeing these missteps on issue after issue. We have to take a quick break. Much more ahead. The surprising ways he says Nuclear Weapons fit in. John kasich says trump is clearly not prepared to be commander in chief. Talking tougher against trump and his opponents. Ill speak with governor kasich this hour. Also ill talk to glenn beck and trumps comments on abortion and the fact hes sticking by his Campaign Manager. More on that ready. 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Would i approve waterboarding . You bet your ass i would. I would take away the oil. Bomb the hell out of those oil fields. I wouldnt send many troops because you wont need them by the time i got finished. Ooud bomb the hell out of the oil fields. Id get to exxon and these Great Oil Companies to go back in. They rebuild them. You go in and say we have to have our hostages back. They say no way. You say, byebye, everybody. Then you go out and double and triple up in the sanctions and youll get a call in 24 hours, youve got your hostages. Nato is obsolete. Whats a sovereign nation . You thinku rack is a sovereign nation . Yeah. Doesnt exist. Its been a policy to prevent japan from getting a nuclear policy. Maybe its going to have to be time to change. If you say to japan, yes its okay, south korea, its okay. And saudi arabia wants them, too. Can i be honest with you . Its going to happen anyway. A fox business poll has trump trailing ted cruz in wisconsin. Back wither panel. You can look at that and add up these connecticunconventional s. It is that unconventional thinking which is part of the appeal. Its the nonwashington speak, the kind of nonnecessarily doctrine approach to Foreign Policy or any policy. A little more elite opinion, but elets opinion is pretty concerned. In the content of these interviews, his main point is that our allies are freeloaders. And need to pay their fair share. You know, the trump doctrine here is really that america should act like a mob boss demanding money from allies. Protection money. Its an absurd centerpiece for a Foreign Policy. And he so he diss our allies and has praised putin in the past which is really our rival. Its a Foreign Policy that doesnt understand who our friends are and who our enemies are. Ides argue the trump doctrine is america first. For the last two decades, this is why his policies sound so outlandish and people laugh at them, by the way. For the last two decades it hasnt been america first. For the last two decades its been other countries first. Were going to go in and topple dictators and be the worlds police. For the first time you have someone saying what happens if seoul, south korea is hit or tokyo is hit . Everyone is looking to the United States to defend those countries. Perhaps its time we look at the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty and say is this something to put on the table to talk about and think about . Does it concern you as a supporter of trump that he seems to look i think it was the times that pointed it out. He seems to look like the lens of the world look at the world through the lens of a businessman and everything is about deals. That, you know, the deal for nato isnt right. Its not structured right. The deal for protecting japan and south korea isnt right and he can make better deals. Do you believe its necessarily true that making a business deal is essentially a deal on International Relation with multiple governments involved . Its certainly a component. If you look at nato and funding, they contribute 73 of the budget. Back in ten years ago, there was a rule put in place that every country in nato needs to contribute 2 . Do you know how many countries of the 30 something countries in nato who have reached that goal . Four. Thats ridiculous that four countries are paying 2 . One of those is the United States. We need a little business negotiations in our Foreign Policy. Do you buy that . Listen. There is some room for reasonableness in some of the points trump raises like saying, nato possibly could be reevaluated. There could be some reallocation of resources. Theres a reasonable discussion to be had. But to say nato is obsolete while nato headquarters, city of brussels, has been bombed by terrorists shows no amount of care, context for what the situation needs. Thats whats worrisome about trump. He goes into these bombastic statements. Has no room for the delicate nature of these events. And its interesting, too, because you are now hearing you mentioned elite opinion. Youbarrons which is very concerned about a trump presidencys effect on the market. If you have a president this erratic, how are the markets going to perform . One of the top ten threats to world peace and stability would be a trump presidency. So you are i am perfectly willing to have our allies do more than they have done. But to create a situation where the allies dont know where they stand creates instability across the world. Just now as a candidate hes causing this stuff. For me hes the ceo. When you are the ceo, your people work for you. When you are the president , you work for the people. Its a very different thing, okay . When you are the president of the United States, you have so many checks and balances that this idea of diplomacy is not politically correct to be able to not offend the people you have to work with here and around the world. Thats called being a political leader. He has not met that test yet. It does it is a role where words matter. Where tone matters. Where markets hang on every word the president says. Where governments around the world, you know, read with a magnifying glass everything that the president says. Sure, and strength. Thats what we need. Words do matter. Theres a reluctance on the part of our president to say isis is a problem that is a radical islam problem. But nothing gives you pause about donald trump and his use of words or speaking without sufficient president ial level of forethought . I think he does speak with forethought. I read that New York Times interview and saw novel proposals i havent seen from anyone. I do think its time to look at the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty and at least consider and talk about if the world has changed. Its toom for that. I saw novel proposals. Its easy to laugh and be simplistic and generalize. Also look at what hes saying and discuss it and say is this rational or not. 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