Im told the investigator will be on site later on tonight. Is there any idea about potential casualties . There are some numbers floating out there but Nothing Official coming from the ntsb at this time. They are still trying to track down information themselves. We know that this twin engine business jet was a tenseater but we do not know how many people were on board. We do know though anderson unfortunately there were no survivors. And was anyone on the ground injured . Well, when you look at that scene you would think someone may have been hurt in some way, shape or form, but we are told so far that on the ground no one was hurt despite the scene that youre looking at there, all of the fatalities from what were hearing are all of the individuals who were on board that aircraft. Rene, well continue to follow it throughout this hour. Thanks very much. Now debate night for republicans in milwaukee, the first of two heading toward the final moments and big differences this time around, two top tier candidates in the last debate, Chris Christie and Mike Huckabee on the undercard. Two others, Lindsey Graham and George Pataki out of the debates entirely. Jeb bush now struggling against the perception that hes a beaten man. Is he in the spotlight tonight so our frontrunners donald trump and ben carson, so it marco rubio. First we want to get highlights from a spirited undercard debate. How do you win a National Election when the democrats are offering free health care, a free or subsidized College Education and youre the party that is seemingly offering nothing in the way of immediate tangible benefits . Yeah, sure. If anybody believes the stuff they heard from the democratic debate a few weeks ago theres nothing for free. Theyre going to raise their tax rates to 70 to 80 in order to provide all of that stuff. Let me ask the folks at home one simple question. Do you want to give washington more control over your life . Do you think theyre doing such a great job that now lets have them control what our corporations pay their employees . Lets have them control every aspect of our economy . Is washington doing that good a job for you right now . And the fact is that if you listen to Hillary Clinton, shes made it very clear. She believes that she can make decisions for you better than you can make them for yourself. Are democrats simply putting forward a Better National economic message than the one republicans are offering and what should republicans do about it . No, i think right now theres not much difference between the two parties. The reason we keep losing nationally, we try to be cheaper versions of the Democratic Party. Just not accurate to say that nobody else up here has ever cut. I believe every governor has probably had to make tough decisions. Wait, i want to respond. He criticized something i said. Mike, with all due respect i admire your social views, i share many of those views. Your record as governor tells a different story. For the people out there right now i want to guarantee you one thing real clearly if you think that Mike Huckabee wont be the kind of president who will cut back president or Chris Christie or john kasich, wait until you see what Hillary Clinton will do to this country and how she will drown us in debt. She is the real adversary tonight and we better stay focused as republicans on her. Dont let them fool us again. Ill give you a ribbon for participation and a jukebox but in the real world its about results. Its about actually cutting government spending, not just talking about cutting government spending. This is a legitimate debate between chris and bobby. Bobby says we need a principaled conservative. Do you remember why were in the poogs were in with china. Because a weak and feckless Foreign Policy engineered by Hillary Clinton and barack obama. Thats why were in the fogs were in. You know who i respect in the Democratic Party . You know why i respect them, because they fight because theyre not willing to back down and theyre willing to stand up and fight and win so i respect them, because they are willing to take it to us. We need a conservative, not a Big Government republican in d. C. Let me just say last word briefly. Let me just say this. I complimented bobby. Imagine how much time hed want if i criticized him. Actual from ana innavarro a b bush supporter and senior political reporter niamalika henderson and political director in the Reagan White House and Gloria Borger. Ana, Chris Christie clearly trying to keep the focus on Hillary Clinton. Bobby jindal came in with a strategy of hitting back at Chris Christie and Mike Huckabees record. I have one thing to say bring back Lindsey Graham. We had an hour between the humorless debate between the four. I miss his passion voice on policy and security and sense of humor and levity and god knows the republicans need a little levity right now. Chris christie i think, ive always thought that hes the best debater of the field. I think tonight he was able to not only talk about his open record, he was able to turn the focus on Hillary Clinton but also he has that great technique of direct to camera, in talking to american, the American People in a very folksy way. I thought he was fantastic tonight. None of this might matter. Maybe he gets back to the main stage, maybe he doesnt. Seems like so far he had good debate tonight. It helped him to be on a stage with three other people. There was more time, more substance and it will be interesting to see if the main debate and well be after the debate from 11 00 to 1 a. M. Discussing the debate, the fact theres only eight of them know gives the same benefit to some on the stage. You hope if youre jeb bush you can get more time, you hope if youre any of the other folks who didnt get enough time or didnt force themselves into the conversation, the slimmed down version of the debate makz a difference. Did you just say only eight of them . Relatively speaking. I thought christie did a great job. His problem is hes at 5 in the poll in New Hampshire. Chris christies polling his farve favorability is continuing to rise, 54 favorable. He looked like a middle child, the peacemaker. Wasnt so long ago we thought that Chris Christie was the bully. Do you remember that in this race . His polls are going way down. He has something to lose by staying in this race and has to ask himself the question is it worth it for me. Because unless Rick Santorum he didnt rise to bobbydal attacks. He was attacking even when Chris Christie said i have nothing bad to say about jindal. Lets talk about Hillary Clinton. Jindal came in with a strategy intent on him. Call me skeptical but im not sure the next president of the United States who is a republican was on that stage tonight. They keep going down, not up and at a certain point here the game is going to be called and theyre going to be done. That said i do think that governor jip dal made a sensitive point for a lot of republicans, it was reflected in the house situation with Speaker Boehner is that hes blaming our problems not just on democrats and president obama and Hillary Clinton, hes blaming republicans. And that is a fierce message out there. His message tonight is not enough to elect a republican. You have to collect a real conservative. It was santorums argument in 2012 and it worked for a while. He was able to win almost a double, worked once. A few times. He won a couple of states. This is a debate that has gone back to ronald reagan, are you a bold conservative or running in pastels. Chris christie is a brilliant tactician, a very good debater and there is nothing worse than trying to start an argument with somebody and have them flick you off, ignore you, and thats what he did to bobby jindal all night, not give him the dignity of waging a fight. I think jindal understood this to be his last stand and so he had to give it everything. Go for it. Little overcaffeinated why do you think he will understand its his last stand . What does he have to lose . It depends on how much money he has and who his sugar daddy is. Do you see all four on the stage staying through to iowa, to New Hampshire . Maybe. But not beyond that. I dont think. I take anas point, the question is what do you have to lose and jindal is not running for reelection. It depends how much in debt he wants to go. Wants to have a place in the party presumably, something identifying with the cause. Trying to use this for the next step, former governor or senator. At some point you ask am i diminishing myself . Rick santorum has got a dream one donor and a sweater vest. With that he can go on for months. He did it in 2012. That was the point james baker to george h. W. Bush in late 1980, he won a couple of primaries but he wasnt going to win and could have kept going and jim baker said to him if you want any chance of being on this ticket, stop now. Stop now. Here is the potent thing christie did a tack Hillary Clinton. Weve seen republicans atacking each other all the time. Tonight christie swatted away jindal, and then turned the focus to Hillary Clinton saying shed be another term of barack obama which is a very popular refrain with republican primary voters so i think he did himself some good. Other than Carly Fiorina. The trend now is downward for a lot of these folks. It is and this is why christies strength tonight may help him, but you know, we just dont know whether its too late. Look, there are months to go. So we dont know. Theres a cnn debate in december, which people will be paying attention to, because its right before iowa New Hampshire. Well see. Two things are happening. One is some of these folks are on a downward trend but also the requirements are on an upward trend. We saw the requirements for this debate were different and higher than the previous three. And maybe theyll start doing it by the states as opposed to national polling. Next step from down is up. Is up, yes. Were going to take a quick break. Lot more to come in the hour throughout the evening. Coming up next, jeb bushs challenge Winning People over. New numbers showing why it is such a challenge for him and what he may try to do tonight to fix that if possible. Plus a key probush super pac threatening to spend tens of millions of dollars to go on marco rubio. Well talk to a Top Republican strategist what he thinks of that idea. 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Marco rubio seen by many as the next socalled establishment alternative. Ted cruz as a potential surprise. Jeb bush struggling to relaunch yet again his campaign and new polling that could shed light on why hes struggling. John king has a look by the numbers and joins us now. Lets look at the National State of play. Theres three, maybe four tiers in the republican race. The National Average in the polling this is all 14 candidates. Its a little confusing if you look at the numbers. The top five, carson and trump at the top of the pack around 23 , 24 . Rubio and cruz, the second tier at 12 , 13 in the average of the national polls. This is jeb bush down here, a little above 6 . One tier, two tier, three tiers and everybody else, thats a look at the national. If you look at iowa, the state that votes first and again lets focus on the top five pretty much the same, trump, carson, rubio, cruz and jeb bush. Iowa votes first in 82 days. Whats interesting going into the debate tonight, the stakes are high, if you look at the next state, New Hampshire, trump is still all alone. Let me put up the top five. Trump is all alone. Carson, rubio, bush down here at the bottom of the pack. Tight National Race trumping carson, tight iowa race trumping carson. New hampshire trump alone. In the dynamic tonight focus on getting carson, trump, abderson, a huge factor in this race. And half or more of the republican electorate says they havent locked in on a choice yet. So all the candidates there is still an opportunity. Theres also some candidates having a harder time getting Republican Voters to listen. This is the Mcclatchy Marist poll that came out here. The red is the more you hear the more you like. 67 of republicans say the more they hear ben carson the more they like it. 58 the more they hear marco rubio the more they like him. Majority more they hear ted cruz the more they like that. Only 44 for donald trump. Jeb bush only 32 of republicans say the more they hear you and the more they like you. Six in ten say the more they hear jeb bush the less they like him. Nearly half say the more they hear trch trmp the less they like him. If youre carson, rubio and cruz you want to keep the trend going. Trump or bush you need to turn it around. Who would you not support . 37 of republicans say they would definitely not support donald trump. 32 definitely not support jeb bush. Talk about room to grow, only say that about marco rubio and ted cruz and only 3 say theyd never support ben carson. These guys have a lot of room to grow and have to turn the general dynamic. 43 of moderates say theyd never support trump. 22 are conservative. Again, 41 of republicans who say theyre very conservative, the kind of voters who show up for republican primaries say theyd never support jeb bush. He has to change that dynamic if theres a comeback. John thank you very much. Back with our panel and stuart stevens, mitt romneys chief strategist joined the last campaign and author of the last season a father and son and lifetime of college football. Stuart, what are you expecting tonight on the main stage . Last night trmp trrp was vocal came to ben carsons personal story, the past week about accuracy. Do you think he was test driving an attack for the debate or do you think he stays away from that tonight . Listen i wouldnt want to be in the business of guessing what donald trump is going to do. If youre trying to win an election for the guy in a gambling business to attack the guy who saves peoples lives, it seems pretty sketchy strategy to me. They need to talk about what theyll do to be the president of the United States. If youre jeb bush you need to attack donald trump, the biggest guy in the room. You get credit if you walk up to the biggest guy in the room and punch him. The problem i think if he goes after marco rubio its like getting in a wrestling match with your little brother. I dont think it helps you at best. Theres this report, stuart, if you were jeb bush, you look at those numbers, we just looked at johns report on the numbers, the more people hear of jeb bush the less they like him, but if thats the case, then if youre jeb bush, not getting an opportunity to talk a lot in the last debate, maybe that wasnt such a bad thing. Listen, you know, when things arent working in a campaign, nothing works. Then they turn around and they start to work. You saw that with Hillary Clinton. These things can turn on a dime. Jeb bush can come back. I was in a campaign everybody in the world was giving us advice, some of it good, some of it not. Personal i think jeb bush ne