Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20151020 : comparem

Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20151020

Voters, how many are checking him out or the checking out the celebrity. They were supporting democrats or other republicans in the race but wanted to see what the fuss was about. They wanted to see donald trump in person. Like you said, he still leads in the polls so definitely gives us an idea how hes able to draw so many people and would be happy to have a couple hundred voters, anderson. Did trump talk about his feud with jeb bush and comments about 9 11 . You know, trump usually does not shy away from a controversy but when it comes to the 9 11 comments especially suggesting that george w. Bush was to blame bu because he was president at the time, trump made no comment about that and a number of reporters followed him out of the event, shouting questions, trying to get him to address the issue and dodged them and as we know, donald trump is not a guy who is camera shy in any way, so this was sort of a strange move for him and look, anderson, a number of voters i talked to were not particularly happy to see trump going after bush. They said it was no ones fault and nothing they felt like the former president could have done to prevent this. As trump is stumping, there is something happening on twitter and talk shows, a feud as we mentioned with jeb bush in the darkest days with donald trump pointing fingers and bush defending his brother. Dana bash reports. Reporter a political dual about americas catastrophe on 9 11, 2001 playing out in a very 2016 way, on twitter. Donald trump tweeting today at jeb bush im fighting to make sure it doesnt happen again. Jeb is too soft. That after bush had tweeted donald trump talks about Foreign Policy as though hes still on the apprentice. At issue. Trump suggestions that jebs brother george w. Bush could have done more as president to prevent the september 11th terror attacks. Dont blame him or dont blame him but he was president. The World Trade Center kacame dn during his reign. A response to one of his passionate moments. Such a disaster Abraham Lincoln couldnt have been elect elected. You know what . As it relates to my brother, one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. Reporter trump is even suggesting he could have stopped the 9 11 hijackers from getting into the u. S. In the first place. Im extremely tough on people coming into this country. I doubt those people could have come in the country. Reporter for the record, the 9 11 Commission Said two of the 19 hijackers over stayed visas but others gained the immigration system and Commission Said the attack was a shock but should not have come as a surprise. Still, jeb bushs campaign thinks trumps latest rant handed them a winning issue. Next week mr. Trump will say fdr was around when japan attacked pearl harbor. Its what you do after that matters and thats the sign of leadership. Reporter jeb bushs aids knew his brothers legacy would be a challenge, especially jeb bushs position on the iraq war which he bungled early on but 9 11. I can hear you. Reporter this was not Something Team bush ever dreamed would be relitigated but they are happy to do so using it to broaden criticism of trump as commander in chief. It looks as though hes not taking the possibility of being president of the United States really seriously. Reporter the push campaibus is asking to vote 5 and fight back against donald trump. Dana bash, cnn, washington. The press secretary when the 9 11 attacks happened and the tenyear search for bin laden. Peter, you say it actually is donald trump whose in the right here. Explain why you say that. Hes certainly in the right with the notion that president bush and senior advisers could have done more in the summer of 2001. In the nine months in office, they had one Cabinet Meeting about al qaeda and terrorism and 32 Cabinet Meetings about other issues and if you look on the Public Record, bush and cheney never once mentioned al qaeda or bin laden in the nine months and if they thought it was a problem, they would have said so publicly and they simply didnt. Matter of Public Record george w. Bush took the longest president ial vacation in more than three decades during the summer of 2001 despite the fact the cia was constantly warning of some kind of imminent potential attack. And in a column you wrote for cnn. Com, you go so far to say the problem was quote the Bush Administrations inability to comprehend an attack by al qaeda on the United States was a real possibility. They were preoccupied by state base so if you go back to that time there was a lot of discussion about having an anti boll ballistic offense. How do you respond to that . Is it fair to point out as peter does that the president that the Vice President didnt talk about al qaeda previously . Let me just for argument sake grant his argument, his logic, none of what he said would stop 911 from taking place. Thats what donald trump suggested it was bushs fault 9 11 took place on his watch. Nobody concluded that. Not even the 9 11 commission had access to the information concluded that. Its troubling what donald trump is saying is when america is attacked like that, terrorists are ones to blame, not the americans. This is where trumps logic would say bill clinton is to blame for the attacks in the 90s or Ronald Reagan is to blame for the attack and marine barracks. Were in a long war against terrorism and when you win the war against terrorist is focus on the people that commit attacks against us, not turning against each other. Peter, you point out the most intelligence, where, when, that is not known. Right. Sure, but the point, theres a point of comparison useful with the Clinton Administration you may recall during the ma ly mill lynn yum there was attack on the United States and they convened meetings of the National Security counsel on a daily basis in the twoweek period during that time period. Condoleezza rice did nothing to pulse the committee about the threats that were out, the potential threats out there. Those, if the community had been pulsed, maybe al qaeda recruit who is in prison in minnesota whose trying to fly a 747, that might have been picked up. There is a lot of might have beens. I agree overall we dont know but we do know for a fact that the Bush Administration was basically was very unconcerned about this matter both in their public and private statements and meetings and actions. The problem i have here, this is with hindsight misreading what took place in the summer of 2001 and in the summer of 2001, the system was blinking red about terrorists attacks to the embassies overseas, which did get the attention of everybody in the administration that led to closings of embassies and security measures to protect abroad and Nothing Happened in the summer of 2001. In large part because intelligence was wrong or because the protective measures that we took. Then you had the issue of the president ial daily brief that said bin laden determined to attack in the United States, which opponents of bush used to say you see, he knew. The issue here is like anybody ever worked with intelligence, frustrating because it doesnt say where. It doesnt say when. It doesnt say how. And the context of those briefings was entirely about arab terrorists, muslim terrorists, hijacking aircraft done for decades to negotiate ransoms in a traditional hijacking sense. That was intelligence information we had that people said shows that bush should have known. I mean, donald trump is saying that if he were president in 2001, his tougher immigration policies would have prevented hijackers from being able to enter the country. They were in this country for awhile. Lets grant donald trump he builds a wall with mexico and mexico pays for it. Would donald trump say no muslims are allowed to fly in the United States . That this is Donald Trumps immigration policy, that if youre from an arab nation, youre not allowed to board a jet and fly to america . This is what you have to believe to believe donald trump could have stopped anything. Another issue, legitimate issue changed with the patriot act is the fbi and cia were not allowed to talk to each other, which was a reform and that was indeed a problem that everybody recognized post 9 11. Now cia and fbi are allowed to share information. Peter, you still believe kind of had Condoleezza Rice or others shaken the trees, something might have popped up . Indeed. There was two al qaeda recruits in the United States who turned out to be two of the hijackers and given that information to the fbi. And i will say that i spoke to the person who wrote that president ial daily brief, a veteran cia analyst and she said the intent of that was very much to say hey there is a strong possibility bin laden and al qaeda will attack in the United States and there was information about fbi investigations going on domestically and in the United States. Again, we are not completely disagreei disagreeing. Its a matter, the Bush Administration didnt see this in any shape or form. The very first Cabinet Meeting that the Bush Administration had when it came into office is about iraq. That shows the priorities. It took them 32 more feelings that took place a week before 9 11. Again lets also remember iraq was shooting at the United States aircraft and forcing the no fly zone on behalf of the entire western world. There was a shooting war that should have taken the attention of the administration. Nothing to do with what happened in 2003 with iraq but 2001 the air force was being fired on. Three months earlier, al qaeda bombers blew up an American Ship killing 17 american soldiers. Thats a real shooting war just before the Bush Administration in the year 2000. Right. So al qaeda was already clearly a serious threat. Iraq, as we know, wasnt. So anyway, i mean, you know, historians will continue to judge this issue but i think donald trump put it into the public domain. Its a debate worth having. And ari, let me ask you the politics of this. Does it benefit jeb bush to go to bat for his brother like this . Do you think it benefits donald trump to link jeb bush to his brother . First of all, every attempt to catalog the politics of anything involved when donald trump is proved to be wrong, donald trump has this interesting and odd ability to be impervious to politics. My sense of it here, it is not a smart thing to attack somebody very popular among republican primary voters, george w. Bush and the reason hes very popular is because he kept us safe after 9 11. So he is really picked, i think, an odd fight to make inside a republican primary and that might be a reason he walked away from reporters today and went on what he typically would have. Good discussion. Thank you. You can hear the latest what trump has to say tomorrow at 6 00 a. M. Here on cnn. Hillary clinton testifies before the house on benghazi this week but are they committed to finding the truth or sham to hurt the Clinton Campaign . Well look at that next. 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Why did certain things make it to your inbox but the plaintiff pleadings of our ambassador you put in place never bothered to make it to your inbox. Thats a fair question. He spoke to Elijah Cummings and asked whether this is political and if the outcoming performance is a sham. Its a sad day for all of us, the families came in with tears in their eyes literally and said please do not make this a political football. They said find out for information what did happen and asked us to do one other thing and that is try to make sure you figure out how this does not happen again and i think we failed in all three. With me again, democratic strategist paul begala and joining me, former regan white house political director jeffly lord. Paul, in recent interviews chairman gowdy, his approach may quote shock you with fairness. Do you take him at his word for this no. You dont . No. I take him at his word when he told Chris Wallace of fox news when chris asked what does this email stuff have to do with benghazi . He said not much of anything. I certainly take that air force major who was an investigator on the committee and says its a partisan witch hunt and now trey gowdy is saying these are the worst few weeks of my life, using taxpayerss money to hound and attack servants and poll lit size paul, there is an fbi investigation going underway and i mean, as i said to the secretary during the debate, president clinton himself said this is a legitimate issue, president obama. So why are the republicans politicalizin politicalizing it . If they had a lick of sense, they would allow the investigations to go forth or look at the seven previous investigations, most of them done by congress, one of them done by an independent review board secretary clinton set up that had scathing assessments. 29 assessments, 29 criticisms, all of which hillary adopted but there have been tough investigations on this and this is pure poll tings as even the people on the committee are admitting. I dont know how much more proof we need this is not on the level. Jeff, is this pure politics . Yeah, i mean, whats pure politics is what youre hearing from paul if you want to know if this is fair, ill take the word of cheryl mills secretary clintons chief of staff that told congressman gowdy she was treated fairly. Look, what is going on here, this is what the clintons singular and plural do. They are trying to make trey gowdy to aggressively go out of their way to delegitimize the committee and this is how they play politics and i might add when we were in the regan administration, we had the business going on not out there slamming the special prosecutor, we were not out there going after people like this. This is something thats unique to the clintons. They are doing it here again and have a youtube commercial video ready to go to defend her. You know, all we want is the truth here, just the facts, maam, from that Old Television series and thats it, and i think trey gowdy is situated to get them. Its a paid ad for my super pact and i hope you watch it. There you go, paul. Appreciate it i rest my case. One at a time let paul answer. Wait a minute, jeffrey. She has a right to defense and im going to help to provide it. This is not on the level. Im not making the charges, by the way. Im repeating what the House Majority leader said and chairman said and investigator on the committee. I havent gotten to congressman hanna, another republican congressman that admitted this is a partisan investigation. Those are republicans doing this and admitting it. Forgive me for believing republicans are telling the truth jeff so there have been seven previous investigations what happened. This is the eighth. People say what will this investigation find, what was wrong with the other previous seven . Sure, anderson because the others were not conducted by select committees of the house and as we well know in the world of washington and i realize this is sort of in the weeds for a lot of folks, but other committees Standing Committees of the house or the senate for that matter have multiple responsibilities. When you create a select Committee Like this, it is their job to focus on one subject and one subject only, in this case benghazi. Thats the way to get to a point where as congressman gowdy said, the emails werent even looked at. Thats going to be done here. Thats new. So were going to see what other new facts will be uncovered and to be very candid here. Either congressman gowdy will get this done or not. If it doesnt, this will fall of it own weight. We need to know the truth. Those fo

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