Just about, three or four minutes ago. Were obviously going to continue to follow the funnel cloud in kansas city. Well bring you any updates throughout this next hour when we can. Now, we go to wounded fugitive david sweat. He is spilling even more about the escape about richard matt and their time on the run. Now according to investigators, he is telling them that matt turned into a liability. Out of shape, drinking unable to keep up. They say in addition to claiming credit for masterminding the breakout, sweat is now directly implicating seamstress Joyce Mitchell in the apparent plot to kill her husband. Moments ago we got her rinse to that. Jason carroll has late details and joins us from outside Clinton Correctional Facility in dannemora. What information now do we have about what happened in the wood while matt and sweat were out there. What happened between them . Turns out anderson there were several close calls. At one point, matt and sweat were hiding inside some sort of hunting cabin. Some people had come to check on it. They could hear their voices outside. Decided to stay hidden until the folks left. Then another incident about a week or so ago. When david sweat was hiding in a tree stand. He could see a law enforce. Officer walk by. He stayed hidden as well. So it turns out that there were several situations where these Law Enforcement searches were out there searching and much closer just a few feet away from both of these inmates than they may have ever thought. And the problems between the two inmates. Whats emerged . Yeah seemed like there were a lot of those. Much may have had to do with alcohol. Remember the alcohol, richard matt found, the bottle of purple flavored alcohol. Apparently he was drinking to much of it. Really upsetting david sweat. That wasnt the only thing. David sweat was upset with the fact that richard matt was out of shape couldnt keep up. As a result of both of those factors he finally decided it was time for him to go. Actually just about several days ago, he heard word that richard matt had been killed. That saddened him greatly. Apparently thats when he decided to make the last dash toward the canadian border. I understand sweat gave more information about the plot to kill Joyce Mitchells husband . Yeah. And this is whats really some sort of a Major Development here. Simply because we have been hearing all along that joyce, we knew she was supposed to be the getaway driver says she got cold feet how much she loved her husband. Couldnt go through with the plot to kill kill her husband, lyle. But apparently, both you know richard matt and david sweat were supposed to be on this thing. David sweat said it wasnt their idea. They said it was joyces idea to kill her husband. Motive for that at this point, still unclear. Joyce mitchell though is is denying that correct . She is. She is denying that through her attorney. Her attorney saying that that she had no knowledge of what david sweat was going to was going to say here. Once again, he said it before. She had cold feet when it came to the getaway plan. And had no intention to kill her husband. Told her husband she loved him. Said there was no way she could kill him. Clearly some one is lying. Because the stories dont match. The tools they used. Yeah. Yeah. You wonder about the motive for all this. Thats what some folks have sort of been talking about out here. Remember she was suppose to be the getaway driver here. There is some speculation that perhaps david sweat is upset that his getaway driver never showed up and this could be a way of sort of getting back at her. The motive seems to be unclear. Her attorney make it clear she had nothing to do with any murder plot. She is trying to cover her own tracks in all of this. And whether david sweats motive for talking so much. What he is revealing about his one time partner or where this leaves Joyce Mitchell. Plenty for tonight. Senior analyst, jeffrey toobin, former detective, jim trayman, and mary ellen otoole, former fbi profiler. Sweat was saying this was Joyce Mitchells idea the idea to kill her husband you. Can look and say that makes sense why else would they have decided they wanted to kill Lyle Mitchell if Joyce Mitchell wasnt involved in this . You have to sort out two dfferent things two. Possible crimes. One is the escape itself. Obviously sweat is guilty. Certainly seems like Joyce Mitchell will be culpable in that as well. Then you have the separate question of the supposed conspiracy to kill Lyle Mitchell. Her husband. Was there any conspiracy at all . Is this a crime that will actually be prosecuted . I dont know. You have joyce and sweat blaming each other. Sweat has got to be the worst witness in the united states. No jury is going to going to believe him. Will they even prosecute the incomplete conspiracy that never went forward. It is not clear that the conspiracy happened much less who is involved in it. En a situation, jeff said sweat know it a reliable source frankly neither is Joyce Mitchell i suppose. Where do you try to as an investigator how do you fry to figure this out . Because he and Joyce Mitchell the two actually know what happened are giving completely contradictory accounts. Basically you try to get as many many details as possible. Burrow as deeply as you can into their story. Try to get as many facts you can get and fact check. One of the thing i used to do when i would do this debriefing or interview would be to ask the person look if this is true how can i prove it . Something else you have to look at as well how did it come up during the interrogation or during the interview . Was maybe the idea somehow planted unintentionally by the by the interviewer and the subject just kind of picked up on and it ran with that narrative. Thats interesting. All along, mary ellen, you doubted it was these guys idea to kill Lyle Mitchell really what would they get out of that. They just want to get as far away as quickly as possible. If you look at it as Joyce Mitchell for some reason wanted her husband dead and wanted to go off with one or both of these guys that does seem to make more just on the face of it passes the smell test a little better . Behaviorally to me it does. And whether or not they can actually prove it becomes another story. But one of the things i think that is important about her is that this is a woman who really gained some status in that facility and she was enjoying all the attention and all the perks that came along with being matts girlfriend. I would not at all be surprised if she leaked information to somebody else about how her life was going to change and how she was going to be free of lyle. I would expect to hear that if in fact she was the one that suggested her husband be killed. This is not a woman who keeps secrets. So hopefully during their interviews theyll be able to identify someunelse spsomeone else that could corroborate it, she wanted it. You dont believe she had an epiphany i love my husband. Shouldnt be involved. Not going to show up. Going to check into the hospital. You think she told somebody else and that person said what are you doing . Right. Here you have a woman for months wrapped up in this relationship. New found status in the prison, some body important, having sex with matt in the broom closet. Now awful a sudll of a sudden she decide she loves her husband. Doesnt make sense for a woman now doing a lot of face saving statements. She is now becoming the victim. In my experience with women like this this is classically what they do. They want to change things around and sort of modify how people view them and like oh no, no, thats not how thats not what i did. It just is inconsistent with her behavior at the time that she was, somebody important in the prison. Wait a second. You know i am not here to defend Joyce Mitchell but you are basically accepting this psycho murderers view of, of what happened over hers . And you know she is no noble person. But i mean, come on why do you find his version does it make sense to you that two guys that break out of prison would take the time to kill this random womans person . Very little abut this story makes sense. But they also happen to be murderers. So the fact that they would actually this is sort of what they do. An Joyce Mitchell does not appear to be a very talented prison guard. But there is no evidence that she is a murderer. So i, i just find you know accepting the idea. First place there was a conspiracy at all to kill him. And that sunny was parthe was part of it. Im not convinced. Lot to learn. Information coming out. Every day, learning more. Jeff toobin mary ellen otoole. Appreciate it. More pictures from kansas state. We have seen dam ojage on the ground. Take a look. Very ominous looking images. Cnn meteorologist, dont know if we can take down the banner if that would help. Or nothing to see on the ground there. You really get a sense of just how large this system is. I want to go to our meteorologist, tom sader, joins us with the latest on what is going on. What are you seeing here when you look what is going on what is this a funnel cloud . Well a massive super cell storm right now showing rotation. Trained spotters have spotted it on the ground lees summit missouri. Near the kansas city area. Moving southeast away from kansas city. You can see the debris now. There is debris on the ground. We are getting not only now a doppler indicated rotation. But you can start to see the damage. No reports of damage in the previous touchdown of this. This is all in a watch, tornado watch from kansas city kansas down toward joplin missouri Central Missouri and columbia where the university of missouri is. This is in effect until midnight. This warning most likely extended to went from 7 central time to 7 30, will most lie likely be extended. There its the transformers blowing now. The strong circulation on the ground. Earlier anderson you couldnt see it much because it was wrapped in rain. But this its a big indication. Look at the monster sized storm. This of course the bottom of the super cell. As the the atmosphere is extremely volatile right now. From parts of eastern kansas across into Central Missouri. I wouldnt be surprised too, if the National Weather service extends the tornado watch for Central Missouri eastward to include the metropolitan area of st. Louis. Now currently. 2. 7 Million People on this watch. This the main thunderstorm cell that is producing a tornado at this time. You can see what it is doing there now. Obviously people need to to stay indoors. To get to a safe location. Tom, we are going to continue to follow this. Thank you. Well monitor it throughout this hour. We also have more on the fugitive story. A shakeup at the top of the prison in dannemora. And claim that things are changing for the better there. Big questions remain about how thing got so lax in the first place. I will talk to two former corrections workers there. And as well as former prison inspector. Later donald trump had a bad day with macy s. But appears to be having a much better time with retail politic new. Poll numbers are out. Good news for him. Macys legislate him go over the immigration remarks. He says he quit macys. Well take a look at that. Run the surprising poll numbers. Perhaps surprising to some people. 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[announcer]stay in the flow with quickbooks selfemployed. Start your free,thirtyday trial today at joinselfemployeddotcom. Big changes to the prison in dannemora. New York State Corrections Department named a new superintendent. In addition every cell gets a weekly inspection. All tunnels inspected monthly instead of twice yearly before the escape. So many lingering doubts about this prison. Joining a former sergeant there, jeff dumas, and keith provost, and patrick dunleavy. Patrick, so according to records which were obtained from the prison. Corrections officers have been raising concerns for years about lax security. Specifically weaknesses in the tailor shop where both worked and along with Joyce Mitchell. What do you make of that . Well i think the reports you are referring to were based on Labor Management meetings that took place at the facility level. I believe those probably also took place at the executiveen in albany. Labor management meetings between the bargaining groups in the prison. Bringing up their concerns. Management has to address them or state why they dont think though particular concerns are valid. How often do audits happen from the new York State Department of corrections. How much oversight is there within these prisons . Oh my goodness. They are daily that theyre doing audits on reports that are submitted by each facility. Atica, singsing, down the line data reports on staffing. Number of posts closed. Overtime hours. Unusual incidents. Misbehavior reports. Accidents. All that stuff is being submitted. It is supposed to be looked at by Central Office personnel of the rank of assistant commissioner. Keith, what do you make of the security protocols. Cells getting weekly inspections, tunnels getting inspected monthly. Are those thing that should have been done a long time ago . I feel they should have been done a long time ago. I just want to quantify one thing. I place no blame on any single person. This has been a systematic failure for for probably decade, i mean whef beene have been the officers at clinton come of planing about some of the fixed posts for years and years. So i did just read the the new protocols today. And, i am on board with a lot of them. I mean those things should have been done, you know, years ago. You said Corrections Officers had meetings talked regularly about security concerns and need for change in procedures there. Did albany new York State Department of corrections, i know you believe they often would turn down those requests for changes. Yes, absolutely. We have done numerous requests. Pat was on the money dating what he stated. It comes down to the superintendent does not have power and thrtauthority. It goes to building two in albany. They come back with recommendations. If they fol plealow what staff says at hand on level. Thats great. Most often theyve dont. Patrick, i know you said when it comes to watching people in prisons the Corrections Officers either become cynical or become a sucker. Can you explain what you mean by that . Sure. I was referring to the fact that when you hire a correction officer you need somebody who has the eyes and ears of a cop but heart of humanitarian. Because you are going into a human condition having humans watch other humans. There is dynamic there. If you become too hard you are going to be cynical. Lack at every human being that comes from a particular area or ethnicity. As a criminal. On the other hand if you become too soft hearted youll become a sucker somebody like gene palmer one day felt sorry for an inmate decided to help them. There is a balance. A fine line between being a correction officer, firm fair consistent. As owe opposed to hard nosed cynic or sucker. Keith, these guys were able to do a practice run we learned the night before the actual escape. Left clothes in their bed made it look like they were sleeping. You worked the overnight shift as a correction officer there, can you describe the process of night counts and are officers allowed, can they go into individual cells if they think something is suspicious . No not on night shift. We would have to call the sergeant lieutenant down. What happens on night shift, we come in. We start our shift for the 12 00 count. The bell would ring. Lights are on. We would take a live count. Most of the time the inmates would be sitting at the end of their bed. Then the one, two, three, four 5 00 counts are less secure. There was always a push back because if we if we ended up waking the inmates up a lot, there would be some grievances filed. And then there is always push back from the administration or from from albany, saying, you know we were waking the inmates up too much. There is always a little push back for that. Then at the 5 30 count or 6 00 count. The same thing. The bell goes on. The lights go on. And it is a live count. The inmates are sitting of in their bed or showing some sort of live movement. It has the gotten to the point now where i have been told from the new recruits that theyre actually instruction new recruits now to not flash the flashlight in their eyes. Theyre instructing them to hit the floor and then just glance up. And then walk done to the next cell. Thats just a problem. Thats not the way it should be done. Again. We are still learning so much about. Not only what happened to the two guys but inside the prison. Appreciate all of you, jeff dumas, keith provost, pat dunle dunlevy. Matts escape as well as sick vicious life ended down the road from the trail irer where he spent his final days and left clues to what the days are like. Gary tuchman takes you inside. We want to warn you one of the images you will see is graphic. Reporter it is one of busier roads in Franklin County new york. A road that