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they ordinarily would be at this hour. the king solomon is 79 which is relatively young by royal standards. the path he chooses for the kingdom will be vitally important to the united states of course the influence that saudi arabia carries in the arab and muslim world as well as the economic cloud it holds as the world's leading oil exporter. a lot to talk about now. nic robertson is following for us. and on the phone, chief international correspondent, christiane amanpour joins us as well. christiane let's start with you. obviously, the king was quite old when he officially took the throne but he was still considered a reformer. though a reformer in a very conservative context of saudi arabia. >> reporter: well anderson that's right. king ab doula was king far short of time he was ruler of saudi arabia since 1995. sort of dates back to when his predecessor king stod developed a debilitating stroke. he's the man the united states and the rest of the worltd has dealt with for the last 20 years. he has had several very important initiatives and very thwarted in some ways relationship wts united states. back in the early 2000s, for instance, king convinced the arab league to present an unprecedented agreement to recognize israel. in 1967. that hasn't happened but that plan is considered still the basis of what might eventually be a peace settlement or a big part of it. obviously, he was also very very anti-iran. saudi arabia sort of led that arab part of the anti-iran coalition and he has, that has been a real hallmark of saudi policy the last years or more. saudi arabia was not at all pleased with the obama administration's attempt to sort of have a nuclear deal with iran or any kind of agreements like that. saudi arabia also disagreed very strongly with the united states over policy towards syria, saudi arabia wanted a syrian moderate sunni rebels against bashar assad to be armed and that caused a huge amount of friction with the united states. and interestingly, saudi arabia also refused to take its seat in the security council. it was made to have the arab seat in the security council and it considered that an ineffective position and didn't take it. so it's a very close ally of the united states but very prickly too. >> nic robertson, we're just getting a statement from president obama on king ab doula's passing, it's with deep respect that i express my personal condolences and sympathies of the american people to the ping and the people of saudi arabia. always valued king ab dullah. he had the candid convictions. importance of the u.s. saudi relationship for a force of stability in the middle east and beyond. a lot of people do talk about him as a reformer, but again, reforms, it's obviously a very conservative kingdom. the growth of the secret police under him was extreme. there's a lot of people saying he wasn't much of a reformer at all. >> and there were others who would say he did achieve some things. he did give women a limited voice. he did try to sort of move issues forward for them. you know there was an expectation when he came to power that women might be able to drive. you know as strange as that may sound, they still can't drive in saudi arabia. he didn't ever achieve that, but some of the things he did do to sort of open up society a bit he created one of the first coeducational universitys and created a large educational establishment for girls as well. and when he was krit sieszed by some of the country's more conservative religious leaders, he had some of him removed from their position. this was a man who could move but would, albeit within the limitations of saudi society. it's, you know the most important thing for the saudi leadership when you're in power or right now passing power over to the next king to king salmon now, is the continuity and the stability and the population should understand that the region should understand that. you know the saudis do live in fear the royal family does live in fear that there could be a popular uprising and securing a strong shift in power, a seamless transition is important for them because there are human rights blogger just recently sentenced to a thousand lashes given 50 a week. situations like this really point to the fact the country may not have moved forward very much but certainly, king abdullah he tried to move forward in some areas and he himself respected and stopped the flogging of this blogger in the last couple of weeks. these are small steps, that's an indication of just how conservative the undercurrent is in saudi arabia anderson. >> bob, do we know much about the sol mon who is going to replace him? some accounts say he's actually harder lined, more conservative than abdullah and if abdullah really was a huge reformer there are people he could have made his predecessor. >> anderson he's a half brother, he was the full brother of king fahid. he's one of the sudary seven. when he was governor of riyadh they were concerned about the la hobbies, connected to bin laden. very conservative. judging by his past he will not be sort of a healing force that king abdullah. king abdullah was a fantastic king in the saudi complex. he kept a lid on the place from challenges from iraq yemen, to egypt, he took them all on, he did a wonderful job. so i think his passing is a real loss for us and the saudis. >> christiane bob dare nic robertson, we'll check in with you later of these developments. more breaking news in the middle east and a story like the last one, very important right now to american interests. the senior state department official satd the united states embassy in yemen is pulling out more personnel because of security concerns. earlier today, yemen's president stepped down shortly after the prime minister and captain resigned. rocked by chaos since rebels seized the presidential palace this week. rebels still hold the kidnapped presidential aide despite agree agreeing to receive him. jim sciutto joins me now. the situation in yemen, serious ramifications for the u.s. >> no question. the u.s. presence there is essential to keeping up this essential relationship in the fight against terrorists specifically al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the embassy staff on the ground serving that political relationship but also a military presence on the ground a military relationship that's been key to those drone strikes that have helped kept al qaeda in the arabian peninsula under wraps to some degree in yemen. they haven't pulled out all their staff, the military staff that remains key to that program but if the situation deteriorates further, it is possible that you could evacuate all u.s. personnel. >> i also want to talk about, there was a figure given out today in a press conference a figure of 6,000 dead in isis members dead so far, isis killed 6,000 killed. what did chuck hagel have to say about that? was that information supposed to be released is that accurate is chuck hagel secretary of defense standing by that? >> i heard various revies on that today. we did get confirmation from central demand is 6,000 is the u.s. estimate to be clear, that's the estimate of number of fighters killed since the start of the campaign some five or six months ago but i heard from some other officials they weren't comfortable, that seemed high thousands was a better estimate but it's interesting to see secretary hagel today didn't seem comfortable with any such estimate. here's what he had to say. >> here is the measurement. i don't think it is the measurement. i mean i was in a war with a lot of body counts everyday. we lost everyone. >> hagel, a vietnam war veteran, the body counts didn't prove to be at all accurate in showing u.s. progress during the vietnam war and clearly, the secretary doesn't want to go that way again. >> so the ambassador who put out the figure the 6,000 figure did he go rogue? it doesn't seem like the administration wanted it out there. >> i don't know. it circulated within the pentagon or whether certain officials wanted it out there or not, clearly, secretary hagel and some others i spoke to on background in the pentagon did not want the figure out there and part of the reason is because it's an estimate it's an assessment from pilots at several thousand feet it's not a hard number but they do want to give some benchmarks as to what their progress is there and this is one of them. i think we should look at it that way. it's a benchmark but certainly not a definitive one. >> jim sciutto, appreciate the update. there's a lot more to get to tonight. quick reminder make sure you set your dvr, watch "360" whenever you want. next speaking out about deflaet gate. what the patriots quarterback on whether he and others in the organization did anything wrong and deadly shooting by a police officer, this time caught on dash cam. the video and the questions it raises when "360" continues. our eyes they have a 200-degree range of sight. which is good for me. hey! and bad for the barkley twins. your brain can send information to the rest of your body at 268 mph. three times the speed of a fastball. take care of your most important parts with centrum. multivitamins expertly designed with nutrients people don't get enough of from food alone. centrum. for the most important parts of you. the lightest or nothing. the smartest or nothing. the quietest or nothing. the sleekest... ...sexiest ...baddest ...safest, ...tightest, ...quickest... ...harshest... ...or nothing. at mercedes-benz, we do things one way or we don't do them at all. introducing the all-new c-class. see your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services. alka-seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold, with terrible chest congestion. better take something. i'll catch up later. awww... truth is, theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? 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>> yes, i'm very comfortable saying that as far as i know. i don't know anything and i also understand that i was in a locker room preparing for a game. i don't know what happened over the course of the process with the footballs. >> joining me now is fox sports analyst, mike pereira, eric hester who worked as a ball boy for the bears and nfl reporter ben volen. we'll start with you, ben. he threw his quarterback under the bus today, how so? >> well when bill belichick gave his press conference he gave an 8 minute opening statement and he said hey, don't look at me. i know nothing about the ball inflation. i've got bigger things to worry about on game day. you heard him say i learned more about this in the last three days than i learned in the past 40 years and said ask the other guy. tom brady can ask him how he likes his football. usually you see the buck stops with me and i take responsibility. he didn't do that. he said i'm not at fault here and you have to talk to the other guy. >> so ben, it's absolutely known for sure that 11 of the 12 balls were underinflated? >> they said our initial investigation revealed several footballs under inflated and now to have a more formal review. 24 footballs were inspected before the game extra 12 because of inclement weather on sunday. the 11 number came from an espn report. that's what everyone has been going on this point. all we know is several footballs were found to be underinflated. >> so eric brady said the footballs didn't feel different to him. as a former ball boy, you said if the ball was deflated you would have noticed it correct? >> well it's really hard to say. as a ball boy, you spend a lot of times with the footballs and the quarterbacks do too. you prepare the balls with the quarterback for the week leading up to the game and the quarterback are particular about the way the football feels in their hand and a change in pressure can be detectable if you really are feeling for the pressure. >> so you're saying a quarterback would know the difference? >> if he's looking for it but i do have to say in the heat of the game with everything going on i can totally believe that brady might not notice a drop in pressure in between quarters or plays. >> eric who actually from the time the balls are checked by the ref s, where are they? >> the ball boys bring them to the referees at that point. they're inspected. after that in my experience we would bring them out straight to the field. at that point, warm-ups would happen and a lot of people at that point start getting their hands on the footballs and throughout the game. it's the ball boy's responsibility to keep track of the balls but ultimately there's a lot going on and the ball is moving around a lot. i will say given everything going on the thousands of fans around media cameras everywhere i think it would be very difficult to speak off with a dozen footballs and deflate them without everyone knowing. >> belichick is saying that in his whole career never talked to any player or staff member about air pressure in balls, no knowledge of steps in the balls of preparing the game ball. does that make sense to you? >> yeah probably does. i don't think coaches spend a lot of time reading the rule book period. it's a set routine for the officials, but most people say, 12 balls each team but just pointed out by eric i think it's 24 balls by the home team in inclement weather. but the pounds per square inch has really reallynever really been a situation. but in lane clipen with underinflated footballs there which made it much easier for their quarterback to throw. it's not the first time this has happened and the one thing i would disagree with that, you know even though bill says that he wasn't aware of all the procedures and i get that i do think that it's easy to deflate a football and we talked about that before. simply put the needle in the ball the air will come out. it's something you can do away from the cameras and as far as the quarterback not feeling the difference you know you've had the monday morning quarterback, you've had the rich eisen show that have taken two footballs of two pounds difference in pressure and they had a hard time telling the difference. and so it's not something that officials would have noticed but i do believe that if the quarterback knows that he's throwing an underinflated ball not only will he get a better grip but subconsciously i think it will affect him too. >> eric is it possible, you know weather had an impact on these balls, again, you said you spent a lot of time obviously with footballs. is it possible that they just naturally deflated? >> i've heard that theory and people have put that to the test. again, i think that in the course of the game both the ball boys and the quarterback aren't really taking the balls and really thinking much about the way their pressure feels at that moment. it really would take a pressure gauge to truly tell that big drop in pressure occurred whether from the weather or something else. >> but then didn't one of the players from the colts, when he intercepted a ball didn't he sort of feel like he noticed a difference and brought it up? >> what's funny is the colts player dew kwaul jackson came out today saying he didn't notice it was uninflated and never intended any of this to happen. supposedly he intercepted the football far over to the sideline and a colts sideline attendant who got the football and then noticed it was underinflated and he informed the coach who informed the general manager who informed the league and they informed the officials. the player dewkwal jackson said they were using colts footballs towards the end of the half. so there's so much out there that's still unknown. the nfl is being very tight lipped about this. i asked them several questions about the process of this investigation and have they interviewed tom brady yet. he said he hasn't even been spoken with. the nfl is tight lipped and not much sunshine at all into this investigation. >> dan, i think that bears repeating and is important what you just said. there's been a lot of reporting on this a lot of people talking about this certainly, but the actual hard facts, it seems, aren't all that hard at all. >> you're right. the nfl is saying very little. all they've done is confirm that yes, in fact they are reviewing this. and supposedly they have people in foxborough this week and it's been four days now. so i thought it was pretty safe to assume yes, they had spoke with tom brady and bill belichick, all the key figures. bill said they haven't spoke with him yet. the league is only four hours down. you'd think they could speak with tom brady. not sure about the league offense, why they're not providing anything with this. you'd think after the ray rice fiasco they would so we have more confidence in their investigations. >> all right. ben volin, thank you, eric keser, mike prer ra. quickly turned fatal and it was caught on tape. >> move. >> dead man was african-american and so was one of the police officers one of the two police officers not stopped the questions about the decision to shoot. was it the right one? 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>> you know i don't think that's clear. when you look at a case like this the question remains the same. was the force justified and when you look at the use of force policy in new jersey that officer had to believe he was in imminent immediate danger of death or great bodily injury anderson and the bottom line is he's getting out of the car, they've already retrieved the gun they've found in the glove compartment and his hands are up. i've said it time and time again, hands up is the universal gesture for sur render. why if someone is surrendering why do you have to shoot to kill? >> sunny, it's interesting. we talked about race a lot in the wake of ferguson but this shooting the officer is black, the passenger killed also black. do you think that changes some of how the way people look at this? >> you know, i don't think it should. certainly many times we talk about race when it comes to interactions with police officers and certainly, there is that racial bias that sometimes plays a part that implicit bias that sometimes plays a part but in large part this is an issue of policing and anderson we've talked about this time and time again. you know we understand that police officers have a very difficult job, everyone understands that they are scared as well. but when you have a video like this which, in my view shows an officer who is very very agitated very tense using unprofessional language, expletive ridden commands screaming at this young man, i've got to tell you, you know it just doesn't seem to me that the appropriate decorum was taking place and that for me calls into question this entire incident. >> mark i mean, does the language matter? a gun was found in this vehicle. the guy who was killed he reportedly served a lengthy amount of time in prison for shooting at police when he was a teenager and one of the officers involved in this incident knew who he was, arrested him for a different crime just last year. i mean do you buy sunny point of sort of the decorum? >> what's interesting in this case i disagree to the extent that the officer was all upset, actually quite calm when he came up to the scene. i can recognize someone not only arrested before in a drug charge but much more importantly, he was somebody who shot a police officers before and that he's a felon and when you see a gun two feet away from a felon, that's going to ramp up the officer's fear. >> can i address that because where, again aim blaiming the dead guy, the victim we're going over his past criminal history and saying that is appropriate to take appropriate action bottom line martha stewart spent time in prison as well, should martha stewart when she gets stopped get shot not be given the benefit of the doubt? i just think it's ridiculous. >> but sunny, isn't that -- >> should be shot. >> sunny, isn't that apples and oranges? i guess if martha stewart was buying stocks you might give her a little closer inspection on her stock performance and what stock she's picking. if a guy has been arrested for shooting at police and a gun is found in the vehicle. >> when he was -- >> but those are elements that clearly would be in somebody's mind if they had that information. >> look i mean i think we have to make it clear, he was 13 years old when that happened. we don't know all the facts surrounding that. he spent time in prison paid debt to society got arrested again, paid his debt to society and now is like every other citizen. >> i need to disagree a little bit. >> it's okay he got shot. >> the relevant question is this. was the officer reasonable in using deadly force and in looking at that question then the officer's perception is very relevant and if the officer's per semgs is, this is jerame reed who has shot at officers before and a convicted felon and that makes it relevant. not just we killed a previous felon but what he was thinking in the split second he had to think it and reed refused to listen to a number of specific commands. >> to follow on one point, what the supreme court has ruled and all officers are trained in terms of a review of it is to tally the circumstances. we need to know what was going on in the officer's mind. how much information did he know about this individual how much information did he know about this criminal past standing in the officer, he was arrested before and he would know about the previous time he spent shooting at the police and tally the circumstances, as your other guest pointed out, a felon, a gun in close proximity, officers are trained with an ex-felon with a gun, dangerous sign and then spent hard time for shooting at police greater threat level and all of that is reasonable for an officer to believe and the question becomes at the moment the shots are fired, was it reason for him to proceed that his life was in jeopardy? if he's told stay in the car and he doesn't, he forces his way out of the car and hands up is one thing, versus hands coming towards. and i can't tell from that video exactly what was going on. so that's why i think, once again, we have to wait to see what the entire investigation discloses about all these crucial points. >> okay david clinger, i appreciate you being on. mark o'mara sunny hostin. >> thanks for having me. well coming up next with all the consequences of getting the shoot or don't shoot decision wrong in their life or death consequences, how officers are trained to get it right. we'll show you technology that brings police so close to life and death enkointers some police react physically like it's the real thing. introducing... a pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until... the am. new aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. ♪ go! go! go! he's challenging the very fabric of society. in a post cannonball world! was it grilled cheese? 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[ shots fired ] don't you [ bleep ] move. >> the entire new jersey incident last month took about a minute and a half the decision to shoot, only split seconds. the stakes this time and always life and death, which puts the focus understandably on training police to get to try to get it right for everyone's sake. kyung lah with a new way to have officers train to make the important decision they'll ever face. >> you need to calm down. >> no, you need to calm down. >> reporter: a man being questioned suddenly turns, slamming a police officer with a snow shovel. the suspect is shot and killed by police. >> you have to put your hands back on your head. >> reporter: this suspect, at first calm with police officers rushing for a knife in his car and tries to stab the officers who shoot and kill him. >> i didn't see the knife. >> reporter: then there's this encounter. an officer responding to a domestic violence call in a seemingly routine chat for several minutes with this man, tries to pat him down for a weapon. you can see the gun, five shots strike 24-year-old officer tyler stewart of the flagstaff, arizona, police department killing him. officer stewart never had a chance to draw his weapon. moments later, the suspect used that weapon to kill himself. >> you're at gunpoint. >> reporter: body cameras, part of a growing arsenal of technology in policing giving us an intimate view of a cop's life. from the challenges to the life and death choices. this officer devastated in front of a dash cam as he discovers the suspect he thought was armed was not. the suspect died after the officer shot him, a police shooting determined to be justified. as hard as this is to watch, technology in policing. >> in the past officers never had the ability to see this, so now we're learning from the mistakes or really just finding out if the officer has done the right thing. >> reporter: not just after the shooting but before. >> have multiple subjects fired, one down in the arcade. >> reporter: this is henderson police officer, kohlman. in 11 years, never had to shoot a suspect but has to train to do it and know when not to. this is a 300 degree simulation created by bertra used by 200 law enforcement agencies. gunman is in a movie theater. the gunman hits officer cole man twice and makes one terrible mistake, shooting at off-duty cop. >> as we have time to look at it you see he's got. >> it looks like you're still sweting a little bit. >> it's an adrenaline rush. makes you cold clammy. this is where i want to learn from my failures instead of being out on the streets and failing there, this gives me an edge to fail here and succeed on the streets. >> reporter: how realistic does this feel? 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you are up to no good. >> reporter: this kind of language is very disturbing to mike allen who happies to be deputy dove's new boss just elected as new sheriff after campaigning with the promise to end this kind of activity. >> i thought this can't happen. all the information isn't coming forth. >> today, how do you feel about it? >> after i viewed a video tape i feel that this these highway needs to be looked into and people's rights are not being violated. >> reporter: records show deputy lee dove was trained by desert snow an oklahoma company responsible for training thousands of police nationwide in road side tactics ranging from catching terrorists to seizing cash from motorists. so we wanted to ask deputy dove about this why he thinks this in any way is appropriate. it was night fall when we walked up to his fence at his house. we have a question for you. >> no answer. we were pulled other by some of the department colleagues. why? the deputies told after a visit. we'd done nothing wrong but one of the deputies told us quote, lee's been having a tough time. a few minutes later, we were let go. >> i've lived in totalitarian societies, i was in bulgaria before the fall of the wall and the iron curtain and it's real spooky. i think this is one aspect you'd be worried about, but even more than that i think the average traveler traveling on the interstate highway in this country would never imagine this kind of thing happen to him. >> reporter: the attorney sheriff say both is investigating the situation. the attorney adding he has been informed that deputy dove and one or more of his colleagues are being investigated for at least 38 similar forfeiture stocks. new sheriff said the stops have now been suspended, but is deputy dove with the department? yes. sheriff allen did not say whether he's taken off active duty and deputy is still being paid. what about the $40,000 seized from this driver? it has been returned as part of an out of court settlement. >> gary tuchman joins us now. it's fascinating to hear these reports. what happens to the money after the police take it? >> the police spend it and the district attorney's office spend it. the forfeitures have different for much they get. but they spend the money, it's all legal. supposed to be for professional purposes to approve a police station, buy new weapons, buy new cars. they're not supposed to use it for dinners and bowling parties. some have done it over the years but pull over people they really believe are human smugglers, it's all good but people they know are innocent? it's all bad. >> hmm. gary tuchman, appreciate it. thanks for staying on top of it. just ahead, breaking news out of saudi arabia. king abdul la has died. larry instantly transferred money from his bank of america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season". and before he quit his friend's leaf-raking business for "not offering a 401k." larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that's why when the time came he counted on merrill edge to streamline his investing and help him plan for the road ahead. that's the power of streamlined connections. that's merrill edge and bank of america. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. going to check back in on the breaking news we brought you at the top of the broadcast. saudi arabia's king abdullah died. salman is the new king. nic robertson joins me again. do we know much about salman? >> he certainly had a lot of experience as an administrator. he was a governor of riyadh for about the last 40 or so years. he's viewed by some as a conservative. others have told me that he is also had something of a moderate as well. that seems conflicting, but bottom line here is this is another old man, 79 and not in the best of health anderson. >> in terms of i've read a lot that he's a strong supporter of wahabyism and if abdullah wanted more reforming, there are other people he might have selected. >> the problem he would have had doing that is that it's not only him involved in the selection as a counsel that appointed to oversee the election because behind the scenes there are who gets the power, it's been long after in that family anderson. >> nic robertson, appreciate it. we'll see you again at 11 p.m. morgan spurlock "inside man" starts now. robots. they've been promised to us for generations, aweutonomousautonomous. we might be on the cusp of the new age of artificial intelligence we've had for so long. the question is are we ready for them and are they ready for us?

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