Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20150110 : comparem

Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20150110

Amedy is dead and hayat is at large. All members of the same terror cell. A Police Spokesman went in the supermarket where two hostages are killed. Frankly, its hard to imagine how its possible that she actually slipped away giving the huge numbers of police around there. The police Union Official who said she may have slipped away but frankly, they dont know for sure whether or not she was even inside. Theres a lot of conflicting information. Lets take a look at the day as it unfolded. [ speaking french ] i just want to pause the video for a moment here. This is when police were first entering the supermarket. You can see the length of time it took to raise that gate. You can also there early on see the body of what is most likely one of the hostages already lying lifeless on the ground. Now, this frozen image, that is the gunman the terrorist, the third suspect actually running out of the door. Now, its possible possible that somewhere in that crowd was this woman, the fourth accomplice hayat boumediene. That is one report by a police Union Official who say she may have escaped. Its not clear whether or not she was in there. She is certainly considered on the loose. There is a massive manhunt for her under way. Not much was immediately known about her. Police are in fact asking anyone with information to please come forward. As for her male kpanian, before killed he spoke with cnn affiliate. Well as you might imagine, the more we learn, the uglier this picture gets and the greater concern. The state department warned u. S. Citizens traveling overseas to maintain, in their words, high vigilance and increase security awareness. As i said this manhunt is going on. I want to go to the latest on the manhunt. Jim sciutto is joining us now. Jim, what are you hearing about who this woman is and what kind of threat she may pose . Reporter well police are treating her very seriously as possibly dangerous. Its not clear though what her operational role was in all of this. As you say, the police union saying they believe she was present in that kosher market but the interior ministry and others are not confirming that. Police have also said it is believed that she was present when hamdi kolabali killed the Police Officer yesterday in paris but thats not confirmed either. One thing is clear. She was not just a peripheral figure. The Reason Police know this we heard from the prosecutor this evening, that last year alone, there were some 500 phone calls between her and the wife of Cherif Kouachi, of course one of the brothers who carried out the attack at Charlie Hebdo. 500 phone calls. You know theres been a lot of questions over the last 72 hours whether these two group of attackers, the hostage taker here the two brothers who carried out the attack on Charlie Hebdo and killed in the northeast of paris, were they connected . Clearly, a connection established that extended back months a full year. Those 500 phone calls. What were they talking about . It is possible that the attackers suspected that they were under surveillance by the police so they would have their companions communicate with each other. But clearly based on those communications she was not just a companion of this attacker. She was somehow involved in the planning in the communication before these attacks were carried out. Reporter jim, as we show that video, you were there, you heard the shots banged as well. We dont know for sure theres no evidence publicly known that ive seen that the suspect, the female suspect was actually inside that Grocery Store other than the statement from a local police Union Official. We see the gate opening up. You can actually see the body of one hostage laying lifeless on the ground and were going to talk more in detail about this with some Security Experts in a moment but the idea she could have possibly escaped frankly seems hard to believe. Reporter it would be pretty remarkable. The only opportunity to be to slip out when those hostages slipped out. Thats difficult to see, to confirm in that video, but also somewhat difficult to see as thats possible there. Another thing, just to be clear that we learned from the video and this is something that was said on national tv by the french president later after the attack that those four that were killed inside the kosher shop that that took place early in the operation. It did not take place during the police raid but earlier during the hostage taking. Thats what french authorities believe, but of course we do see in that tape the killer himself being killed by police charging them much as the two brothers charged police in northeast paris. You know we heard earlier in the day they said they wanted to die as martyrs, as they say. They certainly got their wish to die in these attacks, these police raids. And in that video you just saw him actually rushing towards the police were not showing the actual killing and then bringing out his lifeless body. Theyre working on one of the tactical officers who was wounded in the attack too. Police were wounded in this raid. Jim, i appreciate the update. Joining us now is chief International Correspondent Christiane Amanpour and former navy member fabris amenia. I appreciate you being with us. As you see this video of the raid and following closely both raids, i wonder how you feel they went. Because it looks extremely difficult with that gate moving up slowly. That is the worst possible situation in an assault like this. Of course. Because we try to be very quick because supplies is 70 of the attack. Of course times they need to relieve that gait give some advantage to the terrorist. But quite successful. The lady i dont think she would have escaped you say its surrounded. Even in the confusion, anybody who was brought out was immediately hustled into the vehicle. Of course. When you launch an assault like this you have to sort of think about your theres no slipping trrls among those. So each hostage is checked to be sure its clear before to declare and eventually give some medics clear. Okay . And perimeter is surrounded. So nobody can escape. The other question which obviously Law Enforcement and intelligence is looking into carefully, are there other people in some form of a cell directly linked to this cell who may be still operational beside this female suspect . Well actually its very difficult to say now whether there are more people or not. What we say, its an old cell. 10 15 20 people and originating from threats. So its known that this grouping this grouping of people who knew each other and going back a long ways there were more people in this operational cell back then. Whether or not they are still operational, we dont know. Yes, indeed. And actually we knew at the time there were like 10 or 15. But we also know they have expanded because of the syrian war, because of the inflow of french jihadi joining isis later on and moving back. I think the most disturbing pattern we see, the operation that seems to be. Basically have multiple threats and originate from the cell. Sorry. Its okay. Benefitting. There are real questions boasting on the part of these two suspects whether or not some of these groups are claiming credit we talk about that a little bit later coming up. But christiane we have learned so much just in the last 24 hours about this cell about their potential foreign contacts and this suspect still at large given the massive manhunt is obviously a huge concern here. Well, exactly. The foreign minister told me yesterday when i was in paris that actually some 30 of those they suspect have gone to syria or iraq or wherever are actually women. So that is very important when we see this woman who is on the lam there in paris. We have had very serious warnings from the british Domestic Intelligence m. I. 5. Ahead of lot of leaders heading into paris on sunday for a mini summit also attorney general eric holder going. They are very very concerned here that there will be an attack of mass casualty. Thats the words of the british mi5 chief. Thats a stark warning. He barely peaks, the first time in two years shes spoken and known of 20 plots over the last 14 months. Theyre very concerned about airlines, about transportation iconic landmarks and others targeted sometime now or in the future. How concerned are you from a security standpoint that other potential jihadists who may already be here and france has a huge number of suspects will see what has taken place over last two or three days and think, this was a success, from the terrorists standpoint and its something that could be relatively easily repeated . I think we have maybe 1,000 jihad jihadis in france. With aspirations of going overseas. The official figure was 500 but some experts estimate 2,000. These are actual from syria. It goes on exponential scale, you know . And for sure we are like that in france waiting for the right time to act. Because of the choice of the moment and the place. And also though much has been made early on of how they knew how to handle ak47s, they clearly made a number of mistakes. They clearly didnt have a plan thought out. They ended up being on the run. But it still doesnt take a huge amount of skill to carry out an attack that can have a massive, not only death toll but also political impact social impact. Those guys determined. They know how to use weapons. They dont need to prepare the attack very well. The target and the rush. They ended up prepare with plan b, plan c to escape. A place to hide. Waiting. Police forces to be tired and then exit change clothes, change car. Just going like this and try to escape. Maybe surprise to others such huge. And certainly, thats how they ended up at that print station. Christiane a massive solidarity is expected even with the manhunt continuing that goes ahead. Indeed. Its been called for and they expect a lot of people to come out. You know in this speech this evening and even in his first speech to the nation on wednesday evening, french president francois alad said unity is the only thing to keep the nation safe and allow us to fight back. Unity and solidarity. Hes had various political leaders, opposition leaders. Theres a mini summit of european heads of state, heads of government. Also american top officials to come and talk about how to fight this. But it is after the initial crisis has passed and once they get through this initial crisis, it is a longterm not only soul searching but ramping up of intelligence of security to try to put even more sort of effort in place. Although youve just been discussing with your colleagues there, its very difficult to catch every single one of them as all these officials say. Yes, and very briefly, to follow one suspect requires dozens of people. Actually it does. But this is the argument that is running now. We need 30 people to follow one suspect. 30 people to follow one suspect. Actually the problem is this is a very good argument very fair but those cells were the most known. Those people were very known for years in france and therefore, even if its very difficult to follow older jihadi popping up with isis those people were basically the primary target of the intelligence and this is where i would say there was a huge failure in terms of french intelligence. Look at the u. S. U. S. Had a nofly ban. But actually they were able to fly one of them from france to yemen to get training in al qaeda camps in 2011. So quite disturbing. And theres a lot to cover in the next two hours. I appreciate you both being with us, and Christiane Amanpour as well. Weve got to take a break. Up next more on the possible connection to al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. That groups global call to arms ahead. Sir, were going to need you on the runway. vo theraflu starts to get to work in your body in just 5 minutes. vo theraflu breaks you free from your worst cold and flu symptoms. vo theraflu. Serious power. 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Separately today, the two fugitive brothers ended their own reign of terror in a gunfire in a shop outside of the city where Frederik Pleitgen joins us now. Whats the latest youre hearing about how it all unfolded at the print shop . The two brothers were thought to be deep or at least partially in the forest. That may have been a diversion on the french Law Enforcement in case they felt the brothers were monitoring Media Coverage but how can you give us the tick tok of how this unfolded . Reporter yeah its interesting. When we heard all of this unfold it seemed as though the operation was clean and quick. Certainly by many standards, it was. Not as clean and quick as we thought at the time. At some point out here we heard a couple of gunshots and then we heard a sort of muted detonation it seemed like someone was setting off a stun grow grenade inside the room. Firing one of several stun grenades in the print shop where the two terrorists were hold up. What we see now is that apparently it was a little more violent than we initially thought. It seems as though the two gun men went outside, opened fire on police. There was a video that the National Police released just a couple of hours ago that seemed to show there was actually some automatic fire that these two men gave off initially as this siege began. Thats when the police responded. They fired the stun grenades into the print shop and what appears to be single fire shots that eliminated the two terrorists quickly. From our von taj point here it appeared to us as though the actual raid took less than a minute. What happened after that is that helicopters landed there almost immediately. One was a medical helicopter to evacuate any sort of casualties. We do know now, anderson, that at least two Police Officers were slightly wounded in this raid. However, the casualties very very low and very good on the part of the police. Also one of the interesting things about all this there was a man who was also holed up with the terrorists in the house the entire time and as we were reporting, we thought it was a hostage but it appears as though the terrorist never knew he was inside and some who are saying he was possibly in contact with the police as all of this was unfolding giving them valuable information. That certainly appeared to have helped them. The latest we have anderson is that apparently it was the two terrorists that initiated the contact with the police that then led to this siege and possibly the other siege in paris. As weve been reporting throughout the entire evening, they set off almost simultaneously anderson. Right. That second siege really actually began several minutes, as many as five minutes or more after this first siege was well under way. So as you said if in fact as youre reporting, these two terrorists actually initiating the contact the final contact with police at the print shop then the police at the store perhaps were concerned that the gunmen inside the terrorists inside the supermarket would hear about it because they had a phone contact with others and would have initiated some action against the hostages there. Fred i appreciate the reporting. More on the connection this whole crew may have had to the terror movement, mainly al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. He joins us tonight with more on that. Jeremy youve heard two different statements from al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Theres a difference between an official statement from the Organization Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula which we dont yet have. What i have is two separate statements from a source who i know to be a member of al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in yemen, a source that provided me with credible information and this individual gave two statements to me. One that was a little vague about claiming responsibility but praising the attack and saying anyone that demeans the prophet mohammed especially in the form of cartoons deserve what they got and doesnt matter if they are directed by jihadist groups and then an hour later, i received a more official sounding statement where this individual within al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula told me that the attac

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