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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 January 8, 2015

House in washington to washington and michelled our correspondent and how theyre responding the white house, how theyre responding to this. And to paris. Fred 5 00 a. M. In paris. Whats the latest on the manhunt and the Police Operations . The youngest of the three suspects has turned himself into police a parentally he did so after hearing his name in the media. Thats something that that we have been getting. It is unclear whether or not the police have been able to substantiate whether or not he attached, is attached to the attack that took place earlier. They have of course also put out a search warrant and, and search pictures of the two other suspects. Who are still at large. One must be delicate dealing with. They may be armed and dangerous as the videos that we have seen from the scene of the crime. Seem to suggest as well. The manhunt is very much ongoing. Concentrating on a ton that is north of paris, which is about 1 1 2 hours away from here. And at this point in time. We know that during the search that has been going on there. There have been no shots fired. The police are combing the place going through areas. And at this point in time. It appears that those two other people are at large. Don. Lets talk about the demonstrations. Understand you were at a demonstration. Thousand of parisians gathered to show solidarity. What are you hearing from the demonstrators . On the one hand, they have a very heavy heart. They say they have a heavy feeling. There was one person that came up to me. He said he wanted to tell American Television that he hasnt felt the way that he feels now. Since, september the 11th 2001. Of course he said he didnt want to equate the two events. He knew that 9 11 was so much bigger than what happened here today. It is the same very very heavy feeling that many people here do have in themselves. At the same time you could tell that there was a big mood of defiance among those people. That many of them were saying that theyre not going to allow their way of life off to beef influenced by terrorism. They kept saying freedom which is something that of course, here in france is just held very very high. On the one hand you had defiance. A very heavy heart. One thing that we didnt see. Which i thought was very important. Youve didnt see any sort of antimuslim sentiment going on at the demonstrations which were very much impromptu. Just called upon on social media, earlier today and tens of thousand of people showed up. In other places in france and indeed in other places in europe. Want to got to washington now. Of whats the white houses response . We heard several time from the president , the white house, strongly worded statements. So we know theyre on this. Theyre closely monitoring it. Maybe most importantly, offering france assistance. Heres the president. We see the type of cowardly evil attacks that took place today. Reinforces why it is important to stand in solidarity with them just as they stand in solidarity with us. President obama called the french president today offering whatever assistance france needed in this. What we are not hearing from the white house, or the president S National Security team, just yet, are details on how much the u. S. Knew about any chatter that might have been going on. In the background. Were one or more of the suspects known to u. S. Authorities for whatever reason. It is just too early right now for the white house and top officials to be weighing in on the details. Also they werent giving a lot of def tailtail on what kind of assistance the u. S. Is offering. We heard repeatedly the secretary of Homeland Security jay johns on to say, the u. S. Is doing a number of things to help france. Although we did hear from the fbi saying theyre looking through data bases to try to help french authorities gather information, look for connections and they said top Security Officials are an open and constant communication with the french don. Going to speak with the Police Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner here in new york city in a moment to talk how theyre preparing here. Of course new york always concerned. 9 11 of course. I want to know the white houses concerned about possible targ egts ets targets in the United States. They didnt bring it up. The white house dont know of any credible information or threats about any similar attacks being planned in the u. S. Or any reason specifically for americans to be concerned abut this. I think it was interesting when we heard from jay johnson, Homeland Security secretary. He said what bothers him abut this. Looking at the way the threat has evolved. Attacks, planning of the attacks is becoming complex. More involvement of lone wolves. There are affiliates. Scattered affiliates of terror groups. So what he worries about most, he said, were lone wolf attacks within the u. S. His emfa silsphasis was that the security need to remain agile to deal with this. Yet theyre concerned, don. Ive want to talk to you. You were in paris two years ago. You interviewed the Magazine Editor of Charlie Hebdo one of the journalists killed in the attacks. Tell me about the conversation . Conversation by phone. Difficult to silt down with the people during the sensitive time. They were in consultation with the police too. And he constantly had Police Security with him because of the kinds of threats he was always getting. Youve know you might expect somebody who is a fiery, supporter of what they believed in. But he was actually this very calm person. I mean look at these people. Theyre kind of of a combination of journalists and artists. When you talk to them you get a since of their belief in importance of what they were doing. Political satire. The question came up. The white house mentioned it at the time. They didnt question the right of some one to make the cartoons. But questioned the judgment. That was the question that was hanging in the air. Okay. We understand what you do. But do you really have to do it now . At that time. There were embassies, consulates under threat. Attack. Benghazi. Controversial film had come out online in the u. S. The question was why do it now. Thats the point. There isnt a time. There shouldnt be one group you should be extra sensitive around. They made fun of the pope. World leaders. Youve name it. They tackled it. And a kind of very edgy way. They didnt feel like they needed to toe the line or act differently for one particular group. They felt that was sort of unfare to everyone else. And you really got a sense of the conviction and the defiance behind what they were doing. They werent just messing around. And, when you talk to some of these people and the people on their staff. You understood that they werent just trying to you know start a fire or or get attention. Part of this french intellectual group that felt that this kind of of speech was very important. Thats something that we heard echoed from the president himself today. He said that the u. S. And france have the same values belief in the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press. Mid shem, thank you the attack on Charlie Hebdo in the heart of paris was chilling for bloodshed and also for its precision. Something we havent seen in other terror attacks. They are carried out in different ways. With various motivations. But the goal was the same from boston to kenya to pair ills. Terror. Todays attack at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine appear highly planned with trained shooters in masks wearing gloves. A calculated attack on the second floor. Where the staff were having their editorial meeting. Some experts have said it showed a high level of tactical assault capabilities. But on the otherened of end of the spectrum. Heard it aken to a bank robbery crew. This attack is far different from tear Railroad Events on soft targets like september 2013 attack, on a Shopping Mall in nairobi, kenya that left 67 people dead and 175 injured. That may speak again to the motivation of the group involved here. Rel tiflative off to what happened in kenya and mubai and places where there is no discrimination of victims whatsoever. The idea is kill as many people as the possible. Reporter the paris gunmen appear to have planned their get away not common experts say and far different than suicide bombing attacks in london. On trains buses and financial district on july 7th 2005. When you talk about logistics, planning for an operation today. More sophisticated. More far reaching than a suicide assault. Where you may have less trained individuals. Less financial support. Less sophistication. When it comes to the device itself. How do you compare and can trast that with the suicide bombing attacks that take place. A different mind set there . Absolutely a different mind set. You are going to do the act as a suicide bomber martyr as they would say, versus hey, we have the plan. Here is who is going to do it. Here is how we are going to do it. Here is our escape plan. Because we are going to live for another day. Live another day, experts say, possibly for another attack. In the march 2004 bombings of commuter trains in spain, the wech weapons of choice ten bombs in backpacks and small bags on four commuter trains. In several different stations. Able to kill many more. 191 dead from at take. And 1800 wounded. Bument here though you, you had a very targeted going after that building. The individuals involved. With the, the satirical magazine. So it could point to where they really wanted to send a message if you are going to do these kind of things that insalt our religion as we know it. Then we are coming after you. Reporter a highly personal way of carrying out terror. One designed experts say to deter freedom of expression and leave a longer Lasting Legacy of fear. Jeanne appreciate that. Its radical islam to blame for what happened in paris . Republican senator Lindsay Graham of South Carolina says yes. I am joined by a Senior Editor of the islamic monthly and founder of the muslim guy. Com. Appreciate youve you being here tonight. What is your reaction to what happened . I think like millions and billions we were shocked, horrified to see what happened at the offices of Charlie Hebdo in paris. It is something that is against any norm tiffativnormative. A crime against humanity and act of mass murder. Do you have any problems with the cartoons . Not at all. If you surveyed vast majority of muslims around the world. They would say the killing of innocent civilians is not only murder but against any normative mainstream teachings of islam. Off awe what you are saying is very close to to what care is saying care is americas largest muslim Civil Liberties advocacy organization. I want to read to you. Put out a statement tonight. Denouncing the, the attack in paris. And they said there is absolutely no justification in islam for this kind of heinous massacre targeting innocent people. Islam is a religion pro most tolerance, emphasizes freedom of speech and encourages moderate middle path. Goes on to talk about they should be, swift low toly to justice. Their word and what you are saying though. Not always a reality of what many people think about islam . Yeah. But you know don, it is imprnlt to not conflight, the actions of a very few off to of a population of 1. 7 billion people which represents 20 of the worlds population. If people want to blame islam for things. Blame us for inventing algebra, or anesthesia or 5 of 12 Nobel Peace Prize winners. Its important. To to call out the fact that when christians commit acts of terror we dont ask priests and pastors to go on National Television and condemn these acts. Sadly, muslim public intellectuals think leaders and scholars have that double standard that we have off to deal with. It is important to get the message out that muslims are not only as opposed to terrorism, bun of the victims today actually the Police Officer, 42yearold man gunned down on the sidewalk was a muslim. Man times muslims are the victims of the terrorist attacks. Listen. You are saying that islam ties blame . Radical islam is to blame . It is important to keep in mind. That bringing religion into it at all. Is actually serving the purposes of the terrorists. Prophet Muhammad Said extremists should be considered the dogs of hell and enemies of islam. He was attacked and defamed many times during his life. There was not one time where he told people to take retribution for that. It is important to keep in mind these are irreligious criminals committing acts of mass murder. To conflightate this to siftization around 1400 years and created algebra, modern medicine is reductive and simplistic at best. I have to ask you, a lot of vif lent extremists use religion to justify their actions. Newsweek found back in august 16 of french citizens support isis. Would you describe those who support isis as islamic extremists . They obviously. They obviously have sympathies for that ideology. Ive dont think that would mean they would justify the killing of innocent civilians or murdering people on the streets. Again you know there has been no religion in the history of the world, don, immune from act of religious terrorism. Nine you sadz. 30 years war. We have the ku klux klan in america. A christianist organization. You know . And in norway a couple years ago. Remember, the murder of 77 kids on the island and tried to assassinate the president of norway and left behind a 1500 page treatise calling himself a soldier of christianity. We didnt expect every lead tire go on National Television and condemn him. We knew he was a lunatic. There is a double standard in place when a muslim commits an act of murder. Pin the takeoint taken. Again. In august 16 of french citizens support isis. Can you describe those who support isis as islamic extremists. Do you support isis . Did you ask if i support isis . I said obviously the 16 of people support the ideology. Again i dont think that would necessarily extrapolate to to supporting of killing innocent people. You can have sympathy for an ideology and not, not, you know support the mass murder of people. And thats what the vast majority of the muslims, whether you are dealing with paris or islamabad, or jakarta, as horrified as everybody else about what happened today. We grieve with the victims and with the people of paris. So our reporter there said people took to the streets. And we saw them. In paris. He said he didnt see much antimuslim or antiislam demonstrators there. Or talk of it. Do you worry about antimuslim protests in the days to come. Really interesting, don. In the last few week germany has seen close to 20,000 people showing up at antimuslim rallies. We see the rise of far right nationalistic, xenophobic Political Parties like the party in france or holland and other neapothat ze parties. There is far right political extremist groups that are using this as as a talking point. Do you worry about it . Shufr i do. I think it is important to keep in mind. European societies are wonderful free societies welcoming to people of all different background. Common sense will ultimately prevail. Thank you for coming on. Proosh it. Appreciate it. Much more to come on the manhunt in france where two remaining suspects in the tear railroad attack in the heart of paris. Were there warning signs . Was this failure of intelligence . Well get some answers when we come back. Sir, were loaded and getting ready to go. Were going to need you on the runway. vo dont let a severe cold hold you back. Sir . vo theraflu starts to get to work in your body in just 5 minutes. vo theraflu breaks you free from your worst cold and flu symptoms. vo theraflu. Serious power. Discover card. Hey so im looking at my bill and my fico® Credit Scores on here. We give you your fico® score each month for free awesomesauce wow the only person i know that says that is. Lisa . Julie . at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and see your fico® credit score. One of the suspects on the attack of Charlie Hebdo magazine known to Law Enforcement. The fbi and u. S. In telltelligence agencies are looking at post on social media and communications. Were warning signs missed. Joining me tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director. John us via skype. Also juliet cayenne, National Security analyst for cnn. Tom, every time an attack happens. We ask, is this an intelligence failure . Were there Credible Threats . Are either questions fair to ask . Given the current climate . Well theyre fair to ask. Every time it seems like we have somebody that has been on a list. The problem is we have 1 Million People on these lists. And a few thousand agents and Police Officers that can beaddressing it. True in the united kingdom, france any major country in the word. Theyre going to have 10 to 100 times more people to be worried about than they can possibly track on a daily basis. Juliet earlier today, senator Lindsay Graham told dana bash people need to be can serndcan concerned. That theyre soft targets. Was today a pointed mass attack on certain people. A game changer . Yes, i mean this wasnt a fascination. This was targeted individuals for what they had done. An assassination that causes terror amongst a community. Because, and, not just parisians, journalists, columnists. The terrorists want to kill the messenger. They did so today in a very public fashion. And the challenge is what we, love about the media, it is essentially open. A soft target. You cannot fortify every newspaper, every journalist every cartoonist. They will all wiz be soft targets. Because thats the nature of what they do. They get in there. Meet with the community. And they they report on it. They make fun of it. They they commentate on it. So it is it is scary for j

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