Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20140816 : comparem

Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20140816

Responding to the robbery call when he shot Michael Brown, that as you might imagine set off anger in the community. People calling it victim blaming. Character assassination and a distraction from the central question, did officer wilson shoot an unarmed man who had his hands up in surrenderer. The alleged robbery had nothing to do with the officers decision to shoot and then in a true bombshell late in the day, chief jackson changed his story. There were two separate officers. This robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown. The initial contact between the officer and mr. Brown was not related to the robbery. Why did he stop Michael Brown . Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it. Officer wilson, he said was not aware that a robbery had taken place or Michael Brown was suspected of it or suspected of anything. Then just a while later, he changed the story genitaling don l again telling done lemon he didnt know he was the suspect until he seen cigars in his hand. Doran johnson, a busy night for us. Don lemon in ferguson talking to a lot of people there. Don, last night the demonstrations were very peaceful. They appeared almost celebrating. What is the mood like right now . Reporter its peaceful. Its a different mood, though. Its not quite celebrating. People are protesting because they feel the need to even more because they are thinking that police here by releasing the name of the officer and also releasing that videotape in the Convenience Store, they are trying to bring down Michael Browns reputation, bringing this up to a diverse of the real issue and that they believe is a confrontation and the killing of Michael Brown. It is a different mood because last night, wolf, it was warm. It wasnt raining. Tonight sit raining. So it put a damper on the protests a little bit. People have come under the over hang where people get gas and assembled here. Some people are still assembled on the street and waiting for the rain to pass. Again, they are thinking that the officers are trying to discredit Michael Browns story, and thats what they are concerned about. They want the real issue, the real focus to remain on the shooting on the killing, on that street, not far from here, wolf. You and i have been speaking all day, don. Describe the reaction of the folks there in ferguson to the release of that Convenience Store footage. It was almost like, i hate to give a sports analogy. It was almost like you were upset because something awful happens in an event that youre watching and as they were watching television this morning and they heard the news, everyone sort of let out this sigh like oh, man, why at this point . We go again. Here we go. We cant trust the police. The police trumped up charges so to speak. The police have come up with another story, another excuse to try to put the blame on the victim, and then shortly after that, wolf, as you and i know, the family of Michael Brown released a statement saying the same thing calling it victim blaming and saying its further reason, another reason not to trust the police here. Many people, wolf, dont believe that it is Michael Brown on that video in the Convenience Store. They still dont believe it. Even though the family lawyers, Michael Browns family lawyers, they have acre knowledge that is in fact Michael Brown inside that Convenience Store . Reporter they still dont believe it even though the lawyers listen, i spoke to one of the relatives tonight, a cousin of Michael Brown who said, you know, he all but admitted yes, it is him. He said when youre 18 years old, how many silly things did you do but didnt deserve to die . The family admitting it. The lawyers admitting it, and also, Dorian Johnson who was with Michael Brown, his attorney admitting it. He spoke to the fbi, told the fbi that it was him in the Convenience Store. The people here still dont believe it. There is a big commotion going on and that is Jesse Jackson is here, so people are excited that Jesse Jackson is here and i guess they feel like there is more of a show of strength of someone who is of some authority. So the crowd is following the reverend Jesse Jackson around this quick trip as he makes his way through the crowd. But yeah, they still dont believe it. They believe some video may have been photo shopped, even though there is an admission by the family, by the attorneys and even by the man who was with Michael Brown on the day he died. Well have you stand by, don, because well check back with you throughout this hour, don lemon is on the scene for us in ferguson, missouri. I want to drill down now a little more on the Convenience Store tape thats generating so much controversy. 360s randi kaye has this. Reporter a Convenience Store saturday morning, what police call a strongarmed robbery. They say thats Michael Brown entering the store, white tshirt, long tan shorts and a red cardinals baseball hat. His friend Dorian Johnson behind him. Its 11 52 a. M. The camera shows four seconds later, brown is at the counter. Watch closely, see this store employee in the red shirt . Apparently coming from the restroom. She goes behind the counter. Just 12 seconds later, police say brown reaches for a box of swisher sweet cigars and hands them to johnson without paying for them. What happens next is a bit on cured by a display case but watch closely here. Police say there is some sort of confrontation involving brown, a struggle. Police say brown grabbed more cigars. He had been in the store now just 32 seconds. Seventh seconds later, browns friend johnson puts the box of cigars brown handed him back on the counter returning them, but police say brown just seconds later bends down to pick up some cigars he dropped, even looks a customer in the eye and makes his way to the door. At the door, about ten seconds later, a store employee who appears to have a set of keys in his hand attempts to put himself between the man believed to be brown and the exit door. Still holding the cigars in his right hand, the man police say is brown grabs the clerk with his left hand and clearly shoves him back into a display rack. It all might have ended there, but take a look at what happens next. Just about one minute into this. Police say instead of leaving right away, brown turns back one final time, advancing on the store employee who tried to stop him towering over him, police say it was an attempt to intimidate the employee who quickly backs down. Only then does brown turn and exit at 11 54 a. M. Hes in and out of the store in one minute and two seconds, about ten minutes later, hes dead. Randi kaye, cnn new york. A lot to talk about. Joining us now, your black world. Com, Boyce Williams and marc lamont hill. Boyce, we got a lot from police today but youre not satisfied with the flow of information. They should have been more up front what they could release and when, explain. Yeah, i think we have to ask them what took you so long . Why did it take this long to put together a story that youre not even sure about that keeps changing over and over again . It only adds to the mistrust that people have, not just for Ferguson Police but really nationally for Police Deputies across the country because people arent just protesting what happened to Michael Brown or what Ferguson Police did. They are really protesting the consistent disrespect, lack of regard, consistent misinformation that often comes from police because when you have situations where there are no witnesses and cell phones and nothing to capture what officers ar arie doing, some officers think they can operate above the law. If he stole these cigars, should he have been executed on the street . Danny, you think this was a fairly Quick Release of information, that its unlikely the police were trying to be strategic in the timing, is that your thought . Well, look, wolf, clearly im bias. Im a criminal defense attorney so i feel like ive spending a lot of time asking and not Getting Police records. Two weeks doesnt seem shocking when many of us fought for records for over a year, but in a case like this, we shouldnt be so quick to think this a conspira conspiracy, rather maybe a Police Department thats not equipped to deal with this level of attention. I have to caution everyone, yesterday we had no information and we complained. Today, now, were complaining that we dont like the way the information was released. No matter what we have to agree that having the information today where at least in a better position than yesterday when we had nothing and although people might have wanted it on day two or three, the reality is is that in an investigation, marshalling this evidence is not an overnight process. Lets not forget the incident took place, the killing took place on saturday and now its now friday. Mark, you say none of the facts that came to light today explain why this young man, eye witnesses said he had his hands up in the air was shot to death. And thats what i find confusing, and i would probably disagree a little bit. It certainly takes days to get certain types of information out. They want to make sure their ducks are in a row but doesnt take six days to release the officers name. When they release the officers name, they release this tape and information, which, i think becomes a hand trick which diverts our attention away from what we should be talking about, how and why Michael Brown was shot dead on the street with his hands in the air, unarmed, a Police Officer armed. Thats the question here. Whether or not he shoplifted cigars a few hours prior has nothing to do with it. Even if hes guilty of that, its a killing and stealing cigars isnt a capital offense. You say criminalization of the victim, right, mark . Indeed. Its a pattern that we see over and over and over again. With Trayvon Martin, they told us he smoked marijuana and was suspended from school. With rodney king they told us he was a drug addict and violent gang banger and mcbride, they said she was drunk and trying to break into someones home. None of the bad habits were connected to the killing that occurred and thats what we need to be focused on, the killer not the victim. Boyce, youve been monitoring the reaction in the African American community beyond ferguson and missouri. How are people feeling based on what youre seeing and hearing . I think people are frustrated. I think they will be frustrated after this is over because we have to remember, there is a Michael Brown in every city. I am in chicago. We have at least probably a couple hundred Michael Browns this year. There are cities across the country where the police operate in ways that are just as sinister as what we see in ferguson and personally, ive reminded people thats really what were protesting. It goes deeper than one person or one incident. We cant believe cleaning up what is happening in ferguson, will fix the problem across america, there is a consistent disrespect of american citizens by Police Officers and also, when it comes to the life of a black male in america, there is nothing valued less than the life of that young man and in fact, in many situations where black males are victims is very easy to paint that individual as someone who was about to commit some horrible sinister act and people buy into that and thats why so many young men die. There is two separate investigations underway in st. Louis county investigation. Are you confident when all the investigations are complete we will know exactly what happened . I cant possibly be confident about that at this point, wolf, but weve got a lot more information than we did before and i have to believe once we get the officers statement, which we really havent heard from him, once we get that side of the story, this entire case boils down, based on what weve heard today and what a swing of events back and forth today, everything comes down to what was in that officers heart and mind at the moment that he stopped Michael Brown because if he was aware of the robbery on any level, it is different than if he was just stopping them for jaywalking. I have to add, we need to stop using the word shoplifting. It seems from the video that this was a theft plus force, which under the law is a robbery and in missouri thats a class b felony. If the officers was aware of a Violent Crime like that, that does change the legal contours but we dont know what he knew and when he knew it yet. I believe, wolf, though, that we will soon. We know hes been interviewed twice, the Police Officer who killed this 18yearold. All right, guys, thanks very much. Well continue our conversati s conversations. Michael browns family angrily denounced the release of the video calling it character victimization. Well speak to an attorney next. [male vo] inside this bag is 150 years of swedish experience in perfecting the rich, never bitter taste of gevalia. We do it all for this very experience. [woman] thats good. I know right . Gevalia. Amam rich. My Social Circle includes captains of industry, former secretaries of state, oil tycoons, and ambassadors of countries known for their fine cheeses. Yes i am rich. Thats why i drink the champagne of beers. Where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road . A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. 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You have to think their son has been murdered, and they decide on the day to release the name of the person, they strategically decide they want to now also show you some other information, still photos that have nothing to do with when he was murdered, and so you have to be skeptical of that. Well, when we saw those pictures, it left more questions than answers. Reporter youre not denying that is Michael Brown on the video. Certainly its his likeness, of course. Reporter what is it about seeing the actions on video and what police said . You clearly see him taking something. What is your reaction to that. Its not the picture painted of Michael Brown as a gentle giant. Hes pushing a store clerk. No, i think you have to agree, though, what you thought you saw in the still pictures is not what you ultimately say when you saw the video. Its not like he beat someone up. He pushed somebody, yes, he did. The key in this case is the fact that this officer came and according to all the witnesses came and shot him execution style in the head. Reporter yeah, you believe what happened in the Convenience Store has nothing to do with what happen add couple blocks from here where he lost his life and well get to that. I want to stick to the videotape quickly. Did the family know this videotape would be released, that this incident happened before today . I think it became clear the chief was going to do it. I dont know what he intended to do but what he did at the first press conference. Reporter you say this is character assassination like the Trayvon Martin case. Certainly. Reporter and the George Zimmerman trial. Think about it. Why else is this video important for what happened last saturday when this kid was shot and killed execution style. Why would you release that other than to demonize him . Why wouldnt you Say Something about the shooter . Its the shooters intent that will be the key for both investigations going on in this case. Reporter so the videotape released today, many people even though youre saying it is his likeness, other family members of the Dorian Johnson, say it was him, some dont believe it. Does the speak to the mistrust of the authorities figure and the Police Department here . The mistrust is the fact they give it to us on friday, don. They had all w

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