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"ac 360" starts now. jake, thanks. good evening everyone. breaking news, somebody may have the makings of a radio active bomb. the cobalt 60 have been found but there is no accounts the content has been accounted for. the last time this stuff got loose, people got sicked and died. first, a mess that is affecting millions tonight, a winter storm is starting to haerm the country's midsection as ugly as it's getting, what makes it worse is how quickly and drastically this got going. a day ago spring-like in the mountains midwest and it was 80 in dallas and it will be 40 degrees colder in dallas and below zero in deeper places. to chad myers who is monitoring the winter whiplash. >> we talk about cold weather in january and february, but not this early in december. this is middle winter-type weather and we're in the fall. 80 in dallas today, 8 in denver and that cold air is coming down into oklahoma city, into idaho. look at these temperatures from 9 in denver today to 80 in dallas love field. the cold air is sinking out of canada and will go to the gulf coast and stop. the problem is the gulf coast says wait a minute, it's still fall, i want to be warm and sends up moisture, tries to send up humidity over the top of the cold air. so we'll get an ice storm through the central part of the plains where it's going to be 30 and raining. why not snow? it will be 50 degrees aloft or 50 degrees up in the sky. it's going to rain but it's going to rain where it's 30, 31, 2, a little snow in oklahoma city. i don't believe this is a snow maker. this is an ice machine for memphis, little rock, evansville, some snow, but the big story is this ice sticking to everything, trees, power lines, millions of people will be without power before this thing finally stops. now when it gets to new york and into the east coast it runs out of moisture. so that's some good news. we won't put down power lines but the central part of the country is in for it for the next few days. this will get ugly and fast. people will be stuck at work. kids will be stuck at school if we don't watch how quickly it comes on us. by tomorrow night it will be an ice rink in dallas, little rock and a little snow to the north of there. >> so more storms behind this? >> there are. there is another storm that could affect parts of washington d.c. for the -- i would say, sunday night kind of arena. here is the deal. the warm air is in police. it's been in place in dallas. so the warm air will be in place in d.c., too. the cold air under cuts the warm air and it tries to rain through. if you're on this part of the storm, you get freezing rain and sleet. it's the stuff that comes down and freezes on the ground. it just covers everything up. if you're little farther where the air is thicker cold, it will come down as an ice pellet. you'll hear that hit the window or you and farther to the north there, that will be snow not for a long time but can you imagine 5 or 6 degrees and icy conditions in dallas? it's been almost a year since the sandy hook shootings. 911 recordings have been public. ordinary people doing their best to save lives in the middle of the worst situation anyone can imagine. this net work is careful about playing portions. debra has listened to them all and joins us. what stands out? >> how police dispatchers responded to this. they were very professional. their training really kicked in. the main dispatcher notified his supervisor immediately, a sergeant and had all police officers respond. in his words, he said get everybody you can going down there. he's able to make contact with somebody in the school and asks about the situation. the lockdown, the learning of the school in lockdown. also, that people are who he calls defending in police. he had a colleague notify the connecticut state police. so this is happening very, very quickly but within a matter of seconds, he was able to asses the situation and get the different parts moving to try to save as many people in that building as he possibly could. >> one call is made by the custodian. >> yeah, and it was fascinating to listen. this man called a hero at the time became the eyes and ears of the dispatcher. he was in a different part of the school building, away from the children and away from the gunman but able to tell the dispatcher what he was hearing when shots were being fired, when there was complete silence. he was able to show the dispatcher what he was seeing, the fact people were passing through the windows, so the dispatcher could understand that those were some of the responding officers and anderson, at one point he makes contact with the responding officers who confront him and the dispatcher says tell them you're the custodian. he says i'm the custodian and the dispatcher was able to relay information to the responding officers, including the fact the connecticut state police were on the way and also, the fact that there were indeed victims. it happened quickly. those calls show a certain -- >> got it. >> a certain fear urgency but a level of calm to do what had to be done to save those kids. >> appreciate the update. there is no easy answer to the question whether to play all, some or none of the recordings. none of this is easy for news organizations. it's something worth talking about with three media professionals and parents. this is obviously a difficult decision news companies around the country have been wrestling with this all day. where do you come down on it? >> i think they should certainly be released and available to the news media to make a news judgment about whether we should play them or not. >> right, i agree with that. >> where i agree with your decision is i didn't hear anything in the tapes that really advanced the story a great deal, certainly the 911 operators behaved very professionally. the custodian was certainly a very responsible person record porting it. there is really nothing in the story that changes our understanding of what happened and so i just didn't really see the news value in them. >> christiane? >> i agree. i heard a few of them and seen written reports of a few of them. it appears the police reacted fast and were on the scene within four minutes. the news value issue has been laid to rest, it's not massively news worthy but beyond that it's a matter of taste, anderson. i think we're grappling with something we could play. let's be very clear, we may end up being accused of hypocrisy because we play 911 tapes at the drop of a hat on other issues. >> this is 2013. these tapes are all over the internet. if people want to hear them, they can hear them. so it's not like we're denying the pub di public on them -- >> dr. drew? >> the families should not listen to them, the families can be terrifying. they asked us as media not to go into new town on the anniversary. we should find ways to be respectful but keep the story top of mind. we must keep telling and stepping and this is not the first thing this happened in the last couple years. it caused us to cross into a zone i never imagined this country would get into and as a result, we must continue to eliminate every aspect of the story because the fact is nothing changed since this happened and that's where obligations lie. >> part of my thinking on this and my sort of, i think, as staff our discussion is there is this conspiracy -- there are these conspiracy people out there who don't believe this happened. >> yeah. >> which is so absurd and, you know, these tapes are yet, obviously -- but even trying to convince these people. >> it's so absurd. look at the conspiracy theories around 9/11, who did it -- >> that's where i came down trying to convince these people it's ridiculous. >> but it's worth remembering now that yes, indeed. the 9/11 911 tapes were played in 2006. the city fought the release of the tapes and new york is not legally bound to make them public, and when they did release them, they scrubbed them heavily. you didn't hear the voices of those who perished. >> the new town tapes, it's not so much -- you're not hearing anything horrific on the tapes, but it's the knowledge of what is occurring in the listener's mind that makes them chilling. >> absolutely. compared to some 911 tapes we've heard and played on the air, they are not as horrific as -- i mean, there is certainly no one who has died whose voice is on the tape. you can't hear any children in the background. so it's not that the tapes are so antiinflammatory or horrible in and of themselves but they are representative of an event that, you know, is probably the worst american public crime that -- since 9/11. >> yeah, i mean, some of them are pretty desperate and it is hard to listen to, and i only listed to very few of them trying to make, you know, judgment whether to use them. i think when people hear them, if they do, they will be very, very upset. you know some local stations in connecticut will not be airing them. other networks are taking their own decisions, i guess, many won't be. it is really important, i think, as dr. drew said, as well, this will bring up a whole new set of emotions and maybe, maybe i'm a little conflicted, maybe it should bring up a set of emotions, something to change on this issue. >> absolutely, respectfully, to automatic of us, the public is really not that concerned with the nuance of journal taste making but the story and never letting this happen again and forgetting it. and why aren't we moving forward? that's where we should put our energy. why can't we take this story and make change? >> that's true and one of my reasons if we ever did air them would be, and maybe this is not journalism cool to say but once again, put this in the public to see whether it change os pinions, there were lots of promises made. i know you were right. you said nothing would change and you were right but that's an appalling way to be right. >> i disagree with drew a little bit. i'm not sure it's our job -- >> i agree. >> to push change, to say -- >> it's not about pushing change. >> to say we want laws to go one way or the other -- >> i feel like it's my job. >> that's right. >> i feel like i see something very wrong here from my prospective mental health providers and physicians can't intervene effectively. that's why a lot of these things happened. there needs to be a procedure put in place that protects people and allows people that know the difference to do their job. >> i just want to give you an example from a completely different set of facts covering bosnia and horrors in the field. i used to be infuriated when editors would say that such and such piece of video cannot be played because it's just too grew some. i say, hang on a second, that's the reality. by selling stories, it did in the end change the reality and changed the action and intervention and we moved the story along. so i'm very deeply conflicted about this. for me, genuinely it's a matter of taste and respecting the families one year on. >> but also, i think to jeffrey's point, about you can make the argument that you don't necessarily want to hear them, and that a program doesn't necessarily want to play them, and is not going to play them but there is the right to have them be released. >> yes. >> because you don't want the government to hold on these things in the future try to hide incompetence or hide whatever it may be. >> that's an important principle and i thought it was wrong the connecticut's states attorney on behalf of the family fought the release and the judge who decided the case i thought did exactly the right thing. >> you understand why the families would fight the release -- >> the family is fine but government officials should honor the law and i do think by in large the news media is handling the issue responsibly and it shouldn't be up to the government to pick and choose what it discloses. it should be up to journalist to decide what to put on the air -- >> whether -- >> we have many platforms, these things will probably be put online where people can go and listen if they like but where the families are not forced to be, you know, traumatized at this time with this and maybe in a few years, like the 9/11 tapes, they might be put on the air and listen to them. >> it's a devote discussion. good to have you on. thanks. let us know what you think about the decision, follow me on anderson twitter. authorities found a stolen truck hauling a radio active substance that can be used to make a dirty bomb. it's unclear if all material is recovered. in case you thought being a crack-smoking mayor was news enough, there is more to rob ford. wiretap information appear violent ties to a violent drug game, blackmail against the mayor and more. ist something as you'll see in just a moment. t something as yo just a moment. 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>> anderson, this information coming from the director of the mexico's national committee for nuclear security. he says the truck that was stolen on monday was found just north of mexico city. the container which contained the cobalt 60 was not on the truck when found but the container was found about a half mile away. key piece of information, the container according to this gentleman from the mexican nuclear agency had cobalt 60 inside of it but not clear if officials have been able to recover all of the cobalt 60 inside. the container was found opened and cobalt 60 was found inside but it is not clear if all of the cobalt 60 has been recovered. we believe they are still working on that information, still working the area, anderson, where radiation, you know, has been detected we're told and special teams have been sent in to examine the area. >> do you know why there was cobalt 60 in the truck and i understand the truck was randomly targeted or do we know that? >> we do not know. u.s. officials say it's not clear if they knew cobalt 60 was inside. the reason it was intercepted where it was, was because it was being transported from a hospital to this mexican nuclear agency for some kind of disposal, and the driver of the truck and his assistant, stopped to take a rest, and this was early monday morning when this was stolen. so they have been looking for this truck for nearly three days, anderson, and that was a real concern. >> appreciate it. so it's not clear if the people who seemed to have stolen the truck knew what they had in cargo. we'll talk more about what the potential use of this is with bob bear a former cia officer. it's unclear if all the materials have been recovered. if someone with ill intent got their hands on this, what would it mean? how difficult is it to use this stuff, make a kind of a bomb? >> well, the difficult part to mail it to disburse it. it has to be milled. once you get through that you put on pneumonia nitrate and set it out in downtown los angeles, you could close los angeles for two years while cleaned up. the casualty rates are difficult to measure, but the first 24 hours before 500 people and beyond that 20 times that after that. >> how well equipped are authorities in cities in the united states, for instance, to handle a situation like this, a scenario like this? we've seen hazmat teams go through training, but does it -- i mean, are we ready for this kind of a thing? >> oh, i think we are, but it's the problem of the mexican boarder, you can get this stuff across through tunnels, if someone was well-organized and as far as making home made explosives it's easy to do. there isn't much we can do about it. with the chaos in mexico and the ability to grab this stuff is what scars people and it rightly should. they are doing the best they can. you know, the boarder crossings are monitored but again, the tunnels are not. >> after 9/11, obviously, the united states instituted stricter rules about protecting dangerous isotopes like this but in terms of regulating them, that is a major problem i would imagine. >> anderson, you're right. it's much harder to do in mexico and with the cartel's ability to get at the sources of this, steal it, you know, give it to al-qae al-qaeda, it's wide open and scars people and for a good reason. >> obviously, you know, you sort of talked about how it's made into a dirty bomb. that's information available on the internet, so it's not as if you're telling some secret that you shouldn't be saying? >> no, i mean -- no, absolutely. people know this. the dirty bombs, the fear of it has been around for a long time. it's all over the internet. like most of these things are, and these people know how to do this. >> bob, we'll continue to follow this. the bottom line is we do not know if all of the cobalt 60 was still in the containcontainer. authorities looking into that. it's something we've been trying to ascertain in the last 20 minutes or so we've been on the air. coming up next, a new revelation about toronto's crack-smoking amarmayor rob ford a blackmail scheme and all and all they are just kind of stunning. we'll show you some of the transcripts. also tonight, solving the mystery, why all those whales are standing themselves down in florida. an effort to rescue as many as can be saved. fishing rod casti, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. 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