sandusky until just this week. as the trial was going on, he apparently approached prosecutors and told them that his adopted father did molest him. jason carroll, cnn contributor and sarah gannon. jason, if matt sandusky's claims was known by the prosecution, why didn't they call him to testify? >> well, i think it's a good question. i think there's a question in terms of whether or not his testimony would have been admissible, for one reason, jerry sandusky is not charged with sexually abusing his son. i can tell you this. think of this scenario. let's say for example jerry sandusky had taken the witness stand and it said during his testimony i'm a great father, i have a great relationship with my children. that, then, would have opened the door for the prosecution to call a rebuttal witness and my sources told me, if jerry sandusky had taken the stand, they were prepared to put matt sandusky on the stand as a rebuttal witness and my source tells me that his testimony would have been, quote, very, very damaging. also let me backtrack a little bit. when the trial began on day one, i saw matt sandusky sitting there on the side lines with the rest of the sandusky family. so what happened between then when the trial happened and today when we get this statement from his private attorney who basically said matt sandusky contacted this private attorney and said i wanted you to reach out to prosecutors and tell them quote to disclose for the first time in this case that he is a victim of jerry sandusky's abuse. . anderson? >> sara, matt sandusky's wife had petitioned the court to not allow their kids to sleep over jerry sandusky's house. this was a long time ago, correct? >> that's right. and probably even more importantly, his mother, as far back as 1996, has been asking the courts to take a deeper look into the relationship between matt and jerry sandusky. when he was in foster care at the sandusky home she had seen behavior that she would describe to the grand jury as strange, stalking-like behavior. she described one time where matt fled from the sandusky's home in the middle of a rain storm in the middle of the night and didn't want to go back, even after jerry showed up at a relative's house where matt was hiding out. so she described all of these things, but matt sandusky himself got before the grand jury and we don't know exactly what he testified to. but joe amendola told me at the time it was nothing that they were worried about. they expected him to be a positive witness for jerry sandusky and they felt his biological mom was just angry at sandusky and was making these allegations. >> and his biological mom had also testified in front of that same grand jury recently, correct? >> right. she testified about a year ago. and that's what she said. you know, that she witnessed this stalking-like behavior, that she witnessed him flee in the middle of a rainstorm, and that she confronted her son before he was adopted and asked him if anything strange was going on, and he said nothing except i don't want to talk about it. >> and jason, the accuser number four who testified, actually mentioned matt sandusky during his testimony. what did he say about him? >> he did. he was the first witness to testify on day one of the trial. he said he was about 13 years old. he had taken a shower with jerry sandusky at penn state. it was one of those soap battles that we heard so much about. and that's when he said he came into contact with matt sandusky. he said, quote, he as in jerry sandusky started pumping his hand full of soap like he was going to throw it. matt got out, he went to another shower. and then the prosecutor says can you describe how matt looked? number four's answer was nervous. and i think the implication was very clear there, anderson? >> jason and sarah, stick around. i want to bring in the panel. mark, what do you make of this? do you find the timing of it suspicious at all and does it make sense to you why they would not have mentioned this during the trial? >> well, obviously i think the timing is incredibly suspicious. they wait until the jury is out, the day the jury gets out and al of a sudden there is a press release basically, for lack of a better term, that's exactly what it was, and clearly they have this person who is under oath already in front of a grand jury, who's been presumably given statements to the police, who do you think orchestrated this in order to have it come out on the day the jury goes out to deliberate? i find it suspicious. and i also don't know that this judge would have ever let him testify in their case in chief. maybe as rebuttal as if sandusky had taken the stand, but not in their case in chief. >> but you're saying why would it be released the day the jury went out if they wanted to impact the trial somehow, are you saying it could somehow filter into the jury? >> if you believe for a second that jurors don't hear everything that's going on, even when they're sequestered, i've got a bridge to sell you in arizona. this, it would get into the ether. they would know it immediately. look at every jury that's ever been sequestered. they know exactly what's going on around them. it leaks in no matter where you keep them. sequestration rarely if ever works. >> sunny, couldn't they have brought in his testimony. though dottie sandusky took the stand. couldn't they have asked her questions about what kind of father he was and if she said he was a great father and brought in matt if they wanted to to rebut the that. >> i think that's possible but we're not clear on the timeline here, anderson, because we know that matt sandusky did speak to the prosecution, perhaps after the prosecution had already rested its case in chief and in contemplation of jerry sandusky taking the witness stand. so timing is very, very important here. and let's remember, by all accounts, it was very difficult for matt sandusky to admit that this sex abuse even happened. and that's very common with victims of child sex abuse. there's sort of that shame and that secrecy that goes hand in hand with this kind of abuse. so i'm not surprised that he is just coming forward and i agree with mark that certainly he would not have been able to testify in his case in chief because jerry sandusky wasn't charged with these crimes. but as as rebuttal witness, if jerry sandusky got on the stand proclaimed his innocence and talked about his relationship with his children, i think that would've opened up the door to what would have been bombshell evidence. i disagree with mark, i think that juries are sequestered from information, i think we do it in courtrooms every single day in our country and i think it works very well and i don't think this was a planned thing to infiltrate the jury room. >> sunny, i've got that ache acreage in arizona for you. >> another alleged victim who says that sandusky tried to adopt him while he was in high school. i want to listen to part of that. >> i tried to get him off me and resisting him and he kind of pinned me down on the bed. and i told him if he didn't get off me i was going to call the police on him. and he just laughed at me and, you know, forced me to stay on the bed. and told me if i ever said anything that nobody was going to believe me and he would get my dad fired from penn state. >> now, this accuser is part of a civil suit against sandusky, but not part of this criminal trial. what do you make of that, mark? i mean, legally could this person press criminal charges against sandusky if the trial is over? >> no. hardly. i don't think it would get anywhere. there's a principle in the law if they knew about it beforehand, you can't dribble it out like a water torture on somebody and serially prosecute them. and before you said he was part of a civil lawsuit, i was going to predict that he was part of a civil lawsuit. unfortunately, in cases like this, even when there are legitimate victims, there's always these looky lous or me toos that jump on the train. >> we're going to leave there. sunny, mark, stay with us. we're going to come back to you later on. a tape of george zimmerman reenacting the night he shot and killed trayvon martin. we're going to show it to you and curious to know if it changes the way you view this case. either way, we're on facebook, follow me on twitter. in politics tonight, mitt romney campaigned on a hard line in immigration and now he's trying to win the latino vote. we charge everything else... maybe it's time to recharge the human battery. only the beautyrest recharge sleep system combines the comfort of aircool memory foam layered on top of beautyrest pocketed coils to promote proper sleeping posture all night long. the revolutionary recharge sleep system from beautyrest... it's you, fully charged. get a free set of sheets when you buy a select beautyrest mattress. hurry, offer ends soon. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] you've been years in the making. and there are many years ahead. join the millions of members who've chosen an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. go long. 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>> let's step book and look at the issue. >> what would you do about it? >> he was president for the last 3 1/2 years, did nothing on immigration. >> would you repeal this? >> it would be overtaken by events. by virtue of my putting into place a long-term solution with legislation that creates law that relates to these individuals such as they know what their setting is going to be. not on the term of a president but on a permanent basis. >> would you leave this in place while you worked out a long-term solution or would you just repeal it? >> we'll look at that setting as we reach that. but my anticipation is i'd come into office and say, we need to get this done on a long-term basis. not this kind of a stop-gap measure. >> that's four times bob schieffer asked the question in different ways. that was taped on saturday. he didn't answer the question then. so, was he any more specific today? well, take a look. >> some people have asked if i will let stand the president's executive order. the answer is that i will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president's temporary measure. as president, i won't settle for stop-gap measures. i'll work with republicans and democrats to build a long-term solution. >> basically the same answer he gave to bob schieffer. joining us now is cnn contributor. national hispanic chairwoman anna navarro. also, los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa. a lot of people expected romney today to say what he would do specifically. but he didn't say. he basically repeated exactly what he said to bob schieffer. >> well, you know, what he said was he was going to replace it with a permanent solution. what i hope that means -- >> right, because that's what he said on saturday. >> -- deportations that -- that's what he said on saturday. i think that's what we're going to continue to hear him say. he's not saying he's going to repeal it. he's saying he's going -- >> right, but he's not answering. >> -- responsible long-term solution. if we took issue with all the politicians who don't specifically answer questions i think they'd be very few left in congress and anywhere in america. you know, this is, i think, a very different mitt romney than what we heard. i have been very critical of him in the primary. think the mitt romney i heard today is much more nuanced. has a much more moderate tone. more serious, sober policy proposals. i heard a lot of policy proposals from him on how to fix the legal immigration problem. there are things some of them would chip away at the illegal immigration problem. i wish i had heard more from him. but i am happy with -- as a start. >> mr. mayor, mitt romney started his speech talking not about the immigration policy but the flagging economy. the economic downturn has hit if the economy does not approve by november, could that cost him a voting block, the obama campaign firmly believes this election could hinge on? >> first, let's be clear. he said the president's policies put 2 million latinos in poverty. actually, it's the opposite. 2 million latinos are out of poverty because of his policies. in addition to that, look, he wants to make this about the economy today. we're going to make it about the future. because we believe if we make investments in education and infrastructure and transportation, if we make investments that support and strengthen the middle class, that's good for the economy and it's good for america. my grandpa got here from mexico 100 years ago. he left a country that was rich and poor. we don't want to bring our country to that point. and i think -- speaking on immigration, by the way, "the new york times" said today that he was evasive and not answering the question. if he wants to propose a dream act now, he can do it. he can call on the congress to do what they should have done a long time ago. what 208 democrats did when they passed the dream act a while back. and what 51 democrats in the senate did. but he's not doing that. instead, he's engaging in equivocation as he's done throughout the campaign. he's talked about the deportation of 11 million people. that means dividing families. that means sending parents back and leaving their kids here. that's not the america we know and love. that's not the america that my grandpa came to 100 years ago. >> anna, the governor keeps talking about he'll have a long-term solution and president obama's is the short-term solution. president obama said this is a short-term solution. he would like one but in the interim they're doing this short-term solution. why shouldn't governor romney answer whether or not he would repeal it? there's no guarantee he could get a long-term solution through congress. >> i don't think there's any guarantee that either of them are going to get a long-term solution. i think obama has lost his best opportunity. if obama gets re-elected, he is a lame duck from day one it he's coming into a very polarized congress. he had a democratic majority his first two years. and he failed to act on immigration. i think what romney did today, anderson, was resist the trap -- >> you don't think it's a copout for romney just to say, well, i'm going to work on a long-term solution -- we all know why he's not going to answer whether or not he would repeal it because it politically puts him in a different spot, no? >> look, i think -- i think he's trying to walk a tight rope. but i also appreciate -- i appreciate that he's not coming to these latino events and pandering on immigration. i was at this same latino event when barack obama promised to do immigration reform in the first year of his presidency. that is pandering. not only did he not propose a plan, he hasn't led on it. he hasn't spoken about it. we haven't seen anything from him, other than more deportations. so i think mitt romney was not falling into the same trap. and he said that over and over again. basically, the bottom line is, hispanics on immigration, for those who are undocumented, those who are worried about the undocumented have two choices. either a guy who whispers sweet nothings into our ear. makes big promises every four years. and doesn't deliver anything but higher deportation. and a guy who does not make big promises. does not pander. and what he commits to are to work on it. i think hispanics would be well served to look at the entire picture and the entire package and all the other issues that are important to us. >> mayor, would you say to the president that his ruling last week was about politics? >> actually, governor romney has made different promises to different people. you were at most of the debates, cnn sponsored a number of them, where he called for the self-deportation of 11 million people. where he called chris coback the arizona and alabama laws a model for the nation. where he said that the dream act was a handout. today, he's moving his position a bit on a number of those issues. the best thing he could do to get this out of politics and out of the campaign is to call on speaker boehner and senator reid, to call a special session of the house, let's get the dream act passed. let's get comprehensive immigration passed. democrats and republicans work together to pass this and get it out of the campaign. >> mayor, appreciate you being on, anna navarro as well. we're following a just released video giving a new view. it shows george zimmerman literally walking police through the moments that led up to martin's death. this was shot the day after the shooting. will the re-enactment change any minds? 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