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Transcripts For CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 20120317



whether you agree with the verdict or not, justice was served in a new jersey courtroom where a jury convicted dharun ravi in the cyber bullying case we've been following more than a year now. ravi a former rutgers student use a webcam to spy on his roommate tyler clementi while way man. he tweeted about what he saw. days later which meantie killed himself. he was just 18 years old. ravi faces up to five years in prison. at time of the arrest, no law on the books making cyber bullying a crime. months after tyler clementi's suicide new jersey passed a cyber bullying law. they were able to convict him under a biased intimidation law instead. only 11 states currently have laws on the books criminalizing cyber bullying. only 11 states nap despite the fact bullying remain as huge problem. according to government statistics kids between 8 and 15 say bullying is a bigger problem for them than racism or pressure to have sex. the toll bullying takes on gay teens and kids is especially high. tiler clementi's father said thisser to ar the jury read its verdict. >> the trial was very difficult for to us listen to people talk about bad and inappropriate things done to their child. we were here every day, because we wanted to be here for our son and because we believed this trial was important, because it dealt with important issues for our society and for our young people today. >> i can only imagine how hard it must have been for the clementi family to sit through the trial nep, of course, are still grieving. if tyler were alive, a sophomore returning from campus from the spring break and studying for spring exams. ravi's lawyers tried to convince he was a college freshman with bad judgment back in the fall of 2010. they didn't buy it. ravi faces up to ten years in prison. his lawyers will appeal. the trial lasted ten weeks. the jury deliberated just over two weeks. >> guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> reporter: a clean sweep for the prosecution. da roone ravi guilty on all counts. he never took the stand on his own behalf, instead used the police interrogation video to prove he meant no harm highlighting he never recorded clementi nor put the encounter online. >> it was like, obvious that they -- being intimate or whatever, and like so we closed it immediately. and i just thought that like, really felt uncomfortable. >> reporter: ravi's defense argued he only turned on his camera because he didn't trust clementi's visitor and was worried about theft. >> the guy walked in, i was -- because he came in and i said, hey, and he didn't acknowledge me. just sat on the bed. on tyler's bed, and then, i left the room and i was -- a little creeped out and worried about what was happening. because i had other -- >> reporter: prosecutors paint add very different picture successfully arguing ravi targeted his roommate because of his sexual orientation setting up his dpurt spy on cla clementi and daring people to watch when asked to use the room privately a second time. perhaps devastating to ravi's claim he wasn't anti-gay, his friend and one-fooim co-defendant molly wei testified he was uncomfortable with clementi's sexuality. >> what was the defendant's reaction? how was he acting? >> um, just shocked, and kind of surprised at what he saw, freaking out a little. >> it doesn't say -- >> reporter: as evidence of intimidation, prosecutors hammered the jury with a tweet ravi set. "roommate asked for the room for the not. i saw him making out way dude. yeah." at the time clementi quickly aware of the tweet requested a room change and checked ravi's twitter feed dozens of times to see if more would follow. days later, the shy 18-year-old jumped off the george washington bridge. his last communication, a facebook post, jumping off the g.w. bridge. sorry. ravi wasn't charged with the death and defense said he acted childishly but isn't homophobic, texts sent the night he took his own life. i've known you were gay. i have no problem with it. one of my closest friends is gay and he and i have a close relationship pie suspect ud were shy why i never broached the topic. i don't want your freshman year ruined because of a petty misunderstanding. we don't know if tyler clementi ever saw that text. miguel marcus, cnn, new york. well, the jurors got the case on wednesday. they reached their verdict shortly before noon today. joining me exclusively, two members of that jury. thank you guys so much for being with us. bruno, are you satisfied by the verdict today? >> yeah, i'm very satisfied. i mean, it took a, four long, hard weeks, and when we were in the jury room for three days, i think we all pretty much were satisfied. >> the bias intimidation charge, you say it presented more difficulty than the others did. how so? >> there was just so many different levels. there was three different levels that can you actually see it being biased. >> uh-huh. >> then there was the whole thing where he did it one time the first day, and then we pretty much had to figure out whether or not he did it on purpose had to get inside his mind, to see if he actually did it intentionally with purpose of bias towards his roommate. >> do you think it would have been easier or harder if ravi had actually taken the stand? >> i think it would have been a little easier because we would have had the state of mind he had during the month of september. >> right. is it hard to -- i mean, just the process of coming to this decision, what was the hardest part? >> i believe the hardest part was actually proving that he was guilt if the certain charge, and actually getting the evidence that would prove him guilty on that charge. >> uh-huh. how about for you? >> same thing. it's -- i know for the first -- the first part when we came across the bias, there was some things that -- there wasn't enough evidence or enough witness statements to actually prove on certain points that he was, in fact, guilty. that's why you have the 24 and the 11 not guilties and the 24 guilties because we couldn't really on certain parts we really couldn't establish that as far as being, having a guilty verdict. >> we've all seen jurors working on television shows and stuff. what was it like in the jury room and how did you guys work together? >> want to answer that or you want me to answer it? >>y see it as instructed by the judge not to bring anything from the media actually brought a different perspective on it. at the same time i'm there, it's live testimony. i see the evidence, and not to hear any other media, what they feed me, it's a way different story, and i thought just being there was actually more helpful to come to the decision, because we all were on the same page, when we got into the room, and now it was time to dissect every charge and see where we stand. >> the majority of us were all brand up in it jury process. >> both had never been on a jury? >> both of us had never been. my first time. i enjoyed eed it. a lot of information. probably one of the highest thing us can do for your country as far as severing on jury duty. once we got to know who the original 16 were, we pretty much began to bond on you know, when we were downstairs on our breaks. we would get to know each other a little better and the process was easier. once we got into the jury room, it was down to business and time to figure out whether or not he was guilty or not. >> i appreciate your service and i appreciate you guys coming on to talk about it. thank you so much. really interesting to hear from you. sentencing for ravi set for may 21st. he faces up to ten years in prison and could face deportation to india where he ras born. the former prosecutor sunny hostin. were you surprised? >> i was. i've been following this case since day one. i actually was in the courtroom when the case first began, and i thought that it was going to be difficult to prove bias intimidation, because as these two jurors just said, the prosecution had to prove what his motivation was. what was in dharun ravi's mind, and that is a very difficult thing to do, and, also, you know, anderson, this is the first time, in my view that bias intimidation, hate crimes, have been prosecuted in this way. >> explain what biased intimidation is? >> sure. in new jersey, what they had to show was that rathdharun ravi io intimidate tyler clementi by spying on him. he was motivated by his bias, and intended to intimidate him because of his sexual orientation. they also could have proven 2 a different way. could have prove than he intended to intimidate and was biased against m.b., the person tyler clementi was with. what they did convict on, he was biased against tyler clementi and tyler clementi felt intimidated by him. just by going over it, you see how difficult that really is, because tyler clementi wasn't leer to testify. so the jury had to look at all the facts ux and they determined that tyler clementi felt intimidated because of his sexual orientation. this is the first time this type of statute has been used in this way. of course, now new jersey has this very, very robust cyber bullying law, but that wasn't what he was convicted of. he was convicting of a hate crime. and i think it really is a game changer in many respects, because this is a wake-up call to our young people, to anyone that uses social media, quite frankly, because now you when be held accountable for those words, for those hateful words that you use on the internet. >> do you think -- i mean, he could get up to ten years. do you think he will get that? >> in new jersey, when you get convicted of a second-degree crime, lie bias intimidation, a felony, there's a presumption that you should be sentenced to jail time. five to ten years. and 99%, i'm told, of defendants facing this presumption typically get put in prison. now, this judge has asked for a sentencing memorandum from the defense. if the defense can show more mitigating factors meaning he shouldn't be put in jail because he doesn't have a criminal record, been an upstanding citizen. if they can prove this, in the interestses ev es of justice, a non-custodial sentence, perhaps he won't go to prison. >> he could have accepted a plea deal, had no jail time. >> in retrospect, it's shocking that he didn't accept that plea deal. you're right. didn't include prison time and only included 600 hours ever community service. i believe it is likely having seen this judge in action, he will likely spend some time in prison. >> all right. sunny hostin, appreciate your perspective. let me know what you think. follow me on twitter. coming up, newt gingrich again, today, promised if he's elected president he will bring gas prices down to $2.50. blamed president obama for rising prices. can any president really do anything to affect prices at the pump? 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"political rhetoric is all it is 137 short of price controls which were disaster during the nixon administration, politics can't do much to change the price of gasoline." this from a bipartisan policy scholar who worked on energy policy in washington for more than 20 years. "obviously, the price ever oil set on a global market in the immediate term there's almost nothing you can do." even if there was a silver bullet to bring down gas price, quick fix, magic wand, whatever you call it, no presidential candidate has that bag of tricks up his sleeve, or in his bag, i guess. still in these times of painful prices at the gas pumps the message seems to be getting through to people even if nothing more than a gimmick a tried and true piece of campaign myth. in a cbs news/"new york times" poll last week, 54% think the president can do something about gas prices. joining me with two different perspective. is this rhetoric? >> pure political banter. the world consumes about 80 million barrels of oil a day. the total u.s. increase in production, if you were do to everything that newt gingrich fantasizes about, would be less than, you know, half a percent of that. so the chance that it would have any impact on the price of oil, particularly in the short run, is pure fantasy subpoena it's not just fant six but newt surely knows better. the truth of the matter is we are in the middle of a great boom in domestic oil production. we are at the highest levels in 30 years. the united states for the first time is actually exporting oil rather than importing oil, and it has made no difference to our prices. in fact, as we can see, oil prices have gone up. why? because, a., china is growing. india is growing. all that, all the growth we know about is taking place and, secondly, people are worried about a possible war with iran. geopolitical concerns. so these are not things that you can easily fix, you know. you're not going to get china to slow down or change the fact there are genuine concerns, and increasing american domestic production is such a marginal issue at this point that it's really totally irresponsible for newt gingrich to be saying this. >> stephen, you disagree? >> well, look, i agree in the short-term, farid eed is right. not much that can be done to reduce the high price of gasoline and fareed is also right that major reason we're seeing the spike right now is because of what's happening in the middle east. i agree with those two thing, but it's also true you know, this president has been completely hostile to domestic production of oil and gas. it is true we have a big increase, not because of barack obama. he's opposed the drilling, permitting we could do. you're right we've seen an increase, but i just got back from north dakota. what's going on there is a miracle. we have more oil right now in states like north dakota, oklahoma, colorado, california, than saudi arabia has oil, and i think the reason this is a political problem for the president is americans are connecting the dots. they're seeing the fact that we're not -- when we're not doing things that make so much common sense, like building the keystone pipeline, not doing the drilling, the permitting to exploit our own natural resources, americans understand. wait. that hits me in the pump. >> stephen is pointing out, all this oil is being drilled. in point of fact, whether or not the president is enthusiastic about what's happening over his grudging oh jebjections, we are the midst ever a huge oil boom and prices are rising. and keystone is a total red herring. the keystone oil is going to be excavated, produced, it is going to be used. it is going to be used by china or us. it makes not a jot of difference to the price of oil, because that oil will reach the world market. when we talk about this, yeah, maybe hypothetically, if there were a president who would green light every single project that stephen would like, maybe you'd, as i said, you'd increase production marginally. we have actually increased production substantially and it's not led to any decrease in price. there are geopolitical fears. >> do you agree he can bring it to $2.50 a gallon? >> yes. i've seen presidents do this. this is a hot button issue, anderson, because of the fact one of the reasons jim carter lost the election was because of very high gasoline prices a result of very high inflation. >> let me ask you

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