you're done in two minutes. you say to newt, what? >> what the hell are you doing? you believe -- you -- i expect this from sol olinsky. this is what he taught barack obama, and the stuff you're saying is one of the reasons we're in the trouble we're in right now. this total ignorant populist view of the economy that was proven to be incorrect with the soviet union, with chinese communism. >> also today, tom donahue, president of chamber of commerce called the front runner foolish, saying, quote, i was very disappointed with the intramural carrying on with the republican party. he also scolded gingrich and perry for attacking romney's record. >> it sounds as if you're attacking the capitalism and the free-market system. and that's not what we're about. to attack that, to me, is inconsistent with who we are. >> governor perry has dialed back his rhetoric. he was calling governor romney a vulture capitalist. he's not using that term anymore. that line of attack cost him the support of a prominent investor and south carolinian, barry wynn. he switched his support to romney. jon huntsman is still plugging away. >> when you have a candidate who talks about pink slips, who makes comments that seem to be so detached from the problems that americans are facing today, that makes you pretty much unelectable. >> that's governor huntsman. today in south carolina, keeping them honest, just a day ago at the university of south carolina, he was urging his fellow republicans to lay off bain capital and job cuts. he's quoted as saying, quote, if you have creative destruction in capitalism, which has also been a part of capitalism, it becomes a little engenious to take on bain capital, and the next day, he does. >> that's not an issue about the whole capitalist system. that's a question about a particular style of activity involving a particular person. remember, we're not talking about the system. we're talking about somebody who is running for president of the united states, and we're asking a question about his judgment, his values. the choices he made. >> so speaker gingrich is not backing down yet. either is the super pac supporting him. they're running an infomercial focusing on four companies after bain got them. >> cash rampage ultimately slashed jobs in nearly every job in the country, like popular children's toy seller kb toys. >> romney and bain bought the 80--year-old company in 2000, loaded them with millions in dent, and then used the money to add to bain's stock. by 2004, 365 stores have closed. romney called it creative destruction. >> keeping them honest, in 2000, when bain bought kb toys, mitt romney was already lawn long gone. he left in 1999 to run the salt lake city olympics. he was talking about capitalist in general, not the kb mess, not to say the job creation was bain or any private firm for that matter. they're in it to get the most return for their investors. that's how it works, and themselves. and often that means handing out pink slips. joining me are james carville and bay buchanan. >> would you tell them to knock it off? >> i would try to. 2008 was awfully tepid, i like you well enough, hillary, compared to this. this is pretty even by any standard. this is pretty rough stuff going on. >> bay, you said the romney camp expected to get hit on this topic. did you expect it from your own side? >> no, not from our own side. we expected the left would raise it in the general election and come after us. to have a conservative, someone who claimed to be the conservative in the race to be coming after us by basically joining the war against capitalism and attacking mitt romney for his private sector successes is amazing. >> we have already seen, james, one big perry backer jump over to the romney side over these attacks. could this work in romney's favor? >> i don't think so. i think the next is going to be calling romney to release the government help that bain got. he's going to see a lot of subsidies that they got, tax credits, and they were pretty aggressive in lobbying this. the idea that he was a pure capitalist is not going to match up with the facts. >> romney talks more about his job creation at bain more than his job as governor of massachusetts, but bain is in the profit making business. their job at bain is to give an above-average return to their investors. was it a mistake to make job creation the message out of his time at bain? >> no, because what they focused on was two areas, entrepreneurs had ideas they thought they could launch into big businesses. they would and to bain and need the funding. it was the funding that helped them get started like staples and sports authorities. likewise, struggling companies would go to them, say we're having trouble. can you help us out? they would come in, may have to do remanagement, reanalyze. they could make a sicksis out of the business. they only invested when they thought they could turn businesses around or have some future, give them some real future. so it's about creating jobs if they were successful. it wasn't always successful, but most of the time, it was. >> james, do you buy that argument? if you look at the perspective for bain or any of the private equity funds, you know, if you're thinking about investing in a private equity fund, you don't go into it because you're going to create jobs. you're going to get an above average return. >> he got good returns for investors and knows how to manage money, but he put job creation at issue. if you put job creation at issue, you can't be petulant and wine about the fact that people are destructing that issue. bain is going to cause romney pain, no doubt about it. he put it forward and put job creation as opposed to profit creation at issue. you can't take one side. you have to get both sides. >> what about releasing records? it's a privately held company. they don't have to release this stuff. it's hard to know what is correct and what is true. he said he created 100,000 jobs. when you look at the numbers, they don't really add up. >> if you look at four of the big companies that really did well that he's involved in, sports authority, you look up the others, the other three out there, children's center. you can see, staples, you can see, go right into the records. they're all public and add it up. >> jobs were created many years after bain stopped being involved. and it's net 100,000 jobs compared to the jobs lost. you have no way of knowing that. >> in his numbers, he says because of what we did, this is what happened. and he acknowledges many of the jobs have been created since he left. but if you don't have people who will help fund these companies struggling or new ideas, you're not going to create jobs. it's what the private sector is all about. free market. he's been enormously successful. the record shows it. >> you know what sarah palin said, more transparency. >> she said he should release his income taxes. the only candidate in modern times who refused to do that. maybe they have a good reason to do that, ronald reagan released his tax returns. why won't mitt romney? >> it's a personal decision on his part. it's not required and he's chosen not to. >> transparency, he won't be transparent about sarah palin said he should, and she said he should be more transparent about bain. isn'theroine over there? >> what she says is fine, she's entitled to it. if you look at the companies we're talking about, the record is public. even obama's own adviser said there's no question he created jobs. that's something the president of the united states has not been able to do. >> he refuses to be transparent about that. just as he refuses to be transparent on the tax returns. don't attack president obama for not being transparent. >> i think the key here is who can really come into the white house, turn this country around, create the kind of jobs, have the knowledge, the expertise and leadership to really turn the country around? obama has failed miserably, and the record of mitt romney is enormously -- an enormous success. >> james, how much joy does it give you to use sarah palin's argument in your favor? >> honestly, a lot. >> i can tell. >> i couldn't wait for you to bring it up. >> james carville, thank you. bay buchanan, thank you. he did seem to be glowing. we're on facebook, google, and add me to twitter. i'm tweeting this evenening. up next, another iranian nuclear scientist killed, apparently assassinated. who is killing these guys off? iran is blaming the united states and israel. we'll talk with fred townsend. >> also, this gets deeper. 199 pardons, four released before a judge stops it. now the four are missing. could soon be the subject of a nationwide man hunt. the latest on a real mess. >> and later, the second anniversary of the haiti earthquake. we return there to look for progress and the lack of progress. we'll also check in with iesha and see what he's doing. >> one day after a french journalist was killed in syria, our nic robertson said the blame game of who is responsible has begun. he was on the scene before it happened. we'll have the latest from there when 360 continues. this is an rc robotic claw. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. our science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller. over the last three years we've put nearly 100 million dollars into american education. that's thousands of kids learning to love science. ♪ isn't that cool? 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>> absolutely. you've taken out four key players in the iran nuclear program and managed to intimidate the whole body of the iranian nuclear infrastructure who will all be frightened that they're going to be targeted next. >> so who do you think is behind this? >> well, you know, look, you have to -- we tend to report things as they happen, right? you report incidents, journalists. but look at the larger context. go back to the plot, the iranian plot to kill the saudi ambassador here in the united states. we've recently just this week the iranians have convicted an american from michigan accusing him as a spy and sentencing him to his death. >> former marine who his family says was visiting his grandmothers in iran. >> in the meantime, the u.s. navy has fished several -- at least a dozen iranian sailors out of the arabian gulf. and so what you see is this increasing tension, right? there's a whole series of these activities. it's not clear to us who's responsible or if they're related. but i must tell you, in the world of foreign policy and national security, this is exactly the sort of -- as you put it cloak and dagger. it's a chess game. there are moves and counter moves. the most important piece to this is you hope in this game of chess that one side or the other doesn't overreact. >> bob, what do you think? we're talking about a magnetized bomb placed on a car by a moving motorcycle. this is stuff out of movies. >> it's complicated. especially in a city like tehran. the police are everywhere. it's an authoritarian regime. this is very hard to do, it's very hard to train somebody reliably to put a bomb like that, get away, not get caught, and i could go on and on and on. it's a very complicated operation. it suggests the state was behind it or a very, very capable group. i myself think it was some sort of dissident group, perhaps at the behest of israel. i know it's not the united states, there is no lethal finding against iran, that kind of operation would leak out and we wouldn't get these kind of denials that we've gotten out of the administration today. >> bob, i think back to -- remember, i think it was a hit on a -- i can't remember who the hit was on, but i think it was by a number of israelis in dubai that was videotaped from all different angles as they came into the country and came into the hotel and viewed as a fiasco of an operation. this would be an even more complicated operation as you said, i mean tehran, there are police everywhere. there are people watching everything. i walked out of my hotel without a government minder, i got arrested within half an hour in tehran and held for four days. the idea that -- >> i did too. i did too. i was there a couple of years ago. they stopped me every couple of blocks and issued us an i.d. card that was very sophisticated. you just can't wander around that town. it was clearly iranians who did this. >> the idea that the cia could get operative into iran to do an operation like this, which would involve many people, i find hard to imagine. >> now what i think it is is a provocation. the iranian nuclear program will go on. it's obviously hurt by this. people are scared, intimidated. it's a humiliation to iran, and i'm afraid of this leadership in their attempt, a couple other things, the arrest of an fbi agent, of their overreacting, and i agree totally with fran. we could see an escalation that looks very much like a war very quickly. >> escalation is a concern? >> yes, absolutely. and that's why it's not clear to us looking from the outside whether or not which of these are related and who the actors are. but the problem with that is as the tensions rise, the -- the opportunity for an overreaction which could then result in an overt war increases. and so it's a pretty dangerous cat and mouse game that's going on here. it looks like the united states is trying to take some of the tension out by the rescue of the iranian sailors. but a lot of this will have to do with how do they treat especially this young man -- this former marine from michigan? >> and bob, if a group like -- if the secret service in israel was wanting to do something with this, they wouldn't necessarily use israeli nationals, they would use agents, they would use people who they had recruited who could operate in tehran. >> they would use proxies, absolutely. it's too dangerous, they couldn't afford to get one of their own people. an officer caught there arrested tried the whole thing. they wouldn't do it. they won't take that risk. and remember, we see some of the israeli operations, like in dubai, which was a fiasco for the israelis because they were filmed. and then you have other groups like the israeli military intelligence that, you know, when they sort of come after you, they get you. >> it's fascinating stuff. bob baer, thank you fran townsend, as well. we'll continue to monitor this. coming up, four convicted murderers released from prison in mississippi. they were among 199 criminals pardoned by haley barbour in his last days in office. now the state attorney general is threatening a nationwide man hunt to find a number of them they can't find. we'll get a live update next. also a french journalist killed in syria, now france wants answers from the government. what we found in haiti two years after the devastating earthquake. >> there would have been a tent here before. >> yeah, in a space this size, as many as 15 people would have been sharing it, sleeping in shifts. >> this to you is a sign of progress? 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>> reporter: it doesn't appear to be possible, anderson at this point. and believe me, every legal mind in the attorney general's office has been mulling that over today. how do they bring these men in if they can't really charge them with anything? they have been pardoned of any previous crime. so that is the real problem, that's the real quandary that officials have been going through. they have been trying to figure that out because what they have to do is they've got to serve this court order. how do you serve it if you can't find them? and they can't get them to call in if they haven't been served. it's a catch 22 that goes round and round. >> explain what these men were serving