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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 December 10, 2011



risks becoming mundane. a murder that doesn't even make headlines anymore. that should not be. so tonight we're leading off this broadcast with video of the death of this little boy. now some of you will say we should not show you this video. i understand that. it is sickening. it is hard to watch. it is horrific. but we believe what is even more horrific is dying in silence. murder that is then covered up by lies. lies from a dictator who says it isn't happening, a dictator who says we're not pulling the trigger on sniper rifle that's kill children. we're not shooting on funerals. he says it's not happening and yet every day in hundreds of homemade videos we see it happening. you will see it happening tonight. the little boy's only crime it seems was being at home in syria in the middle of a war being waged by a brutal dictator against his own people. a dictator who in the face of evidence that grows daily continues to die ni everything. >> we don't feel our people are being killed and no government in the world kill its people unless it's a crazy person. became president because of the public support. it's impossible for anyone in this state to be ordered to kill. >> he became president because his daddy was president before him. syria's dictator was talking to abc's barbara walters denying what by now is obvious around the world. syrian troops, security force ands secret police are killing people every single day. according to the u.n.'s top investigators, they have killed more than 300 children since this uprising began. 56 last month alone. many more in the last week or so. and several today including apparently huse sany upstairs in his house in the surrounded city. again a warning. this very tough to take. >> a sniper bullet hit 8-year-old child, he's saying. he was at home and got hit. he then points to a bullet hole. the bullet came through the window. he then begins to show you bloodstains. we cannot aid the child, he says. we do not know where to take him because of the firing on the building and in the streets. three others were wounded, he tells us, following the bloodstains down several flights of stairs. he continues talking on the way down saying things like we're not safe. this government is murderous. it is killing people. it is killing its own people. we then see who's blood this is. we see his body. the street it s. too dangerous even for a funeral. we can't say for person who pulled the trigger on the rival that killed this child. some opposition forces are arming themselves to fight the government. syria won't let outside reporters into the country, won't let international observers in to document what is truly happening there. also from today, there is more video, video that captures the stress and panic of mourners and worshippers inside a mosque. they're part of a funeral processi procession, procession that is blg sh being shot at by security forces. can you hear the gunfire when the videotape starts. you can hear the terror inside. [ gunfire ] shooting at funerals, he's saying. they're shooting at funerals, raiding the neighborhood. the army and security forces are raiding the neighborhood. then moments laider, bodies from the funeral are rushed inside the building. three bodies come through the door. two men first carried on the shoulders of mourners, some themselves wounded and bloody. then a third body is brought in, a boy. he is parentally just 12 years old. earlier i spoke with an opposition member of who has been our eyes and ears inside syria throughout the uprising because of our continued requests for visas are deniedment for his protection, we're only using his first name. i also spoke with a woman, a pbs reporter who spent two weeks undercover in syria in september and shared her story in a front line documentary. yet again we're seeing video of children who have been shot to death in syria. when you hear the government of syria, the regime of syria saying they're not killing people, that they're not willing innocent people and they're not ordering the deaths of any people, how can they say that when we constantly are seeing she's videos? >> well, they keep lying and lying until they believe what they lie about. i don't know. i mean i don't know if they believe it or not, but the killing is happening on a daily basis. and we is see in front of us today we lost seven children. two women amongst 45 killed today. and the worst is the funeral in one of the i can, another kid was shot. and if they really say that these videos are fake, then let the media go in and let us see if this is real or not. everybody knows that the regime is doing systemic killing on a daily basis. you can also measure it from the number of people killed. they want today, every day 30 to 40 people dead. and we hear the same figure on daily basis, between 30 and 40 people killed on daily basis. as if there is a clear, you know, command, kill between 30 and 40 people every day. this is what happens. >> you were able to get into syria. you saw for yourself with your own eyes what is happening there. can you describe what life is like on a daily basis now? >> people are terrified and a lot of the towns outside syria, the economy has ground to a stand still. there are daily violence house-to-house raids. activists and protesters too scared to leave their houses during the day. so they live life on the run. they're living in safe house -- moving from safe house to safe house. life is not as normal. in fact, it feels like wartime era there. >> and when you hear this syrian leader, the dictator of syria saying we're not ordering the deaths of people. there are no house-to-house searches. people are not being arrested and killed in homes, what do you think? you've seen it for yourself. >> yeah. i mean on some level it's quite laughable. i was watching an interview and i was laughing at the same time screaming at the television because of course what is happening there is absolutely undeniable. it's all around you. you can't escape it. it's impossible for somebody to be a member of the government and not know that these killings are happening and of course not just killings but the detention of thousands and thousands. and the torture of thousands. >> president assad said this week to barbara walters that it's impossible for someone in the syrian government to give an order to kill people. how do you respond to that? >> i can just say, i mean, he has all authority in syria. and he has full responsibility for what is going on. when they say that there is no electric tour, just a few days ago my friend came out of a jail because of demonstrating petitionfully. he was crucified for one full night. he was crucified for one full night. >> when you say crucified -- what do you mean? >> yesterday was about -- i received a call from my family do not try even to do so because the village is being raided right now. and they arrested thsh arrested 20 people. and they burned bikes just like that. i mean these people are -- i don't know why. and the entire city is just occupied. you cannot cross in unless you go through four or five checkpoints from every entrance of the city. the question is, is this all done without the president knowing about it? this sun believable. no one can believe that. >> dara is where the demonstrations began. at the time it initially was not calling for the overthrew of the regime. they were not calling for the ouster of assad. it was only after he cracked down and started killing people that that became the rallying cry. but seyria is saying the government surrounded the city and that the military issued a 72-hour deadline for people to stop protesting and a lot of people there fear a mass carr. what massacre. what is going on? >> well, everything is about this regime. my information says that this city which is the biggest city in syria which has from all relinl yonz, from all sects, you have muslims, christians, you have orthodox, catholics, you have sunni, shia, everybody. okay? this it is ji well known for co-existence. people live with each other for centuries without any sensitiviti sensitivities. unfortunately, the regime is dragging people over there for some sort of sectarian, i don't know, conflict or more than that even. so i can believe everything now. my information says that the local authorities and they are doing the daily killing without doing anything so that you -- >> that is the government militia. >> zadoun, i appreciate you joining us again. please stay safe. ramida, thank you so much, appreciate it. >> you're welcome, anderson. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> well, let us know what you think about the killings in syria. we're on facebook, google plus or follow us on twitter. up next, is a high-tech american stealth drone in the hands of iran? 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[ male announcer ] take action. take advil®. welcome back. tracking the evolving story of what became of an american drone like this one. it's called an rq 170 sentinel. it is also known as the beast of kandahar. reports are that it was orbiting over osama bin laden's compound while the stealth technology made it invisible to pakistani radar. tonight that technology may be in the hands iran. they tracked one last week as it flew across the afghan border deep into iran. then they say they brought it down mostly in one piece and this, they say, is it. you can see it. it looks more like it landed than it actually crashed. doesn't look like there search damage. is it for real? the experts differ. was it spying on iran? especially iran's nuclear program? american officials are not saying. but as we said, their story is evolving. >> the u.s., you see the nato alliance in afghanistan to issue a statement is only saying, "the uav to which the iranians are referring may be a u.s. unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western afghanistan late last week." the operators of the uav lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status. that according to the statement. >> that is barbara starr on sunday. the drone in afghanistan. by tuesday, for inside sources were telling a different story. >> the u.s. stealth drone that crashed in iran last week after the u.s. lost control of it was part of a cia reconnaissance mission using both cia and military personnel. two officials have now told cnn. confirming also it was an rq-170, the stealth drone that is so important to the cia. no one will say whether the drone was actually flying over ireyiranian airspace. the u.s. did consider a mission to recover the wreckage or bomb it to keep it out of the hands of the iranians. that's how important it was. but all those options were discarded because it was inside iran. the question now, of course, is if iranians have their hands on the wreckage which the u.s. believes they do, what do they really have? how intact is it? >> well, so now the drone is acknowledged to be a stealth grown. the question, is it a pile of wreckage or in one piece? here was the answer at 10:00 this morning. >> and one u.s. officials says they have satellite footage of that crash site and it shows that the drone suffered significant damage. >> that is chris lawrence from the pentagon this morning. significant damage. but now listen to the state department briefing just a couple hours later. >> press tv has paraded what they claim is your drone or an american drone that appears to be intact. do you have any comment on that? >> i do not. >> well, that's where we stand tonight. some of america's most carefully guarded stealth technology possibly now in the hands of an adversary which become many cold war. more than half a century ago, the soviet union put pieces of an american spy plane, the u-2 on display. state of the art technology back then. but also like today, the story of how he went down evolved and it took a while to learn the whole truth. earlier to night i talked about what the iranians may have and what its mission might have been with former cia officer and time.com intelligence columnist robert bear. also fareed zakaria. >> do you think the drone shown on iranian tv is the real thing? >> i think it absolutely is. i mean it's not something that they could imitate and fake this thing. i think what happened is it was either forced down by hacking or in fact landed these drones have a programmable to land on flat ground. there is no evidence of damage though. that's my question. >> so you think the iranians actually hacked into the system? >> there's a possibility they did. you know, washington has denied it thus far. they can hack into these things and order them to land. they can override american controls. >> this is kind of a glimpse of if in fact this is a real drone and they did hack it or bring it down somehow. this is just a glimpse into what is basically a stealth war, covert war between the u.s. and iran, isn't it? >> absolutely. this is something we sometimes forget. the united states is very actively engaged in cohort operations against iran. the drones are one part of it. they are also funding some groups that operate on iran's borders. the other sense in which, anderson, this is a glimpse of the future perhaps is iran is using asystem et rickal warfare to bring down america's advantages so they can't build a drone. but they figured out a way to hack into the system and bring down the drone. i agree with robert. i'm clear what happened. because it does not seem to be significant damage, there is at least a decent chance that what happened is that the iranians figured out some way to do this. and that's a very interesting example of this warfare. it's what the chinese study when they look at how to do battle with us. it's what the iranians are studying. >> there is also, bob, been hacking of -- by some whether it's the u.s. or israel or someone else of iranian nuclear facilities. in fact, iranian nuclear scientists, some of them have been killed in the streets in iran, haven't they? >> yeah, i think this undoubtedly the israelis, the united states is not waging a lethal war against iran right now. there's no authority for it. if there were, we would have seen leaks of this. i think it's our best guess is it's the israelis. but in the iranian's eyes, we're allied with them and we may as well be responsible. i think fareed is right. we're seeing this shadow war starting to escalate. and in a serious way. >> if iran does, in fact, have the u.s. drone from an intelligence standpoint, how bad is that? somebody compared it to dropping a ferrari in an ox cart culture, saying iran doesn't know what to do with it. do you agree? >> not at all. remember, this is a fairly advanced country. this is an advanced society. it is 90 million people. they are producing centrifuges by the dozens. they are, you know, moving on a nuclear program. the drone is also very advance the technology that they would be very interested in. it's very recent. i think it was unveiled in 2009. this is a big deal. i think i'd be interested to know what bob thinks. it strikes me that this exposes very vulnerable, very new american technology. also remember, the iranians have something that chinese and russians want. and there are various ways they can share it with plausible deniability. they can do photographs or blueprints. to all of a sudden they have something that the russians and the chinese want. so guess what? the next time there are u.n. security council sanctions the russians have something, interesting conversations with the iranians. >> bob, do you agree with that? this is technology that iranians might share with the russians and chinese? >> oh, absolutely. i mean if the iranians themselves can't get into this and figure out how it works, they'll invite the chinese in from one of the companies. they'll look at it. and this is extremely damaging because this drone had, you know, thermal imaging cameras. the resolution on the photography is very, very good. and as we know, it's the same drone that was used to surveil bin laden's compound before the raid. it plays a key role in collecting intelligence as it does against iranian nuclear facilities. >> so, bob, they don't have this drone technology already? >> not this good, no. i mean we truly are at the best. we've been working at it for ten years. it's been a key element and over the tribal areas of pakistan. i think this is another intelligence catastrophe. >> the drones have really impacted the battlefield in pakistan and afghanistan and elsewhere. >> i think one forgets that terrorist organizations, you know, they're very small groups with leaders who are absolutely crucial. and what the drone is able to do is to exploit that disadvantage that terrorist organizations have. so you can target a few key people with a drone. and the drones are gotten increasingly accurate. you have enormous advantages because can you disrupt the entire organization. and that's really what the war against al qaeda has been a war against the senior leadership using drones. and so the drone is -- you can't underestimate the importance of it. and this is one of the unique weapons in america's arsenal. the chinese don't visit. the russians don't have it. to the best of our knowledge, nobody in the world has something like this. >> bob bear, fareed zakaria, thanks very much. >> well, one other note about iran, there is released video showing a man named robert levenson who disappeared in iran nearly five years ago. his family says they received this video last year. this is the first publicly known evidence that he's alive. it seems like he is being held. the obama administration says the government is still working to bring him home safely. it's unclear, at least to us, or publicly it's unclear who is holding him or where he's being held. a u.s. official sells cnn that one e-mail sent by captors to his family is believed to have originated in internet cafes in pakistan or afghanistan. the suspected gunman in yesterday's deadly virginia tech shooting is identified by police. we have the latest on the investigation. also tonight, driving while distracted. a new study that shows how dangerous it can be on the roadways while the texti

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